I have always been a Sarah Carter fan.

Not too big, not too small, well cut.

http://www.muaythai-fighting.com/images/Muay-Thai-Fighter-Buakaw-Por-Pramuk-2.jpg

I have always been obsessed w/ Jean Claude van damme~ I think he has the hottest male body ever! :drool:


Also, the new miss america has a great body, this is what I hope to achieve. She has really nice quads and calves. :nod:

Bill Pearl.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3293/billpearlnz5.jpg

Some rastafari dude with great abs.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7291/56585tricepsgg8.jpg

Some rastafari dude with great abs.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7291/56585tricepsgg8.jpg

That's Ulisses Jr. He's competed in the MuscleMania and has done modeling for quite a while.

Here's his website:

http://www.ulissesjr.com/home.htm

I want to look like him one day myself. :)

- Skip :)

don't be fooled those bigger guys are not taking CELL-TECH they are on full on juice cycles not that there is anything wrong with that but you have to be realistic in your goals. If you want to look like them you may have to take a trip to the DARK SIDE.....................:confused:

I respect Hugh Jacked-man because he is naturally thin and must have really worked hard to bulk up for Wolverine. Naturally, I picked a guy with the chest I'd like to have.

I have always been obsessed w/ Jean Claude van damme~ I think he has the hottest male body ever! :drool:


Plus, he beat up Chong Li...which is pretty damned impressive.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6808/229389268a161230d7eoku5.jpg


* JCVD only won because Chong Li took a dive

don't be fooled those bigger guys are not taking CELL-TECH they are on full on juice cycles not that there is anything wrong with that but you have to be realistic in your goals. If you want to look like them you may have to take a trip to the DARK SIDE.....................:confused:

Yeah, because years of eating big and lifting heavy weights won't get you anywhere...:rolleyes:

http://www.vivaelrosa.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/darek.jpg :bb:

This is a Spanish bodybuilding Champion (WABBA), training and nutrition expert, Juan Antonio Beitia. I met him twice last week. Tuesday he gave us a seminar on nutrition at our gym and Sunday he was visiting the new Valencia zoo (http://www.bioparcvalencia.es) with his little girls, I was there with mine too. A great person.

http://www.fisicosalud.com/biografias-culturistas/juan-antonio-beitia/pectoral-juan-antonio-beitia-culturista.jpg


http://www.fisicosalud.com/biografias-culturistas/juan-antonio-beitia/juan-antonio-beitia-playa.jpg

This right here is what I am striving for

http://www.fisicosalud.com/biografias-culturistas/juan-antonio-beitia/juan-antonio-beitia-playa.jpg


Damn. I think the ancient Greeks would be hardpressed to sculpt a better body than that. He does seem a little wide in the middle, but considering how lean he is, it can't reasonably be fat.

Wow.

I'm looking for more of a swimmer's build.

http://www.timalanstudios.com/images/phelps.jpg

This is a Spanish bodybuilding Champion (WABBA), training and nutrition expert, Juan Antonio Beitia. I met him twice last week. Tuesday he gave us a seminar on nutrition at our gym and Sunday he was visiting the new Valencia zoo (http://www.bioparcvalencia.es) with his little girls, I was there with mine too. A great person.

http://www.fisicosalud.com/biografias-culturistas/juan-antonio-beitia/pectoral-juan-antonio-beitia-culturista.jpg


http://www.fisicosalud.com/biografias-culturistas/juan-antonio-beitia/juan-antonio-beitia-playa.jpg

He looks thick and dense.

Awesome.

Now he's retired from Competition and not as big, but he was competing for more than 20 years, since 18. His curriculum is really impressive.

FORMACIÓN DEPORTIVA
Entrenador nacional por la federación española de halterofilia y fisicoculturismo.
Entrenador nacional por W.A.B.B.A. ( World Amateur Bodybuilding Asosiation).
Entrenador nacional por la N.A.B.B.A.
Titulado por la escuela francesa de cultura física como profesor de cultura física y fitness.
Curso de nutrición deportiva especializada en fisicoculturismo y fitness por la Universidad de Berkeley, California. ( USA).
TRAYECTORIA DEPORTIVA.
- Campeonato España 87 IFBB 3º clasificado / semipesado
- Campeonato Olimpia 89 IFBB--- 2º “ / peso pesado
- Campeonato Olimpia 90 IFBB--- 3º “ / peso pesado
- Campeonato España 92 NABBA ------- Campeón de España y absoluto
- Campeonato Europa 92 NABBA ---------- 5º clas.
- Campeonato Europa 93 NABBA ---------- 6º clas.
- Mr. Universo NABBA 93 -------------------- 9º clas.
- Copa España WABBA 94-------------------- 1º clas.
- Mr. Universo NABBA 94------------------- 7º clas.
- Copa de España WABBA 96 ---------------- 2º clas.
- Campeonato del Mundo WABBA 96 ------- 6º clas.
- Copa España WABBA 97 -------------------- 2º clas.
- Campeonato del Mundo WABBA 97 ------- finalista
- Copa España WABBA 2000 ----------------- 2º clas.
- Campeonato del Mundo WABBA ----------- 6º clas.
- Campeonato España WABBA 2002 --------- 1º clas.
- Copa de España WABBA 2002--------------- 1º clas.
- Campeonato del Mundo NABBA 2002------ 3º clas.
- Campeonato del Mundo WABBA 2002----- 2º clas.
- Mr. Universo 2002 ----------------------------- 1º cla


http://www.fisicosalud.com/biografias-culturistas/juan-antonio-beitia/
http://www.aptavs.com/profesores/juan-antonio-beitia.asp

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8468/inspirationct3.jpg

*Looks up*.

I'm with Maya! I don't know about the rest of the guys here, but shirtless dudes don't motivate me much! :confused:

THIS motivates me... 'cause if she can do it, I ought to be able to pull something pretty cool off myself. BTW, that's Jamie Eason. Rising figure class competitor... and generally gorgeous crush of the week for me.

http://static.pws.xc.advection.net/uis/364972

'Nuff said.

-R

Now he's retired from Competition and not as big...

Ahh yes the side effect of stopping 'roids

*Looks up*.

I'm with Maya! I don't know about the rest of the guys here, but shirtless dudes don't motivate me much! ...

The pic I have most recently posted is a friend of Maya and I's. Its truly an inspiration to see what this man has done to his body over the years, naturally at that. :tu:

Besides that, I don't need pics of women for inspiration, I have Maya :p lol... Nuff said

Ahh yes the side effect of stopping 'roids

Merk,

I don't mean to tell you wrong, and of course I don't put my hand in the fire for anybody, but NABBA and WABBA are amateur organisations and I understand they do drug tests.

When you stop training for competition you lose size. His joints are probably happy about that.

Merk,

I don't mean to tell you wrong, and of course I don't put my hand in the fire for anybody, but NABBA and WABBA are amateur organisations and I understand they do drug tests.

When you stop training for competition you lose size. His joints are probably happy about that.

I know where you are coming from. But I mean all organizations tend to say they have some sort of "drug testing". About the only organization I have seen that is a MAJOR stickler with drug testing is the INBA and its affiliates (which claim to have some of the best testing out there.)

To obtain that specific look he holds, you don't obtain that naturally. Its an unfortunate thing. I remember seeing an interview with Bob Cicherillo and Tom Prince shortly after Tom Prince' retirement from the IFBB and he was saying he didn't take steriods but only HGH...:rolleyes: (this interview was within the past couple of years)

Funny...you look at Tom Prince now and he is a rather small lad, compared to his years in the IFBB he is a stick!! Same with Yates, Platz, Arnold, Draper, and so on. About the only one I have seen that has held an amazing physique is Frank Zane. But Zane was never a puffy, swollen looking guy. Heck the guy was under 180 lbs on stage which for elite bodybuilders, even in his day, is quite small.

