View Full Version : Deadlift. The one the only?


Robert2006
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 11:58 AM
Okay I'm lazy. I've accepted it. So lets move on.

Can I just deadlift? I like dead lifting . Right now I'm deadlifting once or twice a week. Figure six sets of 10 total most weeks. Some times less. Some more.

I'm slowly working back towards my old personal best. I figure end of Oct I'll be there.

My goals.

1) I'm working on dropping the last bit of fat around my lower abs. Slowly dropping about 1/2lb a week or less.

2) Other then that I'd like to grow old with my health.

When I feel like it I do bent over rows . Switching between barbell and dumbell. I also do straight leg deadlifts when I REALLY feel motivated. So not very often.

So will I do my self a mischief just deadlifting?

I'm not going to squat unless I get a rack and I'm not sure I've got the room. Dumbbell squats don't feel any different from deadlifts. I've never had a great love for bench. I know i should be doing military press.

George
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 01:12 PM
I feel like this is a good recipe for lots of muscular imbalances. For the sake of long term health, I would try to balance things out more. Do something quad dominant for every hip dominant movement. Do some sort of press for every pull.
If you're having trouble with DB squats, try single leg work such as lunges (use a short stroke to hit your quads more) and Bulgarians.

Flex
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 01:18 PM
Work every muscle. Don't be lazy.

anfeyd
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 05:22 PM
Work every muscle. Don't be lazy.

Do you all of the muscles on your body, Flex? A movement for each muscle? You do specific finger work, specific neck work, specific toe work?

Flex
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 05:29 PM
Do you all of the muscles on your body, Flex? A movement for each muscle? You do specific finger work, specific neck work, specific toe work?

You over analyzed my response with a very sarcastic tone. If you want a disproportional body by only working biceps and not triceps, or just upper body and not legs or just back and not chest thats up to you.

I'm just saying...don't go half ass and pick and choose what you like to lift. That just my opinion, no offense & not trying to be hostile.

anfeyd
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 05:43 PM
You over analyzed my response with a very sarcastic tone. If you want a disproportional body by only working biceps and not triceps, or just upper body and not legs or just back and not chest thats up to you.

I'm just saying...don't go half ass and pick and choose what you like to lift. That just my opinion, no offense & not trying to be hostile.

I want to know, if you are a recreational lifter, why you shouldn't lift the way you wan to lift?

akm3
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 05:56 PM
Do you all of the muscles on your body, Flex? A movement for each muscle? You do specific finger work, specific neck work, specific toe work?

Actually yes! If you do all the major compounds, you get 'everything', don't you?

Not isolation exercises, but nothing gets neglected

Flex
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 06:06 PM
I want to know, if you are a recreational lifter, why you shouldn't lift the way you wan to lift?

Like I said it is just my opinion, you can do whatever you want. If you only want to deadlift and ignore other body parts then go for it. Don't expect any kind of great results, a well balanced body, or to progress at a decent pace.

In response to his original post,
So will I do my self a mischief just deadlifting?

This all depends on the goals you have ... if any were set.

anfeyd
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 06:27 PM
Actually yes! If you do all the major compounds, you get 'everything', don't you?

Not isolation exercises, but nothing gets neglected

Movements get neglected even if you do the majority of the compound movements. Again, my response as directed at Flex's and was rather sarcastic as his response was rather blunt and opinionated.

Flex, he listed his two goals in the original post.

Flex
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 06:44 PM
I mean more specific goals.

And I am sorry if my opinions on doing more than one type lift are too blunt.

Anyway I am done with responding in this thread since it is going no where.

Actually yes! If you do all the major compounds, you get 'everything', don't you?

Yes, movements like the squat, deadlift & bench will work a lot of muscle groups (if these 3 done, basically all of them). Even the fingers (grip), neck (by keeping traps tight), and toes (balance).

Azure
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 07:07 PM
Deadlift, squat, press.

Thats all I do.

JoeSchmo
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 10:07 PM
I feel like this is a good recipe for lots of muscular imbalances. For the sake of long term health, I would try to balance things out more. Do something quad dominant for every hip dominant movement. Do some sort of press for every pull.
If you're having trouble with DB squats, try single leg work such as lunges (use a short stroke to hit your quads more) and Bulgarians.

I agree with George. Deads are a fantastic exercise, but, to maintain overall strength balance, you want to do other exercises too.

Deadlift, squat, press.

Thats all I do.

OP, if you want to do a workout that focuses on just a few good lifts, then you might try something like Azure mentions above.

dejavued
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 10:14 PM
Deadlift, squat, press.

Thats all I do.

no kickbacks dude?? :lol:

naw but serious question......do you notice any lack of upper back strength/development from this?? i would assume some guys can get away with it and some can't. :confused: kinda depends on how easily you pack muscle on ur upper back i guess. or maybe not. i should go :read:

modmaven
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 10:50 PM
Deadlift, squat, press.

Thats all I do.

no kickbacks dude?? :lol:

naw but serious question......do you notice any lack of upper back strength/development from this?? i would assume some guys can get away with it and some can't. :confused: kinda depends on how easily you pack muscle on ur upper back i guess. or maybe not. i should go :read:

I think if you alternate the bench press with an overhead press, this could work fine.

