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dejavued Wed, April 1st, 2009, 06:53 PM I thought it'd be fun to have a timed deadlift challenge.
simply max reps in 10 minutes.
pick a "level" and report how many reps you are able to get in the 10 minutes.
then work ur ass off to get that number higher and beat yourself and fellow jsf members at your level. :spaz:
level 1 -0.75 x bw ({bodyweight x 0.75} +/- 10 lbs for max reps in 10 minutes)
level 2 - bw (bodyweight +/- 10 lbs for max reps in 10 minutes)
EXAMPLE: 200 lb person deadlifts 190-210 lbs for 52 reps in 10 minutes
level 3 - 1.5 x bw ({bodyweight x 1.5} +/- 10 lbs for max reps in 10 minutes)
level 4 - 1.75 x bw ({bodyweight x 1.75} +/- 10 lbs for max reps in 10 minutes)
level 5 - 2 x bw ({bodyweight x 2} +/- 10 lbs for max reps in 10 minutes)
dejavued Wed, April 1st, 2009, 07:02 PM i spose i should start.
won't be doing any for a few days but last week i got:
level 4: 225 lbs x 7,5,5,5,6,5,5,4,2 = 44 total reps
hoping to get around 50 next time i try this weight :scared:
bmacntmac Tue, April 7th, 2009, 06:37 AM I'll bite.
Level 2: 255 lbs x 7,7,7,5,5,5,5,1 = 42 total reps.
dejavued Sun, April 12th, 2009, 03:14 PM level 4: 225 lbs (bw 130lbs) x 9, 7, 6, 6, 6, 5, 5, 4, 3 = 51 total reps :claphigh::claphigh::claphigh::claphigh:
zenpharaohs Sun, April 12th, 2009, 03:48 PM OK let me check my signature:
50 x 315# deadlift in 9:50.6
That was done at a bodyweight of about 205# so it was just over 1.5xBW.
dejavued Sun, April 12th, 2009, 03:55 PM OK let me check my signature:
50 x 315# deadlift in 9:50.6
That was done at a bodyweight of about 205# so it was just over 1.5xBW.
hey zen were those touch n go?? i remember there being a video but i can't remember that detail. :confused:
zenpharaohs Sun, April 12th, 2009, 10:57 PM hey zen were those touch n go?? i remember there being a video but i can't remember that detail. :confused:
Those were in sets of singles. Here is the video of an attempt I made before I finally succeeded. In this case, I cut the session short because I was afraid my son was going to turn off the camera.
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You can see from the time that I was easily on pace to get the 50 in ten minutes.
Sometimes I pull touch and gos, as in the deadlift part of the Philadelphia Half Marathon Equivalent workout: 8x5x160kg, 6x5x150kg, 10x150kg (see video) and 4x5x140kg. The idea was to get 100 reps averaging over 150kg in less than an hour; this took just under 51 minutes. I suppose that is another timed deadlift set.
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dejavued Sun, April 12th, 2009, 11:05 PM Those were in sets of singles. Here is the video of an attempt I made before I finally succeeded. In this case, I cut the session short because I was afraid my son was going to turn off the camera.
You can see from the time that I was easily on pace to get the 50 in ten minutes.
nice. i forget you drink diet soda during the workout right?? at first i thought that was a huge mug of dark beer. :doh:
Sometimes I pull touch and gos, as in the deadlift part of the Philadelphia Half Marathon Equivalent workout: 8x5x160kg, 6x5x150kg, 10x150kg (see video) and 4x5x140kg. The idea was to get 100 reps averaging over 150kg in less than an hour; this took just under 51 minutes. I suppose that is another timed deadlift set.
that definitely sparks my interest. i'll have to try to get 100 reps of 1.75 x bw in an hour sometime this cut. :tucool:
do you wait until ur heartrate comes down to a certain level to start the next set or are you looking at the watch for time???
i did my last timed deads with deload at the bottom each time. i was definitely able to get a LOT more reps with touch n go. i'm weak from the ground so i guess that makes sense.
J_W Mon, April 13th, 2009, 07:36 AM Once I've finished up my current cycle and have re-tested my max I'm in :D.
dejavued Mon, April 13th, 2009, 11:29 AM Once I've finished up my current cycle and have re-tested my max I'm in :D.
:jumping: sweet!
zenpharaohs Mon, April 13th, 2009, 06:53 PM nice. i forget you drink diet soda during the workout right?? at first i thought that was a huge mug of dark beer. :doh:
do you wait until ur heartrate comes down to a certain level to start the next set or are you looking at the watch for time???
i did my last timed deads with deload at the bottom each time. i was definitely able to get a LOT more reps with touch n go. i'm weak from the ground so i guess that makes sense.
