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makstaks
Sat, October 29th, 2005, 12:03 PM
I'm surprised the SUP2 workouts are only 20minutes long. I think i would go crazy doing such short workouts, separating the cardio, and eating like a horse. I love being active, but what a huge lifestyle change. I'll probably get to SUP2 in january. No idea how far SGX will take me but i will probably end up being very light. I wonder where i would be...

Im 5'10
1994 i was slim, 18 and weighed 145lbs, maybe 11% fat.
2003 i was fat, 27 and weighed 220lbs, around 28% fat.
Now im around 175lbs (threw out scale), around 18%fat.

I'm guessing i'll reach 155 to 160lbs. Ouch! But when i get on SUP2, i will probably blow up...uhhh swole up! I'll really pay attention to your progress more mentality wise than anything else. At least you got high-volume approved. Definitely let us know how you feel on this program.

John Stone
Sat, October 29th, 2005, 07:08 PM
Tonight was leg night, but I posted pictures of my legs yesterday so I thought I'd post a picture of my arms with no pump. At least that was my intention. What really jumps out at me are my traps. I've made some good (and much needed) improvement in that area while I was cutting, and I expect that after my bulk they will be up to par with the rest of my body.

Traps...

John Stone
Sat, October 29th, 2005, 10:15 PM
One final update to my bulking training splits...

I've been doing my delts, triceps and biceps on the same day, but it's too much for one day. My delts need a lot of work, so I always do them first. Problem is, by the time I'm done blasting my delts I can barely lift my arms, so my bicep and tricep workout is suffering. I'm moving to the following 5-day split, which SwoleCat has approved:

Monday: Cardio
Tuesday: Back & Traps
Wednesday: Cardio
Thursday: Pecs & Delts
Friday: Abs & Traps
Saturday: Legs
Sunday: Biceps & Triceps

:bb: :eat: :bb: :eat: :bb: :eat: :bb: :eat: :bb: :eat: :bb: :eat:


:flex:

Andrew
Sat, October 29th, 2005, 10:26 PM
I hate these harsh Florida falls and winters. I think I'm going to hang out in my backyard today and work on my tan. :p

The gardens are growing in nicely!

Lol....are you serious? It was snowing today here....

bbgonnabe
Sun, October 30th, 2005, 01:21 AM
...What really jumps out at me are my traps. I've made some good (and much needed) improvement in that area while I was cutting, and I expect that after my bulk they will be up to par with the rest of my body.

Traps...

A most muscular pose would really show them off!

chicanerous
Sun, October 30th, 2005, 01:49 AM
Tonight was leg night, but I posted pictures of my legs yesterday so I thought I'd post a picture of my arms with no pump. At least that was my intention. What really jumps out at me are my traps.
That's the best gun's shot I've seen yet! And your rear delts are filling in nicely as well! They're key to a well rounded shoulder; I remember thinking they were underdeveloped looking a few months ago, but they're looking a lot better now.

John Stone
Sun, October 30th, 2005, 07:07 AM
A most muscular pose would really show them off!I'll probably be doing those a lot just for fun as my bulk progresses. :lol:

John Stone
Sun, October 30th, 2005, 07:11 AM
That's the best gun's shot I've seen yet!...and I didn't even pump up for that one. ;) Thanks!

And your rear delts are filling in nicely as well! They're key to a well rounded shoulder; I remember thinking they were underdeveloped looking a few months ago, but they're looking a lot better now.I agree, there has been some amount of improvement, but they still need much work. Which brings me to my revised, revised, REVISED, REVISED split....

Chris has not approved this yet, but I want to give my delts their own day (along with a little trap work) because they are lagging so far behind. This is the split I've asked SC to look at and (hopefully) approve:

Monday: Cardio
Tuesday: Back & Traps
Wednesday: Chest & Abs
Thursday: Cardio
Friday: Legs
Saturday: Delts & Traps
Sunday: Biceps & Triceps

EDIT: The above split is now "SwoleCat approved", and will be my official bulking split. No more changes. :)

SteveO
Sun, October 30th, 2005, 03:59 PM
I hate these harsh Florida falls and winters. I think I'm going to hang out in my backyard today and work on my tan. :p

The gardens are growing in nicely!

Yeah, with a place like that you can take a one day vacation right in your own back yard!! Literally!!


Enjoy,
-SteveO..

The Abdominal Snowman
Mon, October 31st, 2005, 02:28 AM
Monday: Cardio
Tuesday: Back & Traps
Wednesday: Chest & Abs
Thursday: Cardio
Friday: Legs
Saturday: Delts & Traps
Sunday: Biceps & Triceps

Only one day of rest between biceps & back day? :confused:

John Stone
Mon, October 31st, 2005, 08:24 AM
Only one day of rest between biceps & back day? :confused:Shouldn't be a problem. I did that same bicep/back interval through my SGX program and still added 1/2 inch to my arms - while cutting!

karatetricker
Mon, October 31st, 2005, 09:20 AM
Only one day of rest between biceps & back day? :confused:

I've come to the realization that if you don't do a split with back/bis and chest/tris (which I hate), then it is nearly impossible to separate every muscle group that is indirectly worked by another one by more than a day.

SwoleCat
Mon, October 31st, 2005, 11:31 AM
I've come to the realization that if you don't do a split with back/bis and chest/tris (which I hate), then it is nearly impossible to separate every muscle group that is indirectly worked by another one by more than a day.


Yeah, me too! :lol:

Snowman:
John won't have an issue w/this, as he knows his body. In addition, the back work he will do uses deads as the main exercise (overall mass builder) so the other exercises that involve the pulling and use of biceps, will only serve as an active recovery type of exercise for the biceps, and won't lead to over-training. I have areas that I asked he watch for, and this is one of them along w/the triceps and shoulder split.

~SC~

1FastGTX
Mon, October 31st, 2005, 01:54 PM
I've come to the realization that if you don't do a split with back/bis and chest/tris (which I hate), then it is nearly impossible to separate every muscle group that is indirectly worked by another one by more than a day.
Yep, KT funny you mention this, I am coming to the same conclusion (as you probably already know).

Well, unless you work out 5-6 days a week. :)

John Stone
Mon, October 31st, 2005, 07:38 PM
For the past few hours I've been working on a special Daily News update for tomorrow. It's the end of my SGX program, the start of what promises to be my most productive bulk, and it's been almost three years since I started this incredible fitness adventure. With all that in mind, I thought it would be fun and interesting to recount some of the highs and lows I've experienced over the past few years with pictures and my retrospective thoughts.

I know some of you don't check out the main JSF page (http://www.johnstonefitness.com/)every day, but tomorrow's update should be worth a visit if you've at all followed my progress. I'll also have my new monthly pictures up (which, of course, are my post-SGX pictures!)

I hope you have as much fun reading it as I did putting it together!

JoeSchmo
Mon, October 31st, 2005, 07:56 PM
John, I know one of your main goals during cutting was to eliminate that "trouble spot" below your belly button. Were you finally able to rid yourself of it? The fact that I have to ask means that it isn't visible in your pictures at least. :tu:

Also, given your strong response to SGX, I wouldn't be surprised at all if you ended up with 17.5+ inch (cold) flexed arms. That would be incredible.

John Stone
Mon, October 31st, 2005, 09:06 PM
John, I know one of your main goals during cutting was to eliminate that "trouble spot" below your belly button. Were you finally able to rid yourself of it? The fact that I have to ask means that it isn't visible in your pictures at least. :tu:It's still there, and at this point I have to think it probably always will be unless I'm willing to go down to competition bodyfat levels.

Also, given your strong response to SGX, I wouldn't be surprised at all if you ended up with 17.5+ inch (cold) flexed arms. That would be incredible.I'd love that! However, I need to keep in mind that the focus of this bulk is going to be on less "showy" muscles. In order of importance: upper back/lats, mid-back, traps, delts, pecs, biceps, triceps and abs. My legs are genetically predisposed to be huge, so they will grow no matter what and are not much of a concern.

Still, if I have 17.5 inch arms at the end of this, I won't complain! :D

John Stone
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 07:10 AM
My monthly pictures and my (almost) 3-year retrospective have been posted. If you are reading this on November 1, 2005, you can find it all on the main page: http://www.johnstonefitness.com/
If you are reading this any time after November 1, 2005, it can be found in the archives: http://www.johnstonefitness.com/news/nov_2005_news_archive.php#11012005

carguy
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 07:24 AM
My monthly pictures and my (almost) 3-year retrospective have been posted. If you are reading this on November 1, 2005, you can find it all on the main page: http://www.johnstonefitness.com/
If you are reading this any time after November 1, 2005, it can be found in the archives: http://www.johnstonefitness.com/news/nov_2005_news_archive.php#11012005

Hey John, let me be the first to tell you great work on the synopsis. Your transformation is always amazing to witness. I've only been at the site for about 8 months but they have been 8 successful months. Good luck with your bulk. Keep inspiring us! :tu:

xman
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 07:25 AM
As always, John, you impress the hell out of me. Your dedication and continued progress are the gold standard for so many of us that visit this site. Congratulations....you deserve every ounce of success that you obviously worked so hard for.

For those about to bulk, we salute you.

wh0rume
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 07:40 AM
wow. are you sure you havnt been bulking since july? looking perfect!

Dancer
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 08:02 AM
My monthly pictures and my (almost) 3-year retrospective have been posted. If you are reading this on November 1, 2005, you can find it all on the main page: http://www.johnstonefitness.com/

:p Dammit second act in one day of gullibility for a split second..
the last bit through me off and my heart even sank :lol: :lol:

SGX did wonders for you aswell as possibly some hardwork and dedication ;) Looking tops!!!

SteveO
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 08:17 AM
Healthy!! :nod:

That's the word that comes to mind when I see the Nov. pics.

Man, you look better than ever John...Aint that neat? Better than EVAR!! Healthier today than you may have ever been your whole life? Now that's rewarding!!

With the fine specimen of a base you've developed, I'll bet the progress you make on this bulk you're starting is going to really blow your mind, and others...


Excited for You!!,:spaz:
-SteveO

Reno_1ted
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 08:48 AM
The new pics are awesome and your arms are starting to scare me dude!!! Great work, once again. :)

I think seperating delts and pecs will make a big difference to your delts. Am i right in remembering you did pecs/delts together last bulk ?

I really enjoyed the memory lane update. I think for me one of the most noticeable days was when you first changed from serious face to smiling face. I dunno, i think the serious face was for the old john in the first pic. The smiling face kinda made me think, this guy is happy now and at peace with himself. It seemed almost reflected in your posts from then. It was a great JSF moment for me. Kinda silly huh ?

Well, heres to the next 3 years my mate. Cant wait to see the bulk.

Justitia
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 08:50 AM
What a journey! Thanks so much for taking the time to put that pictorial retrospective together. You have accomplished so much. And though you of course look better today than a year and a half ago, it is even all the more impressive that you continued to seek improvement when you already looked great then. The few people who would have gotten as far as you did then, would have just stopped...being pleased with what they had.

But your journey shows what a truly lifetime experience this is. Like with every other aspect of our lives, if we continue to work on ourselves we keep on improving and getting better and getting more satisfaction and enjoyment out our lives. And this is true for our physical selves too.

What a great journey..thanks for the retrospective, the comments, the enlightening history... and as everyone has said here repeatedly, for being such a wonderful inspiration, John.... :nod: :tucool:

HIIT MAN
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 09:12 AM
John,
Thanks for the memory trip today, It was really moving to relive all those moments and as always an inspiration to us all to keeping up the new life style!!!!

Well Done everybody

HIIT MAN

TarSeal
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 10:05 AM
So, there it is! Thanks for taking a trip down memory lane with me. It was a lot of fun for me to create, and I hope you enjoyed it. It is on this note that, with regret, I must say farewell. I will no longer be updating JSF after today.

Thanks for the heart attack! I am glad you were kidding- I guess I'm a sucker! :o

As a new guy I really appreciate the pictoral. Your progress is incredible and you look the best you ever have today. Huge comes to mind. Can't wait to see what the bulk brings.

gravityhomer
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 10:13 AM
It was cool to see the many faces of John Stone. Coming to the site almost daily for the last 2 years I feel like I went through it to. And I also feel like my views on body physique changed right along with yours. I remember thinking how ripped you looked before your first bulk, and thinking it would be awesome to have that body, but now I completely agree that you were way too skinny. I also remember the toll that not being able to do upper body workouts took on you. You came off as being very patient whenever you talked about it, but you could tell that it was definitely wearing you down. I remember how the forums mood got happier when you were able to start lifting again.

And I agree with the above comment that you look the best now of all.

Congratulations on accomplishing everything you attempt!

TheRyanator
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 10:26 AM
Wow John, what a change you have made!

Your Nov. pics are the best yet. Seems like you have a great base to start really growing on now...look out Mr. Cutler!

JK, I know you probably dont want to get that big, but dude you are big already and you have achieved success with each of your bulks, so no doubt you will be getting bigger again during this next bulk. :tu:

Thanks for the inspiration!

Nico
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 12:31 PM
What a great update-- And seeing today's photo anyone would have to agree that SGX works. The gunz are looking a bit scary-the tricep seems to be jumping off the bone. Was that pic totally unpumped? If so you should take one after a proper pump and compare since you're bulking as of today. Your last chance for awhile.

seeDerekNow
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 01:20 PM
John, I think this trip down memory lane would not be complete without something extra special for nostalgia....


THE RETURN OF THE SNOWBOARDING M&M BOXER SHORTS!!


:claphigh: :claphigh: :claphigh: :claphigh: :claphigh:

SwoleCat
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 01:31 PM
Quite simply:

John Stone is a P-I-M-P.

:bb:

You know I've got your back w/any help you need to continue doing what you are doing to your body and mind, and the way in which that translates into helping others do the same.

Your friend,

~SC~

Gila Monster
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 02:53 PM
John, you look AMAZING!!!

SGX did wonders!

ATJ
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 03:24 PM
HOLY **** I JUST SAW YOUR CALVE PICS! Wow,Nice calves :d_eek: :d_eek: :d_eek: :d_eek:

crazyguns
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 04:06 PM
John, those legs have come a long way in those new pics! Everything has come a long way, but man your legs have gotten big!

I think I need your help with a good leg routine.

