Help with Bulking Stack

[jst07]

I'm getting back into lifting after a few year hiatus. My goals primarily muscle bulking with a little fat loss (which I'm sure will happen just from working out and eating better). I'm currently 5'10" and 195lbs, 23 years old. I work out early mornings before work. Here are the products I am considering:

Pre-WO Protien: Optimum Nutrition Platinum Hydrowhey
Creatine/Intraworkout: Gaspari SizeON Max
Post-WO Protien/Meal Replacement: AtLargeNutrition Opticen
Multivitamin: Optimum Nutrition Opti-Men

Also Considering: Cellucor C4 - Haven't ever tried a Pre-WO NO supplment.

Does this look like a good setup? Do I need to add or remove any supplments or dosage times? If I did add the Cellucor C4, would there be any issue of too much Creatine since it contains 1000mg of Creatine Nitrate and the SizeON has 10g of Creatine? Thanks!

[mastover]

Gaining muscular weight is the sole function of the diet. You mention nothing regarding your nutrition. Supplements, whether bulking, cutting, or maintaining is 1-2% of the equation regarding the goal. Supplements I recommend (but are NOT required):
~ multi vitamin
~ creatine monohydrate
~ fish oil
that's about all. Protein powder is something I consider as a food source, and not a supplement. It'll be very difficult to hit your protein requirements for the day without protein powder. Your caloric intake, macro's, training is the key here...

[jst07]

Originally Posted by mastover

Gaining muscular weight is the sole function of the diet. You mention nothing regarding your nutrition. Supplements, whether bulking, cutting, or maintaining is 1-2% of the equation regarding the goal. Supplements I recommend (but are NOT required):
~ multi vitamin
~ creatine monohydrate
~ fish oil
that's about all. Protein powder is something I consider as a food source, and not a supplement. It'll be very difficult to hit your protein requirements for the day without protein powder. Your caloric intake, macro's, training is the key here...

My diet is average. I don't follow any strict regimen, just try to eat good foods. I am currently bulking. After reading up some more I've narrowed down on the following:

ON 100% Gold Standard (early Morning/ pre workout)
ALN Opticen (breakfast replacement/after workout)
Muscle Assult Creatine
Cellucor C4
ON Opti-Men
ON Fish Oil

Still open to recommendations to try and improve upon that

[mastover]

Originally Posted by jst07

My diet is average. I don't follow any strict regimen, just try to eat good foods.

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There is your issue, entirely. Your nutrition is 99% of the goal you are seeking.. Supplements are not going to help you whatsoever. Caloric intake/pro/carb/fat is the key to your goals.