A: Yeah it's an actual pint glass so a lot of people have asked if it's Guiness. Uh, brilliant, I suppose.
B: If I am really going to push for time, I do look at the heart rate monitor, and have a recovery rate in mind, although I am also keeping in mind the reps and time remaining; starting out I'm trying to keep the rate down, but if there isn't too much time left, then I will raise the recovery rate since I can handle the high rate for a little while. You have to be a little careful since the neuromuscular recovery of deadlifting is important, more important than that cardio-metabolic recovery if you have a high lactate threshold. So although my lactate threshold is over 170, I keep the recovery rate more like 150 in the beginning, and 160 until the last set or so, when it's time to let it rip.
C: If you get a lot more reps from touch and go, then pull full singles, and vice versa. Train whichever is harder.
zenpharaohs Mon, April 13th, 2009, 06:57 PM Once I've finished up my current cycle and have re-tested my max I'm in :D.
:jumping: sweet!
Now look. It's all well and good for you to fill the bikini thread with PRs and such, but here I think we shall have something to say. And by "WE" I mean, uh, Big_D? Pete5? chic? fishtanker? Schmo? Bueller?
Is this thing on?
dejavued Mon, April 13th, 2009, 07:04 PM thanks for the answers zen. i appreciate it. what does your heartrate tend to peak at for the 10 min sets??
C: If you get a lot more reps from touch and go, then pull full singles, and vice versa. Train whichever is harder.
yeah i've figured that out. i'm doing almost all full singles (besides the last timed set) and speed pulls from a deficit.
Now look. It's all well and good for you to fill the bikini thread with PRs and such, but here I think we shall have something to say. And by "WE" I mean, uh, Big_D? Pete5? chic? fishtanker? Schmo? Bueller?
Is this thing on?
:evil::evil::evil: boys he's callin ya out!!!! :spaz::spaz::spaz: bring it on!
zenpharaohs Mon, April 13th, 2009, 08:07 PM thanks for the answers zen. i appreciate it. what does your heartrate tend to peak at for the 10 min sets??
The one in my signature came from this workout:
Workout at QUADS in Chicago
Barbell deadlift: 50x315# in 9:50.6 (hooks)
Single leg barbell deadlift on inverted bosu: 6x135#, 6x184#
Front squat: 1x225#, 5x3x185#
Barbell back squat: 4x3x275#
Clean and jerk: 12x1x135#
1196 Calories in 1:29
MHR 175, AHR 139
As expected the top heart rate was at the end of the 50 deadifts. (http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showpost.php?p=536966&postcount=937)
That's right under where the lactate threshold probably was in those days.
zenpharaohs Tue, April 14th, 2009, 02:10 PM From today's workout:
Bodyweight = 227#
Barbell deadlift:
6x315# speed warm up
(6,3,3,3,2,4,1,4,5)x405# (hooks) in about 9:45
that is a total of 31 reps, and 405# = 1.784 x 227#.
So I believe I am starting out with 31 reps at "level 4".
dejavued Wed, April 15th, 2009, 07:45 PM From today's workout:
So I believe I am starting out with 31 reps at "level 4".
wow 31 reps at 405 lbs. :eek::eek::eek: nice!! :claphigh::bow:
Jedi Thu, April 16th, 2009, 06:04 AM OOPS, :bang: shd have checked the thread before heading to the gym, I did it for 15 mins instead of 10:( ah well will know for next time). Also someone came up and started chatting to me in the middle:rolleyes:
level 2 60kg DLs
13 10 9 9 7 7 6 5 7 (=63) next time I will do 10 mins
how the heck does Déjà do level 4:bow:?
is there a strategy for this? what does touch n go mean? i think my rests were too long.
dejavued Thu, April 16th, 2009, 10:28 AM is there a strategy for this? what does touch n go mean? i think my rests were too long.
:lol: at least 10 minutes will feel short next time!!
sure there's a strategy... (andy will say its an art :lol:)..... mostly just figuring out how many reps to do the first couple sets so you aren't completely fried but get in a fairly decent number. then its just playing with how little rest you can handle.
touch n go just means not fully deloading the weight of the bar to the ground..... just touching the plates to the ground and relifting.
you did great! i guarantee u'll show a lot of improvement quickly with these too. good job jedi!!! :spaz: christy's going to be coming for you shortly. :evil::evil::evil:
zenpharaohs Thu, April 16th, 2009, 01:45 PM OOPS, :bang: shd have checked the thread before heading to the gym, I did it for 15 mins instead of 10:( ah well will know for next time). Also someone came up and started chatting to me in the middle:rolleyes:
level 2 60kg DLs
13 10 9 9 7 7 6 5 7 (=63) next time I will do 10 mins
how the heck does Déjà do level 4:bow:?
is there a strategy for this?
