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Life Without Artificial Sweeteners

Discussion in 'Nutrition & Supplements' started by DeliaJohnson, Jan 23, 2008.

  1. DeliaJohnson

    DeliaJohnson Active Member

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    they have added a warning label to my favorite artificial sweetener that says "this may cause cancer" that is eerily similar to the warnings that you see on packs of cigarettes.

    this was enough to stop me in my tracks and start me thinking about artificial sweeteners. my father has just finished a year of treatment for stage IIIa lung cancer after ignoring those warnings for years on packs of cigarettes.

    i'm an artificial sweetener abuser. i will have anywhere from 16-30 packets per day in everything from coffee to oatmeal. there is a huge history of cancer in my family. i think i have to do this for my health.

    i'm not so worried about going off the artificial sweeteners. over the past six months i've made myself like foods i hated like oatmeal, cottage cheese, and eggs. i can learn to enjoy bitter coffee and the like. but what i am concerned about is how much of this stuff is in all my lovely SF products like ketchup, pancake syrup (for my protein pancakes), etc.

    so, has anyone else gone off artificial sweeteners completely? have you switched to regular condiments in moderation? success? failure?
     
  2. Robert2006

    Robert2006 Active Member

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    I've never touched them. I use sugar and honey. Not a lot but some. Over my total calorie intake the sugar in my coffee isn't much more then a rounding error.

    If you really do need 15 sugars a day take them into account with your other intakes. OTOH 15-30 packets a day?
     
  3. Flows

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    :eek::eek:

    I don't know how dangerous they are, but that many can't be good. If you wean yourself off of sugars and sweeteners, you will no longer crave them. The cravings will go away as time passes.
     
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  5. DeliaJohnson

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    yeah, i know. 6 in my 12 oz. daily cup of coffee, 4 in 1/2 cup of cottage cheese, 4-6 in a 12 oz. cup of tea, etc... strangely enough, i'm not worried about going cold turkey on them at all. i'm more concerned with keeping my condiment calories in line!

    i just looked at my bottle of OneCarb ketchup and it has sucralose in it. :( for 3 oz. of hamburger, i can easily use 2 tbs of ketchup-- that's 50 cals!:eek: somehow i'm perfectly willing to spend those cals on 2 hershey kisses, but for ketchup.....:no:
     
  6. DeliaJohnson

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    you're the first person i've seen who's said they use sugar. everyone else talks about it like it's: :evil: incarnate.

    i don't think i need the sugar in the things i've been adding it to. i think i can do this cold turkey and get myself used to the way things taste w/o sugar or sugar subs.

    looking at all the stuff i eat, i'm absolutely amazed by the amount of fake sugar in everything. there goes my low cal ketchup, sf pancake syrup, trident...
     
  7. Flows

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    I love ketchup. It has Lycopene! :nod:. It also has sugar and salt :(.
    Oh well. I still love it on my eggs.
     
  8. JoeSchmo

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    You are probably referring to saccharine -- and yeah, if you are a lab rat who eats pounds and pounds of it per day, then perhaps you might have increased risk for bladder cancer. But in a way though, that is kind of like saying chocolate chip cookies are poison because eating 50 pounds of them per day causes heart disease. These early rat studies that seemingly found a link between saccharine and bladder cancer have since been discredited and deemed inapplicable to human physiology. There has been no link between saccharine usage in humans and cancer. Don't believe all the conspiracy websites and mass hysteria that fuels this artificial sweetener paranoia.
     
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    Normal sugar is just fine -- as long as you aren't consuming it in mass quantities, I wouldn't worry about it.
     
  10. RTE

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    Which sweetner are you taking about? In what country?
     
  11. DeliaJohnson

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    Wegmans Store Brand Saccharin (next to the Sweet n' Low packets). in the USA.
     
  12. JoeSchmo

    JoeSchmo Well-Known Member

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    That is odd -- Because the research suggesting saccharin causes cancer was flawed, the law requiring saccharine products to carry that label have since been repealed. Makes me wonder how long that stuff has been sitting on the shelf if it still carries the label!

    BTW, sweet n' low is saccharin.
     
  13. RTE

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    Saccharin

    Studies in laboratory rats during the early 1970s linked saccharin with the development of bladder cancer. For this reason, Congress mandated that further studies of saccharin be performed and required that all food containing saccharin bear the following warning label: "Use of this product may be hazardous to your health. This product contains saccharin, which has been determined to cause cancer in laboratory animals." Subsequent studies in rats showed an increased incidence of urinary bladder cancer at high doses of saccharin consumption, especially in male rats. However, mechanistic studies (studies that examine how a substance works in the body) have shown that these results apply only to rats. Human epidemiology studies (studies of patterns, causes, and control of diseases in groups of people) have shown no consistent evidence that saccharin is associated with bladder cancer incidence.

    Because the bladder tumors seen in rats are due to a mechanism not relevant to humans, and because there is no clear evidence that saccharin causes cancer in humans, saccharin was delisted in 2000 from the U.S. National Toxicology Program's Report on Carcinogens , where it had been listed since 1981 as a substance reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen (a substance known to cause cancer). More information about the delisting of saccharin is available at http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/roc/eleventh/append/appb.pdf on the Internet. The delisting led to legislation, which was signed into law on December 21, 2000, repealing the warning label requirement for products containing saccharin.

