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[Reno_1ted]

Originally Posted by DFS

You mention something JoeSchmo that I just remembered texting to my brother during the fights on Saturday night. Shogun is a young man, only 27....but man does he look like he has some wear and tear on that body. I text my brother that if you put those two men side by side, everyone to a man would say that it was Machida that looks 4 years younger than the other when in fact it's the other way around.

I agree 100%, i was really surprised when they mentioned how young Shogun was, as well as looking like he has been around a while, it also feels like he has as well.

Your right Joe, he has time on his side and I agree from here on in it should only be up and away for Shogun.

[JoeSchmo]

Originally Posted by DFS

You mention something JoeSchmo that I just remembered texting to my brother during the fights on Saturday night. Shogun is a young man, only 27....but man does he look like he has some wear and tear on that body. I text my brother that if you put those two men side by side, everyone to a man would say that it was Machida that looks 4 years younger than the other when in fact it's the other way around.

Yeah, he is pretty beat up for such a young guy. Dana has often said (and rightly so) that Pride fighters have shorter (ring) lifespans because of all the open weight tournaments and such. Certainly makes sense. A lot of former Pride fighters (like Wandy) seem to slow down at a much earlier age....

[DFS]

Originally Posted by JoeSchmo

Yeah, he is pretty beat up for such a young guy. Dana has often said (and rightly so) that Pride fighters have shorter (ring) lifespans because of all the open weight tournaments and such. Certainly makes sense. A lot of former Pride fighters (like Wandy) seem to slow down at a much earlier age....

Not to mention all the beatings a lot of those Brazilians put on each other down there in training and all the Vale Tudo stuff.

[woodan]

This season of TUF is just embarrassing. It's like watching those local MMA events where you just have two guys that think they are tough. I remember when the TUF had athletes on it, that ate well and were in shape. Just because you are a heavyweight shouldn't mean you become a slob. Any of the heavyweights currently in the UFC would take any of these guys apart. It's a joke. And then for Dana to say "man, these guys were dropping bombs" when really they are just standing infront of each other panting takes the piss to a new level.

[DFS]

Pretty much agree with the above.

Also, why the hell didn't they pull the Lesnar vs. Carwin promos for UFC 106!!! That was a bad move.

[FreePrince]

Originally Posted by woodan

I remember when the TUF had athletes on it, that ate well and were in shape. Just because you are a heavyweight shouldn't mean you become a slob.

They both looked really gassed even before the first round ended...and DW's completely OTT reaction, 'wow, great fight!' What? They were swinging total bricks out there. Lazy punches and kicks completely left dangling that a green belt in hapkido could have seized upon, picked them up, and thrown them into the wall.

Rampage's door reaction was hilarious but it looked sort of staged.

[woodan]

Originally Posted by FreePrince

Rampage's door reaction was hilarious but it looked sort of staged.

What are the doors made of over there? I'm surprised that door hasn't fallen apart just opening it.

[Reno_1ted]

Another shower of shite. WTF is going on. Why are non of these guys in shape? Sure they are heavyweights, but its no excuse. Like Woodan said, this series just seems to be a bunch of out of shape fat guys. The fights are terrible. Usually on TUF the fights are quality as 2 guys literally fighting for their chance. I mean, Matt took some big shots at one point, but other then that, just two fat guys tapping each other and panting for breath. Rubbish !!! And Dana bigging it up, get real Dana, even you cant blag this series.

Do you think its suffered Big Brother syndrome, where they have picked people to make the house more interesting, rather then for their ability?

Worst series ever. Ratings or not.

I can see big baby being quite good, quite looking forward to seeing him. He looks in shape at least, and quite big but athletic.

[FreePrince]

Originally Posted by Reno_1ted

Do you think its suffered Big Brother syndrome, where they have picked people to make the house more interesting, rather then for their ability?