A: 15 minutes for reps is a good workout to begin the training for the 10 minute challenge. Train to run through the finish line - not to the finish line. Later, you cut it back to the 10 minute contest duration.
B: Chatting doesn't help recovery. But at least you didn't stop.
C: If you got the 63 in 15 minutes you should increase the load.
D: DJ is a hardass.
E: You don't really have to think out a strategy, if you go hard, the strategy sort of explains itself to you as you go along.
zenpharaohs Thu, April 23rd, 2009, 09:36 PM Today, body weight 227#
Trap bar deadlift (hooks):
5x410# (warmup)
(6,4,3,2,4,5)x500# in 9:53
So that's 24 reps at 2.20xBody weight in less than 10 minutes. It is a trap bar, though (which I really like for training).
Since 2.25x227 = 510 I would say that these could be considered level 6.
Ecrivain Fri, April 24th, 2009, 09:19 PM Level 2: 255 x 11, 8, 7, 6, 7, 5, 4, 1 = 49
modmaven Tue, April 28th, 2009, 03:23 PM Level One: 155x3,3,3,3,4,3,3 = 22
Azure Tue, April 28th, 2009, 10:53 PM Zen I want to come train with you.
We'll go to Defranco's gym. :tu:
I think I'll be in on this. Good idea....although I'll have to start pretty low. I just finished a cycle where my 1RM increased 145# from 200#-345#.
I'll see tomorrow.
Azure Wed, April 29th, 2009, 07:29 PM 76x180# in 10 min.
Moving up to level 2 next week Wednesday.
Azure Fri, May 1st, 2009, 07:20 PM Level 2.
42x240# - 10 min.
dejavued Fri, May 1st, 2009, 07:23 PM Level One: 155x3,3,3,3,4,3,3 = 22
:doh: somehow i missed this til now.
good work moddy!!! how'd that treat ya???
Level 2.
42x240# - 10 min.
:claplow: nice job azure. i've been following ur dl progress and ur really progressing. :nod:
Azure Fri, May 1st, 2009, 07:58 PM Thanks.
Props for starting this thread. I have a lot of 15-20 min breaks throughout the day where I can get this workout in.
Good stuff. :tu:
Azure Sat, May 2nd, 2009, 03:14 PM I wish I had a HR monitor.
Be pretty interesting to see how many calories I burn during one of these sessions.
zenpharaohs Sat, May 2nd, 2009, 11:34 PM Zen I want to come train with you.
Where are you located?
In any case welcome to the challenge!
Azure Sat, May 2nd, 2009, 11:41 PM Where are you located?
In any case welcome to the challenge!
About 4,000 miles west.
:(
zenpharaohs Sun, May 3rd, 2009, 01:56 PM About 4,000 miles west.
:(
Where is that? Attu Station, Alaska? San Diego is only 2400 miles away from here.
Azure Sun, May 3rd, 2009, 04:13 PM Where is that? Attu Station, Alaska? San Diego is only 2400 miles away from here.
Alberta, Canada.
Maybe its only 3000 miles or so.
fishtanker Mon, May 4th, 2009, 03:27 PM Haha! I didn't know about this thread. I love a challenge!
I've been doing 5min timed DL's so i guess i'll have to up it to 10min.
So far though my last one was this:
39 at 265# in 5mins. BW of 219#
Level whatever
Azure Mon, May 4th, 2009, 10:03 PM So, is getting 50 at one level a good # to move up to the next level?
fishtanker Tue, May 5th, 2009, 08:59 AM Going for 295# in 10mins, tonight. :spaz:
I'm shooting for 50 but i'll be happy with 35-40. Since today is back day i can't decide if i should do my rows b4 or after. Probably b4 since i use them as a warm up....
fishtanker Tue, May 5th, 2009, 07:18 PM Today i did:
295#x6,4,5,5,5,5,5,7 = 42reps in 9:40. BW 219#
Level: 2 and change.