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    Use splenda products and keep numbers below 75 packets a day

    Sucralose has been accepted by several national and international food safety regulatory bodies, including the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Joint Food and Agriculture Organization/World Health Organization Expert Committee on Food Additives, The European Union's Scientific Committee on Food, Health Protection Branch of Health and Welfare Canada and Food Standards Australia-New Zealand (FSANZ). According to the Canadian Diabetes Association, one can consume 15 mg/kg/day of Sucralose "on a daily basis over a ... lifetime without any adverse effects".[10] For a 150 lb person, 15 mg/kg is about 1000 mg, equivalent to about 75 packets of Splenda or the sweetness of 612 gm or 2500 kcal of sugar.

    “In determining the safety of sucralose, the FDA reviewed data from more than 110 studies in humans and animals. Many of the studies were designed to identify possible toxic effects including carcinogenic, reproductive and neurological effects. No such effects were found, and FDA's approval is based on the finding that sucralose is safe for human consumption.”[11] For example, McNeil Nutritional LLC studies submitted as part of its U.S. FDA Food Additive Petition 7A3987, indicated that "in the 2-year rodent bioassays...there was no evidence of carcinogenic activity for either sucralose or its hydrolysis products...."[12]

    After FDA approval, a study published in the Journal of Head and Face Pain reported sucralose as a possible trigger for migraine patients.[13] Another study published in the Journal of Mutation Research linked high doses (2000 mg per kg; equal to 10,000 packets per day for the 150 lb person in the above example) of sucralose to DNA damage in mice.[14]

    Concerns have been raised about the effect of sucralose on the thymus, an organ that is important to the immune system. A report from NICNAS cites two studies on rats, both of which found "a significant decrease in mean thymus weight" at a certain dose.[15] The sucralose dosages which caused the thymus gland effects referenced in the NICNAS report was 3000 mg/kg bw/day for 28 days. For an 80 kg (176 lb) human, this would mean a 28-day intake of 240 grams of sucralose, which is equivalent to more than 20,000 individual Splenda packets/day for approximately one month. The dose required to provoke any immunological response was 750 mg/kg bw/day,[16] or 60 grams of sucralose per day, which is more than 5,000 Splenda packets/day (there are 11.9 mg of sucralose in a 1g retail packet of Splenda). These and other studies were considered by regulators before concluding that sucralose was safe. However, because some ingested sucralose is broken down and absorbed by the body there is concern that chronic consumption may lead to thymus shrinkage or other side-effects.

    The bulk of sucralose ingested does not leave the gastrointestinal tract and is directly excreted in the feces while 11-27% of it is absorbed.[2] The amount that is absorbed from the GI tract is largely removed from the blood stream by the kidneys and excreted in the urine with 20-30% of the absorbed sucralose being metabolized.[2] Sucralose is digestible by a number of microorganisms and is broken down once released into the environment.[citation needed]

    Splenda usually contains 95% dextrose (the "right-handed" isomer of glucose - see dextrorotation and chirality), which the body readily metabolizes. The safety information that many specialists and the media give to consumers is that Splenda is safe to ingest as a diabetic sugar substitute "free of problems".
     
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    Thanks so much for that link Rtestes!!!

    Hey Delia... you are not alone. I'm using on average 15 Splendas a day too :evil:
     
  15. zkat

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    I have been able to give up artificial sweeteners. I still crave a diet Dr. Pepper from time to time and I was not a big soda drinker before I gave them up (maybe one a day)

    The trick is to find alternatives and figure them into your daily calorie intake. I use Sugar in the raw (sweeter than white sugar and has several micronutrients and minerals that refined sugar is missing), agave nectar and honey. I also use fruit. When I used to eat cottage cheese, I would mix it with pineapples. For pancakes or waffles, I would heat blueberries or blackberries with a little bit of agave nectar and a touch of water-better than syrup!

    We use mostly organic condiments, and they are HFCS and artificial sweetener free.

    It can be done, but in today's world it is not easy. Best of luck to you.
     
  16. DeliaJohnson

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    humm... that's what the person below said, too. :confused: how long has that stuff been on the shelf?! maybe i've cleaned the store out and they're down to the old boxes. :lol:

    i used 2 tablespoons of real sugar today that cost me 65 cals according to fitday.com.

    i'm actually a little freaked out by all the stuff i'm reading about how much *sweeter* all these subs are. :eek: what have i been eating/drinking?!l

    i can tell that my cottage cheese and my coffee weren't as sweet as "normal", but i got used to the way both of them tasted with less, *real*, sugar than more fake sugar after the first few bites.

    at the very least, this will be an interesting experiment for me....
     
  17. DeliaJohnson

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    that's so funny.. back in 2004, i gave up soda for a year, hoping it would make me drink more water (i just drank oj instead:doh:!) but when i started having sodas again, i only wanted sprite and diet cherry vanilla dr. pepper-- and i never liked sprite or dr. pepper before!

    even now, i find that i taste cola more because i didn't have it for so long and i don't drink it regularly now-- like you, maybe one a day or one every other day. i used to be a diet coke girl, and now i can't stand the stuff. i'll take water w. lemon over that any day. but get me near a diet cherry vanilla dr. pepper..... mmmm.:drool:
     
  18. kree-kree

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    count me in as well...plus I'm a diet coke girl!!! I figure when I die I'll be the most preserved body 6 feet under. I am trying and have made huge strides of decreasing the diet coke (on most days).
     

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