Don't let guys of such a pro status fool you into thinking they got to that point naturally...they didn't, trust me.

I know it took me a long time to accept that guys I had idolized for many years in the bodybuilding realm took gear. What really saddens me, even to this day is that I will NEVER obtain that look without gear. Its too bad.

Edit: Out of curiosity, What type of "testing" does do the WABBA and NABBA provide?

*Looks up*.

I'm with Maya! I don't know about the rest of the guys here, but shirtless dudes don't motivate me much! :confused:

THIS motivates me... 'cause if she can do it, I ought to be able to pull something pretty cool off myself. BTW, that's Jamie Eason. Rising figure class competitor... and generally gorgeous crush of the week for me.

http://static.pws.xc.advection.net/uis/364972

'Nuff said.

-R

Jamie... :dreamy:

Edit: Out of curiosity, What type of "testing" does do the WABBA and NABBA provide?

I don't know, their rules say they do drug testing, but I don't know which tests.

You're probably right, it's most unlikely that someone can get that body without roids, and I would never do that (probably wouldn't get there either, even with roids), I'm more into maintaining a good health and getting to my old age in the best posible shape and health. I do more running and swimming than lifting.

I know where you are coming from. But I mean all organizations tend to say they have some sort of "drug testing". About the only organization I have seen that is a MAJOR stickler with drug testing is the INBA and its affiliates (which claim to have some of the best testing out there.)

To obtain that specific look he holds, you don't obtain that naturally. Its an unfortunate thing. I remember seeing an interview with Bob Cicherillo and Tom Prince shortly after Tom Prince' retirement from the IFBB and he was saying he didn't take steriods but only HGH...:rolleyes: (this interview was within the past couple of years)

Funny...you look at Tom Prince now and he is a rather small lad, compared to his years in the IFBB he is a stick!! Same with Yates, Platz, Arnold, Draper, and so on. About the only one I have seen that has held an amazing physique is Frank Zane. But Zane was never a puffy, swollen looking guy. Heck the guy was under 180 lbs on stage which for elite bodybuilders, even in his day, is quite small.

Don't let guys of such a pro status fool you into thinking they got to that point naturally...they didn't, trust me.

I know it took me a long time to accept that guys I had idolized for many years in the bodybuilding realm took gear. What really saddens me, even to this day is that I will NEVER obtain that look without gear. Its too bad.

Edit: Out of curiosity, What type of "testing" does do the WABBA and NABBA provide?

I understand where your views are coming from and I agree that achieving what most pro's have achieved is almost impossible due to a mixture of drug use and genetics.

However, I think for the most part that dismissing what these guys have built just because of it being unnatural is not exactly fair or smart. There are thousands of gym rats who abuse gear but look NOTHING like Arnold, Zane, Yates or some of the more modern bbers like Lee Priest or Dexter Jackson. You need to apply years of hard work, and dedication in both the kitchen and the gym in order to get the most out of whatever 'assistance' you have. I have personally seen quite a few 'bodybuilders' who abuse HGH, insulin, and juice and look like absolute crap.

I understand that it's important to see the reality from the 'smoke and mirrors', but I also believe it is very important to have such legendary figures for motivation and inspiration. I have always idolized the classics (arnold, serge nubret, etc) but I knew I never wanted to (or could) look that big. But instead of losing heart and throwing their pictures into the trash (figuratively and literally), I took a page from their training methods and attitudes and saw ways with which I could learn from these guys.

So what I am saying is that yes we need to realize what is possible naturally and what isn't, but I think for some people constant mention of steroids can make us unintentionally set barriers on our OWN training and mindsets. I don't know if you get what I mean. I am trying to say, I guess, that pro bodybuilders are a great motivational tool.

I also think that there are plenty of natural bbers out there who look fantastic and have good size. I also think that for anyone who reaches an advanced stage in bodybuilding, he will understand his genetics to the point that he knows his limits, what works for him and what exactly he can achieve.

I understand where your views are coming from and I agree that achieving what most pro's have achieved is almost impossible due to a mixture of drug use and genetics.

However, I think for the most part that dismissing what these guys have built just because of it being unnatural is not exactly fair or smart. There are thousands of gym rats who abuse gear but look NOTHING like Arnold, Zane, Yates or some of the more modern bbers like Lee Priest or Dexter Jackson. You need to apply years of hard work, and dedication in both the kitchen and the gym in order to get the most out of whatever 'assistance' you have. I have personally seen quite a few 'bodybuilders' who abuse HGH, insulin, and juice and look like absolute crap.

I understand that it's important to see the reality from the 'smoke and mirrors', but I also believe it is very important to have such legendary figures for motivation and inspiration. I have always idolized the classics (arnold, serge nubret, etc) but I knew I never wanted to (or could) look that big. But instead of losing heart and throwing their pictures into the trash (figuratively and literally), I took a page from their training methods and attitudes and saw ways with which I could learn from these guys.

So what I am saying is that yes we need to realize what is possible naturally and what isn't, but I think for some people constant mention of steroids can make us unintentionally set barriers on our OWN training and mindsets. I don't know if you get what I mean. I am trying to say, I guess, that pro bodybuilders are a great motivational tool.

I also think that there are plenty of natural bbers out there who look fantastic and have good size. I also think that for anyone who reaches an advanced stage in bodybuilding, he will understand his genetics to the point that he knows his limits, what works for him and what exactly he can achieve.

People often mention roids because esp. in competition circle they ARE often abused. (that AND GH, diet drugs, insuline etc. ) This is reality. I was "advised" to take stuff (as something totally "normal") because apparently without it I would achieve "serious" results.

Personally I would like to see more natural athletes.. true naturals, not people who took roids, took a few year break from them and then competed.
I would like to see what CAN be achieved naturally.

Of course we know that enhanced pro athletes train very very hard, they eat perfectly..... but we have to realise that their look cannot be something we can set as our goal.
To me these guys/girls are not role models.
I'm not condemning what they do. It's their choice.

This thread I think went from "what my goal is" to "what I find attractive".
Sure some can find 'enhanced' look attractive.... but realistically I don't think we should set that look as our goal (unless of course one chooses to get help from the medications ;)).

Dunno if this has been posted yet, but anyone got some love for Eugen Sandow?

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8048/sandowwz6.jpg

Dunno if this has been posted yet, but anyone got some love for Eugen Sandow?

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8048/sandowwz6.jpg

I like Sandow because all the pictures of him appear so "hard." There's a certain softness that I perceive in pros with grease all over their bodies, even those with striations, so it may just be the lighting and lack of oil on Sandow that gives him his look. It might also be the jagged-ness of his abs - the way they fit together like a puzzle instead of being perfectly rounded like Mr. Ulysses Jr.'s abs posted awhile back.

Either way, Sandow's physique seems achievable naturally* and awesome.

*I'm pretty sure Sandow's peak was right around the time when people first started trying to develops steroids... mostly by injecting themselves with raw bull semen. It, uh, didn't do anything.

People often mention roids because esp. in competition circle they ARE often abused. (that AND GH, diet drugs, insuline etc. ) This is reality. I was "advised" to take stuff (as something totally "normal") because apparently without it I would achieve "serious" results.

Personally I would like to see more natural athletes.. true naturals, not people who took roids, took a few year break from them and then competed.
I would like to see what CAN be achieved naturally.

Of course we know that enhanced pro athletes train very very hard, they eat perfectly..... but we have to realise that their look cannot be something we can set as our goal.
To me these guys/girls are not role models.
I'm not condemning what they do. It's their choice.