I was happy with that. Probably go with more weight next time.
dejavued Tue, May 5th, 2009, 07:21 PM wtg fishtanker. great work!! :cool:
fishtanker Wed, May 6th, 2009, 10:13 AM Thanks Deja! I'll be going for level 3 in 2 weeks.
Azure Fri, May 8th, 2009, 05:47 PM 53x240# in 9:50.
11 more than my last try at the same weight.
Probably going to increase the weight to 260/270# next time.
zenpharaohs Fri, May 8th, 2009, 08:09 PM 53x240# in 9:50.
11 more than my last try at the same weight.
Probably going to increase the weight to 260/270# next time.
Nice set, yes, it's time to move up.
zenpharaohs Fri, May 8th, 2009, 08:12 PM Today i did:
295#x6,4,5,5,5,5,5,7 = 42reps in 9:40. BW 219#
Level: 2 and change.
I was happy with that. Probably go with more weight next time.
Nice set, sounds like a good plan.
After people get in a few results they like, it would be nice to hear what value they think they might be getting from this sort of work, if any?
Azure Fri, May 8th, 2009, 09:07 PM Nice set, sounds like a good plan.
After people get in a few results they like, it would be nice to hear what value they think they might be getting from this sort of work, if any?
I would imagine it'll help increase your DL numbers overall.
In fact the program I'm doing right now calls for speed DLs at 240#.
Otherwise, metabolically I'd imagine it will have some benefits as well.
What benefits have you seen? Considering you've been doing this a lot longer than the rest of us.
zenpharaohs Tue, May 12th, 2009, 05:33 PM Trap bar deadlifts (hooks):
6x410#
For time:
(3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 2, 1) x 500# in about 9:30
zenpharaohs Tue, May 12th, 2009, 05:41 PM I would imagine it'll help increase your DL numbers overall.
In fact the program I'm doing right now calls for speed DLs at 240#.
Otherwise, metabolically I'd imagine it will have some benefits as well.
What benefits have you seen? Considering you've been doing this a lot longer than the rest of us.
It's been mostly about metabolism and strength endurance for me. I think it can also be a really good confindence builder for some people.
fishtanker Tue, May 12th, 2009, 08:24 PM For me its really helped with power off the line when i'm biking. That and heavy step ups.
fishtanker Tue, May 12th, 2009, 08:32 PM Trap bar deadlifts (hooks):
6x410#
For time:
(3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 2, 1) x 500# in about 9:30
Damn Zen. Thats moving some serious weight.
zenpharaohs Tue, May 12th, 2009, 09:12 PM Damn Zen. Thats moving some serious weight.
Yeah but it's not even one rep more than last time. I was cruising pretty well once I got into the sets of four, but then all of a sudden I was getting distracted by little things, and I ran out of gas. It wasn't
lack of ventilation or cardio limit - I wasn't really breathing that hard and the pulse was elevated but nothing amazing. I think I just dropped my blood sugar and that got me those last two limp sets.
tensdanny Wed, May 13th, 2009, 02:54 AM Damn Zen. Thats moving some serious weight.
That is seriously impressive Zen.
Azure Sat, May 16th, 2009, 01:46 PM 46x260# - 10 min.
Above everything else, this challenge teaches you proper form. At least for me.
fishtanker Wed, May 27th, 2009, 06:45 PM Today was
345# x5,4,5,5,5,6 (30) in 9:40
BW 216#
Level 3
Azure Wed, May 27th, 2009, 07:01 PM I got something like 32X260# in 10 min last Friday.
Horrible workout too. I had no energy.
Ecrivain Thu, May 28th, 2009, 10:56 PM Level 2: 255 x 11, 8, 7, 6, 7, 5, 4, 1 = 49
Level 2: 255 x 12, 6, 6, 10, 6, 6, 6, 4 = 56
A month later and I've only added 7 reps. :confused: Maybe I'll try Level 3 next time. :scared:
This really exposes any weak point in the lift. This time, I could tell the grip with my left hand was weak, and it held me back from squeezing a few more reps out of some of those sets.
I like the focus that comes with this. For ten minutes, it's just me, the weight, and the clock. The rest of the gym just fades away.
dejavued Fri, May 29th, 2009, 11:35 AM Today was
345# x5,4,5,5,5,6 (30) in 9:40
BW 216#
Level 3
hot damn! i would be SO happy to pull ONE at 345. :lol:
way to go fishyT. :claphigh:
Maybe I'll try Level 3 next time. :scared:
that's what i like to hear. :D
I like the focus that comes with this. For ten minutes, it's just me, the weight, and the clock. The rest of the gym just fades away.
