I recently got my hands on a bottle of ephredine II.....it has 25mg of ephredine per capsule. I am well aware that this substance has been banned and am not looking for a lecture on the cons of useing this stuff.. There are about 40 pills left in the bottle and i want to use them for that amount only..I dont plan on purchasing anymore..just a one time deal.

So how can i go about using that many and still maximise my weight loss. I do not want to stack aspirin with them although i do drink coffee so i figured coffee and one of these pills..

When should i take them...should i take them on training days or cardio days or both?? IN the morning or before training???

I need help on this cause i have no idea how to take this substance for maximum effectiveness...

thanks

I've typically taken ECA before my workouts.

But, for thermogenic effectiveness, I would start slow (considering you probably not used it before). Some people experience quite the boost from ephedrine/ephedra. Also ensure you read the warning regarding high blood pressure/heart prolbems (in which case if you have either one you should not be taking eph).

Split the tabs in half and take 1 x 12mg eph/200mg caffeine 3 times per day. Second week you may try increasing the dose, but do not exceed 75mg per day. Asprin has been shown to make no major difference in the thermogenic effects of EC.

Weekends - stop and cycle 2 weeks on one week off.

Two capsules three times a day is about the normall recommendation, I think. However, maybe twice a day is better so that you can sleep at night ;).

When to take it doesn't really matter too much as one dose will last for around 4 hours, so maybe in the morning and after lunch.

The buzz should take effect after about an hour so taking it an hour before training might give you a boost in the gym.

The buzz should take effect after about an hour so taking it an hour before training might give you a boost in the gym.

One other thing, the buzz effect you experience tends to diminish over time, however; the thermogenic effects do not.

25mg is the recommended dosage for ephidrine. It is recommended on most labels that you take 1-3 per day, but I would advise heavily against that until you acclimate to it. Start by taking a half a day (if you can split one), then 1 a day, then work from there if you want to. I would recommend taking no more than 2 a day, 1 right after breakfast and 1 right after lunch. Never take them on an empty stomach. You shouldn't feel crazy hyper if you take them with food, but you likely will if you take them on an empty stomach. You can take them on both cardio and non-cardio days.

edit : sorry about the double info here, there were no replies when I wrote this... all good posts!

25mg is the recommended dosage for ephidrine.
Absolutely correct. Sorry, I got my dosages confused in the above post.

Also, to perhaps clear up a common misconception, ephedrine isn't banned. It's ephedra, itself, that's banned. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to ban one and not the other, but it (ephedrine) can still be sold as an OTC pharmaceutical theoretically for asthma sufferers.

I have used ECA consistently for the past month or so. It was primarily to control hunger and get energy for gym. However, my body has a very high toleration to any medicine. (I take like 6-7 tablets of advil/tylenol, doctor agrees) So, i took 50 mg ephedrine 3x a day. Now, i realize that i am pumnped up to go to the gym by my own determination so i have stopped using it. If i suddenly feel very hungry, ill pop 2 pills w a cup of coffee and wait out the hunger pangs.

If ur gonna use it, start slow and build a tolerance.

Also, to perhaps clear up a common misconception, ephedrine isn't banned. It's ephedra, itself, that's banned. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to ban one and not the other, but it (ephedrine) can still be sold as an OTC pharmaceutical theoretically for asthma sufferers.
i think because ephedra can easily be made into speed and ephedrine can't?

ephedrine can be used as a bronchilator, thats why its still legal

I was considering taking a cup of coffee and half a pill(12mg) in the mornings on the weekends and then going out for a run or something? However, it seems that its not a good idea to take them on an empty stomach??? If fat loss is increased in the mornings like that before breakfast then why would this thermogeneic not double that processs..

anyone else take them on an empty stomace??

It would only be for the weekends..during the week i need to eat right away for work.

However, it seems that its not a good idea to take them on an empty stomach??? [...] Anyone else take them on an empty stomace??
Did you read my post?
Never take them on an empty stomach.
Someone posted a message to the boards about a week ago saying that they took a thermogenic and they felt like they were having a heart attack. That's what 25mg of ephedrine will feel like on an empty stomach. It won't kill you, but it's not a good idea. Like Craig siad, it takes about an hour to kick in, so why not take it with food an hour before you go running?

I am only taking half which is about 12mg....and it will only be in the mornings on the weekends....I am not worried about the crazy feeling effects....im not worried about my heart....however, if this method is no more bennificial then taking them with food then i would not bother....its just that from what i ujderstand this is the best method for fast fat loss...

