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I really like Donald Trump. Not much about him I don't like.

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by diggity, Dec 21, 2006.

  1. SeanB.

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    Can't argue with that - he's not. But, here is the relavant fact, he is the co-owner of the Miss USA pagent. He didn't come out of the blue to make a decision as to what happens to that girl. It was his position to do so. He said he believes in second chances and he gave her one. I just don't see how that is inserting his own morals, espcially given that is was basically his responsability to make a decision.

    If you watch the clip, you can see that Rosie clearly has some issues with pagents (don't much care for them myself) and I think that is fueling part of her annimosity.

    That's all for me. I don't want to continue and sound like a Trump defender, because I'm not. I just don't like seeing O'Donnel given a free pass, since I think she's a waste of skin -a lot of it.
     
  2. Justitia

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    I think what people are responding to is that Donald Trump's PR approach was to put himself front and center of the spotlight as a punctilious arbiter of moral conduct, could sit in judgment of her as a human being and with his largess, grant her "a second chance." He demeaned her, essentially forcing her to cry in obeisance to him in public in order to aggrandize himself.

    I think people were pretty disgusted by his misogynistic and hypocritical behavior (as his escapades of womanizing and other excesses far exceed anything that Tara Connor did in her short life) and his exploitation of a young girl to make himself larger than life.

    At least I feel (now having watched the whole episode on the View) that Rosie O'Donnell gave public expression to this widely felt disgust and pretty much nailed Donald to the wall. And that is part of the job of comedians -- think Jay Leno, David Letterman -- and of course Jon Stewart.

    And I wonder how much of a factor is at play here that Rosie is a woman, expressing the outrage of a woman ... As was stated in an earlier post, Jon Stewart pretty much said the same thing about Trump (see link in earlier post) but some people felt it was not "mean" like O'Donell's. If you notice, however, a higher percentage of Stewart's attack was ridiculing Tara than Trump and quite degradingly at that. It was vice versa with O'Donnell. It may explain why some people find Stewart's rendition not "as mean." In fact it was every bit as mean... but more of the meanness was directed at Tara, by again sexually humiliating her.

    I don't fault either Stewart or O'Donell... I think they both did a terrific and funny job doing what they were supposed to do.. and I find nothing wrong with the slant either one of them takes as to whom they attacked more extensively -- different comedians, different emphasis.

    But clearly Donald has a problem with Rosie's remarks and not others... and notice how he attacks Rosie back -- in all the ways that are supposed to be demeaning to a woman -- he keeps calling her fat, ugly and unable to keep her love interest. That is typical misogynistic woman-bashing.

    On another note, can you imagine what Tara is going to feel over the rest of her life as she appreciates more fully over time how she publicly humiliated herself, sucking up to the Donald in the most self-abasing sexist manner, to keep the Miss USA crown?

    Compare her experience to Vanessa Williams, who finally chose to voluntarily give up her (more prestigious) Miss America crown during the controversy swirling for most of the year when nude photos taken of her at 17 were published without consent. Ms Williams had far better counseling at the same age as Tara and proceeded forward with her life with dignity and grace. I don't think too many people even think about that embarrassing episode 22 years ago any more. I think it will be much harder for Tara Connor, after what Trump got her to do, to feel the same way 22 years from now.

    And I apologize to all for allowing myself to use this as a soapbox [​IMG] for a number of issues that are obviously close to my heart. In no way do I intend to convey any disrespect to anyone here on this thread. I think everyone here, regardless of their position, has expressed themselves thoughtfully and carefully... there is a reason this particular "feud" between two public figures has had such strong play in the media. There is more being touched on than just an angry exchange between two celebrities.

    And believe it or not... :D I think I have said my final peace... but I will read avidly other posters here... because I think this is a worthwhile discussion.
     
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  3. CJohnson

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    Trump a financial genius? No, definitely not. Now, he does know his core business well (real estate), but he's pretty lousy when he branches out to other businesses, like casinos. He was forced out as CEO out of that business in 2004 due to losses. If you can't make money with a casino, I don't know what you're screwing up.

