Any ideas? Online tests estimate me everywhere from 3% to 13%...

Quality of pics are kinda poor...cheap webcam. Sorry about that.

Stomach unflexed before eating.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/Nohx/Picture028.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/Nohx/Picture029.jpg

Stomach flexed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/Nohx/Picture027.jpg

Thigh.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/Nohx/Picture021.jpg

Any idea? Thanks for looking.

like 7-9%, BULK!

No offense man, but those arms scare me. Bulk like crazy!

I have a bit of definition in my arms, heh.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/Nohx/Picture019.jpg

Problem with trying to bulk is I absolutely am not hungry enough to eat like crazy...to fill me up I need about 1500 calories, but I love eating and overeat to around 1800 - 2k a day usually as is, and it's on the healther side for food.

if you cannot possibly eat clean food, then eat garbage just get some mass on you bro. lift hard, and eat lots of carbs and protein!!

Problem with trying to bulk is I absolutely am not hungry enough to eat like crazy...to fill me up I need about 1500 calories, but I love eating and overeat to around 1800 - 2k a day usually as is, and it's on the healther side for food.


who said you need to be hungry to eat :)

who said you need to be hungry to eat :)

I havent felt hungry in about 2 months... what is that again? You definately should consider a bulk.

I would say you are 10ish maybe a bit lower.... more lean mass would be your friend :)

Your body is just like me from couple yrs back. my body fat at that time was like...9%?

I had same problem before, I was the skinniest guy in the class all the time. (well.. it was long time ago...) I didn't want to be called "oh you are skin and bone!!"

So I ate, ate, ate, and ate, Now my body works completely different. I have to watch what I eat or I'll gain weight quickly.

I am not a pro... other guys would give you more beneficial advice than me, but Few things I can say from my experience is,

1: Drink 2 servings of protein drink (weight gain protein) every day.
2: Eat every three hours.. small potions.. this worked very well!
3: If you're smoking, quit smoking. this worked for me too

Couple yrs ago, I weight only 117lbs, but now I am 142lbs! I am faaaaar away from everyone here, but as far as gaining weight and getting out of skinny myself, i think i did ok :)

what is your height and weight bro?

5 ft 10 inches, 117 pounds.

bulk bulk bulk!!!!!!

5 ft 10 inches, 117 pounds.
I'm the same height but 193lbs, feel free to take some of mine. ;)

I agree!!! Start eating! :gl:

Do you have an eating disorder? No insult intended.

Somewhere in the mid/high singles, as mentioned.

EAT. Seriously, you need to start eating right now. In fact, as soon as you're finished reading this sentence grab your wallet and hit up wendys for a big salad and three of their chicken burgers.

Not being hungry is no more an excuse to not gaining weight as being always hungry is to losing it. In both cases you have to overcome.

5 ft 10 inches, 117 pounds.

Do you have an eating disorder? No insult intended

I was thinking the exact same thing, the fact that you're not hungry shouldn't stop you from eating, and I really have a hard time believing you eat anywhere near 2,000 calories a day, and if you did, you're either burning way too many calories at the gym or maybe you have an extremely overactive thyroid or something, just stick to more calorie dense foods high in good fats, almonds are great, or just grab two slices of 7 grain bread and slather it with natural peanut butter :eat:

Everyone has an image of their ideal body composition, so i'm kinda curious as to what yours is.

Well i've been tracking my calorie intake...lately it's been between 1800 and 2400. I don't think i have an eating disorder...I love to eat, heh. Almost too much...when I'm eating breakfast I'm thinking about lunch, and when eating lunch I'm thinking about what I'll cook for dinner. Thing is though, when I eat alot all that happens is my stomach sticks out, then feel I fat until it's digested and i don't stop gonig back to the mirror.

I don't mind being lean, I just wish I could gain a bit of strength and a tiny bit of weight/muscle. Ideal body comp?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/Nohx/birthday10.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/Nohx/birthday2.jpg

Something like that. He has 6% body fat and a 25 inch waist. Weighs 127 and is 5'10. He's a Japanese singer, by the way.

