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I think any questions that refer to Steroids should be deleted.

Discussion in 'Technical' started by QuikZ06, Dec 16, 2004.

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  1. QuikZ06

    QuikZ06 Well-Known Member

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    And I think the person should be warned. Then banned on the second offense. On of the main reasons I come here is because it is Vitamin S free.
     
  2. Bluestreak

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    I'd rather not get into a philosophical debate, but there is always the option to skip the thread, just as a radio has a dial and a TV can change channels, you can choose the content you read.

    As long as the discussion remains within the confines of good manners and the rules of the forum, there's no harm. It's a fact of life - it's part of what we do, even if I (we) don't use them, others do. This forum is meant to be educational and inspirational in nature. You can't simply ignore a facet of training that some people are curious about. Yes, they can go other places to find more comprehensive information, but that's not the point. The point is, that though we don't advocate its use, we can't ignore its existence.

    I can't help but think that deleting a perfectly harmonious discussion, even if the topic is offensive to you, me or any other one person undermines more of what we here in the JSF community believe more so than the topic itself.
     
  3. John Stone

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    I don't know what you mean when you say this is a "Vitamin S-free" board. While I don't personally use or support the use of steroids, I'm not going to tell people they can't use them or discuss them here. So yes, people are free to talk about steroids or any other aspect of health, fitness, weight training and so forth all they like here, and that's not going to change. As a matter of fact, there's an excellent discussion going in the "Off Topic" forum right now that might really help someone who's considering using steroids think twice about it.
     
  4. taffer

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    personally i would never do steroids, however i lose no respect for those that do them, except for the idiots that are under 23, take 15 different roids at once, and havent reached their genetic potential yet

    there are alot of smart steroid users out there, who know how to do it safely, how to avoid most of the side effects, and dont go wild using like 15 different drugs at once, also the ones that have a really good diet, they get the most gains, and in most cases keep (most of) them

    i have no tollerance for under 21 year old idiots, who's diets are crap, and they have no way reached their genetic limit, thinking they can pump themselves full of drugs will make them grow, these are also the people without a good diet, who take 5 scoops of n-large a day :rolleyes: and end up fat and insulin ressistant at 30 because they loaded themselves up with sugar for 10 years
     
  5. JMR

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    Actually, I have to admit that part of the appeal of this board is that the steroid conversation is very limited. You younger guys can talk all you want about "responsible usage" blah, blah, blah but there is no such thing. That's just the foolishness of youth talking. Staying natural and accepting your genetic limits is the only way to go. If this board becomes a nest of users then I'll move on. There's plenty of other boards for a bunch of 17-25 year old idiots talking about drugs.
     
  6. kingink

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    I disagree completely based on the idea that this forum is a place to get information about fitness and excercise. I have read several of the threads that concern steroids to come away with the idea that I don't want that based on people's experiences and mis/information.
     
  7. Andrew M

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    I have to say, any discussion based around breaking the law is on dangerous ground. Using or supplying steroids is against UK law, and I'm sure it's against US law (the majority of members seem to come from the US).

    I imagine there'd be an outcry, and I'd get banned if I started talking about child porn, or heroin/cocaine supplying. (And rightly so).

    I don't know what the technicalities are, but in the UK, electronic information (ie these boards) can be used against you in court. I think the homeland security department in the US could probably do something similar. Discussions like these might implicate some members, but may also have repercussions for the forum owners (John).

    Andrew.
     
  8. John Stone

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    Freedom of speech protects our right to discuss these things. What I WILL NOT allow is any discussion on how/where to obtain steroids or any other illegal substance.
     
  9. John Stone

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    I left the music off while I was doing my cardio this morning. I've spent the last hour thinking about this topic and have a few more thoughts...

    I guess I just don't understand the rationale behind some of the opinions expressed here. Burying our collective head in the sand will not make steroids go away. I'm guessing the natural to steroid-enhanced membership ratio on this forum is 250:1, perhaps even 500:1. We are in an excellent position to help those who are curious about steroids stay away from them.

    If someone comes here and asks about steroids and I delete the thread and warn the user not to bring up steroids again, do you think that person is just going to give up on the idea? Nope. He or she will go to another more "steroid-friendly" forum and ask the same questions. Do you want the chance to help someone stay off drugs, or do you want that person to go somewhere else so he can have sunshine blown up his ass?