:dreamy:
fishtanker Fri, May 29th, 2009, 04:06 PM Deja, if you weighed 215# i'm sure you'd be pulling way more than 345# ;)
I think i'm trying level 4 next time seeing as all my plates put me at 1.75x BW
Azure Fri, May 29th, 2009, 05:50 PM 47x260#.
One more than my previous best.
Lower right side of my back is giving me problems. I was too stubborn to miss a workout though.
Ecrivain Fri, May 29th, 2009, 10:55 PM that's what i like to hear. :D
...and then I woke up and realized what Level 3 would actually mean lifting. :lol: Ummm... maybe Level 2.5 next time. :o
Azure Fri, June 5th, 2009, 12:47 AM So, my last 3 tries at this have been 46, 47, 46x260# in 10 min.
Should I keep on trying to hit 50, or should I add more weight? I'm thinking of going to 280#, and working from there.
Azure Thu, June 11th, 2009, 06:34 PM Decided to add more weight.
37x280# - 10 min.
dejavued Thu, June 11th, 2009, 06:51 PM Decided to add more weight.
37x280# - 10 min.
looks like a good choice since ya got 37. :claplow:
zenpharaohs Thu, June 11th, 2009, 08:21 PM So, my last 3 tries at this have been 46, 47, 46x260# in 10 min.
Should I keep on trying to hit 50, or should I add more weight? I'm thinking of going to 280#, and working from there.
My experience is that it works about the same either way once you get enough effort so that you are cardio limited. So do what strikes your fancy.
Azure Thu, June 11th, 2009, 11:49 PM Heavier would be better, no?
fishtanker Fri, June 12th, 2009, 12:04 PM Heavier would be better, no?
Heavier is always better in my gym. ;)
I'm going for level 4 tonight.
zenpharaohs Fri, June 12th, 2009, 04:51 PM Heavier would be better, no?
Not really. Once you get going in this event, any weight that lands you in the 20-70 rep range for 10 minutes is going to trade off reps for weight pretty evenly; you will perform roughly the same amount of work in the 10 minutes.
This is because you are limited by cardiovascular effects, and the even is testing how fast you can turn over the fuel in your big muscles.
There are two opposing trade-offs between load and efficiency. The heavier the bar compared to your upper body weight, the less work is spent on raising your upper body. So you spend more of your effort lifting the iron as opposed to lifting yourself. This means heavier is more efficient. But the opposing effect is that the heavier the bar, the harder it is to keep your motion efficiency (aka form), so the heavier the bar, the less efficient your lifting motion.
Since these effects roughly cancel each other out, there is a relatively wide range of loads and reps which are close to optimal efficiency for you, and you are really limited by metabolism.
Azure Fri, June 12th, 2009, 05:02 PM Well, with time I should be able to do more reps, right?
I mean, I've gone from 180# to 280# in a month or so. I doubt my progress will be THAT fast, but I would think I'll keep progressing.
I think what limits me right now is the time I need to recover after every set of reps. 3 reps, 25 second recovery, 3 reps 25 seconds recovery. If I can improve that to 20 seconds, I can maybe get more reps in, or if I can do 4 reps, 25 seconds recovery.
fishtanker Fri, June 12th, 2009, 05:27 PM 385# 3,3,3,3,3,3,3 (21) in 10:00 flat
BW 217#, Level 4
dejavued Fri, June 12th, 2009, 06:04 PM 385# 3,3,3,3,3,3,3 (21) in 10:00 flat
BW 217#, Level 4
:spaz: nice!! bet that one took it out of ya.
i think with my lower bodyweight i'm going to have a go at level 5 next week. :scared: i'll be pretty happy if i can get that 21 at 2x's bw. :nod:
zenpharaohs Fri, June 12th, 2009, 06:25 PM :spaz: nice!! bet that one took it out of ya.
Yeah that set would be noticable for sure.
I've had swine flu for the past week in case anyone wants to know why I've not been lifting.
fishtanker Sat, June 13th, 2009, 07:33 AM It actually wasn't as bad as i thought it would be. I had a nice rythym going at the end. I think i can add a rep to most of those sets next time. :spaz:
Azure Thu, July 16th, 2009, 05:33 PM I never adjusted my numbers to include the weight of the bar(45#). So, here are all my records that I wrote down, properly adjusted.
76x225# - 10 min.
42x265# - 10 min.
53x285# - 10 min.
46x305# - 10 min.
47x305# - 10 min.
37x325# - 10 min.
:madpimp:
BW - 240#.
