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Fri, September 29th, 2006, 11:49 AM
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Senior Member
MarkY is offline
Join Date: Apr 4th, 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Age: 49
Posts: 157
Sex: Male
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damn...
nice!!!
i'd love to have that body!! amazing simply...
btw, do you do a cut routine or a bulk routine to get that kind of body??
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Go to John's homepage and read his story. I don't think you'll find another person who has kept a better record of what they've done and how they did it. John is one dialed in and detailed individual and it shows.
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Fri, September 29th, 2006, 02:58 PM
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Happy Monster is offline
Join Date: Nov 14th, 2005
Location: Nottingham, UK
Age: 32
Posts: 3,727
Sex: Male
Stats: 5"10", 61kg
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Hi John!
It's really interesting seeing the details of your current workouts for the different muscle groups (i.e. back, chest, arms, etc..)
However the amount of volume per muscle seems to be high and go against what I've read about weight training. In the information I've seen it seems less volume is advised, especially for the smaller muscle groups like the biceps.
Do you think this is because you obviously have a lot of muscle mass and can cope with the extra volume, or that the information about training is wrong, or that it is just a case where everyone is different?
I'm interested as lately I feel that more volume is better for me and wondered what your thoughts on this were?
Thanks,
Rich.
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Fri, September 29th, 2006, 04:52 PM
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John Stone is offline
Join Date: Jan 20th, 2004
Location: Central Florida
Age: 41
Posts: 17,299
Sex: Male
Stats: 6', 199.6 pounds, 12.4% body fat (maintaining)
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John you have my utmost respect and sure enough, speak for everyone in saying we appreciate everything you do. May JSF stay with us for a long long time 
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I'm very happy that you enjoy the site.  Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Hardwork
damn...
nice!!!
i'd love to have that body!! amazing simply...
btw, do you do a cut routine or a bulk routine to get that kind of body??
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There are many paths to reach your goal. Personally I've done several cuts and several bulks over the years. As MarkY mentioned, you can find details on my training routines and much of my diet over the years on the main site; however, I encourage you to read much more than that what I have done. Only through trial and error will you determine what is ideal for you. Best of luck.
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Hi John!
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Helu!
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Originally Posted by Happy Monster
It's really interesting seeing the details of your current workouts for the different muscle groups (i.e. back, chest, arms, etc..)
However the amount of volume per muscle seems to be high and go against what I've read about weight training. In the information I've seen it seems less volume is advised, especially for the smaller muscle groups like the biceps.
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It really comes down to what actually works best for you and gives you the best results. Not what a book or a magazine tells you is best.
I've had fantastic results using "high" volume workouts. I put "high" in quotes because I don't feel that my workouts are exceptionally high in volume. Don't forget, I'm on a 5-day split so my workouts last no more than 40-45 minutes. I get in there and hit my muscles hard. Aside from the results, I like lifting. I enjoy being in the gym, and I like how I feel after I've totally devastated my target muscle groups. That's a big part of it. Doing something you hate probably won't get good results because your heart will not be in it and you'll probably quit.
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Do you think this is because you obviously have a lot of muscle mass and can cope with the extra volume, or that the information about training is wrong, or that it is just a case where everyone is different?
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I think it's a case of everyone is different. Last year I had excellent results using the same principles I'm using this year, and I started off at just 188 pounds and with 16" arms.
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I'm interested as lately I feel that more volume is better for me and wondered what your thoughts on this were?.
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If you like more volume and feel more volume gets you the best results, then I think that's what you should do.
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Fri, September 29th, 2006, 06:11 PM
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Happy Monster is offline
Join Date: Nov 14th, 2005
Location: Nottingham, UK
Age: 32
Posts: 3,727
Sex: Male
Stats: 5"10", 61kg
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Cheers John!
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Fri, September 29th, 2006, 08:39 PM
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John Stone is offline
Join Date: Jan 20th, 2004
Location: Central Florida
Age: 41
Posts: 17,299
Sex: Male
Stats: 6', 199.6 pounds, 12.4% body fat (maintaining)
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What a workout tonight!