This thread I think went from "what my goal is" to "what I find attractive".
Sure some can find 'enhanced' look attractive.... but realistically I don't think we should set that look as our goal (unless of course one chooses to get help from the medications ;)).

Call me a dumb hillbilly, but what is your point? It just sounds to me like a lot of people are blaming steroids on anyone who makes more muscular progress than them. Seriously the only people I have known or spoken to who were ever even concerned with what their genetics could or couldn't give them were just weak and out of shape. I have been lucky enough to train with a couple of powerlifter recently. Aside from the massive amounts of food they would gulp down, one thing was very apparent. They trained with intensity. It is a skill to turn off your brain and take your body to new levels of pain and work that it has never gone through. I believe that this is the 'X Factor' when it comes to training with weights and body composition.

It's late and maybe I am overthinking this, but right now I am sitting here frustrated because it sounds like everyone here thinks it is practically impossible to get imposing muscular size with a decently low bodyfat. I do not believe that there is some planet-wide conspiracy where every bodbuilder or strength athlete or figure competitor who has decent muscle mass and a low bodyfat is actually taking steroids but telling everyone else (including each other) that they are clean and have never touched a needle.

Let's be realistic here for a second. Before Arnold men lifted weights hard and ate a lot of food. And they built muscle. And now suddenly when steroids are known to the general public they are being used as every scape goat on anyone who makes any good progress. I know and have trained with many big guys who are clean (and I know them well enough to know that they are not lieing).

I am just not buying the concept that everything I have read, seen or heard from any bodybuilder who has come from nothing into something is a lie. This is one of the reasons why I hate Stuart McRobert's books. He is a good trainer who knows the basics of building muscle (heavy compounds, lots of time and food), but I think his views on steroids in bodybuilding were just ridiculous. After I read 'Beyond Brawn' I got the idea that he thought everyone has horrible recovery, and that anyone who can handle training fullbody 3x a week with decent volume has 'great genetics' or is on steroids.

About your comment on pro's eating perfectly and working very hard... yes this is obviously true, but I don't think anyone has ever said building muscle and losing fat doesn't require a lot of hard work and determination. It is not easy. But if you want it hard enough, you can make it happen. There's a reason why we see a lot of fat and out of shape people walking around. These are the same people who hear that 'fat' is good for you, and will then use this to make themselves feel less guilty when they sit down for lunch at McD.

I think most people who have decent genetics and work hard for years can make very good progress.

bleh... I'm angry.:mad:

http://static.pws.xc.advection.net/uis/364972I liked the way Jamie Eason looked a lot better before she started doing so much modelling. I usually prefer the "outdoorsy sporty adverturer" look, rather than the finely sculpted "piece of art" look.

Here's what she looked like in 2005, as photographed by John Stutz. They're still a little bit too "posed" for me to find them completely beautiful, but I think they're a little more natural looking than the above.
http://www.johnstutz.com/images/galleries/fit_girls/jamie_eason/Jamie_Eason-A213-med.jpg
http://www.johnstutz.com/images/galleries/fit_girls/jamie_eason/Jamie_Eason-A075-med.jpg
http://www.johnstutz.com/images/galleries/fit_girls/jamie_eason/Jamie_Eason-A259-med.jpg

Also really like this one of Maggie Diubaldo much more than how she currently (http://www.irun.com/users/1505/pictures/IMG_9492re.jpg) looks.
http://www.johnstutz.com/images/galleries/fit_girls/maggie_diubaldo/maggie_diubaldo-A156-med.jpg
This thread I think went from "what my goal is" to "what I find attractive :nod: After about the first page. :)

Sure some can find 'enhanced' look attractive.... but realistically I don't think we should set that look as our goal (unless of course one chooses to get help).
Well, there are lots of different things that can "enhance" a photo. A good make-up artist, a fantastic wardrobe, a great locale, perfect lighting, a talented photographer, and many, many, other things. We can set that image up as inspiration for ourselves, but I do think we need to keep in mind what those individuals had to go through to get to that route, and decide if we want to make those same choices, and be enhanced in those same ways.

It would be pretty silly if I felt bad that I didn't look like Ms. Eason each morning when I stepped out of the shower. :)

This thread I think went from "what my goal is" to "what I find attractive".


Alot of times, these are one and the same. People choose goals that match what they find attractive.....but, I see your point. It has mostly turned into a thread where guys post pictures of "hot chicks"....which, is usually the inevitable fate of any thread entitled "perfect body gallery". Somebody started a performance-oriented thread awhile back to try and offset this tendency, but, that too ended up with guys posting pictures of scantily-clad women in spandex doing something performance-y, like jumping for a volleyball or something. Not that I mind, but, I honestly don't think these kind of threads can go in any other direction.

Sure some can find 'enhanced' look attractive.

I can't imagine anybody wanting to look like an IFBB pro.....

Call me a dumb hillbilly, but what is your point? It just sounds to me like a lot of people are blaming steroids on anyone who makes more muscular progress than them.

She didn't say any of that ... she just said that it doesn't make sense to use heavily drugged up bodybuilders (e.g. IFBB pros) as your physique goals if you plan to stay natural...which, I think makes alot of sense. I honestly don't much care who juices and who doesn't .... It is pretty easy to make progress as a natural if you train hard and eat right. Besides, steroids aren't a magic potion anyway....(take a look in the steroid section on BB.com and you'll see what I mean).

She didn't say any of that ... she just said that it doesn't make sense to use heavily drugged up bodybuilders (e.g. IFBB pros) as your physique goals if you plan to stay natural...which, I think makes alot of sense. I honestly don't much care who juices and who doesn't .... It is pretty easy to make progress as a natural if you train hard and eat right. Besides, steroids aren't a magic potion anyway....(take a look in the steroid section on BB.com and you'll see what I mean).

I agree with you 1000%. Actually in that sentence you quoted I didn't write what I thought she wrote, rather what I have noticed. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Anyway, lets get this thread back on track.

Moar Pix!

This is what i put together a while ago...
these bodies may seem a little pretenious to others, but to me, they are sexy! I had it as my desktop for a little bit, until i had friends over they thought i was an undercover lesbian or something! Hehe..

Little bit of a different collage to what other people have posted, but i hope they inspire some others as much as me!

I know if i put my head to it, and after my accident recovery i will be determined to look as good as these women, if not BETTER!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/dfunq/motivation.jpg

This is my ultimate goal.

Call me a dumb hillbilly, but what is your point? It just sounds to me like a lot of people are blaming steroids on anyone who makes more muscular progress than them. Seriously the only people I have known or spoken to who were ever even concerned with what their genetics could or couldn't give them were just weak and out of shape. I have been lucky enough to train with a couple of powerlifter recently. Aside from the massive amounts of food they would gulp down, one thing was very apparent. They trained with intensity. It is a skill to turn off your brain and take your body to new levels of pain and work that it has never gone through. I believe that this is the 'X Factor' when it comes to training with weights and body composition.

It's late and maybe I am overthinking this, but right now I am sitting here frustrated because it sounds like everyone here thinks it is practically impossible to get imposing muscular size with a decently low bodyfat. I do not believe that there is some planet-wide conspiracy where every bodbuilder or strength athlete or figure competitor who has decent muscle mass and a low bodyfat is actually taking steroids but telling everyone else (including each other) that they are clean and have never touched a needle.

Let's be realistic here for a second. Before Arnold men lifted weights hard and ate a lot of food. And they built muscle. And now suddenly when steroids are known to the general public they are being used as every scape goat on anyone who makes any good progress. I know and have trained with many big guys who are clean (and I know them well enough to know that they are not lieing).