Just slightly below level 3.
dejavued Wed, July 22nd, 2009, 12:26 PM I never adjusted my numbers to include the weight of the bar(45#). So, here are all my records that I wrote down, properly adjusted.
76x225# - 10 min.
42x265# - 10 min.
53x285# - 10 min.
46x305# - 10 min.
47x305# - 10 min.
37x325# - 10 min.
:tucool: nice man!! the progression between these two is really impressive.:nod: :claplow::claplow:
Azure Sat, July 25th, 2009, 12:43 PM I'm actually involved in a CF competition right now.
300 reps of 225#.
No time. But, we are timing it until we can actually get to that point.
10 min. 12 min. 14 min. So on and so forth until we get it.
Should be fun. :whistle:
Azure Thu, August 27th, 2009, 01:34 PM Slowly getting into the CF competition.
71x225# with my first timed session in over 2 months.
gazareth Sun, August 30th, 2009, 05:31 AM 10 mins, 130kg
8, 6, 5, 5, 3, 2 = 29 @ level 2
That's 286lbs for your Yanks.
Back was the limiting factor - I didn't do another set after the 9 minute mark as I felt like my spine was about to leap out and embed itself into the gym wall. My work capacity has gone to shit. I foresee plenty more of these timed sets in future weeks :nod:
Will13 Sat, September 12th, 2009, 02:57 PM I've only just found this thread but after my first timed deadlift session I am hooked - destroyed me.
110kg (242lbs) 7,6,6,6,5,5,5,5,4 for 49 at a little above level 2.
Looking at some of the results on this thread I am pretty embarrassed for my size and weight, this is going into my schedule once per week from now on.
I don't know if this is because it was my first time out and I have not been deadlifting much for the last 6 weeks but - does anyone manage to continue with a high quality session afterwards....I got through the rest of my back and shoulders session but my weights were down and I felt so low on energy - my legs were literally shaking during my shoulder press!
Azure Sat, September 12th, 2009, 05:12 PM I don't do anything else but timed work on that day.
Will13 Thu, September 17th, 2009, 10:01 AM I don't do anything else but timed work on that day.
When you say timed work....do you go on and do timed Bench, timed squat etc?
I was thinking of trying 10mins DL, maybe 5 mins break then 10 mins bench as I have a spotter for a change - I am thinking that trying 10 mins squats would be stupid after that but if anyone has ever done this and not torn every muscle in their legs/glutes then I'm up for having a go tomorrow.
Stuck between that and having a go at my 1RM for all three as its rare to have someone to spot me and I just spotted the 1000lb challenge - then the timed DL. :confused:
fishtanker Thu, September 17th, 2009, 11:31 AM I
I don't know if this is because it was my first time out and I have not been deadlifting much for the last 6 weeks but - does anyone manage to continue with a high quality session afterwards....I
When i do timed deads i schedule them within my usual workout. I do, however, put them last in the workout cause i'm pretty spent afterwards.
dejavued Thu, September 17th, 2009, 11:51 AM When you say timed work....do you go on and do timed Bench, timed squat etc?
I was thinking of trying 10mins DL, maybe 5 mins break then 10 mins bench as I have a spotter for a change - I am thinking that trying 10 mins squats would be stupid after that but if anyone has ever done this and not torn every muscle in their legs/glutes then I'm up for having a go tomorrow.
Stuck between that and having a go at my 1RM for all three as its rare to have someone to spot me and I just spotted the 1000lb challenge - then the timed DL. :confused:
i usually do a timed dead set as it's own "conditioning"/"hiit style" workout and then do heavy singles, doubles, or triples later in the week.
you could do them after or before a heavy upper workout too. like do your heavy bench day.... some upper accessory stuff.... and then the timed dl's.
millions of options actually. just make sure you allow ur body proper recovery time. :tucool:
zenpharaohs Thu, September 17th, 2009, 03:53 PM When i do timed deads i schedule them within my usual workout. I do, however, put them last in the workout cause i'm pretty spent afterwards.
I often put them first, or right after a short warmup, but sometimes last. It doesn't seem to make much difference physically, but psychologically I like sooner rather than later.
Will13 Thu, September 17th, 2009, 04:23 PM Thank you all for the advice - I think I'm going to get my heavy shoulder work out the way first (I was pretty feeble last time out after the deadlifts), hit some weighted dips on a non chest and arms day and then go for the timed deadlifts at the end.
i usually do a timed dead set as it's own "conditioning"/"hiit style" workout and then do heavy singles, doubles, or triples later in the week.