I'm so tired I have not even showered yet.
Lisa is working late, but later tonight I'm having BBQ!
My face/body is puffing up from all the carbs I've been eating while bulking. I'm very carb-sensitive.
Here's a picture from about 30 minutes ago...
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Sat, September 30th, 2006, 02:29 PM
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Cursim is offline
Join Date: Jun 15th, 2004
Location: New York, NY
Age: 24
Posts: 82
Sex: Male
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God Damn, John. You're friggen huge.
That shit is inspirational, man. Keep on rocking!
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Sat, September 30th, 2006, 03:43 PM
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EliteTraining is offline
Join Date: Aug 28th, 2006
Posts: 160
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Can we deduce that you take in more carbs than protein John?
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Sat, September 30th, 2006, 05:42 PM
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nc is offline
Join Date: Feb 19th, 2004
Location: ON, Canada
Age: 27
Posts: 99
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I wouldn't worry about the face puffing. You're probably the only one who notices.
Looking great. I find the front page inspiring as always. At least when you're not talking about forum upgrades
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Sat, September 30th, 2006, 07:49 PM
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John Stone is offline
Join Date: Jan 20th, 2004
Location: Central Florida
Age: 41
Posts: 17,299
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Stats: 6', 199.6 pounds, 12.4% body fat (maintaining)
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That shit is inspirational, man. Keep on rocking!
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Thank you. I'm not going anywhere.
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Can we deduce that you take in more carbs than protein John?
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I'm sorry, due to the confidentiality agreement I can't discuss any details about my diet while on SUP2 or SGX.
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Looking great. I find the front page inspiring as always. At least when you're not talking about forum upgrades 
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Sat, September 30th, 2006, 08:15 PM
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EliteTraining is offline
Join Date: Aug 28th, 2006
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I'm sorry, due to the confidentiality agreement I can't discuss any details about my diet while on SUP2 or SGX.
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Opps how could I have overlooked that segment  ....But while we are on the topic, how did you know SUP2 and SGX was for u? I rem. when I started off on my transformation a few months back I decided to inquire about an online dietician/nutritionalist/personal trainer type of thing, and within three days I recieved over 200 results. I'm sure with the popularity of this JSF site you receive a lot of different offers/sponsors so Im pretty positive you know what I'm talking about
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Tue, October 3rd, 2006, 02:04 PM
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JVib is offline
Join Date: Apr 21st, 2006
Location: Central MA
Age: 40
Posts: 278
Sex: Male
Stats: 5' 11"
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I was going through this thread and stopped short on this pic. Damn!! You looked jacked-up in this pic. That is what I’m shooting for with my bulk (or several bulks, if that’s what it takes). When I took a look at your stats your arms were 16” on Nov 1st of 2005, but your arms appear much bigger.
The way your going your arms could be up around 18” by this Thanksgiving. Are you going to take another pic like this one for comparison?
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Waist Size: 31.25"
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Wed, October 4th, 2006, 05:01 PM
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EliteTraining is offline
Join Date: Aug 28th, 2006
Posts: 160
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John, I take it that you have no spotting/training partner while working out, so Im kinda curious how do you tackle something like the Bench press where unlike other excericses, if its too heavy, then theres great difficulty in putting it back on the rack? Ever had that happen to you where you just didnt have the strenght to go on?
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Thu, October 5th, 2006, 08:59 AM
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John Stone is offline
Join Date: Jan 20th, 2004
Location: Central Florida
Age: 41
Posts: 17,299
Sex: Male
Stats: 6', 199.6 pounds, 12.4% body fat (maintaining)
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But while we are on the topic, how did you know SUP2 and SGX was for u?
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I didn't. I decided to try SC's programs based on the many positive reviews I'd read. I had very good success on both plans, so I continued to use them.