I am just not buying the concept that everything I have read, seen or heard from any bodybuilder who has come from nothing into something is a lie. This is one of the reasons why I hate Stuart McRobert's books. He is a good trainer who knows the basics of building muscle (heavy compounds, lots of time and food), but I think his views on steroids in bodybuilding were just ridiculous. After I read 'Beyond Brawn' I got the idea that he thought everyone has horrible recovery, and that anyone who can handle training fullbody 3x a week with decent volume has 'great genetics' or is on steroids.

About your comment on pro's eating perfectly and working very hard... yes this is obviously true, but I don't think anyone has ever said building muscle and losing fat doesn't require a lot of hard work and determination. It is not easy. But if you want it hard enough, you can make it happen. There's a reason why we see a lot of fat and out of shape people walking around. These are the same people who hear that 'fat' is good for you, and will then use this to make themselves feel less guilty when they sit down for lunch at McD.

I think most people who have decent genetics and work hard for years can make very good progress.

bleh... I'm angry.:mad:

Sorry dude but I don't agree with you. I have been training for a decade now and cannot make big strength gains or size gains and still be at 10% BF or less. Compare Eugen Sandow to Ronnie Coleman guess what the X factor there is. I'll give you a hint, it's not diet.

Sorry dude but I don't agree with you. I have been training for a decade now and cannot make big strength gains or size gains and still be at 10% BF or less. Compare Eugen Sandow to Ronnie Coleman guess what the X factor there is. I'll give you a hint, it's not diet.

So because you have not made much appreciable progress, everyone else who is bigger and stronger than you has to be on steroids?

I hate to break it to you, but there's a hell of a lot of variables to tinker with before steroids are the absolute only way to achieve a good physique, genetics being an important factor.

I don't know anything about you. You just stated that you haven't made much in the way of large gains and is that somehow supposed to change my way of thinking? For all I can tell you have been lazy with training and diet for the past 10 years. Maybe your genetics are terrible (I hope not). But comeing here and saying that the difference between Eugene Sandow and Ronnie Coleman is purely steroids is pretty ridiculous, in my opinion.

I never meant to say with any of my posts that attaining a Ronnie Coleman-esque physique is attainable naturally (and I hope it wasn't interpreted like that either). What I am trying to say is that the extent of name calling nowadays on drug abuse because of someone's personal lack of progress is stupid. If you haven't been able to reach a muscular 225lbs at 10% bf, steroids didn't do that. You did (or rather, you DIDN'T).

If I had had this attitude of blaming steroids on anyone bigger than me, I swear I would still be a 165lb weakling. I believe that anyone who works their ass off both in the gym and in the kitchen for several years can greatly improve their physique, naturally. Some more than others. But until you have put years of hard work into this while analyzing what is and isn't working in your regimen, it's too early to blame anything or anyone but yourself for a lack of progress.

comeing here and saying that the difference between Eugene Sandow and Ronnie Coleman is purely steroids is pretty ridiculous, in my opinion.


Is it? I'm sure Eugene's training techniques and diet weren't as refined as Ronnie's but the biggest difference there is the steroids. Look at champion body builders over history and you can see when steroids was discovered because there is a huge size diffference.



No one is saying that you can't make strength gains naturally or else many of us would not be here, but being huge without being fat (or spending a lot of time getting fat, cutting, getting fat cutting.....) is not possible for many. Some guys in the gym are just to big to be natural. Not everyone that is bigger than myself, but some.

I happen to be blessed with a naturally big bone structure, so my goal more towards the guy a couple posts up.

I would like to be very trim though, instead of buff.

Hell, I've only been working out for 4 months now, and I already have 15-1/2'' biceps.

Is it? I'm sure Eugene's training techniques and diet weren't as refined as Ronnie's but the biggest difference there is the steroids. Look at champion body builders over history and you can see when steroids was discovered because there is a huge size diffference.



No one is saying that you can't make strength gains naturally or else many of us would not be here, but being huge without being fat (or spending a lot of time getting fat, cutting, getting fat cutting.....) is not possible for many. Some guys in the gym are just to big to be natural. Not everyone that is bigger than myself, but some.

Unless you are a genetic freak you will always put on fat when in a muscle gaining phase. If impressive hypertrophy is what you are after then you will never get there without making some sacrifices and actually devoting the years to eating enough food to grow and then cut down again. At 155lbs you cannot possible know your genetic potential for size gains unless you have already gotten up to the mid-200's and cut right back down. I don't mean this as a personal comment, not at all, but it's just something that needs to be said.

I do not know of anyone natural who has actually added any respectable amount of muscle and strength without adding bodyfat in the process. I don't understand what the stigma is with bf either. It isn't like you need to become a fat bastard to build some good muscle. Some people also act like it is impossible to lose the fat once the muscle is built.

If you do not like the idea of bulking up for a few years while getting 'soft' in the process that is simply personal preference. But don't make limitations on yourself just because you don't like the idea of losing your abs for a few years.

About Sandow and Coleman... there is more to building muscle than steroids. There are thousands of gym rats taking steroids who don't look and never will look like Ronnie Coleman. If steroids were the only thing seperating average gym goers from pro bbers, then we would see a whole lot of Ronnies waddling around. To be at the top in bbing incredible genetics are mandatory. There is also the obvious fact of food intake. The sheer quantity of calories that is required to maintain a physique like that is needless to say huge.
Eugene Sandow lived around a hundred years before Coleman. He didn't train the same, didn't lift as heavy, nor did he eat anywhere near the same amounts of food that Ronnie Coleman does on a regular basis.
These are two people you just can't compare, in my opinion.

Unless you are a genetic freak you will always put on fat when in a muscle gaining phase. If impressive hypertrophy is what you are after then you will never get there without making some sacrifices and actually devoting the years to eating enough food to grow and then cut down again. At 155lbs you cannot possible know your genetic potential for size gains unless you have already gotten up to the mid-200's and cut right back down. I don't mean this as a personal comment, not at all, but it's just something that needs to be said.

I do not know of anyone natural who has actually added any respectable amount of muscle and strength without adding bodyfat in the process. I don't understand what the stigma is with bf either. It isn't like you need to become a fat bastard to build some good muscle. Some people also act like it is impossible to lose the fat once the muscle is built.

If you do not like the idea of bulking up for a few years while getting 'soft' in the process that is simply personal preference. But don't make limitations on yourself just because you don't like the idea of losing your abs for a few years.

About Sandow and Coleman... there is more to building muscle than steroids. There are thousands of gym rats taking steroids who don't look and never will look like Ronnie Coleman. If steroids were the only thing seperating average gym goers from pro bbers, then we would see a whole lot of Ronnies waddling around. To be at the top in bbing incredible genetics are mandatory. There is also the obvious fact of food intake. The sheer quantity of calories that is required to maintain a physique like that is needless to say huge.
Eugene Sandow lived around a hundred years before Coleman. He didn't train the same, didn't lift as heavy, nor did he eat anywhere near the same amounts of food that Ronnie Coleman does on a regular basis.
These are two people you just can't compare, in my opinion.

I don't think you get what I'm saying.

I'd also like to add that I'm not placing limitations on myself. I like the size I am. I'm lean and athletic looking, and I don't care to be bigger than I currently am. I don't have to struggle to maintain muscle mass by constantly bulking and cutting. Many people here choose to do this and that's fine. I, at one point about 8 years ago, was doing just that. I have continuted to work out consistently and eat healthy and some of that muscel mass gained slowly faded away. That's cool, I don't care if I did care I would go back to the cutting/bulking lifestyle. I am on this board to improve my training and find good recipes/diet tips, not to get huge. Re-read my post and you'll notice that I'm not complaining about my size.