I hope to be able to schedule a timed day and a heavy day each week after my move but will depend on how short my recovery can get as I'll need to be fresh for rugby on Saturdays and allow for recovery afterwards - often my back/core is the last to loosen up after a hard game - but then again, those were in the dark days before the deadift epiphany!
dejavued Thu, September 17th, 2009, 04:34 PM I hope to be able to schedule a timed day and a heavy day each week after my move but will depend on how short my recovery can get as I'll need to be fresh for rugby on Saturdays and allow for recovery afterwards - often my back/core is the last to loosen up after a hard game - but then again, those were in the dark days before the deadift epiphany!
don't forget things don't have to be scheduled only in weekly blocks. a 7 day week is an arbitrary number to our bodies. u can make ur blocks be 10 day periods if that's easier to figure out with rugby and ur body's recovery abilities. or whatever works for you. :D
Will13 Fri, September 18th, 2009, 04:01 AM 110kg (242lbs) 54 in 10.00
8,6,6,5,4,3,3,3,5,6,5
Destroyed me again, felt stronger this time but what was I up to with those 3's in the middle? I think I thought doing lots of 3's would get me there but it does more harm as I rest just as long, better for me just to hang in there. I need to work on using my left hand underhand more as my right and right forearm seem to be taking a fair bit of flak, I just don't feel as controlled the other way round. My right index finger is still numb, must have squashed a nerve half way through - :rolleyes:
Listening to Deja on the 7 day rotation :doh:- will go heavy next time out on deadlift which will probably be a week away from now and then back to timed deadlifts, perhaps at 120kg.
I did heavy shoulders before, turned out to be medium shoulders really as I have exhausted the dumbells in our gym, good job we're moving - shoulders felt blitzed before the deadlift kicked off but didn't feel it held me back at all during. Slotted in 5 sets of lat pull downs afterwards - there was no plan - it just felt like that was the right exercise to do - bit of Zen's attitude there to the timed deadlifts - just slot them in wherever feels good.
Azure Fri, September 18th, 2009, 07:17 PM When you say timed work....do you go on and do timed Bench, timed squat etc?
I was thinking of trying 10mins DL, maybe 5 mins break then 10 mins bench as I have a spotter for a change - I am thinking that trying 10 mins squats would be stupid after that but if anyone has ever done this and not torn every muscle in their legs/glutes then I'm up for having a go tomorrow.
Stuck between that and having a go at my 1RM for all three as its rare to have someone to spot me and I just spotted the 1000lb challenge - then the timed DL. :confused:
No, just timed deadlift work.
All my other timed stuff is on other days.
NCNBilly Wed, September 23rd, 2009, 01:59 PM Ok, I'm in (sorta)
I did a circuit workout of
10x215 Deadlift (about 1.2 x my bodyweight)
10x40 Cable Crunch
10x135 angled calf raise
60s rest/circuit, finished the entire workout in around 17 minutes. Any ideas where I should start my official entry? Max DL is/was 405 a few months ago, and I think I could squeeze another 5 on there on a good day.
dejavued Wed, September 23rd, 2009, 02:09 PM Any ideas where I should start my official entry?
i'd say give level 3 a shot and see what kinda progress you can make doing that level three times. :tucool:
of course you can start lower and go for more reps.
or higher. doesn't matter....
as zen would say...
My experience is that it works about the same either way once you get enough effort so that you are cardio limited. So do what strikes your fancy.
zenpharaohs Thu, October 1st, 2009, 07:09 PM Trap bar deadlift for time (hooks): (11,7,6,6,5,5)x410# in 9:48
That's 40 reps @ 410# in under ten minutes.
These were at 1.78xbodyweight, so these were level 4.
EDIT: I just checked and this is a rate of 100,408 pounds per hour. I had a goal of 100,000 pounds per hour over ten minutes, which requires 16,667# in 10 minutes. Missed by 267# - had I thought it through in advance I would have tried to pull one more in the remaining 12 seconds.