Copy and pasted my nutrition from the past 3 days below. Another thing thoguh, I'm out of protein shakes and won't be ble to get any more for at least another week...any idea how to make up for the loss?


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Breakfast 10/25 Monday Calories Protein Cal total Protein total
1 cup oatmeal 160 5
1 cup milk 130 10
1 banana 100
1 TBSP Peanut Butter 100 3.5
3 TBSP Sugar 50 0 540 22

Lunch
1 cup chocolate milk 180 10
1 chicken patty 200 12
1/3 cup tuna 50 6
2 TBSP ketchup 30 0 460 28

Dinner
1/2 ham quesadilla 350 25
1/4 apple 0
1/2 banana 50 0
1/2 cup milk 70 5
1/2 cup cottage cheese 50 6.5 520 36.5

Workout
1 chocolate whey shake 275 25 1800 106
NET TOTAL 1800 106

Breakfast 10/26 Tuesday
1 bagel 260 9
1/2 cup milk 70 5
1 TBSP Peanutbutter 100 4
Creamcheese/jelly 300 6
1/2 apple 50 0 780 24

Lunch
1 hamburger patty 250 12
1 cup Chocolate milk 180 10
1/3 cup tuna 30 6
Misc 80 0 540 28

Dinner
Cottage cheese fruit salad 175 7
1 1/2 pancake with syrup 200 4
Cheese and Chicken Burrito 400 15
2/3 cup milk 80 6 855 32
Mango Mousse 250 0 1160 32
NET TOTAL 2325 84

Breakfast 10/27 Wedensday
3 pancakes with syrup 500 5
Eggs with ham and cheese 400 20
1/2 cup milk 60 5 960 30

Lunch
Chinese Chicken Salad Est. 300 - 350 20
1 cup choclate milk 160 9 510 29

Looking at your ideal image, I can understand why you're so lean, I still think you're just a little too thin, but as long as you're otherwise healthy and physically alright, that's all that really matters, so I can definitely respect that :nod:

Oh, and you're not too far off from your ideal physique, so keep it up!

Edit: Just substitute real foods for the protein shake if you can't get any this week, it's not going to hurt your progress any.

i think you could clean up your diet alot, start eating twice as many meals, and eat tons more fruit/veg

eat more meat protein, eat better carbs (oats for breakfast! bagals suck)
i think you know chocolate milk aint good for you, as with jelly/cream cheese, also after your workout load up on carbs, but try to make sure you are getting a protein source 6 times a day, try getting at least 20g complete protein per meal, eat fruit/vegies with as many meals and possible and keep it clean :) oh yeah dont forget healthy fats, salmon is the best, fish-oil caps are good, also walnuts are fine

Thing is though, when I eat alot all that happens is my stomach sticks out, then feel I fat until it's digested and i don't stop gonig back to the mirror.To me, this isn't a healthy behaviour. I think you are way to skinny and your BMI is only 16,8 and a BMI under 17.5 interprets as serious underweight and the limit for anorexia is put at a BMI of less than 17.5.

On this site and many other you can find information on anorexia:
http://web4health.info/en/answers/ed-dia-anorexia.htm

And here are some things that you can think of that can be found on the site above:


The limit for anorexia is usually put at a BMI of less than 17.5.
Those who either won't or can't eat sufficient food are classified as having anorexia nervosa.
The desire to avoid eating too much is often combined with an excessive fear of becoming fat and extreme notions about wholesome and unwholesome food.
Those with anorexia frequently deny that they are underweight, or ill, just as alcoholics deny that they are addicted to alcohol.


I think all of the things in the list above is exactly right on your description of yourself. And I think the pictures also tells us that it isn't ok.