My point is that to attain a certain monsterous size you either need freak genetics (in which case you're probably already big naturally) or drugs. Check out John Stone himself. He looks great but he's not a monster. He has made huge gains, but many people on the juice are much bigger. I think for most people the gains that John has made are about as good as you can realistically expect to do naturally. But hey, maybe I'm wrong.

This thread is drifting... :)

This thread is drifting... :)

Absolutely

If you both wish to discuss 'roid vs non 'roid development or whatever then take it to pm

Your both entitled to your own views but you've both openly broken forum rules and have placed the threat of closure a thread that has lasted longer than your respective memberships

Fine i'll bring it back ;)

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She looks weird as a gladiator though

well....she's hot and all, but those biceps are pretty gross looking.

Personally I don't like 'buff' looking women.

well....she's hot and all, but those biceps are pretty gross looking.

Personally I don't like 'buff' looking women.

:rolleyes: I'd rather that than soft looking arms.

well....she's hot and all, but those biceps are pretty gross looking.

Personally I don't like 'buff' looking women.

And that, my friends, is why so many women are scared of heavy weights. :rolleyes: When I stand in that position my biceps look a lot like hers, so I really appreciate the gross-looking comment. You'll notice that when her arms are relaxed, they don't bulge much at all and her arms look very lean.

I think she looks great. Personally, I wouldn't strive for as much lat development as she has, but it looks good on her.

And that, my friends, is why so many women are scared of heavy weights.

pssh! Looks fine to me, sad when women don't at least lift enough to force progressive overload. Top figure competitors always have a great balance

And that, my friends, is why so many women are scared of heavy weights. :rolleyes: When I stand in that position my biceps look a lot like hers, so I really appreciate the gross-looking comment.
That's why I don't like this thread all that much a lot of the time too. :(

Secret antiperspirant has decided that this is what a strong woman looks like. :rolleyes:

Top figure competitors always have a great balanceYou'll like this one. John Stutz has a clickable collage (http://www.johnstutz.com/portfolio.asp) up on his site :) Possibly NSFW.

That's why I don't like this thread all that much a lot of the time too. :(
Hadn't we for the most part agreed that this is the "what I think is attractive" thread? The "perfect body" will always vary from person to person, opinion to opinion...

Secret antiperspirant has decided that this is what a strong woman looks like. :rolleyes:
She looks like a strong wind would blow her over, and I doubt she could lift more than a coffee cup with those arms...

-R

Secret antiperspirant has decided that this is what a strong woman looks like. :rolleyes:


Now that's gross. I find muscled women attractive (like the model in the post preceding the anorexia victim there), biceps and all. But those stick figure women look just as unhealthy as the morbidly obese, to me.

And that, my friends, is why so many women are scared of heavy weights. :rolleyes: When I stand in that position my biceps look a lot like hers, so I really appreciate the gross-looking comment. You'll notice that when her arms are relaxed, they don't bulge much at all and her arms look very lean.

I think she looks great. Personally, I wouldn't strive for as much lat development as she has, but it looks good on her.

Hey, its just my opinion.

No need to roll your eyes.

Like I said...I don't like the 'ripped' look on women....toned is great.

Hadn't we for the most part agreed that this is the "what I think is attractive" thread? The "perfect body" will always vary from person to person, opinion to opinion...

-R

Exactly.


Now that's gross. I find muscled women attractive (like the model in the post preceding the anorexia victim there), biceps and all. But those stick figure women look just as unhealthy as the morbidly obese, to me.

Well I don't like 'stick' women either....although some are born with a very 'petite' body.

Not everyone is into weights, and adding muscle.

She's Siren? Cool, I never would have made the connection. She can hit me over the head with that joust and kick me into the water as much as she wants...I wouldn't mind. :)

Fine i'll bring it back ;)

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She looks weird as a gladiator though

BTW, the newest Gladiator is looking good too. She's gotten beefier... From soccer-mom to Gladiator...

http://www.nbc.com/American_Gladiators/images/photos/scet/1910/jet_0222.jpg


http://www.nbc.com/American_Gladiators/images/photos/scet/1910/jet_0221.jpg


http://www.nbc.com/American_Gladiators/images/photos/scet/1910/jet_0223.jpg


http://www.nbc.com/American_Gladiators/images/photos/scet/1910/jet_0224.jpg


http://www.nbc.com/American_Gladiators/images/photos/scet/1910/jet_0225.jpg

Hey, its just my opinion.

No need to roll your eyes.

Like I said...I don't like the 'ripped' look on women....toned is great.

The point I was trying to make is that, while you can have your opinion, it's not helpful to express it by saying she looks "gross." That's why many women don't want to lift heavy weights and push themselves to lift more, because they're afraid they'll be called "gross." It's also a matter of being considerate of female members who post here and who do actually look or strive to look like the woman in those pictures.

And that's just my opinion. :)

And that's just my opinion. :)

:tu:

Thanks for the link guava

Well I don't like 'stick' women either....although some are born with a very 'petite' body.

Not everyone is into weights, and adding muscle.


Not eating enough to maintain healthy body mass and bone density does not mean "petite". We all know the risks that come with obesity, but not as many think about the problems that stem from regularly failing to eat enough. The ultra slim women commonly featured in advertising and media are not in healthy condition, even for someone who is naturally petite.

The point I was trying to make is that, while you can have your opinion, it's not helpful to express it by saying she looks "gross." That's why many women don't want to lift heavy weights and push themselves to lift more, because they're afraid they'll be called "gross." It's also a matter of being considerate of female members who post here and who do actually look or strive to look like the woman in those pictures.

And that's just my opinion. :)

Valid point.

I wasn't trying to come across as rude....I guess my point is what a lot of female members would say of Ronnie Coleman, or someone who is EXTREMELY ripped.

Its 'gross'....to a point.

Although I know the comparison is not even close here, but I'm speaking more of the females you see in the muscle mags.

Not eating enough to maintain healthy body mass and bone density does not mean "petite". We all know the risks that come with obesity, but not as many think about the problems that stem from regularly failing to eat enough. The ultra slim women commonly featured in advertising and media are not in healthy condition, even for someone who is naturally petite.

Well, sure.

But I have MANY female friends who are very small in size, yet they eat VERY healthy.

I'm not really talking about the ultra slim variety here, as I find that disgusting as well, not to mention the health risks.

You should probably stop worrying about how "disgusting" or "gross" you find these women and start focusing on what you do find attractive.

You should probably stop worrying about how "disgusting" or "gross" you find these women and start focusing on what you do find attractive.

Hey I was just responding to the pictures people were posting.

Nothing wrong with discussing them.

Dare anyone to call this one 'gross'. :)


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Hey I was just responding to the pictures people were posting.

Nothing wrong with discussing them.

Have you read John's latest forum rules? In part, you shouldn't be calling photos that people post "gross."

Have you read John's latest forum rules? In part, you shouldn't be calling photos that people post "gross."
The rule was posted a day or two after he made the post, so it's not really fair to call him out on it, even if more tact would have been appropriate in his original response.

Have you read John's latest forum rules? In part, you shouldn't be calling photos that people post "gross."

Yeah, I never saw that until after I posted it.

I apologize for saying it...although I see no point in editing it.

Oh, and just to clarify, my original comment wasn't exactly based on the above pictures.

I was at a local gym the other day looking at some used fitness equipment, and while I was waiting for the owner to get there....I looked at some magazines.

Now, I have no idea if the pictures had been altered to convey a different picture, but seriously....I had to put the mag away.

Imagine Ronnie Coleman....in a female body.

Yeah. :eek:

I believe most men do not find the muscular woman look attracive because as men we are genetically designed to be the dominant ones. Large musculature suggests protector status, the role a man must have (most cases). I am sure there is a reason, may be a niche, for why it could be attractive to a man.

