Not sure if it belongs here, but it's fatloss so......


1,072 lb man.... I just dont see how someone could get like that :confused: .

Gotta give the man credit though... I'm sure it's not easy mentaly to lose weight at that stage in the game.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040810_654.html

omg wow
thats like whoa
hard to believe though

So he wants to get to a more "healthy" weight of 300 pounds? I can't imagine letting myself get anywhere near half a ton, much less trying to lose it. Given his stats in the article, his BMR at 1072 pounds would have been 6558 (if he is sedentary). They put him on a 1200 calorie diet, which put him at a 5358 calorie per day deficit. If this all went into fat loss, he would be losing 1.53 pounds per day, or 85 pounds in 8 weeks. To lose 321 pounds in 8 weeks, he would need an average calorie defecit per day of 20,000 calories! It sure sounds like they needed to do something to help him lose the weight.

Maybe they used a sharp knife? :D

Unreal! :confused:

He weights 1000lbs and he's eating 1200 calories a day...thats interesting...

lots and lots of retainted water!

A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed.

how dignified does that sound? AWD_ENVY, you visit fark much?

Not sure if it belongs here, but it's fatloss so......


1,072 lb man.... I just dont see how someone could get like that :confused: .

Gotta give the man credit though... I'm sure it's not easy mentaly to lose weight at that stage in the game.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040810_654.html


At that stage of the game its life or death.

...Deuel's care could cost millions of dollars, much of which the hospital may have to cover....

Gotta love American health care. He will have to pay millions, even without surgery!

Gotta love American health care. He will have to pay millions, even without surgery!

Hospital = American taxpayers? :confused:

good on him for losing that much, and lets hope he reaches his goals...

I have read that many of the people like this die after losing the weight from organ failure. I just wonder if those docs know what there doing with 1200 calories. Some of what I read was these people eat like 10,000 calories a day. Heck he would lose on 5000 calories I bet.

I have read that many of the people like this die after losing the weight from organ failure. I just wonder if those docs know what there doing with 1200 calories. Some of what I read was these people eat like 10,000 calories a day. Heck he would lose on 5000 calories I bet.

well, the guy looks very close to death right now. as proof, i submit this photo:
http://debab.omaha.com/np_0/medium/810sqdeuel.jpg

I just don't understand how someone could let themselves go like that...its very hard for me (as somewhat of an outsider) to understand. If you're wealthy or middle class, wouldn't you at some point say ok I need to buy a gym membership, piece of workout equipment, figure out some better food choices, etc. And if you're of a lower economic class, how could you possibly afford a lifestyle that has you eating 10k cals per day? I think I could literally count up all the calories from everything I purchased at the grocery store last time i was there and it wouldn't equal 10k total and it cost me 50 bucks!! (and thats just an estimate...at 1000 plus lbs...who knows what the real number is?!) So economically I don't understand, relate to, or sympathize with the man's problem...I do wish him the best in getting healthy, but even if he loses 500!! lbs, he'll still BE 500lbs!! Do you ever really recover from that mentally or physically???

Well it is actually cheaper I think to eat unhealthy.

I mean I spend about $180/month on nothing but "clean" foods, and that is on an 1800 cal/day diet.

But back before I ate clean, well, $5 at a fast food place = like 1400-1500 calories alone. There's tons of cheap ways to make yourself obese.

Well it is actually cheaper I think to eat unhealthy.

I mean I spend about $180/month on nothing but "clean" foods, and that is on an 1800 cal/day diet.

But back before I ate clean, well, $5 at a fast food place = like 1400-1500 calories alone. There's tons of cheap ways to make yourself obese.

I think we coul start a whole new thread about whether its cheaper to eat clean or unhealthy...but just to help put this in perspective (using your example: 5 bucks = 1500 calories and he's eating 10k+ per day? Thats about 30 bucks a day. Lets say its $25 just for the sake of arguement...thats 750 per month right there...thats nearly 2 times my RENT! Furthermore, you said 180/month is what you spend for 1800kcal/days...so you eat about 54k in calories per month, he ate all of that in the first week of your month...and on top of that I think these could possibly be low estimates? Hard to say, but either way theres no way you could support a lifestyle like that (9grand per year +) if you were in a lower economic status. Also, I'm seriously doubting that he worked in such an obese state, so who was supporting him and doling out his food to him? In my opinion, they could be just as much to blame here...

Hospital = American taxpayers?