Please eat more or get help! :d_frown:

He has 6% body fat and a 25 inch waist. Weighs 127 and is 5'10.Those ideal are the big problem! :(

To me, this isn't a healthy behaviour. I think you are way to skinny and your BMI is only 16,8 and a BMI under 17.5 interprets as serious underweight and the limit for anorexia is put at a BMI of less than 17.5.

There's people on these forums who weigh over 200 and eat fewer calories a day then me, and I don't snack...I really don't think it's a big deal. I just had a large bowl of oatmeal with sugar and raisins, and a banana with peanut butter...that's hardly anorexic behavior.

Nor is going out Friday night's and eating like I do at restaurants...more along the lines of gluttony. =X

Thing is though, when I eat alot all that happens is my stomach sticks out, then feel I fat until it's digested and i don't stop gonig back to the mirror.You said that you don't have an eating disorder, but with a bodyfat as low as yours and a weight as low as yours, what you said above is indicative of something that needs to be taken care of. Anybody who's even mildly thin will bloat out as they eat. The food and liquid has to go somewhere. Bodybuilders on stage will always have an empty stomach. Just don't look at yourself in the mirror after eating because NOBODY looks good after that.

There's people on these forums who weigh over 200 and eat fewer calories a day then me, and I don't snack...I really don't think it's a big deal. I just had a large bowl of oatmeal with sugar and raisins, and a banana with peanut butter...that's hardly anorexic behavior.

Nor is going out Friday night's and eating like I do at restaurants...more along the lines of gluttony. =XI think all people with anorexia eats food, but not enough food so they will gain weight. Maybe they will eat one big meal and then they feel fat and will not eat for some hours etc.

If you have 16,8 in BMI and feel fat after a big meal, I think it is a anorectic behaviour. I don't think it matter if you eat a lot of food, if you have anorexia or not, I think it is the attitude to the food and your weight. You need to eat more and you need to gain weight and I don't mean muscles.

Can you be honest and say that any of those four items, in the list I posted, doesn't correspond to you?

EDIT: Correct BMI

for the love of God, eat. You are definitely below 10%bf.

To look like those people you posted pictures of, you would need to gain weight. Period. They look lean and skinny, but healthy. You will not look like them eating what you are eating. They have more fat on them then you do. That guy is not 6%.

Evidently, if your eating what you say your eating, then you have a very very fast metabolism and a highly overactive thyroid. Cant be helped. Not your fault, i agree with you, there are people here who eat less then you. :nod:

However, what you fail to understand is that everyone is different and as a consequence of that, everyones bodys works in different ways. What is a lot of food for some people is peanuts to others. Ive seen 200lb people who have cut on well over 2500 cals. Others at 200lbs cut at sub 2500 cals. It all depends on how your body reacts. So just because your eating around the magic 2000 cals, doesnt mean thats whats best for you. You have to eat MORE then that. Your body needs more. And you owe it to yourself to eat more. Ill bet if you took in 3000 cals a day at your low weight, you still wouldnt gain any fat. Seriously. So use your body type to your advantage, most people would kill to be able to bulk on 3500 cals and not gain fat ! Most people would love to cheat and not gain fat.

You gotta change your diet and eat, even when not hungry, eat. Whoever in this thread said the following was spot on. Like a fat guy loosing weight has to not eat when hes hungry, a skinny guy gaining weight has to eat when he's not.

If you want to look like those pics, you are gonna have to eat. End of.

I wish you good luck and good health. :nod:

Aside from eating massive amounts of food...what, in general, else is necesarry for muscle gain while bulking? Like what types of general workout routines? What types of workout? When? Any info appreciated.

I have my own little workout/exercise routine but it seems to burn calories and not add muscle, just stays the same...although I do lift weights on a bench press. Another thing though, as far as exercise equipment goes, I only have a bench press and some dumbells.

Aside from eating massive amounts of food...what, in general, else is necesarry for muscle gain while bulking? Like what types of general workout routines? What types of workout? When? Any info appreciated.