    His behavior is, in fact, in keeping with a lot of people I know that work in real estate (with apologies to any real estate investors/realtors out there). On the whole, it seems to be a very slimy business where big egos are abundant. Shameless self promoting seems to be a big feature too.
     
  4. Justitia

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    Just couldn't resist.....

    Walters Calls Trump 'Poor, Pathetic Man'
    From Associated Press
    January 10, 2007 9:46 PM EST
    NEW YORK - Donald Trump has called Barbara Walters a liar and Rosie O'Donnell a loser. On Wednesday, they both fired back. "Well, he's at it again," said O'Donnell, referring to a letter written to her by Trump and reported Tuesday by the media. The letter said Walters had told him that working with O'Donnell on ABC's "The View" is like "living in hell."

    "That poor, pathetic man," said Walters, drawing whoops of approval from her TV audience.

    O'Donnell high-fived Walters and co-hosts Joy Behar and Elisabeth Hasselbeck. "You know, he just can't - he just can't let go, but we're moving on," Walters said.

    The co-hosts didn't mention him by name, referring to Trump as "he" and "that guy."

    "The man is obsessed with me, and I'm happy to say his show tanked," said O'Donnell, in an apparent reference to the ratings of the latest edition of Trump's NBC reality show, "The Apprentice," which fell short of those from last spring's season premiere.

    An e-mail from The Associated Press seeking comment from Trump wasn't immediately answered Wednesday. But TV show "The Insider" said a statement from Trump said, "They didn't even have the courage to mention me by name. It was sad to see Barbara read her statement off a cue card."

    In his letter to O'Donnell, Trump said Walters had "lied to both of us."

    He said Walters had called him from her vacation trying to end the feud and supposedly told him "don't worry, she won't be here for long" and "Donald, never get in the mud with pigs."

    Walters said last week she hadn't told Trump she didn't want O'Donnell on the daytime talk show. "Nothing could be further from the truth," she said.

    The Rosie-Donald feud began last month after Trump announced that Miss USA Tara Conner would keep her title, which had been in jeopardy because of underage drinking. He owns the pageant.

    O'Donnell said the twice-divorced real estate mogul had no right to be "the moral compass for 20-year-olds in America."
     
  5. EliteTraining

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    Yea? Just this morning I read Rosie flaring at Barbara for not sticking by her side.
     
  6. prawn

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    How can any decent human being have respect for his character? The level of arrogance, elitism, insincerity, and hypocricy he displays on a daily basis is staggering and disgusting. On my internal list of "worst people in the world", there is a host of folks who caused physical harm to others. Under them, although not far, is Donald Trump...

    To be THAT smug is bordering on sub-human. When you grow up in tremendous wealth, surrounded by the most successful people in the world since birth, how can you be one brain cell above mentally retarted and NOT be financial successful? Hopefully that doesn't come off too overstated/simplified, but IMO it's fairly cut and dry. He won the human lottery at birth, and as such had an opportunity to give back tremendously to those less FORTUNATE(READ FORTUNATE, similiar to "lucky"). Instead, he gives a pathetic amount of time and money to charity(I think it's fair to conclude if his tax info wasn't public record, he woudn't give a damn dime) and goes about his day to day convincing the world how wonderful he is.
     
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  7. dkmahkee

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    :confused: Sounds like something the Donald would say.
     
  8. eleonardo

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    I'm really wondering.
    With so much money, why doesn't Donald hire a hair stylist?
    Or, at least walk into a hair salon?

    BTW- you can say and think what you want about Donald, but he does have a presence.
     
  9. Weight-Tress

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    Trump had said in the past that every time he cuts his hair back, he loses major money, so he has decided to keep it the way it is.

    The other night there was a wrestling match on TV with a man dressed as Donald( flipped hair and in business attire) and a woman who was supposed to be Rosie. Anyone see it?
     
  10. 1FastGTX

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    Yes. :lol:
     
  11. Justitia

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    I thought from the get go he was acting like a little baby. For a guy who fancies himself this big financial success, he's obviously got some major insecurities and is making himself look like a total ass and quite juvenile.
     
  13. Justitia

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    Who knew.....
     

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