John Stone
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 04:48 PM
Thanks very much for all the wonderful comments! I'm really glad some of you got a kick out of today's update. Although somewhat time consuming to put together, it was one of the easiest and most fun Daily News updates I've ever written. I had a great time last night going through my old pictures and thinking about everything that's happened over the past 3 years. It's been a very long time since I've looked at some of those old pictures.

I feel like I'm about to burst! I've been eating so much food today, and I'm just not used to it yet. I've got my first bulking back/traps workout all ready to go, and I'll be starting that in about an hour. I'm so ready for this...

JabbaTheGutt
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 06:19 PM
Nice work - I like your garden too... :D

:gl: Good luck with the bulk.

G

handle
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 06:25 PM
damn make you make a good point John, in like July 2003 you say that you thought you looked great, but now you can't even look at it anymore. I just started working out 2 months ago and have seen great results and started off pretty fit compared to many people, I was in the "healthy range" (meaning still fat) :D . I hope I can look like your July 2003 picture in a couple of months, feel very proud and then bulk and look as great as you do in October 2003. Damn, props man, you've transformed into something great. :tucool:

John Stone
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 07:06 PM
Thanks guys...

You know, even though I don't like how I looked in the summer of 2003, I still look back and am very proud of what I did. Sure, I made some mistakes but I always keep moving forward and trying to improve. It's a process that takes time. I would rather look like I did in the summer of 2003 over January 2003 any day! Also, I was very healthy and fit that summer. I didn't have much muscle to begin with, and what little I did have hardly stood a chance.

My mistakes and failures are as public as my victories, so I hope by keeping everything out in the open I can help others avoid some of the problems I ran into. Of course the combined knowledge of this community takes things to a whole new level!

John Stone
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 07:14 PM
My goodness, what an amazing workout. What an incredible start to my bulk. I couldn't be more pleased right now.

All the extra food today made me feel strong as an ox; My energy levels are high; My motivation is through the roof; The new music gave me a huge rush...

I started this workout and said to myself, "Dude, you've only got 12-16 back workouts in this bulk. You better make every second count. Hit those weights like every set is your last set."

That's exactly what I did, and I never felt so good in my life.

I know I'm gushing right now, but man... even though I feel like puking, I still feel like a million dollars.

One picture today, I was too tired for anything more. I don't know what you call this pose, but at least it's not the same-old.

wh0rume
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 07:20 PM
i bet $100.01 that you're going to post again after your next meal :)
...saying how you feel like you're stomach is going to burst, etc, etc.

Edit: interesting - i could have sworn i said $0.01?

John Stone
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 08:02 PM
i bet $100.01 that you're going to post again after your next meal :)
...saying how you feel like you're stomach is going to burst, etc, etc.Now I won't! You can PayPal the money to john@johnstonefitness.com

Thanks, nice betting with you!

karatetricker
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 08:07 PM
Now I won't! You can PayPal the money to john@johnstonefitness.com

Thanks, nice betting with you!

Umm... did who actually go through with it? I see a big shiny thing under his name!


EDIT 1: Or did he make that his avatar? :confused:

EDIT 2: Well, he has always been a donating member and since there's only one, it's not his avatar. Maybe he was always Platinum, I just didn't notice. :confused:


Anyway, looking incredible John!

wh0rume
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 08:11 PM
yeah, i'm gul-able like that.

but i thought i said $0.01, not 100.01....
maybe a mistype on my part.

karatetricker
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 08:14 PM
yeah, i'm gul-able like that.

but i thought i said $0.01, not 100.01....
maybe a mistype on my part.

haha, I wonder how that got changed... :whistle:


John, since you're following your own lifting routine, do you have it posted anywhere?

wh0rume
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 08:16 PM
i think he's still following the SGX routine basically, so im guessing he still cant post it.

karatetricker
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 08:19 PM
i think he's still following the SGX routine basically, so im guessing he still cant post it.

Ohh, I thought during SGX he also followed his own routine, except maybe leg day. Anyway, not a big deal. If it's posted I'm just curious to see what it looks like. :tucool:

John Stone
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 09:05 PM
Hey KT -

Actually, SwoleCat said I could talk about my splits and exercises when I was on SGX, so it's not a problem. I'm not using the standard SUP2 weight training program for my bulk, I'm doing my own higher volume workouts, which are similar to the SGX workouts.

Here are my splits:

Monday: Cardio
Tuesday: Back & Traps
Wednesday: Chest & Abs
Thursday: Cardio
Friday: Legs
Saturday: Delts & Traps
Sunday: Biceps & Triceps


The training principles I'm following for my bulk are pretty simple:

* 3-4 exercises per body part (with certain exceptions, such as traps and calves).
* 4 sets per exercise.
* 8-10 reps per set.
* Keep it intense: 1 minute rest between sets, 2 minutes rest between exercises. I take two minutes between sets for squats and deads.
* Strict form.
* Approximately 2 second concentric, squeeze, 3 second eccentric.
* Mind/muscle connection at all times - FOCUS.

I change exercises every 3 weeks or so. Here was tonight's back/traps workout:

BACK
4x10 Low cable rows
4x10 Weighted wide-grip pull-ups
4x10 Bent-over dumbbell rows
4x10 Deadlifts

TRAPS
4x12 Dumbbell shrugs

Total workout time was under 45 minutes, including warm-ups.

guava
Tue, November 1st, 2005, 10:08 PM
Holy cow. What a trip. Fantastic!

I keep thinking after each set of pictures that you post "Well, what's he going to do now? You can't improve on perfection." And yet, each time you do.
:claplow:

The Abdominal Snowman
Wed, November 2nd, 2005, 09:48 AM
Snowman:
John won't have an issue w/this, as he knows his body. In addition, the back work he will do uses deads as the main exercise (overall mass builder) so the other exercises that involve the pulling and use of biceps, will only serve as an active recovery type of exercise for the biceps, and won't lead to over-training. I have areas that I asked he watch for, and this is one of them along w/the triceps and shoulder split.

Sorry Chris & John for a lack of reply, had some nasty personal stuff going on the past few days...

Back on topic: when does active recovery turn into overtraining?

Oranzith
Wed, November 2nd, 2005, 02:22 PM
john, do you still train to failure? or with this scheme, do you use % of 1RM to come close to failure, but never reach it?


one thing i might propose John - despite your success with a high volume routine, it may prove beneficial to every couple work outs toss in a low-rep work out. Possibly doing some 10X3 or 8X3. Not so much to do any of that "shocking" business, not sure i believe too hardily in that, but to focus on your nervous system/strength progression.

Low reps may not solely build tons of muscle (certainly they can for some) but they DO build your nervous system and strength better than higher rep schemes. Just a thought.

karatetricker
Wed, November 2nd, 2005, 03:05 PM
My question about all this high vs. low volume workout success is, didn't you use Max-OT, a rather low volume lifting program for your last, extremely successful bulk?


And just to throw it out there, I highly dislike low volume for similar reasons to you, I love my lifting workouts and don't feel fully satisfied after only 20-25 mins. However, I was just curious about your thoughts about the success of your last low volume routine.

John Stone
Wed, November 2nd, 2005, 03:19 PM
john, do you still train to failure? or with this scheme, do you use % of 1RM to come close to failure, but never reach it?I train to failure, yes. If my plan is to do 4x10 but I can get more than 10 reps up on any of those sets, then I'm damn straight going to do it and increase the weight next week. "Failure" (to me) means if I struggle and barely get the last rep up or break form, that's when I'm done with that set; I don't necessarily have to have the weight come crashing down on the safety bars.

John Stone
Wed, November 2nd, 2005, 03:24 PM
My question about all this high vs. low volume workout success is, didn't you use Max-OT, a rather low volume lifting program for your last, extremely successful bulk?Yes, I sure did. MAX-OT is a great program.

And just to throw it out there, I highly dislike low volume for similar reasons to you, I love my lifting workouts and don't feel fully satisfied after only 20-25 mins. However, I was just curious about your thoughts about the success of your last low volume routine.I'm not sure I'd classify MAX-OT as "low volume". I was doing 3x6, 3-4 exercises per body part. Not high volume, but not as low as SUP2's STS program.

I just want to try something new this time, it's really that simple. I like trying different things to see how I respond. That's how I learn. Seeing how I responded on SGX with a higher volume program gave me the idea to try something like that for my bulk. I mean, I was adding mass on a caloric deficit! I thought to myself, "Imagine how I'd be doing if I were on a sound bulking diet?" Well, we're going to find out!

karatetricker
Wed, November 2nd, 2005, 03:50 PM
Good deal. I thought the reason for the change to higher volume was because you know it works, but it had just occurred to me that you know a "lower" volume also works, for you. Either way, considering both have proven success, I definitely know why you would go with the higher volume. :tucool:

John Stone
Wed, November 2nd, 2005, 07:09 PM
No pictures tonight, I'm too tired to do anything but sit here and drink my protein shake. I'm so shaky that I dropped my Nextel twice just walking form my gym to my office, and when I went to grab my mouse I knocked it off my desk with the back of my hand.

Excellent workout! My left shoulder hurt a little by the time I got to my cable crossover work, but other than that no problems.

I did a "back to basics" chest workout. I'll do this for the next few weeks. Here's what I did:

CHEST
4x10 Flat bench press
4x10 Incline bench press
4xburnout dips (body weight)
4x10 High cable-crossover (lower chest - standing upright)

ABS
4x25 Weighted decline crunches
4x15 Vertical leg lifts

Workout took just over 45 minutes.

sc7389
Wed, November 2nd, 2005, 08:05 PM
Nextel makes sturdy phones. I dropped mine down the stairs (3 flights of stairs in fact) and it's still working fine. It hit every step on the way down. That was over a year ago.

Do you use the same weight for both flat and incline bench press? I'm asking because personally, I can't use the same weight for both. The incline bench weight has to be lower. I'm wondering if it's the same for you, and others.

John Stone
Wed, November 2nd, 2005, 08:22 PM
Nextel makes sturdy phones. They do, but we have ours on us 24/7. Over the last 5 or 6 years one of my co-workers has ruined 2 of them by dropping them in the toilet, he destroyed another one dropping it into a mud puddle and yet another one due to... let's just say stress. I've broken the flip on two of my phones over the years.

Do you use the same weight for both flat and incline bench press? No, I reduce the weight for incline. I think most people do.

sc7389
Wed, November 2nd, 2005, 09:10 PM
They do, but we have ours on us 24/7. Over the last 5 or 6 years one of my co-workers has ruined 2 of them by dropping them in the toilet, he destroyed another one dropping it into a mud puddle and yet another one due to... let's just say stress. I've broken the flip on two of my phones over the years.


Ha! I almost ruined my phone when I dropped it in a puddle. It wouldn't power on at first and the buttons would act as if they were pressed down (making it play the ring tone without anyone pressing down on the volume up/down buttons). After a few days of laying around drying off, it was as good as new. I'm taking about an i730 phone.

No, I reduce the weight for incline. I think most people do.

Good to know. I've been pushing myself hard on the incline and still couldn't get my incline weight to equal that of my flat weight. It's nice to know that it's a normal occurrence.

The Abdominal Snowman
Thu, November 3rd, 2005, 03:25 AM
Good to know. I've been pushing myself hard on the incline and still couldn't get my incline weight to equal that of my flat weight. It's nice to know that it's a normal occurrence.

Decline > Flat > Incline > Military

sc7389
Thu, November 3rd, 2005, 01:43 PM
Really? Hm. I haven't benched on a decline in a while. I'll have to give it a go.

John Stone
Fri, November 4th, 2005, 07:26 PM
Tonight was leg night! Another excellent workout. I smashed the living hell out of my finger and was bleeding all over my gym. I didn't want to stop because it would have screwed up my rest intervals. Actually, the blood and pain kind of motivated me. It hurt like hell, so I took it out on the weights. I pretended that I was in an Universal Nutrition "Animal" ad. :lol: (one of their new ads has some dude with his hands wrapped and blood coming through the wrap in the knuckle area. The "blood" looks like it was put on with a red sharpie).

Here was the workout:

UPPER LEGS
4x12 Leg extensions
4x10 Lying leg curls
4x12 DB lunges
4x8 Barbell squats (I went pretty heavy)

CALVES
4x12 Standing DB calf raises

Workout took just over 40 minutes.

Cheat meal tonight! First cheat meal in almost 3 weeks, I think. :eat:

TheRyanator
Fri, November 4th, 2005, 08:04 PM
They do, but we have ours on us 24/7. Over the last 5 or 6 years one of my co-workers has ruined 2 of them by dropping them in the toilet, he destroyed another one dropping it into a mud puddle and yet another one due to... let's just say stress. I've broken the flip on two of my phones over the years.


My dad broke one of our business phones because he left it on the back of his toilet one afternoon on accident and it was set on the vibrate ringer. He missed three calls, which managed to vibrate the phone right off the back of the throne and into the toilet...he was pretty surprised when he went in the bathroom looking for his phone and it was in the toilet...fortunately it was "clean" water and he was able to fish it out, at which point he realized what had happened. We still give him a hard time about it two years later...:lol:

1FastGTX
Sat, November 5th, 2005, 01:49 AM
...Universal Nutrition "Animal" ad. :lol: (one of their new ads has some dude with his hands wrapped and blood coming through the wrap in the knuckle area. The "blood" looks like it was put on with a red sharpie)...
Okay, after reading this I go to animalpak.com to find this new ad (their ads are always pretty good, imho). It wasn't there, so I tried Google Images. Well I type in "animal pak blood" - nothing. But typing "animal pak" DID give me a lot of results.

But that isn't the point of my post. The funny thing was, the 5th image, and TONS MORE images, were right from our very own Skippy Podar's website!

Skip, if you're reading this, what in the world is this!!? It's hilarious, I do have to admit!

http://www.skippypodar.net/WebGallery/IncaMan/IncaMan-AnimalPak.jpg

LarryNC
Sat, November 5th, 2005, 01:58 AM
Okay, after reading this I go to animalpak.com to find this new ad (their ads are always pretty good, imho). It wasn't there, so I tried Google Images. Well I type in "animal pak blood" - nothing. But typing "animal pak" DID give me a lot of results.

But that isn't the point of my post. The funny thing was, the 5th image, and TONS MORE images, were right from our very own Skippy Podar's website!

