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mzmtg Sun, May 16th, 2004, 10:35 AM I'm trying to use the Zig Zag calorie calculator, but I dont think it is correct.
Here's the link: http://www.naturalphysiques.com/tools.php?itemid=64
Okay, I put in my weight, 185 pounds, simple method.
For extreme fat loss, my calories would be 8 times body weight, 1480 per day. This is listed in the average box. But the amounts listed in the daily boxes do not average 1480. They are:
Sun: 1480
Mon: 1665
Tue: 1480
Wed: 1665
Thu: 1480
Fri: 1665
Sat: 1480
That's a total of 10915 calories for the week.
10915 calories per week, divided by 7 days = 1559 average calories per day.
So, am I reading this wrong, or is it calculating wrong?
guava Sun, May 16th, 2004, 11:07 AM No idea about the zigzag calculator, but I'd be pretty hungry if I followed that meal plan, and I'm only 120 pounds.
IronPhoenix Sun, May 16th, 2004, 01:11 PM I'm trying to use the Zig Zag calorie calculator, but I dont think it is correct.
Here's the link: http://www.naturalphysiques.com/tools.php?itemid=64
Okay, I put in my weight, 185 pounds, simple method.
For extreme fat loss, my calories would be 8 times body weight, 1480 per day. This is listed in the average box. But the amounts listed in the daily boxes do not average 1480. They are:
Sun: 1480
Mon: 1665
Tue: 1480
Wed: 1665
Thu: 1480
Fri: 1665
Sat: 1480
That's a total of 10915 calories for the week.
10915 calories per week, divided by 7 days = 1559 average calories per day.
So, am I reading this wrong, or is it calculating wrong?
I mean, I see what it's doing, putting you at 8x body weight one day, then 9x the next. Problem in my opinion is that 9x body weight is still too low, certainly not the level at which a jump up from 8x body weight should be at.
If you're trying to sustain this diet for more than a week or two, In my opinion it should be something more like
1480
2220
1480
2220
1480
2220
1480
You'll average out to 1850.
If you're just looking to do a diet for 6-7 days, by all means, follow the
original, undereating for that amount of time won't kill you.
........
Actually, now that I think about it, and how Jeremy usually operates his own diets.... those calorie recommendations were probably for before exercise.
Like, if you didn't do any cardio or weights those days, eat that much, 1480 calories, but if you did 300 calories worth of cardio, compensate by eating 300 hundred more calories.
This makes more sense to me.
mzmtg Sun, May 16th, 2004, 02:20 PM You're both missing my point.
I'm not asking for advice about how many calories to eat. I'm asking if the calc's math is wrong or I'm just crazy.
guava Sun, May 16th, 2004, 02:47 PM Okay,
Looks like the average number is the one that is off in the first column. Your average should be 1559.
guava Sun, May 16th, 2004, 04:05 PM No, sorry. That doesn't make sense. Looks like he intends that extreme fat loss is in fact supposed to average 8 times your body weight, so you'd have to go even lower than 8 times your body weight in some days.
I think you'd need to ask Jeremy to clarify.
JeremyLikness Sun, May 16th, 2004, 08:52 PM I think we're splitting hairs. The calculator is designed to provide a sample zig-zag. It also explains this:
Let me again emphasize, these numbers are generic guidelines. Some people may require much higher calories to drop weight, or much lower calories to gain weight. Every person is different, so we offer various levels as guidelines to allow you to choose what effectively works for you. The calculator will not compute a day with less than 8x your body weight in calories - this is a general lower limit that I use with my clients!
I wouldn't take it as the gospel - some days it may go too low.
Of course, I also always hear the argument that 1500 calories is starvation, a lot of women tell me they need higher calories, etc. That is fine, everyone is different, I can't cut for a photo shoot without going to 1500 calories, and I handle it just fine, despite weighing over 200 pounds ... it's a question of getting the right quality calories (i.e. high fiber foods - vegetables, fruits, etc) so that you are not starving yourself.
The calculator uses simply math on a 7-day cycle, and builds in rounding, so it is not going to be 100%. It is just a template, guideline, starting point if you will. Keep in mind that your food labels have a 20% allowable error by the FDA, so you never really get exact anyway - if you estimate you eat 2000 calories in a day, you are really eating anywhere between 1600 - 2400 calories. A big range, I know, but that's the error built into the system. So your best bet is to find a guideline, stick with it, record your results, then modify it. If you find you are starving or weak, eat more. If your fat loss is stalling, eat less or move more. Adjust it and create what is right for you.
Jeremy
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