I have my own little workout/exercise routine but it seems to burn calories and not add muscle, just stays the same...although I do lift weights on a bench press. Another thing though, as far as exercise equipment goes, I only have a bench press and some dumbells.

The same as cutting, your actual workout is not as important as the proper nutritional plan, although i'm not a huge believer in some of the numbers and theories, this John Berardi (http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/masseating_rl_1.htm) article on massive eating is a very interesting read.

I think you will reach your ideal any time from now. I love your abs, I wish mine was of that character, like long and flat, but still defined. I guess you could work your chest abit, that japaneese guy seem to have done alot of pushups and so forth. Keep the work up, drink a hell load of skim milk if you can´t eat proper meals all the time, I think that could help you, It´s always easier to drink than to eat, even when you´re full!.

dude you are not annorexic lol, dont let them bother you by saying shit like that, yeah you probably need to eat more and shit, but looking at your gut after a meal is normal lol, hell i do it sometimes cause yeah you look bloated, but its only normal. Honestly the amount of food you are eating now is healthy enough, but if you want to get big id up your carb intake to about 200grams and protein to about the same(to gain mass), making sure you eat enough EFA's (about 60 grams clean fats)as well while you're at it (fat). I have friends that eat and dont gain a pound either, dont let people get you down about it. Just keep workin out and up that intake!

PEACE`

With your build and troubles gaining weight, you are really a hard gainer.

You want very short, but effective workout. Half-hour or less.

Try this:
- Set x Reps: 3x8
- Tempo: 311 (3 sec. lowering, 1 sec pause, 1 sec lift)
- Rest: 1 min between each lift
- Note: Rep scheme goes A1, rest, A2, rest, A1, rest... Then B1, rest, B2, rest...

Day 1:
A1) 30 degree Incline Bench Press
A2) Bent-over Row
B1) Squat
B2) Calf Press

Day 2: Rest

Day 3:
A1) Pullup
A2) Dip
B1) Deadlift
B2) Dumbbell Military Press

Day 4: Rest

Go back to Day 1 and repeat the cycle

Cardio: None

Diet:
- 2500 Calories/Day
- 140 g protein (560 cals)
- 243 g carbs (970 cals) (all complex carbs, except workout nutrition)
- 108 g fat (970 cals) (all monounsaturated and polyunsaturated)
- If you don't gain 0.5lb to 1lb per week, add 200 more calories per day per week until you gain again (that's roughly 25 g carbs, 11 g fat)
- Eat 6 meals per day (breakfast, mid-morning, lunch, mid-afternoon, dinner, before bed) AND have your workout nutrition. That's only around 400 calories per meal when broken up.
- Track your diet at Fit Day (http://www.fitday.com) to make sure you get enough

Workout Nutrition:
- Pre-workout: 1/2 protein shake w/ 2:1 Carb to Protein ratio (30 g carb, 15 g protein)
- Post-workout: full protein shake w/ 2:1 Carb to Protein ratio (60 g carb, 30 g protein)
- Example: Banana, 1 cup skim milk, 1 scoop whey protein

Do this for 8 - 12 weeks and update us w/ results. You should start gaining some good muscle mass.

I know a guy who looked almost identical to your pics. Except he was 5'9" and only 104lbs or something crazy.

He had a gf who was a bit of a health nut and wanted a hot guy with big muscles, so he went on a massive workout and eating binge for over a year (havent seen him since university, dunno how he is doing now). Dunno if it would work for you, but he drank 2 boost drinks a day, ate 6 meals a day and had 2 protein shakes. His calorie intake was insane, somewhere around 4500 - 5000 cal a day.

I dont know much about his workout routine or how "clean" he was eating. He was just an aquaintance at university. However, in the time I knew him he managed to put on nearly 20lbs of muscle. He looked DAMN good. I remember we both used the scale at the gym.. I was soo proud to be 160lbs, and he was taller then me and only weighed like 125lbs! If he gained any fat (and I dont think he did) he looked like he didnt because the muscle definition was quite amazing.