So the new VDiet got released on T-nation today or yesterday dont remember so i figure i link it Since i know members have used it before.
http://www.t-nation.com/programs/vdiet30/vDietProgram000.jsp

I looked at it and it seemed very interesting but when it calculated the price for the supplements it was 550 dollar way to much for my blood.
I was wondering is there anything else like the "VDiet" meaning a regimented diet routine such as that but that uses food instead supplements. I dont doubt it works but I don't want to pay that much.

To be blunt: Puke in my mouth this is kinda stupid.

It's one big lie. They're selling their supplements.

You can get some protein, creatine, glutamine and fish oil for $100-$150/month and eat clean and do just as well if you lift hard and heavy.

*EDIT* - I should also add that it's a CROCK that you can't complete a body transformation without supplements. That's just a lie.

People have transformed themselves for centuries and such a long time ago they didn't have supplements. They ate clean and did the exercise and it worked.

To be blunt: Puke in my mouth this is kinda stupid.

It's one big lie. They're selling their supplements.

You can get some protein, creatine, glutamine and fish oil for $100-$150/month and eat clean and do just as well if you lift hard and heavy.

*EDIT* - I should also add that it's a CROCK that you can't complete a body transformation without supplements. That's just a lie.

People have transformed themselves for centuries and such a long time ago they didn't have supplements. They ate clean and did the exercise and it worked.

:lol:

I think you are a little too worked up about this.

The V-diet is extreme. But it's worked for many people. Several on this board.

But yes, it's not the only option, and I'd not even recommend it for beginners and it does not seem to me to teach good eating habits. Even T-nation is full of other articles about other eating styles for transformation.

As for the cost of the supps, you have to offset that by the fact that that's all you eat for the month (outside of the one solid meal a week). So subtract your regular food budget for a month from the supps to get the true cost.

Would I ever do v-diet? Nope. But it's not evil and nobody is saying it's the only way, including t-nation.

You really think this isn't something to get worked up about?

The issue is people do this, their body freaks out and then they go to a normal diet and their body will panic again. That's just evolution. THey'll gain all the fat back.

Well thats why the routine has the 2 transition weeks after the diet to slowly ease you back into eating solid foods

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As for the cost of the supps, you have to offset that by the fact that that's all you eat for the month (outside of the one solid meal a week). So subtract your regular food budget for a month from the supps to get the true cost. ...

Well the thing is thats the price it is to feed one person 600 bucks vs buying foods which you can share with your family etc. IMO i think its a weak sell on their part saying that "its basically how much you spend in a month on food". Doesn't Justify the price but o well.

You really think this isn't something to get worked up about?

The issue is people do this, their body freaks out and then they go to a normal diet and their body will panic again. That's just evolution. THey'll gain all the fat back.

How much have you actually read about the V-diet? There is a plan to come off of it that takes that into account.

Well the thing is thats the price it is to feed one person 600 bucks vs buying foods which you can share with your family etc. IMO i think its a weak sell on their part saying that "its basically how much you spend in a month on food". Doesn't Justify the price but o well.

What family? :D

It doesn't completely offset the price, but it does make it a bit more realistic. Additionally, people around here that have done it with success have used non-Biotest supps. The main thing there is to make sure you use a protein with a lot of casein and not a straight whey. That is important to slow digestion.

How much have you actually read about the V-diet? There is a plan to come off of it that takes that into account.



What family? :D

It doesn't completely offset the price, but it does make it a bit more realistic. Additionally, people around here that have done it with success have used non-Biotest supps. The main thing there is to make sure you use a protein with a lot of casein and not a straight whey. That is important to slow digestion.

Plus you don't need surge (sub with protein & dextrose), leucine or hot rox. The only supplement they list that is IMO necessary is fish oil, of which there are cheaper brands than Flameout.

Does anybody have link to the old V-Diet? I heard it was ALOT cheaper.

It doesn't look like it's much different to me... Just in a nice automated tool.

Well, the first one Shugart did using a whey only product and it had way fewer supplements in there.

EDIT: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_diet_mass/the_velocity_diet

Well, the first one Shugart did using a whey only product and it had way fewer supplements in there. I think it really was just whey, peanut butter, flax oil and a fiber supplement, but I don't remember the details and I think they took down the articles.


I thought it was always Low Carb Metabolic Drive (or actually one of the other names for the same product before they rebranded it about 3x). Low Carb Grow sounds right...

I thought Velocity came out before Biotest even had a whey only product, but I could be wrong. :confused:

But yeah, the stuff you can leave out are the fat burners specifically.

I thought it was always Low Carb Metabolic Drive (or actually one of the other names for the same product before they rebranded it about 3x). Low Carb Grow sounds right..

Yeah, my bad. You can see I haven't spent much time resarching or thinking about the Velocity Diet :D.

Yeah, my bad. You can see I haven't spent much time resarching or thinking about the Velocity Diet :D.

The original is here (http://www.t-nation.com/article/diet_and_nutrition/the_velocity_diet&cr=). And I was right about the name of their blended protein :)

The original is here (http://www.t-nation.com/article/diet_and_nutrition/the_velocity_diet&cr=). And I was right about the name of their blended protein :)

I edited my post while you were off tracking down the article :D.

As for the diet, I think it's primarily a gimmick. I think the majority of the weight lost is water and waste because you just don't eat solid food for four weeks. I know people have had success with it but if you want to starve yourself and be miserable there are other, cheaper options, like Lyle McDonald's Rapid Fat Loss program for one. There is nothing revolutionary about the Velocity Diet, in my opinion. The claims made by Shugart and others are exaggerated and just not true. We've had some pretty amazing transformations (http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showthread.php?t=40236) right here at JSF that didn't rely on drastic measures and supplements to get to where they wanted to be.