NCNBilly Mon, October 5th, 2009, 04:45 PM Offical entry:
1.5xbw (178) = 240lbs
50 @ 8:39
55 @ 10:00
Grip was the biggest limiter, I decided not to use straps or hooks, just a mixed grip. I'm sweating like a pig. :)
PlainGreyT Mon, October 5th, 2009, 05:53 PM Offical entry:
1.5xbw (178) = 240lbs
50 @ 8:39
55 @ 10:00
Grip was the biggest limiter, I decided not to use straps or hooks, just a mixed grip. I'm sweating like a pig. :)
Wow, nice pulling Billy :)
NCNBilly Tue, October 6th, 2009, 08:23 AM Wow, nice pulling Billy :)
Thanks, I'm going to try for level 4 next week. :scared:
zenpharaohs Tue, October 6th, 2009, 10:29 AM Offical entry:
1.5xbw (178) = 240lbs
50 @ 8:39
55 @ 10:00
Grip was the biggest limiter, I decided not to use straps or hooks, just a mixed grip. I'm sweating like a pig. :)
50x240# in 8:39 is quite good. Getting only 5 in the next 81 seconds suggests how gassed you must have been from going hard during the first 50 reps. It's amazing how much harder the last reps are compared to the first reps in timed deadlifts.
NCNBilly Tue, October 6th, 2009, 11:20 AM 50x240# in 8:39 is quite good. Getting only 5 in the next 81 seconds suggests how gassed you must have been from going hard during the first 50 reps. It's amazing how much harder the last reps are compared to the first reps in timed deadlifts.
Yeah, I was a little disappointed. I was doing sets of 7 at a pretty good clip. My goal was to hit 6 sets of 7 and a set of 8, but I did more like:
7,7,7,7,8,6,4,4,5
I intended only to stop long enough after I hit 50 to jot the number down, but ended up taking too long to get set. I think I was still more grip limited than cardio. I'll probably do level 4 with straps.
Will13 Tue, October 6th, 2009, 12:17 PM I didn't post my timed deadlift work last week as it has fallen out of the standard format in here...but hey, it is still timed and it is still deadlifting so....
My current programme is all timed and is all supersetted for 15 minutes. Deadlift has fallen in with DB front raises (although I'm changing that up next week as they put too much strain on the lower back in the supposed rest period from DL)
Anyway....last week I got BW (105kg) x 50 in 15 mins - I'm limited to 5 reps per superset.
Today I hit 52 reps on 105kg (BW)
Will13 Tue, October 13th, 2009, 02:22 PM 105kg x 65 @ level 2 in 15.00 (limited to 5 reps per set as working with a buddy) - 13 more than last week - time to up the weight and lose the buddy, I was still repping pretty smoothly at the end - think I'll revert back to 10 mins for DL as well.
NCNBilly Mon, October 19th, 2009, 04:49 PM Wow, humbling.
1.75 * BW
22x315 @ 10:00
I was hoping in the 30s. Oh well, next time.. :)
dejavued Mon, October 19th, 2009, 04:55 PM Wow, humbling.
1.75 * BW
22x315 @ 10:00
I was hoping in the 30s. Oh well, next time.. :)
nice work! i think u'll be surprised by how many more you get next time. :nod:
bet that gives ya a nice appetite tonight too. :tucool:
NCNBilly Mon, October 19th, 2009, 08:31 PM nice work! i think u'll be surprised by how many more you get next time. :nod:
bet that gives ya a nice appetite tonight too. :tucool:
Thanks... I was running late since I had to pick up the baby, lift, eat, shower, and teach pipe lessons then pipe practice. I managed to slam a shake w/oats, but I really should eat another meal..
zenpharaohs Mon, October 19th, 2009, 09:11 PM nice work! i think u'll be surprised by how many more you get next time. :nod:
:nod:
Will13 Sat, October 24th, 2009, 08:51 AM 61 reps x 105kg (level 2) in 10:00
I need to stop messing about and up that to level 3 next time out, I need to get my DL max shifting up - all that 'strength test' banter in the 'Weights' forum has woken me up - my bench is not all that far off 1.5 x BW, I reckon I'll be there after my next 5x5 stint but my DL is only just ahead of it....a 250kg Deadlift seems absolutely impossible - to be honest I have no intention of ever getting there but 180 - 200 is worth chasing.
zenpharaohs Sun, November 1st, 2009, 05:45 PM Today's fun:
Trap bar deadlifts for speed (hooks): 4x15x320#
I wasn't able to strictly time it but it was about 9:30.
zenpharaohs Wed, November 4th, 2009, 06:02 PM Trap bar deadlift (hooks) for time: 8x3x500#
A little over nine minutes.
zenpharaohs Wed, December 23rd, 2009, 09:56 PM Trap bar deadlift (hooks): 14x5x410# in 20 minutes
zenpharaohs Wed, February 24th, 2010, 02:57 PM Trap bar deadlift (hooks): 5x10x410# in 19:00
I made the sets longer but I handled them reasonably well. I might try and get routine sets of 15 next.
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