Deadlifts

[chris mason]

Originally Posted by daciz2

Ronnie Coleman is the man. so is Chris Mason

Well, thank you very much! Ronnie is a lot bigger and stronger than I am but I certainly am falttered to be mentioned in the same breath.

[dano]

Originally Posted by Ippo

Jerking the weight up?

On another note, anyone here do rack deadlifts?

I do rack deads with the pins set at the lowest setting which is just below my knees.
I prefer the rack deads.

[bradh]

Originally Posted by chris mason

Here is a pic of me from our booth at the Olympia Expo. I pulled 645 lbs completely raw (I was in the shorts I wore to the expo). The pic was taken by HardcorePowerlifting, LLC's Josh Winsor.

Awesome Chris. The most impressive thing is your using an overhand grip.

Are u using some kind of hook grip? Have you ever used a mixed grip?

[bradh]

Originally Posted by dano

I do rack deads with the pins set at the lowest setting which is just below my knees.
I prefer the rack deads.

If you use rack pulls to bring up your deadlift from the floor you might want to look into using blocks instead of pins. When using blocks the bar remains straight but on pins it tends to bend and doesn't transfer so well to the deadlift. That's a tip i got from one of the superhumanradio shows by a powerlifting coach.

It makes sense to me, i've always used blocks because that's all i have.

[chris mason]

Originally Posted by canada

Awesome Chris. The most impressive thing is your using an overhand grip.

Are u using some kind of hook grip? Have you ever used a mixed grip?

Yep, a hook grip. I have used a mixed grip but I prefer the hook as it places less torque on the spine.

[1FastGTX]

Originally Posted by chris mason

Here is a pic of me from our booth at the Olympia Expo. I pulled 645 lbs completely raw (I was in the shorts I wore to the expo). The pic was taken by HardcorePowerlifting, LLC's Josh Winsor.

Holy cow that's impressive!!!

[bradh]

Guys i recently listen to a superhumanradio show where the guy was saying you want your shoulders behind the bar during ME deads. However, this guy seems to be pretty well over the bar.

Thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK4UIxKIxtc&NR

This guy seems to be pretty well "over" the bar also - what do you think of rolling the bar? I seen that in a few vids now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK4UIxKIxtc&NR

[dano]

Originally Posted by canada

If you use rack pulls to bring up your deadlift from the floor you might want to look into using blocks instead of pins. When using blocks the bar remains straight but on pins it tends to bend and doesn't transfer so well to the deadlift. That's a tip i got from one of the superhumanradio shows by a powerlifting coach.

It makes sense to me, i've always used blocks because that's all i have.

I don't understand what you mean about the bar bending issue.

Where are you placing the blocks ?

[bradh]

You use blocks instead of pins. The bar will not bend. Blocks like you would use for stepups.

[chicanerous]

Originally Posted by dano

I don't understand what you mean about the bar bending issue.

Where are you placing the blocks ?

Blocks go under the plates on each side.

[bradh]

Originally Posted by chicanerous

Blocks go under the plates on each side.

Depends on the blocks - i rest the bar on the blocks.

[chicanerous]

Originally Posted by canada

Depends on the blocks - i rest the bar on the blocks.

I've never seen it done like that. I was thinking like this, except much lower, of course:



If the bar is so heavy that it's going to bend, I don't see how putting blocks under the barbell itself will prevent that. The bar bends in a convex shape, so the point of contact will be the outer edge of the blocks. You could just as well remove the inner part of the blocks and the shape would be retained. If you put the blocks completely flush against the caps of the barbell, you're still loading the barbell itself with tension even though, to the discernable eye, you'd likely see very little to no bend. Elevating the plates is the only true way to prevent this.

[bradh]

Originally Posted by chicanerous

I've never seen it done like that. I was thinking like this, except much lower, of course:

I use the same blocks for stepups, so there pretty high, you wouldn't be able to do a sumo deadlift with my setup.

Can't remember the height but i did post it somewhere.

There 15.5 inchs high.

Any thoughts on my questions above Chico?

[bradh]

Originally Posted by chicanerous

I've never seen it done like that. I was thinking like this, except much lower, of course:



If the bar is so heavy that it's going to bend, I don't see how putting blocks under the barbell itself will prevent that. The bar bends in a convex shape, so the point of contact will be the outer edge of the blocks. You could just as well remove the inner part of the blocks and the shape would be retained. If you put the blocks completely flush against the caps of the barbell, you're still loading the barbell itself with tension even though it won't bend anywhere near as much. Elevating the plates is the only true way to prevent this.

Well i had 440 on them a few months back and it was straight. I put the blocks right up against the sleeves and there pretty wide.

[chicanerous]

Originally Posted by canada

Well i had 440 on them a few months back and it was straight. I put the blocks right up against the sleeves and there pretty wide.

Yah, the width actually has nothing to do with it. It's how close you put them to the sleeves (I called them caps ) that changes the lever. The closer they are to being underneath the plates, the less discernable bend you're going to see; however, even when you don't see a bend, unless they're completely underneath the plates, the lever is still acting and loading a force onto the midpoint of your barbell (if the blocks are equidistant from that point). Practically, this doesn't really matter at least with weights that aren't world class because good barbells are made to withstand huge levers -- if not, they'd be snapping left and right. If you were doing rack pulls with 800+ or something crazy, this would start to matter and you'd probably need a stronger barbell. This is probably why EliteFTS sells things like the Mastodon bar.

[betastas]

Originally Posted by canada

Guys i recently listen to a superhumanradio show where the guy was saying you want your shoulders behind the bar during ME deads. However, this guy seems to be pretty well over the bar.

Thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK4UIxKIxtc&NR

The deadlift is unique depending on the individual. His spine is bent a little more than most people would find acceptable, but look at the weight he moved. I have seen people lift well both over and behind the bar. It seems to depend the most on how you choose to lift.

[Timbermiko]

Originally Posted by chris mason

Here is a pic of me from our booth at the Olympia Expo. I pulled 645 lbs completely raw (I was in the shorts I wore to the expo). The pic was taken by HardcorePowerlifting, LLC's Josh Winsor.

You look like Bob Peoples there Chris

[chris mason]

Originally Posted by Timbermiko

You look like Bob Peoples there Chris

I have to get in the low 700s first!

Thank you.

My goal is to get over 700 lbs clean. I am not too far off right now.

[punkchip]

Originally Posted by chris mason

Here is a pic of me from our booth at the Olympia Expo. I pulled 645 lbs completely raw (I was in the shorts I wore to the expo). The pic was taken by HardcorePowerlifting, LLC's Josh Winsor.

Now I know why I use Nitrean.

[Big_D]

Originally Posted by chris mason

I have to get in the low 700s first!

Thank you.

My goal is to get over 700 lbs clean. I am not too far off right now.

I thought you said you were going to clean 700 lbs, and I was like ...? wtf