I am sure there is a reason, may be a niche, for why it could be attractive to a man.Sure, it's a man who is secure enough in his own masculinity to admire a woman who is strong enough to look after herself, and determined enough to keep on fighting when things get physically tough. :)

If you look at the type of guy who dates a more-muscular-than-typical woman, he's often physically very powerful and/or has a very successful career.

I'm not sure why the man "must" be the protector in the relationship, but it's a popular dynamic. :nod:

I believe most men do not find the muscular woman look attracive because as men we are genetically designed to be the dominant ones. Large musculature suggests protector status, the role a man must have (most cases). I am sure there is a reason, may be a niche, for why it could be attractive to a man.


Seriously though, I love women like that... not ones that have bigger biceps than I do, but a woman that works hard in the gym, or involved in fitness competition kinda thing... some women body builders take it to far and you can see that they're on the sauce, but for the most part, I would love to find a woman that is rock solid.
This (http://www.johnstutz.com/images/portfolio/Andi_Campbell-A355-low.jpg) and This (http://static.pws.xc.advection.net/uis/364972) are both something I dream about and something like this (http://www.johnstutz.com/images/portfolio/Lisa_Aukland-A245-low.jpg) (steroids) turns those dreams to nightmares

Seriously though, I love women like that... not ones that have bigger biceps than I do, but a woman that works hard in the gym, or involved in fitness competition kinda thing... some women body builders take it to far and you can see that they're on the sauce, but for the most part, I would love to find a woman that is rock solid.
This (http://www.johnstutz.com/images/portfolio/Andi_Campbell-A355-low.jpg) and This (http://static.pws.xc.advection.net/uis/364972) are both something I dream about and something like this (http://www.johnstutz.com/images/portfolio/Lisa_Aukland-A245-low.jpg) (steroids) turns those dreams to nightmares

The last picture is the 'type' I'm referring too....and she isn't even as big and some others I have seen.

The 2nd picture is pretty sweet.....her back development is making me jealous. :tucool:

Abercrombie models Carlson Twins:

http://www.couturiers.ru/content/_art/1177-1.jpg

^^^Dude, you almost look the same, judging by your avatar.

^^^Dude, you almost look the same, judging by your avatar.

thanks haha, Thats the look Im going for though, Gota love the cover model look. As it happens Im also an identical twin lol

Abercrombie models Carlson Twins:

http://www.couturiers.ru/content/_art/1177-1.jpg

Nice thing to aspire to. However, to me those abs look painful. I don't know why ... they just look painful.

Nice thing to aspire to. However, to me those abs look painful. I don't know why ... they just look painful.

I hear ya, but tensing your abs and rubbing baby oil over your body doesn't rank that high on the pain meter. :)

I hear ya, but tensing your abs and rubbing baby oil over your body doesn't rank that high on the pain meter. :)

Photoshop is where the pain really gets ya!

:nod:Photoshop is where the pain really gets ya!

Yea perhaps a little dab on the airbrush but no modification with those abs, Ive seen One of the twins in real life at a Models convention in LA, Theyre the real deal.

:nod:

Yea perhaps a little dab on the airbrush but no modification with those abs, Ive seen One of the twins in real life at a Models convention in LA, Theyre the real deal.



Of course they certainly work hard and eat right and are the real deal, but the brush always gets a stroke.

Im kinda going for that that Kwong Sang-Woo look for the summer (dont worry i never herd of him either untill seing some forien movie poster) any guesses at this guys bf%?

http://yeinjee.com/asianpop/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/korean-kwon-sang-woo-01.jpg

My first body fat estimation ever... 5-6%

My first body fat estimation ever... 5-6%
I'd think he'd be more striated if he was that low. I'd guess higher -- 7-8%.

Im kinda going for that that Kwong Sang-Woo look for the summer (dont worry i never herd of him either untill seing some forien movie poster) any guesses at this guys bf%?

~8%

Compare your total musculature development to his, and design your plan accordingly.

I want my back to look like this
:nod:


http://blog.newsarama.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_hulk_poster.jpg

I want my back to look like this
:nod:


http://blog.newsarama.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_hulk_poster.jpg

Found a good high-intensity gamma ray source yet?

Found a good high-intensity gamma ray source yet?

:nono: I don't want to look like this

http://www.figurerealm.com/Galleries/marvellegendstoybiz/Toybiz-Abomination-S13.jpg

if things go wrong.

My goal would be to look like Serge Nubret

http://www.sergenubret.com/home.php?page=gallery&lang=us

Anyone else here gone beyond wanting the huge biceps to rather having a well-defined back and good legs?

I know I have.

I don't really care for my biceps anymore. Looks wise anyways.

Kwong Sang-Woo is a goal to aspire too, although because of genetic makeup, I could probably never accomplish it.

My goal... with legs to match. Anybody know where this is from?

My goal... with legs to match. Anybody know where this is from?Could be a strengthnet (http://www.strengthnet.com/models_newest.php?more=photos) photo.

woa thats quite a sight

i think Geovanny from the first page has a prety much perfect physique

Anyone else here gone beyond wanting the huge biceps to rather having a well-defined back and good legs?

I know I have.

I don't really care for my biceps anymore. Looks wise anyways.

Kwong Sang-Woo is a goal to aspire too, although because of genetic makeup, I could probably never accomplish it.

I cycled.

I went from wanting huge guns, to wanting a broad back and not really caring about my guns, to wanting it all.

Now I want to look like the old bodybuilders, Frank Zane in particular.

great phys

Yeah Greg Plitt has a perfect physique... I read up on his workout routine and diet and he works very hard to stay in that kind of shape. It's not just genetics.

Yeah Greg Plitt has a perfect physique... I read up on his workout routine and diet and he works very hard to stay in that kind of shape. It's not just genetics.

could you retrace that workout and diet and perhaps post it, im a fan of this guy. Ive seen a few vids of him on youtube also, very informative.

could you retrace that workout and diet and perhaps post it, im a fan of this guy. Ive seen a few vids of him on youtube also, very informative.

Here you go, this is a long post:

What does your normal training program consist of?

Different programs exist in order to achieve different goals. My personal fitness goal is have my body totally in proportion with an extremely low body fat. I am not concerned with the weight I lift, but more so concerned with the gaining the maximum about of stress on the desired target muscle group that I wish to exercise. Due to my job description as a fitness model and actor, I am unable to gain much weight and am forced to stay in a constant ready state of fitness in order to be successful in booking work on a weekly basis. When I left the Army, I was weighing 220lbs at a body fat of 6.5%. I quickly found that my height (6'1�) and weight of 220 put me into a category that was not marketable. I found that the most marketable shape was where you can wear normal cloths well, but when you take off your shirt, you are like an anatomy chart. Due to this realization, I dropped over 25 pounds (mostly of muscle mass) in order to book work. I will be honest that it is somewhat pride swallowing to not be able to lift the weight you once lifted, but at the end of the day, I feel healthier and in better shape. The best thing anyone can do in terms of entering the gym is to leave their pride and ego outside….it will only hurt your workout or injure you in your efforts to grow.