I am only taking half which is about 12mg....and it will only be in the mornings on the weekends....I am not worried about the crazy feeling effects....im not worried about my heart....however, if this method is no more bennificial then taking them with food then i would not bother....its just that from what i ujderstand this is the best method for fast fat loss...


ECA/ECY doesnt burn fat. It justs kills hunger. YOU have to still eat rright and work out.

ECA/ECY doesnt burn fat. It justs kills hunger. YOU have to still eat rright and work out.

That is not correct. ECA has been documented as one of the strongest stimulants when it comes to "burning" fat.

There is a thermogenic effect from taking it which raises the body temperature, thus increasing metabolism, thus causing one to utilize more energy at rest. (Direct)

There is a stimulant effect which makes a person more energetic, thus increasing the amount of activity one typically performs, thus causing one to utilze more energy while active. (In-Direct)

Killing hunger is something that I've not personally epxerienced with EC. As a matter of fact, I've seen studies showing caffeine in fact increases hunger pangs.

Of course, if your energy balance is positive then you will not "burn" fat. So naturally, your diet and training plan have to be in order as well.

That is not correct. ECA has been documented as one of the strongest stimulants when it comes to "burning" fat.

There is a thermogenic effect from taking it which raises the body temperature, thus increasing metabolism, thus causing one to utilize more energy at rest. (Direct)

There is a stimulant effect which makes a person more energetic, thus increasing the amount of activity one typically performs, thus causing one to utilze more energy while active. (In-Direct)

Killing hunger is something that I've not personally epxerienced with EC. As a matter of fact, I've seen studies showing caffeine in fact increases hunger pangs.

Of course, if your energy balance is positive then you will not "burn" fat. So naturally, your diet and training plan have to be in order as well.


my bad, what i meant was that ECA will burn like 40-50 cals. U can do the same walking for 5 min or so. ECA is only good for killing hunger. It gives more energy, but it will not get a lazy ass to the gym, its up to the individual.

oh, does anyone have a link/study showing solid proof of this? I would be interested in showing it to my roomate. THNX!

When I took Ephedra I noticed a MARKED reduction in hunger. Also, I didn't really care what I was eating -- I was literally just eating for fuel (so on Ephedra it was easier to eat healthy as well)

However, when I cycled off of it (every week I did 5 days on 2 days off) I was RAVENOUS and also didn't have much self control so would binge on junk food.

For me the primary benefit of Ephedra was the extra 'zing' from the caffeine and the appetite supression effects.

-Allen

agree with Alan.

Howver, the extra zip GOES AWAY after a while. I didnt wanna overdo it, so i stopped completly and just use it for appetite kill

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this, but it is extremely important to drink plenty of water when using Ephedrine HCl. Food is not necessary. There are many advocates who recommend taking it in the morning before doing your cardio ON AN EMPTY stomach. Water is the key component. Take the Ephedrine 30 minutes prior to your cardio and drink 2-3 glasses of water. Stack it with 200 mg caffeine and 400 mg of Green Tea Extract for a super fat loss stack.

ditch the Tea and go with Yohimbine HCL

I've read that combining Yohimbine with Ephedrine can cause dangerous increases in blood pressure and heart rate for soem people. Each causes this on their own, but combined it could be even higher - at this point, its not worth the risk IMO. Better to take them separately.

Suggested schedule:

1. Wake up
2. Take the yohimbine and caffeine
3. cardio
4. eat/drink
5. 2 hours after taking the Y+C, begin the EC stack

Y+C stack:
Yohimbine HCl-->0.2mg per kg body weight
Caffeine-->200 mg

seriously doubt this, b/c ECY is one of the most potent stacks and contains those. Make sure u dont have carbs with the Y though

seriously doubt this, b/c ECY is one of the most potent stacks and contains those. Make sure u dont have carbs with the Y though

I think those products contain relatively low amounts of Y and/or ephedrine/synephrine thus the dangers are minimized. I agree about the carbs and Y.

Ephedrine is still legal because its clinically safer and its use in the pharmaceutical industry for asthma treatment. It is definitely powerful and was the favored fat burner for a reason. It does a hell of a lot more than "appetite kill." Also, your body builds up tolerance to it, which is why its recommended you only take it for 30 days at a time. Also, just because you don't feel it, doesn't mean its not working.