This is, of course, offtopic, but:

What I am really trying to allude to, is how expensive health care is. And how it is normal to think people can spend millions of dollars for health care. I will probably make a million dollars in my entire lifetime if I am lucky. How do hospitals stay operating if every major problem is treated for millions and they absorb the costs?

This is, of course, offtopic, but:

What I am really trying to allude to, is how expensive health care is. And how it is normal to think people can spend millions of dollars for health care. I will probably make a million dollars in my entire lifetime if I am lucky. How do hospitals stay operating if every major problem is treated for millions and they absorb the costs?

The answer is : hospitals make millions from drug companies. Drug companies give hospitals/doctors money for pushing their drugs. For instance, if you have high cholesterol and need a drug to help you lower it, which drug is better? Crestor, Lipitor, Pravachol, Tricor, etc...? I'm no doctor, so I don't know the difference between the drugs, but they all help lower peoples cholesterol. But which drug is actually better for your needs? Hopefully a doctor will make a good decision based on the facts and not because he's making money pushing a drug. The last time I was at my doctor, I was waiting to pay my deductible when a dude walked in with a box of "sample" drugs. I guess he was some rep for a drug company. He gave my doctor's staff tons of sample drugs (Crestor being one of them). So next time you get a prescription at a doctors office, you have to wonder if the doctor is giving you what's best for you or is he giving you a drug that he's getting a kick back from? Something to think about....

High-fat, high-calorie foods and sedentary lifestyles play a big role in obesity. But for Deuel, who has battled his weight all his life, genetics is partly to blame. He weighed about 90 pounds in kindergarten and more than 250 pounds in middle school.No doubt about it, genetics is the exact reason this guy probably ate 8000 -10000 calories/day, which is generally what these super-large individuals eat. :rolleyes:

TheLemonSong I've started buying wholewheat bread from walmart, no name brand. A HUGE bag is $.98. If you want to pack in calories, it's really not difficult :) Lower class people are typically heavier than upper class. In Africa that isn't the case, since they're dying, but our society has gotten so good at making food that even the poorest people can eat themselves to death.How do hospitals stay operating if every major problem is treated for millions and they absorb the costs?Because so few people have problems like this. Having come from Canada originally, I'd like to see healthcare in the US even more privatized. I'd like to pay less on my private insurance premiums than my sedentary co-workers, because I will put less of a stress on the system. As it is now people like this fellow can get others to cover their health costs.

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At face value this guy is a disgusting individual. How anybody could get to the point where they are bedridden from overeating is beyond most of us. If I was his wife I'd say "eat what you want, but by God you're going to walk to the fridge yourself". But, really is he so much different than most other americans who have little concern as to their personal health and eat what they want when they want? Surely this guy's genetics do allow for massive weight gain, and his appetite is almost without equal. He surely has psychological issues which further encourage overeating, but the difference between him and the rest of the obese/overweight population may not be as different as these people would have themselves believe.

He surely has psychological issues which further encourage overeating, but the difference between him and the rest of the obese/overweight population may not be as different as these people would have themselves believe.

Uh, the difference is that the average tubby American is able to go to work each morning. You'd think this guy would've noticed there was a problem when he couldn't get through the front door, not when he was at death's door. Who paid for all his "favorite" pizza and burritos?

I hope he gets well so he can actually contribute something to society.

Uh, the difference is that the average tubby American is able to go to work each morning. You'd think this guy would've noticed there was a problem when he couldn't get through the front door, not when he was at death's door. Who paid for all his "favorite" pizza and burritos?

I hope he gets well so he can actually contribute something to society.He merely took it to an extreme. In both cases you have severe overeating and poor lifestyle leading to debilitation. The average obese american, though able to go to work, realizes shortcomings in what they can do, whether it's fitting in the seat at a rollercoaster, being able to take coach when they fly, sit behind the wheel of their car, or walk up a flight of stairs without almost keeling over.

Sure this guy noticed a problem when he couldn't bring himself to the fridge, just as obese americans notice a problem when their health is in the toilet and it's starting to interfere with their lives. If neither does anything about it, how can one presume pride at the fact that although they are morbidly obese at 300 lbs, at least they aren't a thousand? This guy is quantitatively worse, not qualitatively.

I truly believe that for some people, food is like a drug. People here have asked all the right questions - how could he let himself get this way, didn't he notice that he was severely obese? But is this really any different than an alcoholic who loses everything just for that next drink? Is it any different than the person addicted to gambling who loses everything, everything, for that last bet?