Skip, if you're reading this, what in the world is this!!? It's hilarious, I do have to admit!

http://www.skippypodar.net/WebGallery/IncaMan/IncaMan-AnimalPak.jpg

oh my god, ahahaha!

John Stone
Sat, November 5th, 2005, 07:11 AM
Skip is so funny, that's awesome!

Here's the ad I'm talking about (scanned from M&F). I was right that it's from Universal Nutrition, but I don't think it's part of their "Animal" campaign. Anyway, the blood looks silly and fake to me.

uRi
Sat, November 5th, 2005, 08:37 AM
Anyway, the blood looks silly and fake to me.

as you now know how real workout blood looks ;) maybe you should have taken pics and sent them in to be the new, no pain, no gain model :D

The Abdominal Snowman
Sat, November 5th, 2005, 09:09 AM
Skip is so funny, that's awesome!

Here's the ad I'm talking about (scanned from M&F). I was right that it's from Universal Nutrition, but I don't think it's part of their "Animal" campaign. Anyway, the blood looks silly and fake to me.

Obviously, they've never bled under cloth, because if blood comes through it, it sure as heck won't drip the way it does here. This has been applied from the outside.

Even if it would have been done perfectly, why the *#$&#@ would one bleed from his knuckles doing any exercise except knuckle pushups? :lol:

John Stone
Sat, November 5th, 2005, 09:36 AM
Even if it would have been done perfectly, why the *#$&#@ would one bleed from his knuckles doing any exercise except knuckle pushups? :lol:Maybe someone who wasn't very Animal had the nerve to ask if he could work in, and, as a result, was (rightfully) beaten to death by Mr. Hardcore. :confused:

That would explain everything, including the blood on the outside of the gloves.

uRi
Sat, November 5th, 2005, 09:37 AM
Even if it would have been done perfectly, why the *#$&#@ would one bleed from his knuckles doing any exercise except knuckle pushups? :lol:

boxing without protection or just hitting a solid wall, because it offended you.

1FastGTX
Sat, November 5th, 2005, 10:01 AM
Skip is so funny, that's awesome!

Here's the ad I'm talking about (scanned from M&F). I was right that it's from Universal Nutrition, but I don't think it's part of their "Animal" campaign. Anyway, the blood looks silly and fake to me.
Agreed about Skip! Last night I spent like an hour and a half on his website. I had been there before, but never really spent much time. Wow he has a lot of good articles! He's hilarious too. :lol:

Thanks for scanning that ad out of Muscle and Fiction. :p You're right, it looks like red magic marker. Also looks KIND OF like the same model from most of the Animal ads (Andrew G...something--I posted pics of his before), but bigger arms.

OoOGazOoO
Sat, November 5th, 2005, 03:37 PM
By the way John, you look absolutley fantastic buddy!!!

Your arms are something else mate.

1FastGTX
Sat, November 5th, 2005, 05:23 PM
Hey John! I got the perfect addition to your weight room! You can get that ad as a poster for $2.95! I may have to buy one and ship it to you...maybe not! :lol:

http://www.universalnutrition.com/store/html/product.cfm?id=280

John Stone
Sat, November 5th, 2005, 07:23 PM
Tonight was delts and traps, and it was another top-notch workout. The only problem is, while I was doing my Bent-Over DB Side Raises, my right shoulder started hurting pretty bad. Right now its got that terrible, familair pain that I had back when I injured it in 2003. I've felt that pain again since that injury, and thankfuly it went away quickly. I hope that's the case again this time. I'm icing it now, and thinking positive thoughts! ++++

I took a few pictures after my workout (attached). Here's what I did:

DELTS
4x12 Smith machine shoulder presses (to front)
4x12 DB side rasies
4x12 Bent-over DB side raises
4x12 Upright cable rows

TRAPS
4xburnout DB shrugs

Workout took about 45 minutes.

John Stone
Sat, November 5th, 2005, 07:27 PM
By the way John, you look absolutley fantastic buddy!!!

Your arms are something else mate.Thanks for the complement!

wh0rume
Sat, November 5th, 2005, 07:32 PM
man... what great timing for your shoulder injury to come back right before a bulk?
i hope it's a false alarm.
it might just be arthritis? but you might be too young for that?

i should have been a doctor :nod:

MGB
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 03:18 AM
Amazing.

JoeSchmo
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 08:23 AM
man... what great timing for your shoulder injury to come back right before a bulk?
i hope it's a false alarm.
it might just be arthritis? but you might be too young for that?

i should have been a doctor :nod:


That is what I was thinking. What a terrible time for a shoulder injury. There is reason to be positive though -- Remember the hernia injury turned out to be nothing, as did the shoulder pain sustained from doing yard work a few months ago. In any case John, stay positive, but don't push it too much. Hope it turns out OK.

Beige
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 09:07 AM
Anyway, the blood looks silly and fake to me.

Not only does the blood look fake and silly, the placement is anatomically unlikely. In boxing the first two knuckles will occasionally break open and bleed, because those are taking the brunt of the punch impact. Such knuckle cuts are rare for the other two smaller knuckles, though, as that part of the hand isn't sturdy enough to channel much punching force (i.e. you're more likely to break the lower part of the fist than to punch it to the point of bleeding).

Then again, the gym the gentleman is in looks pretty cheap and tacky, so maybe he simply cut himself trying to fit the self-made dip belt on? :-)

gravityhomer
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 09:41 AM
Hey john,
I assume you take some sort of anti-inflammatory, Alieve or Ibuprofin.

I hope the pain dissipates quickly. You look awesome in those last photos!

makstaks
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 12:31 PM
Maybe someone who wasn't very Animal had the nerve to ask if he could work in, and, as a result, was (rightfully) beaten to death by Mr. Hardcore. :confused:

That would explain everything, including the blood on the outside of the gloves.

How did the blood get on my knuckles...

I entered the gym as i do any day...two 100lb plates strapped to a chain 'round my 28inch neck. Intimidating yes, flashy no. You see, every waking moment I'm on a mission. Todays agenda, blast my back. Destination, pull up bar. I added 2 more 100lb plates to the chain on my neck to start my warmups. 3 sets of 400 X 20. With blood coursing through my veins i knew it was time. Time for animal pak. I grabbed the nearest pencil necked 300lb prettyboy and pop his head off like cork from a champagne bottle. I slam all 48 animal pak pills in my mouth and wash it down with prettyboy's blood in one mighty gulp. Taking advantage of this important window-of-opportunity is necessary to achieve results like mine. I am now fueled with 1,000,000% essential vitamins and aminos and all that good sh*t. F**k, i get the shakes thinking bout it awwready. And im ready...ready to dominate bent over rows. The hardcore nitro aminos kicked in growing my biceps from 36 to 40inches, also adding an additional 6 inches to my back. TOday was the day to go for it. I rack up 1,000 pounds and proceed to rep my back to oblivion. Bar bending under the weight starting to piss me off. But i dont let it stop me. Set after intense set I proceeded to rack up more, and more, and more. New PR 1600 x 10. The rest was a blur, but i got the job done.

I rest on a nearby weight bench taxed from the hardcore beasting...enough time for an admirer to snap that photo of me. I look down at my knuckles and notice the blood. I grin reminiscing over the measly leftovers of a 300lb sacrifice used to fuel my ambition. You see John, i don't just workout, when i lift i defy the laws of motherfreaking nature. This is my world brothers, this is animal pak.

- MR HARDCORE, Animal Pak user since 2000


http://www.animalpak.com/html/article_details.cfm?section=livin&ID=118

Devery
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 02:59 PM
John, do you use a tanning booth, and if so, how often? Great color and one heck of a change from 03...I'm debating on Swolecat now. Your muscle definition is on the money IMO. :tucool:

John Stone
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 03:19 PM
wh0areume,
It's not arthritis. It has already been diagnosed as Chronic Tendonitis (http://www.johnstonefitness.com/news/apr_2004_news_archive.php#04102004) and Shoulder Impingement Syndrome (http://www.johnstonefitness.com/news/apr_2004_news_archive.php#04152004).


JoeSchmo,
I was thinking the same thing with regards to shoulder pain this summer when I put up the fence. That turned out to be nothing more than a strain. It's hurting a little now, but better than last night. I'm going to put some heat on it before my workout, and then ice it down after I'm done. Tonight is triceps and biceps, so the shoulder will be incorporated to a degree. As much as I'll hate to do it, I'll stop the workout if it's bothing me.


gravityhomer,
Actually I've got a doctor prescribed anti-inflammatory: Feldene (http://www.healthsquare.com/newrx/FEL1173.HTM), AKA "Piroxicam". Thanks for the kind words!


makstaks,
Dude, that was spot-on! Great parody - I loved it! :lol:


Devery,
Thanks! No - I don't use a tanning bed (http://www.johnstonefitness.com/php/faq.php#0410). No need to here in Florida when you spend as much time as I do outside.

themuss
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 04:21 PM
Hey John just wanted to say this month's pictures look AWESOME. I think this is the best you have ever been since you started, massive and shredded, what bodyfat % are you?

Gives me further proof that SGX works - I'm just about ready to jump on board.

Keep it up mate.

Justitia
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 07:19 PM
WOW!!!! Totally amazing....You look incredible...like a completely different person from a year ago.

What a testament to your discipline and dilligence and, most recently, to the incredible effectiveness of Swolecat's program.....:tucool: :tucool:

:claphigh: :claphigh: :claphigh:

John Stone
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 07:22 PM
I had a great workout tonight! My shoulder didn't bother me at all until the very end when I started doing hammer curls. Even then it was not too bad, but right now I've got it iced down and it's hurting a bit more than it was in the weight room. I think endorphins mask some of the discomfort, and that's something I need to be cognizant of if I want to avoid making it worse. It's so hard for me to come down once I get going. I consider that a positive trait, as long as I'm not injured! :p

Here was tonight's workout:

BICEPS/TRICEPS (SUPERSETS)
4x10 Machine preacher curls/4x10 Tricep cable push-downs
4x10 Ez-bar curls/4x10 Standing Ez-bar french curls
4x8 DB hammer curls/4x10 Standing DB tricep extensions

Workout took about 40 minutes.

So that workout completes one full week of bulking. I'll be doing the same exercises I've been posting to this journal over the past week (increasing weights, of course) for the next 2 or 3 weeks. I'll post new routines when I switch things up.

I had a nice pump going! Last night's shots were taken after my delts workout, so I had a little pump but nothing like the pump I get after a bi/tri superset workout. As of tonight my arms are bigger than they've ever been: I'm coming up on 17.5 inches (pumped, first picture - sorry so blurry).

Second picture is a side shot right after I finished my workout. My arm felt like it was going to pop open.

In the last shot I'm pointing to my favorite web site - it's really helped me get in shape. :lol:

John Stone
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 07:26 PM
Hey John just wanted to say this month's pictures look AWESOME. I think this is the best you have ever been since you started, massive and shredded, what bodyfat % are you?

Gives me further proof that SGX works - I'm just about ready to jump on board.

Keep it up mate.Thanks! I'm also very happy with this month's photo and the results of SGX. If my defective shoulder can hold together for a few more months I think my SUP2 bulk is going to raise my personal bar another notch.

I'm around 8% body fat in my November picture. Stats, past and present, can always been found here: http://www.johnstonefitness.com/php/stats.php

1FastGTX
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 07:26 PM
Great pics John! Arms looking really pumped for sure. :tucool:

In the last shot I'm pointing to my favorite web site - it's really helped me get in shape.
Yeah, that site is pretty good, I've been there once or twice. I think they have a new logo though. ;) :p

John Stone
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 07:29 PM
WOW!!!! Totally amazing....You look incredible...like a completely different person from a year ago.

What a testament to your discipline and dilligence and, most recently, to the incredible effectiveness of Swolecat's program.....:tucool: :tucool:

:claphigh: :claphigh: :claphigh:Thanks, Justitia! I really appreciate the kind remarks. :)

John Stone
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 07:30 PM
Great pics John! Arms looking really pumped for sure. :tucool: Thanks, man!


Yeah, that site is pretty good, I've been there once or twice. I think they have a new logo though. ;) :pI like to kick it old school, y0.

JoeSchmo
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 08:48 PM
Great pics John! Arms looking really pumped for sure. :tucool:


Wow! I agree John, it looks like you are just shy of an 18-inch arm pumped -- that is incredible for such a low bf. I think this bulk is going to be scary :eek:

Glad to hear your shoulder is feeling better :nod:

SteveO
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 09:33 PM
Damn Conan!!

Where did the last two nights pics come from? It seems like you've catapulted to a new level all of the sudden....

I know that when a guy who's in the shape you're in starts to bulk, things start to change very quickly....but you may be setting a new standard!!

I knew this was going to be a mind blower......

You keep inspiring the hell out of me man!!!

Great Work Bro!!,
-SteveO

John Stone
Sun, November 6th, 2005, 10:33 PM
Damn Conan!!

Where did the last two nights pics come from? It seems like you've catapulted to a new level all of the sudden....

I know that when a guy who's in the shape you're in starts to bulk, things start to change very quickly....but you may be setting a new standard!!

I knew this was going to be a mind blower......

You keep inspiring the hell out of me man!!!

Great Work Bro!!,
-SteveOThanks for the flattering words of encouragement!

I think several things have contributed to my good start: First, I've resumed taking creatine after almost 3 months of being off of it. I'm taking a couple of different kinds of creatine: CEE & Malate (I like BSN's NO-Xplode & CellMass). I've also been eating a lot of carbs. Of course I'm busing my butt in the gym and giving 110% effort in all my workouts. Additionally I'm eating clean, I'm getting plenty of rest and I try to maintain a positive attitude at all times (that really helps!) With the exception of the creatine, all those things I listed above are essential to bulking success. Unfortunately a lot of people who try to bulk only do a fraction of what's required to make good gains and, as a result, they gain nothing but fat and frustration. You know my philosophy: If you are going to do something, give it your all (and then a little more!)

I've gained 4.8 pounds in just 6 days, but of course very little, if any, of that weight is muscle. I have to fight for every ounce of muscle just like everyone else! Stay tuned, the real gains are coming... :tu:

makstaks
Mon, November 7th, 2005, 12:29 AM
Thanks for the flattering words of encouragement!

