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Old Fri, October 24th, 2008, 03:11 PM   #1
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Hi everyone

I'm new to this forum, though I've been aware of John Stone and his transformation for many years. I've decided to get in shape and my main priority is shedding fat before i start to build muscle.

I was hoping I could generalize my routine/diet here and if anyone has any advice/criticism on what I'm doing it would be greatly appreciated.

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34 yo
5'10"
186 lbs

I started on September 22nd at 198 lbs with a goal to hit 174 lbs by November 22nd. I've been using Fitday.com to track all my calories and weight loss progress and so far I'm right on track however I'm pretty sure I'm consuming too few calories.

My daily average over the last 4 weeks has been:

calories: 1363
fat: 19%
carbs:46%
protein: 27%
alcohol: 7%

As far as exercise goes - I use the elliptical machine at my gym 5 days/week and average 40 minutes. According to the machine I burn about 700 calories per session. Monday I do low weight high reps for chest, biceps, forearms. Wednesday I do the same for legs and abs/core and on Friday I do back, shoulders and triceps. I usually do 3 sets of 12/15 reps per muscle group.

I eat a pretty strict diet which is almost the same every day:

Morning: Oatmeal with frozen fruit, egg whites, almonds or coconut oil, coffee (regular)

Lunch: Chick pea salad or chick pea roti roll

Dinner: Protein shake, Lentil soup with Yves veggie gound and sometimes a bag of light popcorn.

I'm almost vegetarian so I only eat fish but I'm trying to consume very little of that too.

So I'm content with my fat loss so far, but I would like anyones opinion on whether I can do anything differently that might help my progress or if there's anything I'm doing blatantly wrong.

Thanks in advance!
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Old Fri, October 24th, 2008, 05:30 PM   #2
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Yeah, your calories look very low. I would try bumping them up to 2200-2400 or so.

Also, where is that 7% alcohol coming from?

As for the weights, you may be in the higher rep ranges but you should still be using as heavy a weight as you can while maintaining good form. Try to progress in either weight or reps every week.
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Old Fri, October 24th, 2008, 05:42 PM   #3
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Yikes. Low calories, Lots of cardio, Light weight, High Reps -- the odds are against you with this sort of approach when it comes to optimal body recomposition.

I would proceed very cautiously with this sort of plan, or better yet, fix it. More food, progressively heavier weights, cut back the cardio, and what you decide to keep, make it more performance/conditioning oriented rather than simply "I burn 700 calories by doing this" for 40 minutes.
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I was under the impression longer cardio sessions at lower heart rate was better for burning fat. I average about 145 BPM.
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Please keep in mind my aim is to lose fat - quickly. At this point I don't even care if I lose some muscle mass. Once I lose enough fat that I can look in the mirror and not be disgusted at the amount of body fat I have, then I'll get down to the business of building up muscle. At no point during my current routine am I ever weak or dizzy or even hungry. I take multi-vitamins and drink lots of water.

Do you still think my routine/diet is harmful?
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Old Sat, October 25th, 2008, 09:29 AM   #6
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Please keep in mind my aim is to lose fat - quickly. At this point I don't even care if I lose some muscle mass. Once I lose enough fat that I can look in the mirror and not be disgusted at the amount of body fat I have, then I'll get down to the business of building up muscle. At no point during my current routine am I ever weak or dizzy or even hungry. I take multi-vitamins and drink lots of water.

Do you still think my routine/diet is harmful?
Jerico, I'm no expert, but I have read that the minimum a male should consume in calories per day is 1,600 calories.

It's not just about muscle mass, sir.

Keep this in mind, your body needs calories merely to work in the first place. Say, for instance, your heart --- it needs, I believe 200-250 calories a day just to pump blood.

If you go too low, the various parts of your body don't get the calories they need to function.

But also, by consuming too few calories your body thinks that for some reason you're in a bad position and may need to try and store some. It does this by going into starvation mode, and it will store anything you provide it as fat.

In essence, when you eat fewer calories you could potentially get fatter. Of course, at first, you'll lose some, but eventually you'll plateau and it'll be bad news.

Instead, you should be trying to figure out where your Basic Metabolic Rate is for your age, height and weight. That BMR is basically how many calories you need a day if you were do absolutely nothing; just being alive.

Then you do some other very simple math (say, for instance, multiplying by 1.33 if you do light activity, 1.55 for moderate activity or 1.75 for very active). That would be how many calories you need per day just to maintain weight. 1 pound of fat is 3,500 calories. Take 3,500 calories and divide by 7 days a week. That's 500 calories per day less you need to consume in order to lose that 1 pound of fat a week (which is the healthy way to do it).

This is all in Marcus' Weight Loss Guide in the Introduction & Advice for Beginners forum. It's a sticky.

You really should go read that thread as well as Gravity's fat loss guide. They're both at the top of the forum, can't miss'em.

They'll really help you understand the entire process.

By the way, you'll lose far more fat if you lift weights. In fact, you'll lose more fat by lifting than by doing cardio. Period. Building muscle kicks your body's metabolism into overdrive and burns bunches of calories. If you're in a SLIGHT caloric deficit (not the extreme you're doing), your metabolism will tap the fat on you and burn it for energy.

Trust me, read those threads.
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