Hello all! yesterday I received a piece of correspondence in my mail from SDI-LABS located in Florida. That company is offering a new creatine product called CRE-X3 which they claim to be "a groundbreaking creatine fusion system vastly more anabolic than standard creatine". Has anyone ever heard of this product? tried it? if you tried it, what "benefits" did you get by using it? This product is explained on the website www.legalsteroids.com. I'd love to hear from those who have used CRE-X3. Regards.

Load of crap just like every other creatine product on the market except good ol' plain micronized creatine. Don't even bother looking at anything from a site that markets supposedly legal steroids that rip off the name of the real thing.... pathetic company that does nothing but rip off kids and naive adults.

Load of crap just like every other creatine product on the market except good ol' plain micronized creatine. Don't even bother looking at anything from a site that markets supposedly legal steroids that rip off the name of the real thing.... pathetic company that does nothing but rip off kids and naive adults.
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This product is a blend which contains Creatine Ethyl Ester. CEE has been rejected as a new dietary ingredient several times by the FDA since 2002 I believe, based on the lack of safety data. It may in fact work, I dont know as I havent tried it. The thing that worries me is that it is actually not approved as a dietary supplement, and cannot legally be sold as one. The NDI regulations are the part of DSHEA used to remove pro-hormones from the market. I would assume a similar crackdown on CEE would be forthcoming. This is why you dont see the companies who plan on staying around for a while marketing it. It is also possible that the companies who are selling it are simply unaware of the FDA status of this compound, which as a consumer leaves me with a few questions as well. I am not saying the companies are bad, or the compound is bad, just that it cannot be sold legally as a dietary supplement at this time due to it's rejection as a new dietary ingredient by the FDA based on lack of safety data.

This product is a blend which contains Creatine Ethyl Ester. CEE has been rejected as a new dietary ingredient several times by the FDA since 2002 I believe, based on the lack of safety data.
Eww... I was actually going to give the stuff a go in a few months but I didn't know that. If it can't be sold as a supplement, then how does VPX get away with selling CEX?

I've only used one creatine (http://beverlyinternational.com/products/creatineselect.html), and had great results so I had no need to try any others.

Eww... I was actually going to give the stuff a go in a few months but I didn't know that. If it can't be sold as a supplement, then how does VPX get away with selling CEX?

I really can't comment on what individual companies are doing and what motivates them, or whether they are within the FDA regulations or not. I can tell you what I personally I know about CEE. A submission as a new dietary ingredient was made by Pro-Nutrient Technologies, started by a pharmacologist from the University of Nebraska. It was rejected in 2002 and again in 2003 for an insufficient amount of safety data and/or the position by the FDA that the ingredient does not meet the definition of dietary ingredient. GNC had the patented product set for distribution earlier this year, but declined to move forward because of the NDI status.

Thanks, guys, for the comments on that product. You have convinced me to stay away from it. The creatine I now use is SAN's V12 which I stack with SAN's BOLT - waiting to see results! Regards.

Thanks so much for the info kn. I did some digging of my own and found the actual claims document.

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/95s0316/95s-0316-rpt0190-01-vol140.pdf

This part is especially interesting:

For the reasons discussed above, the information in your submission does not provide an adequate basis to conclude that creatine ethyl esters, when used under the conditions recommended or suggested in the labeling of your product, will reasonably be expected to be safe. Therefore, your product may be adulterated under 21 U.S.C. 342 as a dietary supplement that contains a new dietary ingredient for which there is inadequate infbrmation to
provide reasonable assurance that such ingredient does not present a significant or unreasonable risk of illness or injury. Introduction of such a product into interstate commerce is prohibited under 21 U.SC. 331
Another case of the importance of knowing what you're taking. Thanks again!

Just bumping this thread for a friend of mine who was interested in CEE info. :cool:

This is a really interesting topic. I've done a lot more research into it and it looks like this whole FDA dispute is a lot more aout political positioning between the supplement companies than it is about the safety or effectiveness of CEE. There are some very strange circumstances surrounding the lab reports commissioned by All American Pharmaceuticals (makers of rival supplement Kre-Alkalyn) and the lab chosen to run these tests (IBC). Here's a roundtable discussion from bb.com with the heads of a few of the key supplement companies that shows this...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/south96.htm

So I don't know what to make of it. All I know is that users of CEX are making a lot of noise about how effective the stuff is. Kent, what do you know about ester-izing something. For instance, I know that Ester-C is pretty common now, just esterfied vitamin C for increased absorption, but no one seems to be making any waves about that.

/me subscribes to this thread.

CEE is by far the best creatine supplement I have tried. The FDA has its head up the pharmaceutical industries ass. They fail to approve anything that they dont have too. but they approve a shitload of pharma drugs that are found to be unsafe and not any better than drugs whose patents have expired.

I have used CEX by VPX and Purecee caps by Scotts Finest. Both work about the same, though I prefer the caps- taste and convenience. And the NO stuff in CEX is just wasted money for me, but it was the only CEE available when I ordered.

I thought I would add to the CEE discussion. I have been taking bulk cee and there is no comparison to monohydrate. It is the best, period. No bloating, no loading, better results in the gym(much better). If you buy the cee in bulk it is cheaper. The tasts is bit over whelming.