I think several things have contributed to my good start: First, I've resumed taking creatine after almost 3 months of being off of it. I'm taking a couple of different kinds of creatine: CEE & Malate (I like BSN's NO-Xplode & CellMass). I've also been eating a lot of carbs. Of course I'm busing my butt in the gym and giving 110% effort in all my workouts. Additionally I'm eating clean, I'm getting plenty of rest and I try to maintain a positive attitude at all times (that really helps!) With the exception of the creatine, all those things I listed above are essential to bulking success. Unfortunately a lot of people who try to bulk only do a fraction of what's required to make good gains and, as a result, they gain nothing but fat and frustration. You know my philosophy: If you are going to do something, give it your all (and then a little more!)

I've gained 4.8 pounds in just 6 days, but of course very little, if any, of that weight is muscle. I have to fight for every ounce of muscle just like everyone else! Stay tuned, the real gains are coming... :tu:


Hahaha! Man, you could make an animal pak story out of this. Damn, your bicep is as big as your head now! I predict the word "bro" becoming a regular part of your vocabulary as soon as you hit 225lbs. Good job man. Can't believe how much muscle you have put on in just the last year. You really prove how powerful the mind is and how the proper mindset can quickly change the body.
Cool. Gotta run and get my SGX chest workout in. Going to give it that Mr. Hardcore intensity! :db:

uRi
Mon, November 7th, 2005, 01:46 PM
In the last shot I'm pointing to my favorite web site - it's really helped me get in shape. :lol:

by far the most impressive shot, because of your pointing arm, it just looks huge. keep up the great work !
you are an inspiration as usual!

Coachese
Mon, November 7th, 2005, 02:08 PM
How did the blood get on my knuckles...

I entered the gym as i do any day...two 100lb plates strapped to a chain 'round my 28inch neck. Intimidating yes, flashy no. You see, every waking moment I'm on a mission. Todays agenda, blast my back. Destination, pull up bar. I added 2 more 100lb plates to the chain on my neck to start my warmups. 3 sets of 400 X 20. With blood coursing through my veins i knew it was time. Time for animal pak. I grabbed the nearest pencil necked 300lb prettyboy and pop his head off like cork from a champagne bottle. I slam all 48 animal pak pills in my mouth and wash it down with prettyboy's blood in one mighty gulp. Taking advantage of this important window-of-opportunity is necessary to achieve results like mine. I am now fueled with 1,000,000% essential vitamins and aminos and all that good sh*t. F**k, i get the shakes thinking bout it awwready. And im ready...ready to dominate bent over rows. The hardcore nitro aminos kicked in growing my biceps from 36 to 40inches, also adding an additional 6 inches to my back. TOday was the day to go for it. I rack up 1,000 pounds and proceed to rep my back to oblivion. Bar bending under the weight starting to piss me off. But i dont let it stop me. Set after intense set I proceeded to rack up more, and more, and more. New PR 1600 x 10. The rest was a blur, but i got the job done.

I rest on a nearby weight bench taxed from the hardcore beasting...enough time for an admirer to snap that photo of me. I look down at my knuckles and notice the blood. I grin reminiscing over the measly leftovers of a 300lb sacrifice used to fuel my ambition. You see John, i don't just workout, when i lift i defy the laws of motherfreaking nature. This is my world brothers, this is animal pak.

- MR HARDCORE, Animal Pak user since 2000

Absolutely hilf'inlarious!!!!!!!

Hahaha! Man, you could make an animal pak story out of this. Damn, your bicep is as big as your head now! I predict the word "bro" becoming a regular part of your vocabulary as soon as you hit 225lbs.

Damn 2 in a row, BRO!!!!

:tucool: :tucool:

Great Stuff. Oh, BTW, great progress John!!

sc7389
Mon, November 7th, 2005, 02:22 PM
Hey John, do you ever plan on cutting below 9% bf to something like 6-7% (when you do cut) or do you plan on keeping your current bodyfat percentage?

John Stone
Mon, November 7th, 2005, 08:29 PM
Hey John, do you ever plan on cutting below 9% bf to something like 6-7% (when you do cut) or do you plan on keeping your current bodyfat percentage?I'm at 8% right now. I haven't planned out any future cuts, but I wouldn't rule out going below 8% at some point.

Abdominator
Tue, November 8th, 2005, 03:22 PM
Okay, after reading this I go to animalpak.com to find this new ad (their ads are always pretty good, imho). It wasn't there, so I tried Google Images. Well I type in "animal pak blood" - nothing. But typing "animal pak" DID give me a lot of results.

But that isn't the point of my post. The funny thing was, the 5th image, and TONS MORE images, were right from our very own Skippy Podar's website!

Skip, if you're reading this, what in the world is this!!? It's hilarious, I do have to admit!

http://www.skippypodar.net/WebGallery/IncaMan/IncaMan-AnimalPak.jpg

Hehehe... I'm just glad AnimalPak hasn't sued me for modifying their Ad. :)

Think of how much advertising they get now! For FREE!

- Skip :)

John Stone
Tue, November 8th, 2005, 07:35 PM
Someone emailed me a thoughtful and articulate letter this week:

"you are so full of urself you post pictures of urself after every single workout. no one cares but u. ive been working out way longer than u and its totaly obvious that ur on roids. i've taken roids b4 and i dont even make gains like u. id have a lot more respect for u if u would just admit it. stop posting so man damn pictures."

Of course I'm going to post lots of pictures. Dude, you're ("ur") talking to the guy who took pictures of himself every day for almost 2 years! :lol:

The obvious solution is to stop clicking the link to my thread and web site if you don't like looking at them. Honestly, I don't know what compels people to write emails like this. Don't like what's on? Change the channel!

As for the steroid accusations, come forward and put your money where your mouth is (see my FAQ (http://www.johnstonefitness.com/php/faq.php#0360)). I know you're reading this - I have your IP and I know you're a member here. In fact, you've looked at this very thread no less than 4 times TODAY! I'll let you in on a secret: email headers contain IP addresses. ;))


On to far more important things...

Well ALRIGHT! My shoulder didn't bother me at all tonight, except a little twinge while I was doing dumbbell rows. I took that as a blessing, and blew the doors off last week's workout both in weight and reps (tonight was back and traps night, BTW). All this extra food and the creatine has already made a big difference in my strength.

I've made some noticeable gains in my back over the past few months, but still have a long road ahead. I'll tell ya, if I keep having workouts like tonight for the rest of my bulk, I'm going to be doing great in 3 months!

First pictures is flexed. Second picture is my first rear lat spread. :o Oh well, it's a start!

Butterflyer
Tue, November 8th, 2005, 07:50 PM
Lat spread!!!:claplow: :claplow: Nice!

Plz keep posting man damn pictures! :lol:

Nico
Tue, November 8th, 2005, 08:11 PM
he's right that you've made more gains than most people who've been training for much longer. Give him SC's phone number and a Titan plus the will to work out hard and eat right and maybe he'll be posting pics on his own site.

wh0rume
Tue, November 8th, 2005, 08:19 PM
is he a regular poster here?
you know, you're under no legal or moral obligation to keep his identity a secret. :D

1FastGTX
Tue, November 8th, 2005, 08:30 PM
Steroids. :rolleyes: Welcome to my world, John. Although you've been here for a while now; I know this isn't the first guy to accuse you.

Jealousy.

Anyway, back pics look good! In that 2nd pic are your hands on your waist? If not try that, you should be able to "spread" the back out more that way. Check out that post Chris Mason started in the Media Gallery, I think he was doing it pretty well. I think your back looks GREAT but I think it would look even better if you practiced that pose. It's not easy to practice though without mirrors on each side of the room. Still though, looking jacked!

Oh and the middle-back area looks REALLY good.

karatetricker
Tue, November 8th, 2005, 08:38 PM
Someone emailed me a thoughtful and articulate letter this week:

"you are so full of urself you post pictures of urself after every single workout. no one cares but u. ive been working out way longer than u and its totaly obvious that ur on roids. i've taken roids b4 and i dont even make gains like u. id have a lot more respect for u if u would just admit it. stop posting so man damn pictures."

Thanks man, that made my night! :lol:

People are always willing to speak their mind when they think it's anonymous. :rolleyes:

I've made some noticeable gains in my back over the past few months, but still have a long road ahead. I'll tell ya, if I keep having workouts like tonight for the rest of my bulk, I'm going to be doing great in 3 months!

First pictures is flexed. Second picture is my first rear lat spread. :o Oh well, it's a start!

Looking huge man! I say you back up the camera a few feet on that first shot and join the double bis back avatar club! :tucool:

John Stone
Tue, November 8th, 2005, 08:45 PM
Lat spread!!!:claplow: :claplow: Nice!

Plz keep posting man damn pictures! :lol:Thanks! As for posting more pictures, you can count on it! :D


he's right that you've made more gains than most people who've been training for much longer. Give him SC's phone number and a Titan plus the will to work out hard and eat right and maybe he'll be posting pics on his own site.Keep in mind that most of my current muscle was developed without a Titan or SC. I'm sure those two things are going to take my current bulk to the next level, but I feel discipline, diet and heart trumps fancy equipment every time.


is he a regular poster here?
you know, you're under no legal or moral obligation to keep his identity a secret. :DNah, I didn't even remember seeing him around. He doesn't have many posts, but has been here a long time.

I thought the email was funny, I'm not offended. That kind of stuff has ZERO effect on me. I see no reason to reveal his identity if he doesn't want to come forward.


Steroids. :rolleyes: Welcome to my world, John. Although you've been here for a while now; I know this isn't the first guy to accuse you.

Jealousy.
I've learned to consider it a complement. When someone tells me I'm on juice, I'm proud. :)

Anyway, back pics look good! In that 2nd pic are your hands on your waist? If not try that, you should be able to "spread" the back out more that way. Check out that post Chris Mason started in the Media Gallery, I think he was doing it pretty well.
Chris' lat spread is amazing. That dude is thick. Good advice. I honestly don't remember where my hands were. Sadly, though, I think they were on my hips. :o

Oh and the middle-back area looks REALLY good.Thanks man - All those cable rows and HEAVY-ASS DEADS are making the difference. My deads have gone up 10+ pounds per week for the last couple of months.

TarSeal
Tue, November 8th, 2005, 08:57 PM
I think your back looks great John! The back double bi especially- your shoulders are looking good there, and as Chris said the middle back.

quaker
Tue, November 8th, 2005, 09:19 PM
How are you adjusting to the food intake? Do you feel still like you're going to explode throughout the day? I'm planning on starting SUP2 early next year, and I'm not sure how I'll handle that part.

I don't eat very big portions right now, and I still get pretty full. Just curious how long it takes to adjust stomach-wise. Did you start cold as in full SGX meal plan straight to SUP2 meal plan the next day, or have you been slowly ramping up the calories?

bm1te
Tue, November 8th, 2005, 10:54 PM
...Thanks man - All those cable rows and HEAVY-ASS DEADS are making the difference. My deads have gone up 10+ pounds per week for the last couple of months.

Have you tried bent over barbell rows? I like cable rows, but bent over bb rows with my hands acting like hooks (I literally put them in a grip that resembles a hook) hits my back much better. Definitely one of my favorite lifts.

Just a question/thought, not advice. Nice progress so far--I should update that animated .gif soon. :tucool:

xman
Tue, November 8th, 2005, 11:10 PM
As for the steroid accusations, come forward and put your money where your mouth is (see my FAQ (http://www.johnstonefitness.com/php/faq.php#0360)). I know you're reading this - I have your IP and I know you're a member here. In fact, you've looked at this very thread no less than 4 times TODAY! I'll let you in on a secret: email headers contain IP addresses. ;))


HA! Spoken like a true network admin. I'm constantly amazed at the level of audacity people show when they assume they are anonymous, but when they're found out, they decide to run and hide. If it was so important to send that misspelled, grammatically incorrect idiocy to your inbox, why not just post it out in the open like a man?

Your new quote should be "Bow before me, for I am root".

gravityhomer
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 01:11 AM
Someone emailed me a thoughtful and articulate letter this week:

"you are so full of urself you post pictures of urself after every single workout. no one cares but u. ive been working out way longer than u and its totaly obvious that ur on roids. i've taken roids b4 and i dont even make gains like u. id have a lot more respect for u if u would just admit it. stop posting so man damn pictures."

Hey, sorry john, I was pretty drunk when I wrote this email. :D

EDIT: this next part was directed at the guy who wrote the email, but probably not right to put it here in John's thread

but, back to the thread. I really like the avatar, John, and the back looks awesome. You've got juicers scared!

The Abdominal Snowman
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 02:19 AM
"you are so full of urself you post pictures of urself after every single workout. no one cares but u. ive been working out way longer than u and its totaly obvious that ur on roids. i've taken roids b4 and i dont even make gains like u. id have a lot more respect for u if u would just admit it. stop posting so man damn pictures."

I think he's talking about pola-roids. ;)

Reno_1ted
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 08:43 AM
I think he's talking about pola-roids. ;)

LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

jk0
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 08:57 AM
...I'll let you in on a secret: email headers contain IP addresses. ;))...

lol, OWNED!

Genetix
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 10:05 AM
John is this your first case of fitness jealousy? Someone once told me, and it's 1000% true when you think about it; Is that people are negative because they can't reach the level you are at -- EVER. They have to try and bring you down because you're uncatchable. This is the case more times than not with everything in life, finances, fitness, relationships. I've found that when people realize what this means, it makes them get even more motivated, more harder working. You should be proud of yourself today :claphigh: , keep it going man and pretty soon a whole army will gawk at your every move.

MrEd
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 10:38 AM
Glad your shoulder is feeling better! Your back looks good. Funny, I never once thought you were on steroids....that thought never even crossed my mind. I'd have to go with 1FastGtx's jealousy theory there...

SwoleCat
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 10:48 AM
i've taken roids b4 and i dont even make gains like u.

:lol:

Then I guess John and I are doing something right! :tucool:

That, and the guy using gear has no idea WTF he's doing with that gear, and his diet/training/etc., must be complete crap!

Way to expose your lack of intelligence in regards to training/gear/making gains/etc.

Tooooooooooooooooooo funny!!!!!! He basically gave you all the props in the world and cut himself down.