My workout is a body part per day and the entire body is worked in a 5 day period. Day one will be chest, followed by back, shoulders, arms, and then legs. I do abs at the end of each workout for 10-15 minutes and calves on every other day. My workouts will usually consist of 6-8 exercises of 3-4 sets per exercise. I pyramid up in weight and down in reps with each exercise but rarely will ever do a set with fewer then 8 reps. More often then not, most of my sets will have reps in the range of 12-18 which is extremely high, but that runs parallel to my goal of maintaining my current weight while redistributing my mass to make my body proportionate. My workouts will start with mass building lifts (lifts that encompass the majority of the muscle group at one time) and later turns into shaper lifts that focus on one smaller aspect of the muscle group. My rest between sets will range from 30-90 seconds depending on it I am doing a mass lift or a shaper lift (shaper lifts will have less time in between sets for rest). I never plan a rest day, that usually happens on its own. I will go 5 days straight and then start it all back up with day one of chest. Usually, work or traveling will keep me out of the gym at least once every week. I don't plan a day off because if I were to plan Wednesday off and then Thursday's schedule got booked, I would find myself with two days off. Now, two days off isn't a bad thing from time to time, but when you love working out and it helps you come to peace with yourself, taking too many days off starts to get to your overall attitude. Another key aspect to my workouts is that I never do the same workout for a body part back to back. I am constantly changing up my workout to keep my body guessing and forcing it to adapt to new stresses and situations in the gym which in turn results in growth. If you do the same workout day in and day out, your body, smarter then you think it is, will get used to the strain of the routine and begin to plateau off. It is easy to change up your workout. One day you can do all barbell free weights, next all dumbbells, next all machines, next mix up the use of free weight and machines, etc. You can also change up your workout, like chest for example, by going from flat press, incline press, decline press to decline, flat, and incline. It's important to keep your body guessing for growth and to keep from mental bourdon in the gym. As for which exercises I do for each body part, it is a list that is constantly changing. I am always looking around in the gym and generating new ideas to target a muscle group. Most of what I have learned from the gym has come from the gym. Growing up I was always the person asking someone more experienced questions, or asking what certain lifts worked, or just the use of a little imagination. It is important to try as many types of lifts for each body part to find out which exercise works best for you. What works for me will not necessary work for someone else.


DIET:

What is his diet like? (from website)

The first thing to understand about any diet is that the word diet doesn't exist. A lot of people I know ask me how to get in shape for the summer, for some vacation coming up, or for some type of reunion where they want to look their best to impress. People tell me that they need to get in shape by a certain date, and then after that event, they go back to their normal eating habits and wonder why they gained all the weight back. The reason why a diet doesn't exist is simply because nothing short term will last the test of time unless you incorporate a change of lifestyle to how you eat and exercise. The hardest part of a diet or with transforming the shape of your body is your decision to change and the first few weeks following that decision. Once you start to see results, results being improved strength, increased energy, slimmer waist line, etc, from there on it is easy to continue the path as you fall in love with the new you because you have quantitative results. You will find yourself addicted to a healthier lifestyle due to the benefits you are experiencing. It takes effort, but I can promise you that the effort is a distant second to the joy of the results. No one ever grows up and says I want to be out of shape and over weight….they simply become that way due to a lack of motivation (lazy) or personal failure with time management. But, the reason why the theory of a diet is crap is because after going through all that work to get the initial results and feel good about yourself, why would anyone every give it up and allow their old habits blossom and return their old body structure? It is a lot easier to maintain something then to build something.

As for my diet, it will differ from someone else with a different body fat to body mass ratio. Having a body fat of under 5%, what I eat will effect me differently then someone who carries a body fat percentage of 18%. In addition to one's body mass ratio, other factors that will effect your figure due to what you eat are you metabolism, your age, your gender, and your overall activity level. What works for me will not necessary work for someone else as there are many constraints to the equation. I have found a few things that run parallel in helping transform your body no matter what the constraints. Below is a list of constants or rules I try to live by to maintain my physique.

• Don't eat late at night. If possible, I try to go to bed on an empty stomach, that way my body is breaking down fat throughout the night instead of the food I just put in my stomach before bed.

• Drink tons of water. Water is all your body needs, if you can drink water constantly throughout the day, it will do wonders for your physique and overall health. Drinking water will also help cure your appetite. When you drink water, you stomach walls expand for a short period of time which will give you the sense of feeling full which will help you get past the cravings to cheat.

• Plan your meals. Far too often people will go on a crash diet during the day only to find themselves starving later in the day and settle on eating anything that is conveniently around them. Usually, food that is convenient and fast is often food that is not good for you. If you can pack a lunch or make your meals to go the night before you take off for work, you will always have food available that is good for you when you crave it.

• Eat 5-6 smaller meals instead of 3 large meals. Better to eat small meals instead of large portions. Your body will break down carbs for energy and store the fat unless you are engaged in physical activity. If you eat a large meal, you can bet you will be sluggish and all of the fat of your meal will be stored as the carbs will be broken down.

• Forget eating anything sugar based, fried, or greasy. Self explanatory.

• If you are going to cheat, cheat early in the day so your body is able to break it down throughout the day before going to bed.

• Eat to fuel your body, not to satisfy an appetite.

On an average day, I will consume food that is low in carbs, low in fat, and high in protein. I will try to get 1.5 grams of protein for every pound I weigh per day. I currently weigh 195lbs, so I will try to get around 300 grams a day. I am able to get 300 grams a day through protein shakes, protein bars, and normal food. The normal food I eat consist of chicken, turkey, fish, tuna fish….basically all white meat. I usually eat 4 meals a day and 2 protein shakes. My last meal of the day will usually be around 4 hours before going to bed. I usually go to the gym at night, so after the gym, I will take down a protein shake (I like low carb, low fat protein shakes) and go to bed on a protein enriched shake to help aid my body repair from the workout. Some people find that working out late keeps them up and makes it hard to fall asleep, I have never had a problem going to sleep after a workout as I am that tired. I usually wake up and go to the gym for cardio and abs. After the morning workout, I eat a normal breakfast (egg whites, cereal, oatmeal, etc) and go about my day. A few hours later I will drink a protein shake. My second meal will come around 12 or 1 followed by another meal around 4-5. I usually lift at night around 8-11 and slam a protein shake afterward to close out the day. If I get hungry in between meals, I usually snack on a protein bar. I agree that it's not the tastiest way to get through your day, but everything in life has sacrifices. I choose to eat the way I do because I enjoy being in shape more the tasting something sweat; therefore I sacrifice most of what taste good. When I cheat, I cheat early and do not make a trend of doing it.

That makes good reading, but is it not recommended to have healthy fats and protein prior to bed to disallow catabolism from taking effect? Is greg right when he states his body will eat away at fat during the night, I thought it was muscle tissue?

also is 6-8 exercises per muscle not a bit too much? or?

I thought 2 exercises per muscle 4x8-12 for growth

I know I mentioned something earlier in the thread about gross biceps...well, I was wrong.

Because compared to some of the 'biceps' I saw this weekend at a strength convention near here, those looked absolutely gorgeous.

Just, wow. :eek:

That makes good reading, but is it not recommended to have healthy fats and protein prior to bed to disallow catabolism from taking effect? Is greg right when he states his body will eat away at fat during the night, I thought it was muscle tissue?

also is 6-8 exercises per muscle not a bit too much? or?

I thought 2 exercises per muscle 4x8-12 for growth

This all boils down to a couple of issues:

1. There are NO rules, just PRINCIPLES. No where is it written in stone that you must have healthy fats before u go to bed, or that you have to do cardio on an empty stomach, or that you must do squats to grow. Bottom- line Some people believe it helps to have the fats, others don't. Try both approaches and see which works better for you. We're all different. There are only a few principles that seem to be consistent and macronutrient partitioning isn't one of them- consuming more calories than you burn in order to grow- is one of those principles.

2. Greg Plitt is a model- that's his primary job. Plitt's entire career is based around his physique. That doesn't mean that all he does is workout, eat, and sleep. But I'm betting that he doesn't have some of the commitments that most ppl have, such as a 40-60hr/week job+ family and such. But this isn't a time issue, this is a RECOVERY issue. Because his principle job is to workout and prepare for magazine cover shoots and the TV show workout (where he basically just trains clients)...I'm betting he has a greater recovery capacity than most people.