    Andrew M, carrying your argument to its logical conclusion I would not be able to openly discuss my past drug problems. Parents and teachers could not talk about drugs with their kids and students. Open discussion and education are good things. Pretending that a problem doesn't exist and refusing to discuss it openly and honestly only makes the problem worse. I've talked candidly about my past drugs problems; my willingness to do so has helped a lot of people. I know this because I've received dozens of emails from people who are giving up (or who have given up) drugs since reading my story.

    So, not only is it legal for us to discuss these things, but I strongly feel that as human beings who care about one another it is our duty to do so.
     
  10. JMR

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    If the intention of this forum is to steer others away from drug use then that's an admirable cause but how can we deny the instant gratification of steroid use? Unless you're just a total moron or suffer from some specific malady which makes you more susceptible to certain steroid influenced conditions, it could take a long time to see a seriously negative effect from them. Kids don't think they're gonna live past 30 anyhow. A serious no drug stance from you could nip it in the bud from the beginning but you've already gotten certain very knowledgeable patrons doling out advice on this site that are obvious users which compromises your ethical position if that position includes steering others away from steroids.
     
  11. slush_puppy

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    The gist of this site and forums has always been that you could change the way you lived, through diet and excercise, and make a profound difference in your physique and your outlook on life. It's always been about making a lifestyle change and finding motivation, not about instant gratification. I personally don't really care about what any of the other members of this board take, whether it's multivitamins, prohormones or steroids. But discussion of the positive uses of prohormones and steroids doesn't fit into the "lifestyle change" theme that makes this board special and I don't really want to see discussion of them in any way that shows them in a positive light. On that note, I have still not seen a single thread here that fell into that category. Just my two cents.

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  12. John Stone

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    Good grief. A "serious no drug stance from me?" My position on steroids is abundantly clear. Most of the members here are also against the use of steroids. The advice given to those who ask about them will reflect the overriding opinions of the membership.

    I have not compromised my "ethical position" by allowing steroids to be discussed here, nor have I compromised my ethics by allowing those who use steroids to post here. I resent that you've suggested such a ridiculous and insulting notion. Read what you just said: "you've already gotten certain very knowledgeable patrons doling out advice on this site that are obvious users which compromises your ethical position if that position includes steering others away from steroids." That's an absolutely asinine statement. Make me a list of the people on here who use steroids (it's blatantly obvious, after all) and I'll ban them so my ethical conscience will be clear and I can sleep tonight.

    Seriously, do you have any idea how arrogant what you just wrote sounds?
     
  13. JMR

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    Arrogant or not, you're being naive if you're not aware of it.
     
  14. karatetricker

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    As long as Steroid use is not encouraged and all of the negative effects are discussed, I don't see why the topics should be deleted. Like John said, deleting the message and warning the user will just send him/her running to the next forum.
     
  15. karatetricker

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    Whether it is the case or not, as long as these users you claim to be using them don't promote them here, why should they face any "punishment"? Afterall, it would be/is their body, their decision and it does not make them bad people.
     
  16. JMR

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    True... but the clientelle of this site was built while John was dieting as I pointed out in a PM to him just moments ago. As John is bulking now, the clientelle is shifting slightly. There's new member like myself who have never had a problem with dieting. I just don't want to see that membership go too far in the other direction until we have getbig or MM over here where a syringe in your butt is almost as essential as set of weights.
    :D
     
  17. John Stone

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    Aware of what? That some members of this forum use steroids? Of course I am aware of that. However, your statement that I'm compromising my ethics by allowing them to post here is ludicrous, arrogant and extremely insulting. That you apparently don't see that (or don't care) I find particularly disturbing.
     
  18. JMR

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    I didn't say anything about punishing them. Where did you get that? I never said they were "bad people". I just said that it compromises the position of the board if it is an anti-steroid environment.
     
  19. karatetricker

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    Sorry, I was just summing up everything I had read in the thread. Those against steroid discussion said anything from deleting the post to warning/banning the user.
     
  20. JMR

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    It compromises your ethics only if you promote this site and board as a natural "anti-steroid" environment. That's my point. It's as bad as natural bodybuilding magazines accepting ads from companies that openly promote drug users and use them in their ads or even taking ads from companies that make illegal prohormones in the case of the INBF's magazine.
     
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