~SC~

Danny Noonan
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 11:42 AM
Thanks man - All those cable rows and HEAVY-ASS DEADS are making the difference. My deads have gone up 10+ pounds per week for the last couple of months.
John, if I may ask, what set/rep range were you using for deads when you were increasing your poundage on them so consistently?

Coachese
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 11:59 AM
John is this your first case of fitness jealousy? Someone once told me, and it's 1000% true when you think about it; Is that people are negative because they can't reach the level you are at -- EVER. They have to try and bring you down because you're uncatchable. This is the case more times than not with everything in life, finances, fitness, relationships. I've found that when people realize what this means, it makes them get even more motivated, more harder working. You should be proud of yourself today :claphigh: , keep it going man and pretty soon a whole army will gawk at your every move.

That is the absolute truth...and something that took me a long time to realize (and that I was guilty of it on the past as well).

John Stone
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 12:17 PM
Travis,
Thanks! My back is definitely a weak area of mine, but I know if I keep having workouts like I did the past two weeks I'm going to bring it up a lot this winter.


quaker,
I didn't ramp my calories up this time around. I went straight from cutting calories to full-on bulking calories. The first couple of days were tough, but now I'm eating like a champ and loving every bite. Maybe ramping the caloric intake up is the way to go in your case. Talk to SC about this - I'm sure he's dealt with that sort of issue before.


bm1te,
Sure, I do bent-over barbell rows. In fact, someone posted a good exercise a few pages ago that I tried and liked: bent over ez-bar rows with a reverse grip. Good lats exercise. I switch things around every three weeks or so, so I'm sure I'll be adding barbell rows soon enough.

P.S. - Nothing wrong with advice. :)


xman,
Being root is nothing special, it's *where* you're root that matters. ;)


gravityhomer,
Stop trying to take the heat of the *real* author of the email. We all know it was wh0areume that wrote it! :lol:

Thanks for the always-encouraging words. :)


The Abdominal Snowman,
Hrm, maybe you're right. I don't think I can get tested for that...


John is this your first case of fitness jealousy?Sorry, I almost choked when I read that. :lol:

First case? Noooo, not by a long shot. I've been dealing with stuff 100 times worse than that email for almost 3 years. Hate mail was once pretty common, but I don't get as much as I used to these days. I still take quite a beating on other message boards on a regular basis. All that used to bother me a lot. So much so that back in the day I thought about taking the site down. I've learned to deal with it as I regained my confidence, and now I just laugh all that stuff off.

My site is always getting posted on other message boards. It usually starts with someone posting and saying, "Check this guy out - I need to get in shape." That's usually followed by a mix of support and vitriol.

Case in point? Here's a very recent example (this is a cannabis forum, so don't click if you are at work and will get in trouble): http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?t=710985

I love the first reply. :lol:

Yes, my web referer logs are a great source of entertainment. :)


MrEd,
Thanks - I'm glad my shoulder is feeling better, too. That was quite a scare. Tonight's chest workout is going to be a real test, so I'm a little on edge right now but hoping for the best.


SwoleCat,
Your diet plans are so good that they should be illegal! :lol:


Danny Noonan,
Of course! When I was on SGX I was doing 4 sets of 12. When I switched to bulking, I upped the weight 20 pounds and started doing 4 sets of 8. This week I added 10 more pounds and did 4 sets of 8 again. Next week I'll add 10 more pounds and go for 4x8.

Danny Noonan
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 12:32 PM
Danny Noonan,
Of course! When I was on SGX I was doing 4 sets of 12. When I switched to bulking, I upped the weight 20 pounds and started doing 4 sets of 8. This week I added 10 more pounds and did 4 sets of 8 again. Next week I'll add 10 more pounds and go for 4x8.
:tucool:

Genetix
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 12:34 PM
Case in point? Here's a very recent example (this is a cannabis forum, so don't click if you are at work and will get in trouble): http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?t=710985

I love the first reply. :lol:


Lol!

"all he did was add some muscle then lose some fat and then oil himself up and got a tan. i can do taht

btw are u john stone?"

Wait... LOSE weight, and ADD muscle?? That is the most ingenious thing I've ever read! What a concept :d_eek: With his plan he could achieve this in 2 days probably too... I wont laugh too hard since he was probably baked when he said that.

Their comments on that site about the matter makes me realize how much everyone here is in the 'upper echelon' of fitness knowledge :lol:

SwoleCat
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 12:34 PM
I believe you and I are in the same boat! :lol:

A big huge yacht!!!!!! Wanna get lunch then hang out @ the pool?

:cool:

People only hate what they can't have/do/be.

We have a lot of things others wish they could have. They don't like to see someone else be so successful. What they don't realize is that trying to cut me down, or cut you down, in the myriad of ways in which they have attempted and failed miserably, only serves to further reinforce just how successful you and I are.

So, instead of insulting us, they really only serve to add what it is that they hate, and that is us being successful.

Oh well, let 'em be...........I've dealt w/that for the last 5 years, but I don't let it get to me anymore. I used to, but hell, there simply is NO TIME TO these days. :claphigh:

~SC~



I've been dealing with stuff 100 times worse than that email for almost 3 years. Hate mail was once pretty common, but I don't get as much as I used to these days. I still take quite a beating on other message boards on a regular basis. All that used to bother me a lot. So much so that back in the day I thought about taking the site down. I've learned to deal with it as I regained my confidence, and now I just laugh all that stuff off.

carddante
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 12:37 PM
You know, I don't think your body style/ muscle tone/ makeup looks like it's all roided out. I would think you would be even bigger if you were juicing, but that's just me.

Plus with all the pictures you take, I'm pretty sure you would have taken pics of sticking a needle in your a$$ somewhere in there. Just kidding!

yogro
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 12:59 PM
John is this your first case of fitness jealousy?
g'day genetix, firstly thanks for the great new logo, secondly here is an old email thread (http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showthread.php?t=11018) which i am sure you'll enjoy!

1FastGTX
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 01:09 PM
Case in point? Here's a very recent example (this is a cannabis forum, so don't click if you are at work and will get in trouble): http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?t=710985
It's funny how that last guy seems to try and put you down for having a site devoted to fitness, to what you enjoy, etc....

...while he's posting on a website devoted to cannabis. :lol:

1FastGTX
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 01:15 PM
I've learned to consider it a complement. When someone tells me I'm on juice, I'm proud. :)
"A body that everyone thinks is natural is not a body worth having!" -Skip LaCour (I think?)

:tucool:

Chris' lat spread is amazing. That dude is thick. Good advice. I honestly don't remember where my hands were. Sadly, though, I think they were on my hips. :o
WAIST, not hips! :D Chris does indeed have a great lat spread. That guy is a monster. Not to take anything away from him (cause I know from discussions he works his butt off), but I bet the unlimited supply of Nitrean helps. :p

Thanks man - All those cable rows and HEAVY-ASS DEADS are making the difference. My deads have gone up 10+ pounds per week for the last couple of months.
NP, just being honest. I'm starting to work on more thickness there now too (even though I'm cutting lol). Deads are good, but they take a lot out of ya. Plus my shins have scabs on them right now. :lol:

Tooooooooooooooooooo funny!!!!!! He basically gave you all the props in the world and cut himself down.
Good point!!

freelancer
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 01:27 PM
Hey John I just noticed your new icon, man youre arms are huge.

Abdominator
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 03:03 PM
Hey John!

Yeah, I had someone send me a very similar PM over at Bodybuilding.com. Hehehe... it's definitely a sign of jealousy. Plus... it goes to show you the advantages of natural bodybuilding. When you train hard, and stay disciplined, you don't have up and down musculature. You keep your muscles, and you don't have to keep injecting gear to keep yourself in good shape.

If a guy's on roid cycles and he hasn't made any appreciable gains in over 2-3 years, then something is terribly wrong. Anyone who weight trains for more than a year and doesn't see any gains obviously needs to review the fundamental principles of gaining muscle mass:

Skip's Article on Gaining Muscle Mass (http://www.skippypodar.net/Fitness/3principles.html)

The gains John has seen is nothing less than a testament to his discipline and consistency regarding exercise, good nutrition and sufficient rest. It's just that simple.

So shake off the haters, man. :)

http://www.skippypodar.net/WebGallery/Skip-Miscellaneous/baby-skip-haters.jpg

- Skip "I do today what the others won't so that tomorrow and can look the way the others don't." :)

soz
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 06:01 PM
jaapstam6
This dude seems off his head to me.


LOL!
Yeah John, you must be off your head caring about your fitness and not how to grow weed like this guy.

Of your head? Off with your head I say! :lol:

Butterflyer
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 06:57 PM
Case in point? Here's a very recent example (this is a cannabis forum, so don't click if you are at work and will get in trouble): http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?t=710985



The original poster was very respectful and seemed inspired. I wonder, though, if he found your site by searching a variation of your last name...:lol: ;)

soz
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 08:23 PM
The original poster was very respectful and seemed inspired. I wonder, though, if he found your site by searching a variation of your last name...:lol: ;)

:lol::lol: :tucool:

John Stone
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 09:29 PM
You know, I don't think your body style/ muscle tone/ makeup looks like it's all roided out. I would think you would be even bigger if you were juicing, but that's just me. From what I know about steroids (admittedly very little), I totally agree. Believe it or not I was accused of using steroids by several people at this stage of my transformation because I had a bruise on my arm:

http://www.johnstonefitness.com/all/front/72.jpg

YEAH!!! Just look at that physique. Obviously that's the body of a steroid user. :lol:

Plus with all the pictures you take, I'm pretty sure you would have taken pics of sticking a needle in your a$$ somewhere in there. Just kidding!No, you're damn right I would! I even took pictures of what's in my fridge and freezer one time. Nothing's off limits when it comes to pictures... (looks over at Lisa)... well, almost nothing.

John Stone
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 09:30 PM
It's funny how that last guy seems to try and put you down for having a site devoted to fitness, to what you enjoy, etc....

...while he's posting on a website devoted to cannabis. :lol:Hahaha - Good point!

John Stone
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 09:31 PM
Hey John I just noticed your new icon, man youre arms are huge.Thanks, I'm glad *someone* likes my new avatar compared to my old one. ;)

That's my new bulking avatar. :tucool:

John Stone
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 09:37 PM
SwoleCat & Abdominator,
Thanks for the awesome posts. I'm way over the crap people like to dish out. It's jealousy, plain and simple. Back when I had no confidence I questioned myself and everything I did anyway, so those kinds of things really stung a lot. These days I *know* who I am and what I've accomplished. Over the years one thing I've learned is the type of people who bring themselves up by insulting others are usually sad, unhappy and lonely. With that in mind, it's hard to take anything they may say to heart. Some of the stuff is good for a laugh, but mostly I feel bad for them because I used to be negative like that. It's not a fun way to be. My hope is that after they are done putting me down, they take a look around and something sparks their desire to make some positive changes in their life.

Skip, you were one cute baby. :D

John Stone
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 09:39 PM
LOL!
Yeah John, you must be off your head caring about your fitness and not how to grow weed like this guy.Back in the day I would have bookmarked that site and probably joined the forum. :lol:

John Stone
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 09:40 PM
The original poster was very respectful and seemed inspired. I wonder, though, if he found your site by searching a variation of your last name...:lol: ;)Yeah, usualy the posts are started by someone who actually liked the site. Then the "fun" starts.

I think you may be right about the search! HAH!

John Stone
Wed, November 9th, 2005, 09:46 PM
Tonight's workout was very good. I started off with 4x12 barbell presses and felt fine. Next was 4x12 incline barbell presses. I started to feel a little pain in my right shoulder after my 3rd set of incline presses, so I substituted 4x10 decline barbell presses for my next exercise (was supposed to be chest dips, and they kill my shoulders). I finished up with 4x10 cable crossover (standing upright, lower chest). Ab work was the same as last week.

My shoulder feels fine right now, so I'm pretty happy. Generally heavy pressing moves are very hard on the shoulders, so this is a good sign.

Tomorrow is cardio only, and Friday is leg day. I'll make the call on Saturday on whether or not to do my delts workout. At this point, I'm thinking YES!

Oranzith
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 03:19 AM
Is it me, or have you been upping your posts on the forums lately John? To me, thats very encouraging news. I post on anywhere between 4-6 forums simultaneously (ie, throughout the day) and sometimes ill drift more into one hobby than another, subsequently posting less on the other forums.


just good to see you kicking around the old post counter here lots :)

wh0rume
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 06:23 AM
Yeah, he's trying to catch up to me and Chris (1FastGTX).
But since he knows how busy I am at work, he should know it's a lost cause ;)

Is it me, or have you been upping your posts on the forums lately John? To me, thats very encouraging news. I post on anywhere between 4-6 forums simultaneously (ie, throughout the day) and sometimes ill drift more into one hobby than another, subsequently posting less on the other forums.


just good to see you kicking around the old post counter here lots :)

John Stone
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 07:17 AM
Is it me, or have you been upping your posts on the forums lately John? To me, thats very encouraging news. I post on anywhere between 4-6 forums simultaneously (ie, throughout the day) and sometimes ill drift more into one hobby than another, subsequently posting less on the other forums.


just good to see you kicking around the old post counter here lots :)I try to post here as much as I can and stay active on the forums, but other things in my life take priority. Thankfully I've had a bit more free time than usual lately. :tucool:

John Stone
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 07:17 AM
But since he knows how busy I am at work, he should know it's a lost cause ;)Definitely!

Jim G.
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 08:53 AM
John is this your first case of fitness jealousy? Someone once told me, and it's 1000% true when you think about it; Is that people are negative because they can't reach the level you are at -- EVER. They have to try and bring you down because you're uncatchable. This is the case more times than not with everything in life, finances, fitness, relationships. I've found that when people realize what this means, it makes them get even more motivated, more harder working. You should be proud of yourself today :claphigh: , keep it going man and pretty soon a whole army will gawk at your every move.

I'd have to disagree on this... I'm more on the opinion that the hate-posters are likely to be ignorant than rather jealous. Everyone who would have the same heart and dedication like John would have made likewise spectacular gains. But personally I think that 95% of the people here (and in no way is this ment in a bad manner) can't reach to his level of dedication. That's what makes him stand out so much.

I remember a post of Guava a while ago (at least I think it was her...) where she stated that although she has her goals like everyone else here, she chooses not to be as spartan in her fitnessjourney as others.