Oh easily, easily. Those earlier series had people like Rashad and Michael Bisping--people who actually are good ambassadors for our sport, in shape, and can fight. A lot of these guys are just goons. Remember last season where they brought on junie browning's brother to be in the house (except he got beat in his prelim fight)?

I mean, i know you have to have rating and all...but dont tell me you cant find in shape guys who can be entertaining, and one guy who can say one sentence of mentoring instead of just mouthing off every show (rampage). I think Rashad as a coach has prob been the only real positive about TUF this season.

TUF is looking more like something from WWF this season.

[DFS]

Looks like Alves has withdrawn from the 107 fight with Fitch...that sucks. That was one of the more interesting fights on the card. Still a great card though.

[Reno_1ted]

Marcus looked pretty good actually, against a credible guy. Very quick armbar for someone not from a JJ background, and he looked pretty big and powerful, and fit (though it wasnt a long fight of course). He also seems a really nice guy. If not a bit sensitive.

I think Ive reached my rampage limit now. He is starting to annoy me. I do wish they were fighting, i would have a fair bit of interest in that fight.

1 week till till Im cageside at UFC 105 !!!!

[needachange]

Originally Posted by Reno_1ted

Marcus looked pretty good actually, against a credible guy. Very quick armbar for someone not from a JJ background, and he looked pretty big and powerful, and fit (though it wasnt a long fight of course). He also seems a really nice guy. If not a bit sensitive.

Yeah Marcus is a beast. When he said he was going to leave TUF with an arm he wasn't joking lol. When he pulled that arm bar I thought he was going to snap that guys arm in half . Dude doesn't know his own strength.

Anyone think the "my brain hurts" thing is a play up? That way they can throw Kimbo into the quarters. It sounds a little staged to me. Junk threw some good punches in his fight but I don't think they were bad enough to hurt him that much.

[JoeSchmo]

Anybody else excited for the Rogers/Fedor fight?

I know it ain't the UFC, but it should be interesting....certainly better than anything on TUF!

Why I like it: Rogers is somewhat of an unknown. He hits hard, and, he did beat Arlovski pretty easily. Fedor is much more well-rounded and skilled (obviously), but, the one time he showed some vulnerability was when he got nailed by Fujita...so IMO, Rogers could be a dangerous opponent for Fedor. That said, I still think Fedor will win by submission in the first round.

[Reno_1ted]

Originally Posted by JoeSchmo

Anybody else excited for the Rogers/Fedor fight?

I know it ain't the UFC, but it should be interesting....certainly better than anything on TUF!

Why I like it: Rogers is somewhat of an unknown. He hits hard, and, he did beat Arlovski pretty easily. Fedor is much more well-rounded and skilled (obviously), but, the one time he showed some vulnerability was when he got nailed by Fujita...so IMO, Rogers could be a dangerous opponent for Fedor. That said, I still think Fedor will win by submission in the first round.

Agree 100% with everything you just said. Fedor will not lose this one. I am excited to see this show.

I am split though between wanting it to take off, and not. On the one hand, I think the UFC needs some competition, it generates heat and keeps compaines on their toes and not complaceant. The WWE was at its best when it had WCW clammering for attention. However, that said it will probably mean we dont get to see the fights we should, with Danas refusal to co promote the top fights. So meh, maybe it should flop.

I heard Dan Henderson is going to strikeforce, though, this has been denied and confirmed over and over.

I will be watching and cheering on David Haye fight for the WBA title tonight, should be a good fight, even if it is boxing.

[FreePrince]

Originally Posted by needachange

Anyone think the "my brain hurts" thing is a play up? That way they can throw Kimbo into the quarters. It sounds a little staged to me. Junk threw some good punches in his fight but I don't think they were bad enough to hurt him that much.

TUF is like the boy who cried wolf now with kimbo's second chance...every epsiode trailer is 'Will so and so's potential injury make way for a kimbo comeback?' It's like watching cartoons when you're four years old and every episode teaser the narrator says the hero might die even though he never does.