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When I took a look at your stats your arms were 16” on Nov 1st of 2005, but your arms appear much bigger.
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I have more detailed stats here in my locally maintained logs, and when that picture was taken on Thanksgiving day 2005 my arms we a little over 16.5 inches (cold).
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The way your going your arms could be up around 18” by this Thanksgiving. Are you going to take another pic like this one for comparison?
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I tend to add 1/4 inch every two weeks when bulking, but those gains can't continue at that pace forever. However If do continue to add size to my arms at that rate, they should be around 18.25 - 18.5 inches (cold) by this Thanksgiving.
That particular picture was just a random candid shot that Lisa took. I had no plans to stage another shot for comparison purposes. Maybe I will since that's the only shirt I own that has sleeves. Just kidding.
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John, I take it that you have no spotting/training partner while working out, so Im kinda curious how do you tackle something like the Bench press where unlike other excericses, if its too heavy, then theres great difficulty in putting it back on the rack?
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The Titan has adjustable safety spotters, so I can safely bail out of barbell squats and bench presses when needed.
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Thu, October 5th, 2006, 08:27 PM
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stallion16 is offline
Join Date: Mar 6th, 2005
Age: 21
Posts: 600
Sex: Male
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Hey John, I have a couple of questions for you on key lifts that you do:
1) when doing deadlifts, what kind of grip do you usually use? And do you touch the bar to the floor, stop, and then lift again. Or is it a continuous movement?
2) When doign squats, do your hips swing back first before bending your knees? Do your knees ever go passed your toes when going down? And Do you go below parallel, I've had better results with going down all the way (ATG!) but some people say it's really bad on the knees.
thanks alot man, keep up the great work buddy. With that extra month of bulking, I'm actually rele excited to see you after your next cut
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Thu, October 5th, 2006, 08:50 PM
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John Stone is offline
Join Date: Jan 20th, 2004
Location: Central Florida
Age: 41
Posts: 17,299
Sex: Male
Stats: 6', 199.6 pounds, 12.4% body fat (maintaining)
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1) when doing deadlifts, what kind of grip do you usually use? And do you touch the bar to the floor, stop, and then lift again. Or is it a continuous movement?
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I use a double-overhand grip.
I lightly touch the bar to the floor, but I do not put it down, pause or take tension of my muscles.
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2) When doign squats, do your hips swing back first before bending your knees?
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I don't think so.
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Do your knees ever go passed your toes when going down?
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A little bit.
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And Do you go below parallel, I've had better results with going down all the way (ATG!)
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I usually go parallel, but sometimes go deeper for a change.
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thanks alot man, keep up the great work buddy. With that extra month of bulking, I'm actually rele excited to see you after your next cut 
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That makes two of us. Thank you.
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Thu, October 5th, 2006, 10:12 PM
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danboback is offline
Join Date: Feb 24th, 2004
Location: Canton, Ohio
Age: 24
Posts: 818
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After seeing how much mass you have added on your last couple of bulks, I can't imagine how big you will be come January. Good luck and keep lifting heavy!!
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Fri, October 6th, 2006, 02:34 AM
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Hardwork is offline
Join Date: Sep 29th, 2006
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john, do you have any "recent" measurements of your body??
looks awesome, as usual^^
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Fri, October 6th, 2006, 02:39 AM
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chicanerous is offline
Join Date: Feb 1st, 2004
Posts: 15,516
Sex: Male
Stats: 5'9"
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john, do you have any "recent" measurements of your body??
looks awesome, as usual^^
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Check out: http://www.johnstonefitness.com/php/stats.php
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Fri, October 6th, 2006, 09:43 AM
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Hardwork is offline
Join Date: Sep 29th, 2006
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thank you^^
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Fri, October 6th, 2006, 09:06 PM
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John Stone is offline
Join Date: Jan 20th, 2004
Location: Central Florida
Age: 41
Posts: 17,299
Sex: Male
Stats: 6', 199.6 pounds, 12.4% body fat (maintaining)
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