A chinese saying: 'There are many paths at the foot of the mountain, but those who reach the top all see the same moon.'

It doesn't matter that some people have to take twice as much time as others to reach the top, they're on their way...

Now in regards to those devilish hatemail-posters, if they're reading this: John isn't an exceptional guy imo, it's his motivation that's exceptional. But what's the reason for writing a hatefull mail? Most of us here are willing to reach out to you if you would want the same results as he's getting, and it's possible...

I don't believe in returning agression to nasty posts or mails, I did a short while ago, but what's the point? Let's try to turn the other cheeck to them and get them on our side.

'I destroy my enemy when I make him my friend' (Abraham Lincoln).

Not in any way ment to be political. ;)

yogro
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 09:01 AM
just an observation john, you normally reply to many people in one post, now when the topic of your post count comes up you reply to Oranzith and wh0 in separate posts....interesting :confused: ....
;) :p :lol:

John Stone
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 10:01 AM
just an observation john, you normally reply to many people in one post, now when the topic of your post count comes up you reply to Oranzith and wh0 in separate posts....interesting :confused: ....
;) :p :lol::lol: I switch it up depending on my mood/how much time I have. I'm the last person on here who would care about post count: it's just a number, and I could change it to anything I want.

OoOGazOoO
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 10:26 AM
We all know he's trying to get his post count up. ;)

michael2938
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 11:20 AM
Can you change anyone's to whatever you want? :confused:
wh0areume->mPostCount = 1FastGTX->mPostCount + 1; WHy don't you just start your own thread and start talking to yourself all day long?

Ya know... kind of like you do now, only start typing it out. :D

Mike

Coachese
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 11:48 AM
WHy don't you just start your own thread and start talking to yourself all day long?

Ya know... kind of like you do now, only start typing it out. :D

Mike

*snap*

Hands down best post of the year!!!

SwoleCat
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 11:50 AM
John isn't an exceptional guy imo, it's his motivation that's exceptional.

I have to disagree here. With all of the things John has helped me with, all the phone convos we've had, our plans for the future, etc., I have to say that w/out a doubt that HE IS an exceptional guy, all the way around.

It's not that his motivation in just exceptional, it's part of who this exceptional character is. He's exceptional in a myriad of things, so this makes dedication to fitness (his hobby) a natural occurrence.

~SC~

Bluestreak
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 12:42 PM
It's not that his motivation in just exceptional, it's part of who this exceptional character is. He's exceptional in a myriad of things, so this makes dedication to fitness (his hobby) a natural occurrence.

There's a level of fitness I think we could universally say that everyone on this forum aspires to, with a myriad of twists on that theme depending on the person, of course. Those who've made it to that level learn one thing (or so I would hope they have): fitness "infects" the rest of your life. I find that being dedicated to fitness, and better yet, succeeding at it, stems from believing in who you are and what you're capable of. That is what helps breed excellence in other areas of life. And in all honesty, this little intangible is what makes elite fitness possible if'n you ask me - I don't think it can be had otherwise without creating that kind of self-confidence.

Fitness is a belief in oneself. It allows us to selfishly focus on ourselves. But... in our little corner of the web, it seems to be something that we feel allows us to direct our energy inward while we simultaneously share that effort with others. We, and myself personally, want other to learn from and be inspired by the failures we endure and freely share for others to learn from, the successes we exalt and hope will inspire others, and above all, the good examples we try to set no matter the circumstance.

Personally, I find that being fit cultivates other abilities I possess. I know how to be consistent and dedicated to myself - it's that ability that finds it way into my job and my other hobbies. It has taught me how to put my head down and plow through things that might not be 100% pleasant. However, I know that at the end of those tough efforts, that hard work will pay dividends that amount of money can touch. Anyone who achieves what many of our forum goers have are exceptional, each in their own way.

It's the simple act of passing on that dedication and assisting others in cultivating that personality trait that keeps me here. It's why I keep posting. It's why I continue to get up at 5:00 am, post my thoughts in my journal, and continue to work to better myself.

-R

John Stone
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 12:51 PM
I have to disagree here. With all of the things John has helped me with, all the phone convos we've had, our plans for the future, etc., I have to say that w/out a doubt that HE IS an exceptional guy, all the way around.

It's not that his motivation in just exceptional, it's part of who this exceptional character is. He's exceptional in a myriad of things, so this makes dedication to fitness (his hobby) a natural occurrence.

~SC~Thanks very much for the kind words, Chris. That means a lot to me coming from you. :)

Nico
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 01:40 PM
Yeah, he's trying to catch up to me and Chris (1FastGTX).
But since he knows how busy I am at work, he should know it's a lost cause ;)
I swear you could run a successful business in your free time at work. As a matter of fact, so could I. :D

SwoleCat
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 03:43 PM
Thanks very much for the kind words, Chris. That means a lot to me coming from you. :)

Nothing more than speakin' the truth brutha, just speakin' the truth.

:tu:

~SC~

themuss
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 08:23 PM
Hey John,

Serious question so don't take offence. Remember a while back you bought that new wardrobe of clothes? Do you find the clothes getting smaller now that you are gaining a lot of mass?

John Stone
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 08:44 PM
Hey John,

Serious question so don't take offence. Remember a while back you bought that new wardrobe of clothes? Do you find the clothes getting smaller now that you are gaining a lot of mass?None taken, of course! Yes, all the new suits and other clothes I bought are quite tight. I have a special set of "bulking clothes" that I bought last winter, but that's casual stuff. I imagine after this bulk I'm going to need a good tailor or a new wardrobe.

I haven't updated my online stats yet, but as of this morning my arms are back to 16.25 inches with no pump.That's the same size they were at the END of my last bulk, only now I'm at 8 or 9% body fat (last year I was at 14% body fat when my arms were 16.25"). My chest and thighs are also up another 1/4 inch, and I'm only 10 days into my bulk. By the end of my bulk I'm going to be busting out of my clothes! :D

1FastGTX
Thu, November 10th, 2005, 10:27 PM
None taken, of course! Yes, all the new suits and other clothes I bought are quite tight. I have a special set of "bulking clothes" that I bought last winter, but that's casual stuff. I imagine after this bulk I'm going to need a good tailor or a new wardrobe.
I had to do this, get a tailor that is, for work clothes. Well, for meeting clothes. Work clothes for me are underwear and t-shirts and sandals. :D

I got a suit a few months ago and had to get a huge size for my back/neck/arms/etc. Then I had to go to some store and have it tailored. Pain in the butt.

I had to go to the store and get new t-shirts too at one point, and picked up XXXL. They fit my chest/back well, but hung down to my knees. I was in the gym wearing what looked like a night gown. :lol:

Justitia
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 01:35 AM
I luv' ur new avatar :claplow:

John Stone
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 09:54 AM
I luv' ur new avatar :claplow:Thanks, but did you - a bonafide and respected law professor - actually just use "ur" instead of "your"? :eek:

Reno_1ted
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 10:22 AM
Thanks, but did you - a bonafide and respected law professor - actually just use "ur" instead of "your"? :eek:

And "Luv"

In fact, i think thats the first post from Justina that hasnt been 8 paragraphs long and contain Thesis, Antithesis..... ;) (kidding of course).

John Stone
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 11:11 AM
In fact, i think thats the first post from Justina that hasnt been 8 paragraphs long and contain Thesis, Antithesis..... ;) (kidding of course).:lol:

Coachese
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 12:10 PM
And "Luv"

In fact, i think thats the first post from Justina that hasnt been 8 paragraphs long and contain Thesis, Antithesis..... ;) (kidding of course).

LOL...and synthesis?:rolleyes:

Coachese
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 12:28 PM
...I think several things have contributed to my good start: First, I've resumed taking creatine after almost 3 months of being off of it. I'm taking a couple of different kinds of creatine: CEE & Malate (I like BSN's NO-Xplode & CellMass). I've also been eating a lot of carbs. Of course I'm busing my butt in the gym and giving 110% effort in all my workouts. Additionally I'm eating clean, I'm getting plenty of rest and I try to maintain a positive attitude at all times (that really helps!) With the exception of the creatine, all those things I listed above are essential to bulking success. Unfortunately a lot of people who try to bulk only do a fraction of what's required to make good gains and, as a result, they gain nothing but fat and frustration. You know my philosophy: If you are going to do something, give it your all (and then a little more!)

I've gained 4.8 pounds in just 6 days, but of course very little, if any, of that weight is muscle. I have to fight for every ounce of muscle just like everyone else! Stay tuned, the real gains are coming... :tu:

This is a bit late, as I meant to ask this last week...?

So, the 4.8lbs gain is mostly water and some fat? Do you attribute this gain to the creatine? Obviously you are eating like there is no tomorrow?

Nico
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 12:50 PM
Anyone know of any shirt making companies that use more of an athletic cut? Tailoring individual shirts gets hella expensive so I just end up having an extra few yards of cloth around the waist. Everyone says "just move all of it to the back" but there's so much that from behind the shirt looks like curtains that are half drawn.

I only have an 8 inch drop (difference from chest to waist). Someone like Skip probably has like a 14 inch drop-that definitely requires tailoring. I used to work at a big and tall clothes shop in San Diego and a bodybuilder came in with a 25 inch drop-that's the biggest I've ever seen.

John Stone
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 01:23 PM
This is a bit late, as I meant to ask this last week...?

So, the 4.8lbs gain is mostly water and some fat? Do you attribute this gain to the creatine? Obviously you are eating like there is no tomorrow?Yep - after just six days you can't really add any appreciable amount of muscle, so it's got to be mostly water from the creatine and high carbs.

Oranzith
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 01:25 PM
question john. Are you able to post the type of foods/meals you eat without violating the SC agreement? ie "i had chicken and rice last night for dinner" but not the timing of the good nor the macronutrient counts? i miss that factor of the site =/

John Stone
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 03:20 PM
question john. Are you able to post the type of foods/meals you eat without violating the SC agreement? ie "i had chicken and rice last night for dinner" but not the timing of the good nor the macronutrient counts? i miss that factor of the site =/I don't think so, but I'm going to ask SC if I can post some of my own recipes.

John Stone
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 03:22 PM
Here's Loki (left) & Turtle, having a tough day.

We spoil them, but they deserve it. They are the best puppies ever.

SwoleCat
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 04:04 PM
I don't think so, but I'm going to ask SC if I can post some of my own recipes.

Sure you can. It's not the foods that matter, it's the amounts/when/why/how those amounts change, etc.

Thanks for checking first though, that's courteous of you.

~SC~

John Stone
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 04:07 PM
Sure you can. It's not the foods that matter, it's the amounts/when/why/how those amounts change, etc.

Thanks for checking first though, that's courteous of you.

~SC~ :tucool:

Look for some new receipes soon, then!!

Thanks SC!

karatetricker
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 04:13 PM
:tucool:

Look for some new receipes soon, then!!

Thanks SC!

Awesome, because my meals are starting to bore me. I could use some new ones. :drool: :nod:

Nico
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 04:35 PM
I wish my dog would sit still like that. If you want a dog to lay around with you, don't get a Welsh Terrier.

1FastGTX
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 05:21 PM
Here's Loki (left) & Turtle, having a tough day.

We spoil them, but they deserve it. They are the best puppies ever.
"They are the best puppies ever." Well, while I'll agree that they're darn cute and great dogs from what you've told me, I may have to argue with you on that one point. :p Oh no, I'm not a biased at all. :D

I love those pics John!! :tucool: Of course you probably knew I would like them! We need to get Loki and Turtle to hang out with Zack some day. I bet they'd be friends! :D

Looking forward to your new recipes. Be sure to include the pro/carb/fat/cals of each. ;) J/K!

John Stone
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 06:07 PM
"They are the best puppies ever." Well, while I'll agree that they're darn cute and great dogs from what you've told me, I may have to argue with you on that one point. :p Oh no, I'm not a biased at all. :D

I love those pics John!! :tucool: Of course you probably knew I would like them! We need to get Loki and Turtle to hang out with Zack some day. I bet they'd be friends! :D Loki would love Zack, he loves everyone and everything he meets (except cats, squirrels and birds). When he sees a new dog outside he cries and cries because he wants to be friends. Turtle, on the other hand, only likes Loki and is very possessive over him (and us). She's part Pitbull, part Shar Pei and was used for fighting other dogs in the ghetto when I rescued her. Bastards. True story: her owner was on the way to have her put down but he stopped by the place I was working at the time. Turtle's "owner" (Turtle's name was "Yanni" when we got her. Puke. Who names a fighting dog "Yanni"?) told me he was on the way to have her put to sleep. I took one look at her (she was a real mess, so scared and abused ... she could barely open her eyes until she had an operation) and told the guy who had her I'd take her right then and there. He agreed, and I took the rest of the day off and drove her straight to the vet. She had a lot of problems at first, but she's turned into the sweetest, most loyal and loving friend you could ever ask for. We've had her about 6 years now. Now that she knows she can trust people again she's very sweet to everyone, but she still doesn't like other dogs, I guess because of her past. She adores Loki for some reason. Probably because Loki exudes friendliness.

Loki was also a rescue. I brought him home over 10 years ago when he was just six months old. I've owned dozens of pets over my life and I've loved them all more than words can describe, but Loki and I share an amazing bond. He's very sensitive to my mood, and he's got an amazing ability to read my feelings. When I'm down, he cheers me up. When I'm happy, he makes me happier. Man, dogs just rule!


Looking forward to your new recipes. Be sure to include the pro/carb/fat/cals of each. ;) J/K!Actually I'll include them. It would be easy enough to figure out anyway. I just won't mention the portions I'm eating. :)

Boxer-in-training
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 07:29 PM
had to pop in here and say, I LOVE your new Avatar. Nice pecs! You have made some great progress... ( to say the least! ) :tucool:

John Stone
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 09:38 PM
had to pop in here and say, I LOVE your new Avatar. Nice pecs! You have made some great progress... ( to say the least! ) :tucool:Thank you very much! That makes a whopping three people who like my new avatar. :tu:

I'm especially flattered that you mentioned my pecs, because I have a shirt on in that picture and was trying to emphasize my biceps. ;)

A-Pac
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 10:00 PM
Hey John, your making great progress! Both on SGX and even now on SUP with what little time you've been on it. I have a question for you about that...