To the OP, it does seem that developing the posterior chain but not the opposing muscle groups is asking for trouble -- as in some kind of injury down the road. Any compound calls for lots of muscle groups, some more than others. As you increase your strength on some, and not the others as much, one day there will be hell to pay.

KT Monahan
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 11:02 PM
no kickbacks dude?? :lol:



Kickbacks, calf raises, and inner thigh abductors. 3 x 5. Three times a week.

Hardcore.:mad:

chicanerous
Thu, August 6th, 2009, 11:10 PM
Can I just deadlift? I like dead lifting . Right now I'm deadlifting once or twice a week. Figure six sets of 10 total most weeks. Some times less. Some more.

I'm slowly working back towards my old personal best. I figure end of Oct I'll be there.

My goals.

1) I'm working on dropping the last bit of fat around my lower abs. Slowly dropping about 1/2lb a week or less.

2) Other then that I'd like to grow old with my health.

When I feel like it I do bent over rows . Switching between barbell and dumbell. I also do straight leg deadlifts when I REALLY feel motivated. So not very often.

So will I do my self a mischief just deadlifting?

I'm not going to squat unless I get a rack and I'm not sure I've got the room. Dumbbell squats don't feel any different from deadlifts. I've never had a great love for bench. I know i should be doing military press.
- deadlift
- military press
- bent-over row

sounds like a fine routine to me -- though I'd probably substitute pull/chin-ups for BORs.

Regardless, you really don't have to do much in terms of these other two lifts. A couple sets of 8-12 to failure 2-3x per week is enough. You could even alternate them to get them over quicker if you're really not into other lifts. It shouldn't take more than 4-6 minutes to do that. Spend the rest of your workout getting some good deadlifting in.

You might also try looking into Pavel Tsatsouline's stuff. He's big on heavy, low volume with minimalistic exercise selection. He also loves deadlifts.

Robert2006
Fri, August 7th, 2009, 01:34 AM
Thanks everybody. I just know myself. I'll stick to things much better if I'm enjoying myself.

KT Monahan
Fri, August 7th, 2009, 09:48 AM
- deadlift
- military press
- bent-over row

sounds like a fine routine to me -- though I'd probably substitute pull/chin-ups for BORs.



I would think a squat and some chest work would have to be thrown in there at some point. No?

anfeyd
Fri, August 7th, 2009, 02:46 PM
I would think a squat and some chest work would have to be thrown in there at some point. No?

No, it doesn't.

Just because lifts are popular doesn't mean they need to be done. You're not going to develop muscle imbalances from performing the deadlift, it's just not going to happen. The ROM is too small and it's not like the quadriceps are completely disengaged during the movement. Most people could use more posterior work anyway. You walk up steps your whole life, no one tells you to walk down backwards to 'avoid muscle imbalances'. When is the last time you heard someones cause of pain or injury caused by an overdeveloped posterior chain? Granted athletes may get injured because of under developed quadriceps that usually are key in acceleration and deceleration, but that's way above this. The OP just wants to live healthy and lean.

The squat is useful but if the original poster admits he is lazy and or doesn't have the equipment or desire then why should anyone say lifts need to be done?

chicanerous
Fri, August 7th, 2009, 03:46 PM
I would think a squat and some chest work would have to be thrown in there at some point. No?

No, it doesn't.

Just because lifts are popular doesn't mean they need to be done. You're not going to develop muscle imbalances from performing the deadlift, it's just not going to happen. The ROM is too small and it's not like the quadriceps are completely disengaged during the movement. Most people could use more posterior work anyway. You walk up steps your whole life, no one tells you to walk down backwards to 'avoid muscle imbalances'. When is the last time you heard someones cause of pain or injury caused by an overdeveloped posterior chain? Granted athletes may get injured because of under developed quadriceps that usually are key in acceleration and deceleration, but that's way above this. The OP just wants to live healthy and lean.

The squat is useful but if the original poster admits he is lazy and or doesn't have the equipment or desire then why should anyone say lifts need to be done?

+1

As for chest work, I'm not sure why you'd think it'd be needed.

- the bench press is commonly associated with shoulder injuries
- on the other hand, the military press strengthen the shoulders and can lead to improved shoulder health (as long as the exercise isn't contraindicated in the first place with an acromion shape that predisposes you to impingement)
- the pull-up will help build the scapular musculature needed to maintain healthy shoulders
- the MP and PU complement each other, as each is done in the vertical plane
- DL/MP/PU and DL/MP/BOR require and cost less in terms of necessary equipment than DL/BP/BOR or DL/BP/PU

Dips are a potential alternative for a press though.

zenpharaohs
Sat, August 8th, 2009, 12:05 AM
If you need to squat but don't have the rack, usually you can clean enough from the floor to make Bulgarians worthwhile. Short of that, pistols are useful. You can also try hack squats. I have also thought of a hack version of the Bulgarian which might be interesting, but I haven't tried that yet. But just because you don't have a rack doesn't mean your quads have to suffer.

I do agree that the ham/quad imbalance can be a problem, but it sort of depends on what your individual mechanics of the deadlift are.

However, usually the problem people have is that they get their quads too strong compared to their hamstrings (which can be an injury risk) - and this is unlikely with deadlifting since it is oriented the other way.