Well the thing about why the Velocity diet is that it is 28 days long. And apperntly customers lose 20 or more pounds. AND this is a really big AND all while losing little to no muscle mass.

As for the supplements i dont know if their good or not. Because it seems as though the forums are monitored for bad-mouthing their product or any complaints.

Well the thing about why the Velocity diet is that it is 28 days long. And apperntly customers lose 20 or more pounds. AND this is a really big AND all while losing little to no muscle mass.

As for the supplements i dont know if their good or not. Because it seems as though the forums are monitored for bad-mouthing their product or any complaints.


I've seen a lot of negative things at times over there about certain biotest products, including personal negative results. I wouldn't say they don't moderate some, but they don't lock everything down (or at least they didn't in the past when I used to read them more).

Maybe things have changed.

You really think this isn't something to get worked up about?

The issue is people do this, their body freaks out and then they go to a normal diet and their body will panic again. That's just evolution. THey'll gain all the fat back.

People do this kind of stuff all the time. Plug "diets" into google and all kinds of weird shizz will come up. I'm not a fan of T-Nation so I can't say much about them, but this "lose weight fast" nonsense has been around for a very long time. Some people learn from it, some people don't.

We have people roll through here all the time asking about how they can drop 20-50 lbs in the shortest amount of time possible. The snarkfest begins almost immediately with "advice" such as "Cut off your leg and you'll drop a few pounds." *shrugs*

I've been thinking of getting a copy of The Rapid Fat Loss Manual from Lyle McDonald, anyone ever have a look at it?

I like his stuff alot, seems to be very unbias.

To be blunt: Puke in my mouth this is kinda stupid.

It's one big lie. They're selling their supplements.

You can get some protein, creatine, glutamine and fish oil for $100-$150/month and eat clean and do just as well if you lift hard and heavy.

*EDIT* - I should also add that it's a CROCK that you can't complete a body transformation without supplements. That's just a lie.

People have transformed themselves for centuries and such a long time ago they didn't have supplements. They ate clean and did the exercise and it worked.

For the most part, I agree with you here.

There is def. some great information on t-nation and some awesome articles...but I hate how much they push their supplements. They are really nothing more than a glorified Flex-magazine. Practically every article i've read has made some reference to metabolic drive or surge or some other crap that they're trying to peddle.

I absolutely agree that the Vdiet is sheer stupidity. If you want to make long-term, lasting changes...you have to learn how to eat healthy and make the proper lifestyle changes using real food. You're better off taking those 30 days (or however long the Vdiet is) to establish some healthy long-term dietary habits, rather than shoving flax seeds, pills, and powders down your throat, only to realize that after the 30 days are up, you still have to establish those long-term dietary habits anyway.

:lol:

I think you are a little too worked up about this.

The V-diet is extreme. But it's worked for many people. Several on this board.

But yes, it's not the only option, and I'd not even recommend it for beginners and it does not seem to me to teach good eating habits. Even T-nation is full of other articles about other eating styles for transformation.

As for the cost of the supps, you have to offset that by the fact that that's all you eat for the month (outside of the one solid meal a week). So subtract your regular food budget for a month from the supps to get the true cost.

Would I ever do v-diet? Nope. But it's not evil and nobody is saying it's the only way, including t-nation.

Yeah the amount of money that u have to spend on supplements is offset by the amount you're NOT paying for food. So, from a financial standpoint, it's not expensive to the individual if it is followed exactly as stated. HOWEVER, it is still a great marketing ploy designed to allow t-nation to sell more of their supplements. The point of speedster's argument was that the purpose of the Vdiet is for T-nation to sell more of their supplements. And he's correct. Even if ur total food bill is the same or even goes down, you're still funneling money into t-nation's supplement business instead of the grocery store, which is the whole point.

You really think this isn't something to get worked up about?

The issue is people do this, their body freaks out and then they go to a normal diet and their body will panic again. That's just evolution. THey'll gain all the fat back.

A couple years ago I had a training partner that did the V-diet. It actually worked very well for him. He dropped a substantial amount of weight, and really didn't lose all that much muscle. He did gain back a little weight when he went back to a more normal diet, but he was able to keep most of it off. I was pretty impressed with the V-diet.

Yeah the amount of money that u have to spend on supplements is offset by the amount you're NOT paying for food. So, from a financial standpoint, it's not expensive to the individual if it is followed exactly as stated. HOWEVER, it is still a great marketing ploy designed to allow t-nation to sell more of their supplements. The point of speedster's argument was that the purpose of the Vdiet is for T-nation to sell more of their supplements. And he's correct. Even if ur total food bill is the same or even goes down, you're still funneling money into t-nation's supplement business instead of the grocery store, which is the whole point.


I don't think any of the people I've read here at JSF that have done it have even used Biotest products, though. Most here roll their own supplements from ATL or trueprotein.com.


While t-nation does include lots of product stuff in their articles, I don't know of anywhere on the net that has a better pool of knowledgeable writers that you don't have to pay for. Most of us can see through the marketing to the good info. I'm sure some can't, but I still appreciate a lot of good things I've learned over there.

It's a "free" for a reason.

I've been thinking of getting a copy of The Rapid Fat Loss Manual from Lyle McDonald, anyone ever have a look at it?

I like his stuff alot, seems to be very unbias.

I got this book folks.

Very interesting read, really like the stuff on flexible eating.

Well worth the money.