Strapped, I'm going to put this as plainly as I can. First of all, I respect that SC and his clients believe in what they are doing so passionately. That's very admirable. Do SC's methods work for most people? Based on the number of satisfied clients he has under his belt, I'd say that is unquestionable - a fact, even. However, are there other weight loss/mass gaining methods that work equally as well? Based on the number of people who have achieved incredible physiques using techniques that in no way resemble SC's programs, I'd say that assertion is equally unassailable - also a fact. As I said, I admire that SC and many of his clients believe in what they are doing so vehemently. What I have a problem with is that many of you act as if there is no other way of doing things. That's simply not true. You are free to post your opinions. You are free to debate your opinions with passion. What you are not free to do (at least on my forums) is tell people that any ideals counter to SC's teachings are flat out wrong. Again, that's simply not true, and frankly I'm tired of the overt disdain some of you have shown towards people who have opinions that differ from your own. IT STOPS NOW. SC felt he could no longer post here because he was tired of having his beliefs challenged. That's too bad, but I respect his choice. If you or anyone else can not engage in debate without resorting to blanket statements and name-calling ("I'm right and you are wrong", "What you are doing is moronic", "If you don't agree with me then you are just creating confusion", et. al.) then I suggest you follow SC's lead and stop posting on these forums. My forum welcomes all opinions. Opinions are debated, and the people reading the debates get to digest the arguments and make up their own minds. As much as I like SC on a personal level and respect what he's done, I'm not going to allow him, or you, or anyone else to tell me how to run my forums. One line summary: play nice or get off my court.