Do you think people with the same amount of strict dedication and motivation could go on the same programs and not see as good as results as you are seeing? If so why you think that is? Genetics? Just some poeple work better with different programs than others?

John Stone
Fri, November 11th, 2005, 10:10 PM
Do you think people with the same amount of strict dedication and motivation could go on the same programs and not see as good as results as you are seeing? If so why you think that is? Genetics? Just some people work better with different programs than others?There are numerous factors that go into a successful bulk, and countless variables that affect results. It would be impossible for two people to duplicate every one of those factors for any length of time. Of course genetics play a role, too.

The bottom line is that no two people are the same, and no two people will have the same response to SGX, SUP2 or any other program. What SC has shown thru the consistently excellent results of his clients is that his custom plans work very well for people who are willing to put forth the effort and stick with the program.

John Stone
Sat, November 12th, 2005, 07:11 PM
WHAT A WORKOUT! :D

Tonight's delt workout went GREAT! I had some minor shoulder pain towards the end of my 3rd delt exercise, but nothing like last time. In fact, after my first set of my first exercise, I felt so good I went with a regular workout using heavy weights. Right now my shoulder is a little tender, but it's far from what I was feeling last week.

Once I realized that my shoulder was holding up, something clicked inside of me and I absolutely ripped up the gym tonight. I usually take one minute between sets, but on several sets I felt like I didn't need that much rest and took only 30-45 seconds. I had Diecast blasting from the stereo and everything just felt "on". The relief of my shoulder combined with the great workout has me on cloud nine. Man, what a buzz I have right now. I can't even describe it.

Ahem. Back to earth.

I grabbed a couple of pictures after my workout to show my front, side and rear delts. I don't think I've done many "Most Muscular" poses before, so here's another attempt at it. My arms don't have much of a pump in these shots (that's tomorrow :D), but my delts and traps were totally lit up.

yogro
Sat, November 12th, 2005, 07:57 PM
i wouldn't want to break any forum rules by posting my initial reaction to those pics...but OMG john someone is just freaking exploding...i think the front pose is one of your best pictures showing your vascularity (is that a word? Google spell check doesn't show it as one but dictionary.com does....hrrmmm)...anyway as always thanks and power on mate!!!

karatetricker
Sat, November 12th, 2005, 08:00 PM
This is the best picture of you I've ever seen!

:bow::bow::bow:

yogro
Sat, November 12th, 2005, 08:05 PM
This forum requires that you wait 30 seconds between posts. Please try again in 26 seconds.
just got this msg, inadvertently i pressed the submit button twice...wh0, chris and doordude, I'm just wondering how often you guys get this msg (in your individual quests to the highest post count)? ;) :p

A-Pac
Sat, November 12th, 2005, 09:47 PM
Looks like your doggy wants some more camera time too. :D

John Stone
Sat, November 12th, 2005, 10:14 PM
yogro,
When I work my shoulders my vascularity always comes out especially well in my shoulder area and upper pecs. I also held my breath as I posed. :D Thanks for the comments!


karatetricker,
Wow, thanks Justin! I almost didn't even post it because I think I look kind of goofy. However, after thinking about it, I realized that if I only posted pictures in which I didn't look goofy, this thread would have zero posts. :p


A-Pac
Loki's such a camera whore. :rolleyes: I wonder where he gets it from? :confused:

Masher
Sun, November 13th, 2005, 08:56 AM
I want arms like yours . . .

John Stone
Sun, November 13th, 2005, 11:29 AM
I want arms like yours . . .So did I, so I started lifting weights and eating lots of good foods. ;)

Masher
Sun, November 13th, 2005, 01:26 PM
Well I'm a month into it :) I've lost half a stone in weight and am starting to see some definition in my arms and legs. Not my chest and stomach right enough - too much fat there!!

I'm starting off from a very similar position to you actually, although you're a bit taller. You were 215lbs at 5' 11.5", 30%BF and I was 200lbs at 5' 9" at somewhere between 25% and 30% BF. Each of the different methods I try returns a different result.

For me though, I'm trying to lose the weight a lot more slowly. I've only lost 7lbs in a month, which is more or less on target for what I wanted. According to my bodyfat analyser (tanita type thing) I've gone from 25% to 24% BF in the month. The mirror says something different.

I was in the gym today and a huge guy came in. He had some pretty good arms too. He wasn't from around here - 6' 2" black guys are pretty scarce in this part of Scotland :) He had an American accent and I think he was a basketball player, but I dunno. I'd like arms like his too!

You're looking great John, although I wouldn't pull that face :neener: . If I can get rid of the stomach, I'll be happy. I dunno what I'll do then . . .

Masher

John Stone
Sun, November 13th, 2005, 04:34 PM
For me though, I'm trying to lose the weight a lot more slowly. I've only lost 7lbs in a month, which is more or less on target for what I wanted.That's about perfect - good job!

You're looking great John, although I wouldn't pull that face :neener:I have no idea what that means, but I suspect you may have just called me ugly! :lol:

sc7389
Sun, November 13th, 2005, 04:48 PM
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9702&stc=1&d=1131840538

Wow, strong arms! ;]

John Stone
Sun, November 13th, 2005, 07:18 PM
I just finished my bicep/tricep workout. At was an excellent workout, but I'm going to try to tone things down a bit compared to yesterday's post.

Aw, screw that. So I'm passionate - sue me. :moon:

I went up in weights and reps on every excersize but DB tricep extensions. I would have gone up in weight on the DB tricep extensions, but I only have up to 70 pound DBs. I wound up doing 4 sets of 20, supersetted with 4x12 hammer curls. I did this superset last to make it more challenging since I didn't have heavy weights for the tricep extensions. I've got to get some more dumbbells this week.

I know I haven't taken many pictures lately, so I dusted off the old digital camera and took a few post-workout pictures. ;) I was sweating like crazy, and my arms were 17.5 inches on the button.

In the last shot I didn't mean to have my eyes closed, I was exhausted and the timer went off before I was ready. It's actually more accurate with my eyes shut - I was seriously about to pass out.

carguy
Sun, November 13th, 2005, 07:25 PM
If this is what you look like at the beginning or your bulk, I can't imagine how you'll look at the end! Impressed with your arms.:bow:

John Stone
Sun, November 13th, 2005, 07:30 PM
If this is what you look like at the beginning or your bulk, I can't imagine how you'll look at the end! Impressed with your arms.:bow:Thanks, carguy. :) Even though my arms are not my focus for this bulk, I expect to add no less than an inch to them before the bulk is over. They'll be over 17" cold, and at least 18.25" with a nice pump.

I don't know why I keep saying my back/lats, traps and delts are my focus - I'm working every body part as hard as any other. I guess mentally I'm more focused on bringing those areas up because they are comparatively weak.

gravityhomer
Sun, November 13th, 2005, 10:18 PM
Well I'm not surprised by these awesome photos. It's like I can't expect anything else. Ladies and gentleman, I give you the incredible swelling John Stone.

You've got to know your arms look amazing in these pics. I say you rip a phone book in half at the end of your next workout. :tu:

soz
Sun, November 13th, 2005, 11:01 PM
Even your nose looks muscular.

http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9702

Daan
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 02:04 AM
John,

You are amazing, you keep on going and going and going...
You are really inspiring. Keep on posting those pictures, no mather how funny you look, it helps me reminding what my goals are.

Thanks,
Daan

yogro
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 09:10 AM
everytime you post john, i think naa i dont need to reply, but with what you are showing i just cant hold myself back!! as always awsome stuff and thanks for sharing it with us all! :tu:
Aw, screw that. So I'm passionate - sue me. :moon: lmfao, by far the best smilie here!!! :lol:

jk0
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 09:23 AM
John,

Looking fantastic, man!

wh0rume
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 09:32 AM
John,

Do you own an axe?
I think you might be able to pull off the Ryan Reynolds pose (http://atravesdelespejo.blogia.com/upload/Ryan%20Reynolds.jpg) that Gravityhomer and i have always wanted to try.

Felipec
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 09:59 AM
John,
I've been visiting your site since 2003. I have always worked out (10+ years) but never took it really seriously. When I saw your site it just motivated me to workout harder, eat better and maintain myself more disciplined. Being a Network Admin also I sort of identified myself in your quest for health. It paid of because I managed to pack on 33 pounds of lean mass in the last two years. I've been your admirer and sort of compared my results with yours. But after these last shots, WOW MAN! You are freaking HUGE!! You just blew right by me on size, strength and you look ripped. I just gotta pay my respects. You owned me. :bow: :claplow: Now I have to find some extra motivation to try to stay in your trail at least. :p

My sincere congrats.
From Brasilia,
Felipe

BTW - Love your dogs. They should get more camera time! :D

Reeze
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 10:18 AM
I think I may have found the secret to John's success.

don't make me angry... you wouldn't like me when I'm angry...

gravityhomer
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 10:43 AM
John,

Do you own an axe?
I think you might be able to pull off the Ryan Reynolds pose (http://atravesdelespejo.blogia.com/upload/Ryan%20Reynolds.jpg) that Gravityhomer and i have always wanted to try.
Yeah, and you really don't even need an axe, an axe handle (http://www.thefirestore.com/store/products/20050307101440_Photo2.jpg) with the head positioned just off camera will work nicely. :nod:

it would work better with a beard though :confused:

ethan
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 10:46 AM
swole dog, very swole. Whats with ur nose in that crazy pic though? Looks wierd!

Nico
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 01:31 PM
Your arms are getting frighteningly large. 17.5 inches is ginormous.

Abdominator
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 01:33 PM
Anyone know of any shirt making companies that use more of an athletic cut? Tailoring individual shirts gets hella expensive so I just end up having an extra few yards of cloth around the waist. Everyone says "just move all of it to the back" but there's so much that from behind the shirt looks like curtains that are half drawn.

I only have an 8 inch drop (difference from chest to waist). Someone like Skip probably has like a 14 inch drop-that definitely requires tailoring. I used to work at a big and tall clothes shop in San Diego and a bodybuilder came in with a 25 inch drop-that's the biggest I've ever seen.

Yup... I had to get my tuxedo custom tailored. Fortunately for me, my best man bought me my tuxedo as a gift when I was his best man 2 years ago. Being bodybuilders, we both have shapes that "unlike the norm".

My coat is a 42L and my pants are 30 w 32 inseam.

It's tough to find shirts that have an athletic cut, but they're out there.

- Skip :)

LarryNC
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 02:19 PM
I think I may have found the secret to John's success.

ahahahaha!

Chopaholic
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 02:46 PM
In the last shot I didn't mean to have my eyes closed, I was exhausted and the timer went off before I was ready. It's actually more accurate with my eyes shut - I was seriously about to pass out.

Oh don't worry... it just makes you look... stoned.


Sorry.

Sorry.

Sorry.

:spank:

John Stone
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 03:10 PM
Well I'm not surprised by these awesome photos. It's like I can't expect anything else. You've got to know your arms look amazing in these pics. Thank you. :)

... and, no, you shouldn't expect anything else from me. I won't settle for anything less than my maximum effort (plus some).

Last night towards the end of my workout I felt like I was going to puke and then pass out, but I pressed on and finished the workout with a maximal effort. Today I get to reap the rewards of that workout and enjoy the satisfaction of knowing my hard work in the gym last night is already paying off: my body is growing stronger as I type this, my muscles are rebuilding and they will be stronger, bigger and tougher then they were before last night's workout. My mental discipline was also put to the test and I overcame the natural desire to quit. If I'd quit, I'd be sitting here right now knowing I could have done it, but I simply chose not to. That would suck. For a long time I was the guy who always took the easy road, but I didn't like myself very much then. I've discovered that I'm a lot happier when I cowboy the f**k up and do what needs to be done.

John Stone
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 03:11 PM
You are amazing, you keep on going and going and going... You are really inspiring. Keep on posting those pictures, no mather how funny you look, it helps me reminding what my goals are.I will keep posting them, no matter how funny I look. :lol:

Seriously, thank you. :)

John Stone
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 03:14 PM
everytime you post john, i think naa i dont need to reply, but with what you are showing i just cant hold myself back!! as always awsome stuff and thanks for sharing it with us all! :tu:You are too kind. Thanks for taking the time to check the pictures out and post your thoughts. :)

Looking fantastic, man!Thanks, Josh!

John Stone
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 03:15 PM
John,

Do you own an axe? I lease, with an option to buy. :nope:

John Stone
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 03:20 PM
John,
I've been visiting your site since 2003. I have always worked out (10+ years) but never took it really seriously. When I saw your site it just motivated me to workout harder, eat better and maintain myself more disciplined. Being a Network Admin also I sort of identified myself in your quest for health. It paid of because I managed to pack on 33 pounds of lean mass in the last two years.Amazing! Great job, that's tremendous progress. Do you have before/after picture on here anywhere? I'm sure we'd all be inspired by your progress.

I've been your admirer and sort of compared my results with yours. But after these last shots, WOW MAN! You are freaking HUGE!! You just blew right by me on size, strength and you look ripped. I just gotta pay my respects. You owned me. :bow: :claplow: Now I have to find some extra motivation to try to stay in your trail at least. :pNo ownage involved man, we're not competing. We're here to bring each other up. I think it's awesome that you find my progress motivational. I also find motivation when I see the progress of others.

BTW - Love your dogs. They should get more camera time! :DLoki & Turtle would wholeheartedly agree with you.

John Stone
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 03:22 PM
I think I may have found the secret to John's success.GAMMA RAYS. Why didn't I think of that??? :doh:

John Stone
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 03:23 PM
swole dog, very swole. Whats with ur nose in that crazy pic though? Looks wierd!:lol: It sure does. Must be because I'm holding my breath. I dunno, I just take the damn pictures, my body has a mind of its own. :)

John Stone
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 03:24 PM
Your arms are getting frighteningly large. 17.5 inches is ginormous.Ah, just give me a couple more months... :bb:

;)

John Stone
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 03:25 PM
Oh don't worry... it just makes you look... stoned.


Sorry.

Sorry.

Sorry.

:spank:I may have been dog-tired, about to pass out and on the verge of puking, but I felt way higher in that picture than I ever felt stoned. :)

John Stone
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 03:27 PM
... and may I just say that the Google toolbar spellchecker is the best invention since air conditioning.