I ordered some Ephedrine HCl and Caffeine. I'm reluctant on Yohimbine because of its effect. Ephedrine and Caffeine are vasoconstrictors and Yohimbine is a vasodialator (I think thats what its called, its where your veins enlarge) so they contradict. I've taken Ephedra before and got amazing results with it.

I know you don't want to hear this, but in my hometown (Lincoln, Illinois) a student (Sean Riggins) died from taking this stuff. He was an active football player just wanting to enhance his gains. His dad was one of the reasons it was banned in Illinois, then nationwide.

There are a lot of good products now that don't have ephedrine, and some even caffeine free RE: Hydroxycut and Metabolife.

He was an active football player just wanting to enhance his gains.
Any more details? I don't remember his name, but some major league baseball player died from taking it too. That's what everyone reported, but what wasn't reported nearly as much was that he had taken 4x the recommended dosage in one shot and then went outside on a 90 degree day in full uniform to do calisthenics with the team. Duh. Unfortunately, govt. has to come in and regulate it because people like this won't take it responsibly.

I know you don't want to hear this, but in my hometown (Lincoln, Illinois) a student (Sean Riggins) died from taking this stuff. He was an active football player just wanting to enhance his gains. His dad was one of the reasons it was banned in Illinois, then nationwide.

There are a lot of good products now that don't have ephedrine, and some even caffeine free RE: Hydroxycut and Metabolife.

i truly regret this. However, does anyone have any idea how much this guy took??? No offense, but one guy who thinks taking 500 mg of Ephedra thinking it will work better than the RECCOMENDED DOSE is an idiot and these cases are the reasons why Ephedra was banned.

oh, this was also the reason why i stopped taking Ephedrine. My body built a tolerance to 50 mg, so i didnt want to do it any harm, so i went cold turkey on it. I think 2 weeks will be enough

Not be an ass but I seriously bet he overdosed on it. Millions of people (including myself) consumed the product and less than 100 people total died from it. I know teenagers (I am one) and I'd even bet the clothes on my back that he thought he could make impressive gains by taking multiple times the recommended amount. Either that or he had a history of heart problems, which he should have consulted a doctor for. I recently got a check up and got my blood pressure done and it was perfectly normal.

Ephedrine is safe in the right hands. The key is to gradually let it in. Since typically a serving is 25 mg, only take one serving a day for the first week. Then bump it to two. To be honest, Ephedrine isn't even supposed to make you feel like you're going to have a heart attack. Its just a potent thermogenic that will increase BP but not to an insane degree. If it happens to anyone, get off of it. Its also overrated as an appetite suppressant. I've done a lot of reading on it and the key is to educate yourself before blindly wandering into it.

Although John Stone was able to lose weight quick and effectively w/o the aid of Ephedrine. So its definitely doable, Ephedrine just shaves off 2-3 weeks of additional cutting. Of course, if your diet is garbage, it won't do you a bit of good. However I took it and got amazing results with it. If you don't like the idea of taking Ephedrine but still want a fat burner, MP's Thermorexin (aka T-Rex) is supposedly the most potent EF fat burner out there that also contains appetite suppressants. Its pretty expensive ($55 or so for 180 ct.) but it might be worth it to some. That or SAN Tight or VPX Redline.

agree with above.

Also, it pisses the hell outa me when the damn government bans ephedra, and allows other crap like alcohol/cigarettes. There are SO MANY MORE DEATHS due to cancer/dui compared to Ephedra. This shows how much money dominates our country.

Well, cigarettes and alcohol are taxed pretty heavily. The government also tried banning alcohol back in the day and we all know how that turned out. I imagine it'd be even worse for cigarettes. The reason why Ephedra was banned was because there wasn't a large enough crowd to protest it. Most people who took it are teenagers and early 20 year olds and frankly, given the absolutely piss poor voting percentages, the government walks all over us. Which is why they are proposing such outrageous bills like the draft or 2 years mandatory service. However, congressmen still drink and smoke so it personally impacts them.

Solution: Vote bodybuilders into congress.

Seriously though, the Ephedra scare is proof that the government can easily brainwash consumers. I guarantee you over 10 million people consumed this product throughout its life and because a baseball player died from it, its suddenly death in a bottle. Fortunately Ephedrine HCl is legal. However I'm stocking up somewhat on it because as soon as the government finds much more effecient bronchilators (sp?), Ephedrine HCl will probably be phased out for good.

Solution: Vote bodybuilders into congress.

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Lol, guess who i voted for in the Cal. election