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Can you Cut for 2 weeks in the middle of a bulk?
Old Thu, January 8th, 2009, 08:04 AM   #1
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Smile Can you Cut for 2 weeks in the middle of a bulk?

Hello, I failed my bulk and i'm feeling too fat (skinny fat): moobs and love handles are really making me uncomfortable.
Didnt experience any gains in strenght (for various reasons) so i wouldnt call myself in the middle of a bulk, I'm sure i can get rid of the fat in a couple of weeks or so.
would it be a good idea to
  • stay on a caloric surplus for another 6 weeks then cut?
  • Start a Slow cleaner Bulk till around May then Cut for the summer?
  • Get rid of the excess fat first then plan a bulk.
  • Eat around maintenance in hope for the fat to "melt" with the Hard training/extra muscles.
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Old Thu, January 8th, 2009, 10:30 AM   #2
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You could try something along the lines of 2 weeks cutting, 4 weeks bulking, 2 weeks cutting etc. That will allow you to gain a little lean mass and drop some fat.
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Old Thu, January 8th, 2009, 10:51 AM   #3
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Hello, I failed my bulk and i'm feeling too fat (skinny fat): moobs and love handles are really making me uncomfortable.
Didnt experience any gains in strenght (for various reasons) so i wouldnt call myself in the middle of a bulk, I'm sure i can get rid of the fat in a couple of weeks or so.
would it be a good idea to
  • stay on a caloric surplus for another 6 weeks then cut?
  • Start a Slow cleaner Bulk till around May then Cut for the summer?
  • Get rid of the excess fat first then plan a bulk.
  • Eat around maintenance in hope for the fat to "melt" with the Hard training/extra muscles.
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I am no expert, there are many more on this forum that are and may give you a differnt answer, but i am in a similar situation so i thought i would share, I am in the middel of a bulk, but differing from you i am seeing very good inceases in strengh and mass, along with those unwanted fatty areas that go along with it eating at a surplus. I have wanted to just stop and cut many times in the last couple weeks. But this site keeps me going knowing when i do cut the results will be amazing, that being said, I dont think you are really in a the middel of a bulk. Although 165Lbs on a six foot frame doesnt sound like you have gianed to much fat, i think the answer to your questions are in both your 1st choice and 4th choice. since you somewhat started a bulk go for it for another six weks, and as mentioned in choise 4 Train Hard Best of luck and let us know how it goes.
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Old Thu, January 8th, 2009, 11:01 AM   #4
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I find it quite hard to believe you are 6', 165lbs and 16% body fat. If that is the case though I think it's even more reason to just keep up eating and keep on lifting. And for longer than 6 weeks as well. IMO there is no point cutting if LBM is as low as you are making out it is. You'll just look like a famine victim. Eat hard, lift hard! Worry about your abs later.
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Waterbury's 10-10 Transformation is a program that alternates cutting and bulking and is supposed to have you gain 10 pounds of muscle while losing 10 pounds of fat.

http://chadwaterbury.com/products/10...ion.html?hop=0

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Waterbury's 10-10 Transformation is a program that alternates cutting and bulking and is supposed to have you gain 10 pounds of muscle while losing 10 pounds of fat.

http://chadwaterbury.com/products/10...ion.html?hop=0

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...burys_1010_log
I bought that ebook thinking it might be worth a try. He is so none specific about the diet I don't think there is any chance of it working. 2 cheat meals a week, a hand full of nuts here, a bit of chocolate there... That on top of the premise that you are going to gain 10lbs of muscle on the 2 three week bulking cycles! It all seems a little far fetched to me.
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Old Thu, January 8th, 2009, 02:49 PM   #7
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Do you have things "fixed" so increasing strength is not an issue anymore?

I get the impression you're far from your genetic limit in the strength and muscle category, so I'd do whatever it takes to get yourself on a plan where strength and quality LBM gains can be made the primary focus 90% of the time.
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Old Thu, January 8th, 2009, 04:33 PM   #8
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IMO there is no point cutting if LBM is as low as you are making out it is. You'll just look like a famine victim. Eat hard, lift hard! Worry about your abs later.
i already look skinnyl (but feel uncomfortable with moobs), it's funny when my friends tell me "you should start visiting the gym". .i'm definitly wanting more LBM,

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Waterbury's 10-10 Transformation is a program that alternates cutting and bulking and is supposed to have you gain 10 pounds of muscle while losing 10 pounds of fat.
thanks for the suggestion and links,unfortunately its not easy for me to measure accurate BF% and LBM to track pogress,seeing the scale not move on the entire program isnt very motivating either .

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I'd do whatever it takes to get yourself on a plan where strength and quality LBM gains can be made the primary focus 90% of the time.
Could you pls suggest one.I'm trying Waterbury's Total Body Training
but cant find an out of the box diet.
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Old Thu, January 8th, 2009, 06:28 PM   #9
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I don't know how much cardio you are doing but if you are not you could consider intergrating 2-3 days/sessions a week of empty state cardio. Also drop you calories back a tad but you need to be knowing how much you are taking in each day.
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Old Thu, January 8th, 2009, 10:02 PM   #10
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Layne Norton Bulks for about 6 to 8 weeks then cuts for about 2 to 3. He essentially burns off the fat he gained in those bulking weeks.

Another approach is culking, which Alan Aragon reccomends. Gaining muscle mass while losing fat.
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Thanks for all the suggestions.
i think i actually found a sollution,during the last two weeks i got back to eating 5 meals a day, I never stuff myself at one sitting,im definitly eating more as a total calories/day.my midsection is looking tighter and the moobs kinda disapeared. I really have no idea how this relates to that,but for anybody eating 3 meals a day, try it you'll feel much better.
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