Daan
Mon, November 14th, 2005, 05:24 PM
funny.... hmz... maybe goofy was a better word. ;)
Just kidding. You look amazing, I hope to look like that one day.
I know I can, just have to keep on training and eating clean. :bb:

Mick Mauldin
Tue, November 15th, 2005, 09:59 AM
I think I may have found the secret to John's success.


First thing that comes to mind in this "green photo" is the incredible hulk!" :flex: :lol:

pitre_1
Tue, November 15th, 2005, 10:18 AM
WOW John you look awesome. I can only imagine how you'll be looking by the end of your bulk. Your friends must see you as a whole different person since back when you started on your transformation.

John Stone
Tue, November 15th, 2005, 10:12 PM
WOW John you look awesome. I can only imagine how you'll be looking by the end of your bulk. Your friends must see you as a whole different person since back when you started on your transformation.I didn't have many friends before I started my transformation. :(

Most of the friends I did have were just guys I got high with, and I've drifted apart from them over the past few years. It's not that they were bad people, I simply don't like being around that sort of thing anymore.

I've got some great new friends now. :tu:

John Stone
Tue, November 15th, 2005, 10:23 PM
I know this is a late journal update, but I wanted to make an entry about today's back workout. It was very tough and I honestly didn't know if I'd make it through. I was sweating so hard I had to re-write my workout log.

I added 5 pounds to my low cables rows and did 4 sets. I did almost the same number of reps as last week, too. I added 5 pounds to my weighted wide-grip pull-ups and did 4 sets of 8. Next I did deads, and they were quite a challenge: I added another 10 pounds this week, and banged out 4 sets of 8. By the time I was done with the deads, I really thought I was going to lose my 4:00 PM meal. After my deads I took 3 minutes rest and finished up my back with 4 sets of bent-over DB rows. I really wanted to stop at this point, but instead I sent my mind off to someplace where it would be much happier and did 4 sets of burnout shrugs.

I've been doing this back workout for 3 weeks now, so next week I'll be changing some things up. I'll still do deads and wide-grip pull-ups, but I'll do something new instead of the cable rows and the DB rows.

No pictures tonight, I had nothing left after my workout.

John Stone
Wed, November 16th, 2005, 07:25 PM
Tonight was chest and abs, and it was another challenging and satisfying workout.

My right shoulder (the bad one) did not bother me in the slightest. My left shoulder, however, started hurting a little after my last set of decline bench presses. :rolleyes: It was a different kind of pain compared to what I feel in my right shoulder. I was able to continue the workout, and by the end of my cable work/start of my abs it was fine again.

A few pictures tonight...

First, a chest closeup and spread arms shot. I'm happy with the way my shoulders are starting to become more full and rounded. I think by the end of my bulk they will be looking much better.

John Stone
Wed, November 16th, 2005, 07:27 PM
"OK USA!"

(actually I should have done a "thumb's up". I guess it's time to watch Bloodsport again so I can bone up on my quotes!)

Silly picture, but, again, I like how my shoulders are starting to shape up. There's still a lot of work to be done...

wh0rume
Thu, November 17th, 2005, 09:22 AM
it's been so long since i've seen that movie.
i'll have to watch it tonight.

Looking good as always.
Let us know when you add weight to your inclined bench.

Edit: welcome to the 3000 posts club! http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/ban-llama.gif

John Stone
Thu, November 17th, 2005, 10:11 AM
it's been so long since i've seen that movie.
i'll have to watch it tonight.It was the fights that made me first watch it, but the acting and dialog are what keeps me coming back for more. :D


Looking good as always. Let us know when you add weight to your inclined bench.How... arbitrary. OK. :)

I added weight to my incline presses.


Edit: welcome to the 3000 posts club! http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/ban-llama.gifThe text you posted is redundant because you posted the well-known universal symbol for members of the "3000 Posts Club": banana dance dude sitting on a galloping green seal. :rolleyes:

1FastGTX
Thu, November 17th, 2005, 10:16 AM
"OK USA!"
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA! :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

Reno_1ted
Thu, November 17th, 2005, 10:23 AM
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA! :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

I believe that guy won an oscar. John, do u lift blindfold these days ? ;)

Great pics John, Your pecs have great shape to them and a great cut (not too close in the middle, not to far apart). Pretty much a perfect shape in my eyes. (incidently, the same kinda shape and cut as mine, only not quite the mass of course :) )

Keep up the good work (yer, like had i not said that you would have quit on me lol )

Coachese
Thu, November 17th, 2005, 02:42 PM
The text you posted is redundant because you posted the well-known universal symbol for members of the "3000 Posts Club": banana dance dude sitting on a galloping green seal. :rolleyes:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

John Stone
Thu, November 17th, 2005, 05:15 PM
Today marks a proud achievement for me: my arms are the biggest they've ever been in my life, even bigger than they were at the end of my bulk last year.:tucool:

In August 2004 my arms were 13.75 inches, cold (no pump). At the end of my 2004 bulk I was at 14% body fat and my arms we're 16.25 inches, cold. When I started my bulk a little over two weeks ago at 8% body fat, my arms were 16 inches, cold. In just over two weeks I've manged to pack on a good half inch to my arms. As of right now my arms are 16.5 inches, cold.

I knew with SwoleCat's SUP2 nutritional program and my hard work in the gym I was going to grow, but I didn't expect to pack on a half inch to my arms in just 16 days. Part of it is the creatine, but I've never seen much of a size difference when I've taken creatine in the past. It will be interesting to see how much longer it takes me to hit an unpumped 17 inches. I'm thinking by this time next month I'll be in the neighborhood. :bb:

Of course I took a picture. :p

inurb
Thu, November 17th, 2005, 10:44 PM
I remember when I first visited this site. It was from a link on college humor a few years ago. In your after pic you were extremely ripped and skinny. It's amazing what your dedication and hard work has accomplished for you. You've packed on so much muscle and still maintained that killer physique. Nice work John.

bm1te
Fri, November 18th, 2005, 03:33 AM
Heh, look how much bigger your forearm is compared to your wrist.

The Abdominal Snowman
Fri, November 18th, 2005, 07:48 AM
John, I bet when you have 17" arms, you can dim mak the bottom brick with ease! Just remember:

Brick don't hit back!

You're NEXT!

karatetricker
Fri, November 18th, 2005, 10:24 AM
Hey John, I know I can probably find this in this thread somewhere, but considering this thing is longer than the Bible, I figured I'd just ask.

Do you do the same workout each time for each muscle group or do you vary it each week? If so, do you just do what you're in the mood for or do you have a routine written out that you cycle every X numbers of weeks?

SwoleCat
Fri, November 18th, 2005, 10:49 AM
Good work on the arms John!!!

:tucool:

~SC~

John Stone
Fri, November 18th, 2005, 12:30 PM
I remember when I first visited this site. It was from a link on college humor a few years ago. In your after pic you were extremely ripped and skinny. It's amazing what your dedication and hard work has accomplished for you. You've packed on so much muscle and still maintained that killer physique. Nice work John.College Humor slammed my site pretty hard (in terms of traffic). I remember the Fark/College Humor "1-2 punch" very well! Did you know when this site was first posted to Fark I was running the whole thing from a web server in my home office over a cable modem connection? Man, that was a rude awaking as I scrambled to get a new server built and moved to a datacenter.

Thanks very much for the comments! :)


Heh, look how much bigger your forearm is compared to your wrist.Yeah, my wrists are thin - just 6.5 inches around. I don't directly work my forearms, but they seem to get plenty of action on bicep day.


John, I bet when you have 17" arms, you can dim mak the bottom brick with ease!
http://www.twowiresthin.com/images/bloodsport.jpg


Do you do the same workout each time for each muscle group or do you vary it each week? If so, do you just do what you're in the mood for or do you have a routine written out that you cycle every X numbers of weeks?I've done lots of different techniques of switching things around over the years, but for this bulk I'm changing my exercises around every 3 weeks.


Good work on the arms John!!!Thanks! Good work on my diet!!!! :tu: :bow:

SwoleCat
Fri, November 18th, 2005, 12:43 PM
Thanks! Good work on my diet!!!! :tu: :bow:

Well, I try.

:lol:

~SC~

Bambam07
Fri, November 18th, 2005, 02:21 PM
John, I bet when you have 17" arms, you can dim mak the bottom brick with ease! Just remember:

Brick don't hit back!

You're NEXT!


Dim Mak!! That is awesome, I have not seen that movie in years!! Great lines. " You are not Japanese, YOu are not a TANAKA!! Great Movie- Horrible Acting all around.
John, your arms are bigger then my head, good stuff!!

The Abdominal Snowman
Sat, November 19th, 2005, 03:47 AM
Dim Mak!! That is awesome, I have not seen that movie in years!! Great lines. " You are not Japanese, YOu are not a TANAKA!! Great Movie- Horrible Acting all around.

I totally forgot about the beginning!

I thought it was groundbreaking that they had the part of the young Frank Dux played by a kid with Down syndrome. :p

Funny thing is, the actor playing Tanaka, Roy Chiao (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0152054/), wasn't Japanese, either, he was Chinese! :doh:

John Stone
Sat, November 19th, 2005, 07:24 PM
Today Lisa and I spent the whole day doing some serious fall cleaning. The house is spotless! Needless to say, by the time my workout rolled around I was dead tired, so I decided to just skip it.

YEAH, RIGHT! :nono:

Actually I had an excellent workout. That's especially cool, because being a little tired wasn't the only thing working against me tonight. I'll explain....

Lisa and I decided to start decorating for Christmas a little early this year. Well, I had the tree all set up and lit, but it was time for me to workout and Lisa wanted to finish trimming the tree. The problem is decorating the tree is not much fun with heavy metal blaring from the speakers. Christmas music prevailed. After a couple of sets, I found the situation so comical that I shot a quick video between exercises (I'm such a goof, I know): http://www.johnstonefitness.com/images/christmas_workout.wmv

(2.46 MB, WMV format)

I decided that hard work and holiday spirit are not mutually exclusive, so I finished my workout with a Santa hat.

In all seriousness, I had an amazing workout and zero shoulder pain. I'm feeling great right now!

George
Sat, November 19th, 2005, 07:55 PM
and here I thought I would get to see John Stone doing lateral raises to Jingle Bells.

chicanerous
Sat, November 19th, 2005, 08:01 PM
:lol: That's a riot! :tucool: You're looking big and strong though! :D After this bulk, you're going to be more than ready to step on the bodybuilding stage. Better ask Santa for a posing suit this Christmas! ;)

MGB
Sun, November 20th, 2005, 03:26 AM
I think your voice is bulking, too.

1FastGTX
Sun, November 20th, 2005, 03:43 AM
I loved the video! LOL!

I can just picture it...

John doing bench press...

THREE!...silent night...FOUR!...holy night...FIVE!...all is calm...SIX!...all is bright...SEVE---DAMMIT!

Reno_1ted
Sun, November 20th, 2005, 05:57 AM
I loved the video! LOL!

I can just picture it...

John doing bench press...

THREE!...silent night...FOUR!...holy night...FIVE!...all is calm...SIX!...all is bright...SEVE---DAMMIT!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

John Stone
Sun, November 20th, 2005, 07:59 AM
and here I thought I would get to see John Stone doing lateral raises to Jingle Bells.Some things are better left unseen. :D


:lol: That's a riot! :tucool: You're looking big and strong though! :D After this bulk, you're going to be more than ready to step on the bodybuilding stage. Better ask Santa for a posing suit this Christmas! ;)Thanks, but I don't think there will be any competing in my future. I've thought about it, but competing just doesn't have any appeal to me.


I think your voice is bulking, too.:confused: Actually it's even deeper when I'm not out of breath. Remember when Jeremy Likness interviewed me (http://www.johnstonefitness.com/php/videos.php)?


I loved the video! LOL!
I can just picture it...

John doing bench press...

THREE!...silent night...FOUR!...holy night...FIVE!...all is calm...SIX!...all is bright...SEVE---DAMMIT!
:D I wouldn't want to do it every week, but the music made for a fun workout. In today's update I said:


Have you ever grunted out heavy-ass upright cable rows while Jewel sings:

"Fall on your knees
Hear the angel's voices
O night divine"

Well, I have.


:lol:

yogro
Sun, November 20th, 2005, 08:13 AM
Today Lisa and I spent the whole day doing some serious fall cleaning. The house is spotless! Needless to say, by the time my workout rolled around I was dead tired, so I decided to just skip it.

YEAH, RIGHT! :nono:
well well, i think that was a horrible waste of space...i don't think it could have fooled anyone...john to miss a workout? NEVER!!! seriously if you are going to try and scare us, try something like you house was blown away in a hurricane...until then quit trying :)
otherwise, great to see the shoulders holding out well!
take care,
Yossel

John Stone
Sun, November 20th, 2005, 09:15 AM
well well, i think that was a horrible waste of space...i don't think it could have fooled anyone...john to miss a workout? NEVER!!! seriously if you are going to try and scare us, try something like you house was blown away in a hurricane...until then quit trying :)
otherwise, great to see the shoulders holding out well!
take care,
Yossel:lol: Thanks, Yossel! Yeah, the shoulders both feel great this morning. I can't wait for tonight's workout, I'm going to tear it up. :tucool:

John Stone
Sun, November 20th, 2005, 09:16 AM
Holiday Turtle!!

yogro
Sun, November 20th, 2005, 09:32 AM
Holiday Turtle!!
How cute!!!
I posted thanks to Chris (1FastGTX) in his thread for posting pictures of his dogs and I just want to pass them on to you. I grew up really never having anything to do with dogs and pretty much was afraid of em. As I grew older I slowly lost my fear yet was never really comfortable with them. Now, hugely thanks to JSF dog owners postings I am really appreciating my mates dogs, they are incredibly fun and cute. I don't think I would have gone this far were it not for all you guys and your dogs. So thanks John and all other dog owners here!

The Abdominal Snowman
Sun, November 20th, 2005, 09:36 AM
Actually it's even deeper when I'm not out of breath. Remember when Jeremy Likness interviewed me (http://www.johnstonefitness.com/php/videos.php)?

I listened to it and found out you played Quake! :D

I used to be quite the Quake (1) player myself, and totally recognize the 'cheater' replies, the comparison of bot use/steroid use is right on the mark! (I doubt I'll ever get steroid remarks though ;))