The biggest joke was when rashad asked if any of rampage's guys wanted to train with him because his entire team was in the second round and kimbo was going, "No way, im a team player." Yet every five minutes he's going and telling his team mates, "oh, see that, you're injured, you can't fight, i guess i'll have to step in!"

[JoeSchmo]

Originally Posted by Reno_1ted

Agree 100% with everything you just said. Fedor will not lose this one. I am excited to see this show.

I am split though between wanting it to take off, and not. On the one hand, I think the UFC needs some competition, it generates heat and keeps compaines on their toes and not complaceant. The WWE was at its best when it had WCW clammering for attention. However, that said it will probably mean we dont get to see the fights we should, with Danas refusal to co promote the top fights. So meh, maybe it should flop.

Yeah, I hear ya. I kind of like the idea of at least one other major org, even it if means there are some fights we won't see. I think a monopoly by a single org could have a stifling effect to some degree.

I'm just tuning in now! Miller versus Shields...and then the big fight!

I will be watching and cheering on David Haye fight for the WBA title tonight, should be a good fight, even if it is boxing.

Yeah, I watch boxing now and then too. I'm not really into all the MMA vs. boxing attitudes that fans of their respective sports seem to have. I like both sports.

[Reno_1ted]

Wow. I was very impressed with the Strikeforce card!

The Werdum v Silva fight was awesome, it had everything, back and forth, great BJJ, some massive hits. Eat that TUF heavyweights!

All the fights were really entertaining, even the title fight, which though a bit dull at times, was still an excellent display by Sheilds, great wrestling just to control the whole fight. He must be so fit to keep up that wrestling, I was tired watching it.

And Fedor didnt disappoint, what a punch. He looked a bit confused by the cage in round 1, and he was sure given a fight! Cant wait to see him fight again.

Even the commentary seemed much improved on last time, though Shamrocks speech wasnt helped by those braces. And big johns ref skills came through, making sure Rogers was done before stepping in. You feel the UFC would have stopped that fight after Fedors punch, when you just need to be sure, to avoid controversy.

And well done to David Haye, Britain has a Heavy Weight champ again, and he did a great job taking apart such a big dude.

I would certainly tune in again for the next card.

[JoeSchmo]

Originally Posted by Reno_1ted

The Werdum v Silva fight was awesome, it had everything, back and forth, great BJJ, some massive hits. Eat that TUF heavyweights!

Missed this one. Definitely going back to watch it though. I only saw two of the fights (Fedor/Rogers, Shields/Miller), and they were both great!

And Fedor didnt disappoint, what a punch. He looked a bit confused by the cage in round 1, and he was sure given a fight! Cant wait to see him fight again.

Yeah, when Fedor was doing nothing against the cage, I was wondering WTF he was doing. Then it occurred to me that Fedor fights in a ring, not a cage! Pride fighters have always looked a bit lost their first time in the cage, but he adapted quickly. I was actually impressed with Rogers. I figured he'd get Tim Sylvia'd inside of round 1, but he actually gave Fedor some trouble. That KO was impressive though. That is what I love about Fedor's KO's. They are so fast, and seem to come out of nowhere. Just like when he KO'd Arlovski.

I was kinda bummed to learn that Fedor injured his hand in the Rogers fight....again. Hand injuries are what kept him from out of the fight game before .... he had to have surgery on his hand awhile back. I hope this is nothing serious. That would suck if his hand keeps him from fighting for an extended period again.

[JoeSchmo]

Originally Posted by Reno_1ted

And big johns ref skills came through, making sure Rogers was done before stepping in. You feel the UFC would have stopped that fight after Fedors punch, when you just need to be sure, to avoid controversy.

Yeah, big John has good instincts for this stuff. After Fedor nailed him, I was wondering if big John stopped it too early, but after he stopped it, Rogers wasn't getting up. He was totally out. An excellent call by big John.

[DFS]

Looks like Fedor just dislocated his thumb, no biggie. Get that popped back in and he's good to go in a few weeks.