3. Genetics and steroids - I'm not saying he takes steroids or that he is genetically gifted, but you can't rule out the possibility. Either way, it still takes a lot of hard work to get that type of body, no doubt about it, but theres no telling if he's taking hormones or steroids or what not.

For the average person, his workout probably is a bit much, 24-32 sets per muscle group, 5-7 days a week + running every morning...is probably more than most people can handle given that they have other pressures/interests in life. For most people 45-60mins of intense exercise daily (or almost everyday) is probably enough when coupled with a reasonable diet (little junkfood/lots of natural food spread throughout the day), and 6-8 hrs of sleep per night is probably enough to get into great shape (maybe not Greg Plitt shape, but good shape nonetheless)

Hope this helps

I personally dont think he's used roids, his physique looks achievable to a certain degree then genetics kick into play. However After following some of that advice about 6-8 exercises per muscle group, Today I had done what Ive never done before it was a back day, I had a Deadlift, db pullover & Db row stages of my workout one exercises after the other with quick succession. It was so taxing on the body, honestly the hardest workout ive had to date and kept the format 4x12 throughout. So I tink I might employ this technqiue of multiple exercises per muscle group.

Isn't that dude from the Bowflex commercials! I'm sure that's all he used :blank:

I personally dont think he's used roids, his physique looks achievable to a certain degree then genetics kick into play. However After following some of that advice about 6-8 exercises per muscle group, Today I had done what Ive never done before it was a back day, I had a Deadlift, db pullover & Db row stages of my workout one exercises after the other with quick succession. It was so taxing on the body, honestly the hardest workout ive had to date and kept the format 4x12 throughout. So I tink I might employ this technqiue of multiple exercises per muscle group.

Well, realize as well that the picture posted in the thread above was obviously altered to make him look better.

I've seen him on clips, and while he is in 'awesome' shape....its not the same thing.

I wouldn't say he takes steroids though.

Well, realize as well that the picture posted in the thread above was obviously altered to make him look better.

I've seen him on clips, and while he is in 'awesome' shape....its not the same thing.

I wouldn't say he takes steroids though.

Ohh yea no doubt he's got a bit of Photoshop touch up and the pump along with sme baby oil, but no roids I tink thats definitive just by looking at him. His chest and arms are mammoth, anyone seen his lower body though?

http://blogs.nypost.com/popwrap/photos/ryan.jpg

This is my aim.

Subtle but defined.

That dude isn't even that big, get off the god damn steroid bandwagon.
http://www.dontclickme.com/media/arnold-schwarzenegger-big_muscle.jpg

Mario Lopez has a great build.

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http://www.nvo.com/sportquestdir/nss-folder/pictures/goggins.jpg


David Goggins is another great one, more so for his athletic ability though than his actual physique (although he's in amazing shape)

Mario Lopez has a great build.

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It's weird seeing him host a show on Animal Planet. Of all the places I expected A.C. Slater to end up, that wasn't it.

(not knocking either of them, mind you. I like both).

This was posted already in this thread but i was curious if anybody knows who he is.
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/812/rarghtz0.jpg

I really really like this guys Physique to me it looks big but agile

This was posted already in this thread but i was curious if anybody knows who he is.
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/812/rarghtz0.jpg

I really really like this guys Physique to me it looks big but agile
Li Hongli unless I'm mistaken.

Here is an example of a body that I personally love, and would love to obtain. *has been going to the gym for a month* I don't think it'd be too difficult to obtain, right?

I wish I had this guy's face, but oh well. :doh:

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/1372/whodbeamodelbyholdmycoaet0.jpg

:eek:

My goal is to have a physique like David Haye.

http://bulgehead.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/dhaye.jpg

Here is some inspiration for all the short Indian guys out there (like myself)....




http://movies.newscrux.com/wp-content/gallery/ghajini-hq-poster/ghajini005.jpg

http://movies.newscrux.com/wp-content/gallery/ghajini-stills-1/ghajini-stills-newscrux002.jpg

http://movies.newscrux.com/wp-content/gallery/ghajini-stills-1/ghajini-stills-newscrux-1001.jpg

http://movies.newscrux.com/wp-content/gallery/ghajini/ghajini1.jpg

Memento.
http://www.conodoguinet.com/memento1.jpg
The top line says "John G. raped and murdered my wife"

Memento.
http://www.conodoguinet.com/memento1.jpg
The top line says "John G. raped and murdered my wife"


lol yeah, I see what you did there. ;)
That's one of my favorite movies....

lol yeah, I see what you did there. ;)
That's one of my favorite movies....

I just looked it up, Ghajini is a remake of Memento.

I just looked it up, Ghajini is a remake of Memento.

Oh, yeah I knew it was a remake of Memento.
I thought you knew that as well, and that was the reason you posted the pic of Guy Pierce.

Also, for anyone who was wondering; the guy in the pics is one of Bollywood's most famous and successful actors/directors.

Quick Bio
Name: Aamir Khan
Nationality: Indian
Age: 43
Height: 5'5" to 5'8"
Weight: not sure

He said in an interview that it took him about 19 months to achieve that body.

Oh, yeah I knew it was a remake of Memento.
I thought you knew that as well, and that was the reason you posted the pic of Guy Pierce.

Also, for anyone who was wondering; the guy in the pics is one of Bollywood's most famous and successful actors/directors.

Quick Bio
Name: Aamir Khan
Nationality: Indian
Age: 43
Height: 5'5" to 5'8"
Weight: not sure

He said in an interview that it took him about 19 months to achieve that body.

I figured it out after I posted the pic, I just thought the pics were a mock-up for an athlete. That guy looks good enough to make me think he was an athlete. :spaz:

Looking at his workout routine training 3 hours a day every day ....for 13 months ...it goes against a lot of what u read regarding overtraining etc ..BUT what amazing results!!

"We used to work on two body parts in a day for around 1.5-2 hours followed by 45 minutes of cardio exercises. We divided the days between chest and back for day one, arms - biceps and triceps - on day two, shoulder and legs on the third and full body rest on day four. We used to repeat the same schedule consecutively".


and he used to do ab crunches :eek::lol:


"He has a lot of muscle count now vis-a-vis earlier and the day we reached around 1,000 stomach crunches in 55 minutes, I was on cloud nine," he shared..


diet

Aamir had a lot of fat content in his body earlier and it was very necessary to convert it into muscle through protein diet. For that, I made him follow a proportionate balanced diet daily containing 40 percent carbohydrates, 40 percent protein and 20 percent fat," said Chaurasia.
"Aamir's body is mostly made on eggs as he used to have 16 egg whites through the day. I advised him to follow a two-egg whites and toast meal every two hours. Besides that, he also consumed 250 gram barbecued chicken for lunch and dinner each," Chaurasia added.



He used to consume food supplements like amino acids and protein shakes after exercises," he informed.

Aamir also had to adopt a disciplinary regimen.

"He had to give up on oil, sugar and alcohol consumption and late night parties as I strictly asked him to sleep for eight hours at a stretch before the workouts," said Chaurasia.

Oh, yeah I knew it was a remake of Memento.
I thought you knew that as well, and that was the reason you posted the pic of Guy Pierce.

Also, for anyone who was wondering; the guy in the pics is one of Bollywood's most famous and successful actors/directors.

Quick Bio
Name: Aamir Khan
Nationality: Indian
Age: 43
Height: 5'5" to 5'8"
Weight: not sure

He said in an interview that it took him about 19 months to achieve that body.
in his interview he says his weight started at 68kg and ended after 13 months at 70kg..interesting interview where he discusses his workout diet and you can see his progress.

http://www.tamiljore.com/view_video.php?viewkey=310f560d696ca955e9e0