There are people literally killing themselves with hard drug use. I really don't think a person who has underlying psychological issues that uses something - anything - to dull the pain is really in a position to think rationally. We may think that he should have just figured it out. I can say the same about people addicted to cocaine, heroine, alcohol, gambling. Since I'm not, is it fair for me to say that they should just figure it out and stop? If it were that simple, we wouldn't have these problems in our society today.

This man was obviously addicted to food. It made him feel something that we can only begin to even understand. Like how that cheat meal feels, only better. He couldn't live without all that food. Unfortunately, he didn't realize through the haze of his addiction that he couldn't live with it either...

Just my two cents...

Two points:

1- ARE lower class people actually fatter than middle to upper class people, or is this perhaps a stereotype? Is there a difference at all in weight paralleled with economic status? I'd love to read an article about this...

2- Genetics were an issue, or his parents just fed him whatever he wanted to eat and he didn't go outside and play when he was a kid? I knew 90lb kids that were in my kindergarten classes, and I CERTAINLY!!!! knew 250lbers in middle school because they were on my middle school football team and they were HUGE! Did these kids (some of whom I still know) go on to need livestock scales to weight themselves on? No. So how much can you actually attribute to genetics here and how much can you attribute to parental irresponsibility? I think we could once again start an entirely new thread about these things, and I'm not sure of my personal viewpoint (as it is somewher ein the middle of both things) but this raises an interesting discussion. Who is to blame in this circumstance? The morbidly obese guy? His parents? Society? His wife? Psychological issues? etc. etc. etc.

Fact is, this man had someone enabling him. At some point, when he couldn't physically retrieve the food anymore, someone brought it to him. Someone paid for it. Someone, somewhere allowed this to happen right next to him as he shoveled his bulbous head full of useless calories. I think someone mentioned he had a wife? Dollars to donuts she was the one doing it for him...

Now the already overstressed American health care system must find a way to deal with problems he precipitated himself. I know it's callous to say, but I find little sympathy for him. His family? To some degree, but then again... all I can think is that they allowed this as much as he did. Too sad.

-R

ARE lower class people actually fatter than middle to upper class people, or is this perhaps a stereotype? Is there a difference at all in weight paralleled with economic status? I'd love to read an article about this...I have no link, but I bet it could be found reasonably easily (although search criteria could be annoying to figure out!). I am pretty sure there is a big link. Diseases also find themselves more prevalent in the poor.

I think that his parents are at least partly to blame for this. Kids learn eating habits young. If you're 90 lbs in Kindergarten your parents had a serious problem with saying no to your whining for food.

I have no link, but I bet it could be found reasonably easily...

Check out obesity.org (http://www.obesity.org). Lots of great information... but take it with a grain of salt as it is a site dedicated to obesity research and education appropriation.

One of their "fast fact" graphs projects that the National Institutes of Health will have a budget of $27.9B. Of that, $332M will be spent on obesity in 2004 according to their projections.

Now, I dunno about you... but that's $332M that could be better spent elsewhere... you know... perhaps in our pathetic educational system that doesn't seem to combat the problem before it begins, rather than bandaging it after the fact. You can call me heartless till the cows come home, I can't help but feel the responsibility lies on them.

But then again... is someone like this truly, medically obese? Or is it self-inflicted? At one point, oh, likely when he was obese by normal standards, he had the choice to get help. Instead, he kept going... how do you define medically obese? When genes are solely to blame despite diet? Or is someone like this guy medically obese? It's certainly a medical problem at this point, but is it medically obese, or self-inflicted obesity? Where's the line between the two? I could get dizzy thinking about that...

-R

I have no link, but I bet it could be found reasonably easily (although search criteria could be annoying to figure out!). I am pretty sure there is a big link. Diseases also find themselves more prevalent in the poor.

I think that his parents are at least partly to blame for this. Kids learn eating habits young. If you're 90 lbs in Kindergarten your parents had a serious problem with saying no to your whining for food.

I'm not sure such a non-biased study exists (anyone know of one?), and while diseases can be shown to be found more prevalent in the poor, is this because they can't afford health care and deteriorate at a faster rate, because they are living in less sanitary conditions, genetics, etc? I don't know if we CAN make statements that equate disease, obesity, and other problems are due to economic status. The differences are simply too numerous to provide for alternating variables...An example here would be jsut what you said: you claim that disease is more prevalent among lower socio-economic classes. I won't disagree with that statement, but perhaps diseases are equally spread throughout socio-economic class but TREATMENT is the variable to which higher classes have access and lower classes do not.

