On the topic of injuries

Kino · Wed, September 28th, 2005, 01:44 PM

I've got this pain through my collar bone region that I thought had gone away for good. I used to get some real tightness/soreness through the clavicular pec area when I did Gironda dips. It was the only exercise that caused it, so after the last time it happened, I decided to take a break for a while. I did machine inclines a couple weeks back, and the pain is back again. The best decription would be that it's actually the left side of my collar bone in the front, and it seems to migrate out to my left shoulder. I've had alot of different injuries, but nothing like this before. I'll get myself into my orthopedic doctor next week, but I was curious if anybodies had anything like this before, or might have any idea of what I could of done?

Kino · Wed, September 28th, 2005, 01:50 PM

Just to add to the above...This isn't like one of my typical shoulder injuries. I've seperated my right shoulder at least twice, and it was nothing like how this feels. I do have some impingment issues in my right shoulder that I'm always on guard for. It was recommended that I have that shoulder scoped starting back around 95...but so far I've been able to avoid doing so.
This is different than anything I've felt so far...and believe me, growing up with a regular seat in the ER, I'm no stranger to pain and injuries. Like I said...I actually feel this in my collar bone...though it could be migrating from my left shoulder instead of out to it. It's not a muscle type of pain...it actually feels like it radiates from the bone itself.

doordude42 · Wed, September 28th, 2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kino

I've got this pain through my collar bone region that I thought had gone away for good. I used to get some real tightness/soreness through the clavicular pec area when I did Gironda dips. It was the only exercise that caused it, so after the last time it happened, I decided to take a break for a while. I did machine inclines a couple weeks back, and the pain is back again. The best decription would be that it's actually the left side of my collar bone in the front, and it seems to migrate out to my left shoulder. I've had alot of different injuries, but nothing like this before. I'll get myself into my orthopedic doctor next week, but I was curious if anybodies had anything like this before, or might have any idea of what I could of done?

Walt, I've got the same exact thing on my right front collarbone. Probably 3 or 4 inches off the top of my sternum. The "pain" is by no means unbearable it's just there. I don't know if i'd even call it a pain but it's there and i'm aware of it. I did chest and shoulders monday and it didn't seem to effect it at all!!!!!???????? I have NO idea what's up.

Very weird.

Kino · Wed, September 28th, 2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by doordude42

Walt, I've got the same exact thing on my right front collarbone. Probably 3 or 4 inches off the top of my sternum. The "pain" is by no means unbearable it's just there. I don't know if i'd even call it a pain but it's there and i'm aware of it. I did chest and shoulders monday and it didn't seem to effect it at all!!!!!???????? I have NO idea what's up.

Very weird.

Somebody suggested that it may be a sort of seperation of the shoulder. Lifting that end of the clavical higher than it should be...and driving the opposite end into the sternum...I'll find out more a week from this Friday. It's the soonest I could get in...

smalltex · Wed, September 28th, 2005, 02:12 PM

While uncommon, one thing that occurs in weight lifters is osteolysis of the distal clavicle--in laymen's terms the end of the collarbone at the a-c joint dissolves.

It is easily diagnosed with an xray which shows an abnormal end of the collarbone at the a-c joint.

I just mention this as you feel that the problem is "bony" and different from your chronic shoulder problems.

Here is an article in the sports medicine literature:
http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/...0/stephens.htm

Kino · Wed, September 28th, 2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by smalltex

While uncommon, one thing that occurs in weight lifters is osteolysis of the distal clavicle--in laymen's terms the end of the collarbone at the a-c joint dissolves.

It is easily diagnosed with an xray which shows an abnormal end of the collarbone at the a-c joint.

I just mention this as you feel that the problem is "bony" and different from your chronic shoulder problems.

Here is an article in the sports medicine literature:
http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/...0/stephens.htm

On the bright side of all of this...I actually understood what the distal clavicle was...and had a pretty good understanding of the areas discussed in the paper. This could well be the problem. I guess I'll find out next week. However...I don't like the mention of corticosteroid injections. I've had them, and they are a highly over-rated experience.

doordude42 · Wed, September 28th, 2005, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by smalltex

While uncommon, one thing that occurs in weight lifters is osteolysis of the distal clavicle--in laymen's terms the end of the collarbone at the a-c joint dissolves.

It is easily diagnosed with an xray which shows an abnormal end of the collarbone at the a-c joint.

I just mention this as you feel that the problem is "bony" and different from your chronic shoulder problems.

Here is an article in the sports medicine literature:
http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/...0/stephens.htm

Nope. I've got A/C seperations in both shoulders. This feeling is like 3 inches to the right of the base of my neck dead center. Right on the collarbone. Nowhere near the joint.

Kino · Wed, September 28th, 2005, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by doordude42

Nope. I've got A/C seperations in both shoulders. This feeling is like 3 inches to the right of the base of my neck dead center. Right on the collarbone. Nowhere near the joint.

We're talking about the exact same thing Michael. How's it effect your shoulder when you're sleeping at night?

doordude42 · Wed, September 28th, 2005, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kino

We're talking about the exact same thing Michael. How's it effect your shoulder when you're sleeping at night?

That particular area doesn't seem to disturb my sleep but I haven't been able to sleep for long in a fetal position for years. I can tell you though, when I wake up in the AM it's sore.

Nico · Thu, September 29th, 2005, 08:57 PM

I've heard about neck pain radiating into that area, where the person feels no pain in their neck but due to a strain in the neck/front of trapezius area they have the kind of pain that you guys are talking about. It's odd to have pain like that right on a bone-definitely not a normal shoulder injury like a labrum or impingement/rotator cuff issue.

Kino · Fri, September 30th, 2005, 05:23 AM

I had a maintanence visit with my chiropractor yesterday and mentioned it to him. He explained the points that I want to work on in regards to working out any muscle soreness in that area. Basically...focus on the muscles attaching the clavicle around the base of my neck. He pointed out that if it was a joint issue, it would either hurt on one end or the other of the clavicle. So I'll give that a try over the next few days. I've already got an appointment with my orthopod on Friday of next week...so I'll get his input as well.

Kino · Fri, October 7th, 2005, 05:56 PM

Figured I'd update this thread since I just got back from my orthopedic doctor, and I knew that Michael was going through the same type of pain. Seems it's caused by some narrowing and arthritis at the joint where the clavicle meets the sternum. He said that it's something he would expect to see in somebody in their 60's. He had actually looked at the shoulder, to see if there was any problems there, but it was just normal wear and tear...keep the rotator cuff strong...the usual stuff.
Long story short...Motrin, and try to avoid really wide hand positions when benching, and just in general on other lifts. This whole thing has effected my training pretty severly for the past 5-6 weeks. Mentally, more than I care to admit. I'm just glad I didn't crack my clavicle (it was going through my mind). He's the doctor that'll end up redoing my hip when I decide it's time to, and he gave me the OK to do squats (again), as long as I keep a wide stance, so I may try and get back into barbell squats alittle more than I have, and just use the machine for the heavier stuff. It's slipped out of place before, doing barbell squats, so of course I'm not going to push my luck too much.
Oh well...another thing I can check off on my To Do list.