Bluestreak-- Mos def bro, someone enabled him..what GENE is it that makes you balloon out to 1000+ lbs??

[QUOTE=TheLemonSong]Two points:

1- ARE lower class people actually fatter than middle to upper class people, or is this perhaps a stereotype? Is there a difference at all in weight paralleled with economic status? I'd love to read an article about this...

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Now this is an interesting subject! There are so many divisions of culture and eating style in the US that it might make it hard to figure out. There are also a lot of stereotypes. I would have though there would be some data, but mabe it would be seen as racist, sexist, anti-rural or whatever (I might just be adding some stereotypical views right there).

Some thoughts:
Houston is one of the fattest cities in the country, but the cost of living is fairly low. On the other hand California cost of living is high, people are generally less fat.

In the US most people spend propotionally less on food than other countries and are relatively rich (actually one could easily argue, the richest on earth). So perhaps it is like Africa after all - the richest are the fattest!

The fact is food here is cheap, and people are used to easy cheap food, especially at restaurants. I don't know anywhere else in the wolkd that you can eat out well for 2 hours (minimum) wages (I can get a good meal at Cilli's for $10, and that not even 'fast food'). Food is so cheap here, you don't have to be well off to eat out 5 nights a week + lunches. Try that in Europe on a European salary!

People that cook for themselves generally eat better, but of course there's that exception of bored house(wives) baking cakes all day. That actually isn't such a problem in Europe either, I suspect because most families need two incomes.

Are people that are better off the types who are more able to contol thier lives, and hense themselves? In a society where you job or opportunities do not depend on your class, this might be true.

Perhaps it all depends on your definitions of 'lower' and 'upper' class.

I won't disagree with that statement, but perhaps diseases are equally spread throughout socio-economic class but TREATMENT is the variable to which higher classes have access and lower classes do not.I agree that it's difficult to find the real determinants, and there are definitely many influences. But, just because we can't say without a shadow of a doubt the cause behind something doesn't mean that it isn't there; we've just not found it.

I'm sure that certain things are easy to find out, such as count the average calories from a middle class vs. a low class person. Another control may be to find a middle class person with the same health coverage as a lower class and find enough of them, then compare who gets sicker, etc. You could also compare activity levels.

My take on bluestreak's question is that this is self-inflicted, just as a reasonably obese 300 lber (I say reasonably, because they are ripped compared to this guy) has a self-inflicted obesity - just not to the same extent. I would never pretend that everybody has the same propensity to obesity or the same appetites, but it's an indisputable fact that you don't become obese drinking water and having a banana once a day. It comes from somewhere, and that's too much food. I find restricting food difficult. Some find it easy. I bet that this guy finds it almost super humanly hard, but I can't believe that there is a set point at which, presumably above me, somebody says "This is just too much for a person to endure. The willpower required is too great, so we'll no longer consider him to have any power over his weight."

We can all appreciate that education and determination combined with goals and will power are what have made us lose weight (those of us who have, so far). These are qualities I'd argue are more numerous in people as they increase in class. Sure we've got the paris hilton's of the world, but generally I think if you take somebody making $200k and somebody making $15k, you'll find the previous person has a higher level of confidence, intelligence, will power, goal-oriented skills, etc. and these tie into his or her fitness to some degree.

I came upon this today on another site. 600-Pound Woman Dies After Being Surgically Removed From Couch (http://www.wftv.com/news/3643877/detail.html)

There are no words.

They seem to be coming out of the woodworks lately.
That 600 pound woman story is a bit sketchy though.


Maybe these people need to be introduced to johnstonefitness.com

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There's no simple correlation of weight and income. Take Asia for example. Obesity isn't really a problem there -- I don't have statistics, but from visiting there I can say there are far more tubbies in the US.

This held both for the poor, rural parts of China and outrageously expensive cities like Hong Kong (it's in the top-5 most expensive cities in the world). In other words, I think culture has as much to do with it as anything else.

This is because fundamentally this is an issue of willpower and knowledge, not the price of food. Our USDA recommendations say pile on the carbs, and that's what happened. What's the surprise?

There's no simple correlation of weight and income. Take Asia for example. Obesity isn't really a problem there -- I don't have statistics, but from visiting there I can say there are far more tubbies in the US.
We're talking about the correlation of obesity and income in the US. In other countries such as China, where millions are probably on vegetarian, low-cal diets not by choice, you're going to have comparatively low rates of obesity.

Did anyone see "Trading Spouses"? Two women, one upper-middle class and one lower-middle class, switched households for five days. The upper middle class mother was very attractive and fit (as the fat daughter of the other family said, "she can, like, run a mile!"). The lower-middle class mother weighed at least 300 pounds. They showed the rich mom sit in disgust as the her surrogate family (which was all very obese) ate humungous sandwiches which probably contained 3000 calories.

Anyway, the point is, the richer you are, the more likely you are to be educated. Thus, you'll know that you're putting your life at risk when you sit on your ass all day and eat pizza. More importantly, you'll have the financial resources to do something about it, e.g. get a gym membership and buy expensive, healthy foods.

Here (http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=159676) are the actual facts. I guess I'm somewhat wrong.

We're talking about the correlation of obesity and income in the US. In other countries such as China, where millions are probably on vegetarian, low-cal diets not by choice, you're going to have comparatively low rates of obesity.

Did anyone see "Trading Spouses"? Two women, one upper-middle class and one lower-middle class, switched households for five days. The upper middle class mother was very attractive and fit (as the fat daughter of the other family said, "she can, like, run a mile!"). The lower-middle class mother weighed at least 300 pounds. They showed the rich mom sit in disgust as the her surrogate family (which was all very obese) ate humungous sandwiches which probably contained 3000 calories.

Anyway, the point is, the richer you are, the more likely you are to be educated. Thus, you'll know that you're putting your life at risk when you sit on your ass all day and eat pizza. More importantly, you'll have the financial resources to do something about it, e.g. get a gym membership and buy expensive, healthy foods.

Here (http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=159676) are the actual facts. I guess I'm somewhat wrong.Definitely a lot of things at work. Those in a lower income bracket may not have desk jobs and lead as sedentary lives. Those with sedentary desk jobs may be fatter in the lower income brackets. So many factors :)

I did see those people. That family from the north east sickened me. They had pacified their children with food. The kids had no f-ing idea on how to eat. As a result they were clearly friendless, and not happy children. The woman from CA said that "it's really different up here", but in reality you can find fat families like that anywhere in the US.

The food pyramid may have some limited effect on how people eat, but I honestly think that too much is made out of this, because I don't believe most people give a damn for it anyway. I remember learning about it in school. It made zero effect on my eating patterns, and surely dito for all my classmates. Regardless of what the pyramid says most people eat what tastes good to them. Carbs taste good, and the food industry has become very adept at making high calorie tasty foods at a low price.

From that link: Modeling the relationship between income and weight, they show how obesity tends to fall as income rises in rich countries and rise as income rises in
poor countries.

and But these alarming obesity statistics are even worse for low-income populations and especially poorer women. Research on minority women finds that among Mexican American females aged 20-74, the age-adjusted prevalence of overweight is 46 percent for low-income women compared to 40 percent for those living above the poverty level. Similarly, non-Hispanic women below the poverty line have obesity rates of 39 percent compared to rates of 25 percent above the poverty line.

a purely non-scientific opinionated biased view: crap carbs and fats are cheap. protein, fresh veg/fruit, so-called good fats and better-quality whole-grain carbs are typically not. however having been poor and now not poor, it's not that difficult nor expensive to eat properly. good raw ingredients are always cheaper than prepared crap, good prepared stuff like the chock-fulla-burrs-n-twigs bread I buy is a lot more expensive than the 98-cent crap at Wal-Mart, etc. a chicken is what, $5, but you have to spend time preparing it when you can buy a bucket of KFC for maybe $8 that's coated in breading and fried in trans-fat. blech, but convenient. convenience drives most peoples' buying habits, I'd venture, and that will almost always trump quality.

none of this explains how this dude ate himself to 1,037lbs. while it's easy to blame pure gluttony, there are probably some serious mental derailments going on here too. I suppose it's possible to become as addicted to eating as to heroin or tobacco, given the right state of mind. in fact I think I've read of such a thing, where this kid's parent had to lock up all the food, but I can't recall where, and I think there was some degree of mental impairment/OCD going on rather than a general addiction.

oh, speaking of eating, it's time for my whey. urp!