My question is - How much should I be paying for HGH and test cream?

At the direction of my Dr. I called a few places locally & I have listed the best price I could find.

$550 inital consult which includes test cream and Labs "but not the omnitrope" (I have already completed the labs on my own but this didnt matter regarding the price.)

If I follow through with my appointment this Friday I will be out of pocket aprox $1,000 to get started.

Monthly fees after the inital consult are as follows:

$125/month admin fee - Is this an FU pay me fee or normal?
$195 for 17.4iu of Omnitrope - The guy I talked too recomended 1.5 iu/day 5 days on 2 off based on my IGF-1 # of 234
$40/month for test cream I think he said 10% strength - Total test is 408 and free is .36


Are these prices decent? I called another place locally and they were even higher in price.

I tried searching the forum for prices ect and couldnt find anything.

My question is - How much should I be paying for HGH and test cream?

At the direction of my Dr. I called a few places locally & I have listed the best price I could find.

$550 inital consult which includes test cream and Labs "but not the omnitrope" (I have already completed the labs on my own but this didnt matter regarding the price.)

If I follow through with my appointment this Friday I will be out of pocket aprox $1,000 to get started.

Monthly fees after the inital consult are as follows:

$125/month admin fee - Is this an FU pay me fee or normal?
$195 for 17.4iu of Omnitrope - The guy I talked too recomended 1.5 iu/day 5 days on 2 off based on my IGF-1 # of 234
$40/month for test cream I think he said 10% strength - Total test is 408 and free is .36


Are these prices decent? I called another place locally and they were even higher in price.

I tried searching the forum for prices ect and couldnt find anything.

Sorry to be butting in but do you need it for medical purposes or alternativly?

My question is - How much should I be paying for HGH and test cream?

At the direction of my Dr. I called a few places locally & I have listed the best price I could find.

$550 inital consult which includes test cream and Labs "but not the omnitrope" (I have already completed the labs on my own but this didnt matter regarding the price.)

If I follow through with my appointment this Friday I will be out of pocket aprox $1,000 to get started.

Monthly fees after the inital consult are as follows:

$125/month admin fee - Is this an FU pay me fee or normal?
$195 for 17.4iu of Omnitrope - The guy I talked too recomended 1.5 iu/day 5 days on 2 off based on my IGF-1 # of 234
$40/month for test cream I think he said 10% strength - Total test is 408 and free is .36


Are these prices decent? I called another place locally and they were even higher in price.

I tried searching the forum for prices ect and couldnt find anything.

Are you covered by insurance? I generally have paid $30-$80 per month after coverage from Testim and Androgel scripts. I think without insurance they would be $200-$300/month.

I don't understand the monthly fees. Is this some kind of life extension clinc or something? I've heard of those types of fees from clinics like that that do a lot of hormonal therapy.

Are you covered by insurance? I generally have paid $30-$80 per month after coverage from Testim and Androgel scripts. I think without insurance they would be $200-$300/month.

I don't understand the monthly fees. Is this some kind of life extension clinic or something? I've heard of those types of fees from clinics like that that do a lot of hormonal therapy.

I do have insurance but recently switched from a PPO to a high deduct with an HSA to pay for the HGH on a pre tax basis due to insurances not being willing to cover it unless it's for dwarfism or in some pediatric cases.

As far as the test cream - I looked into Androgel but I believe the strength was around 1% where as the others that have been recommended by the Dr's at are 10-20%

All Dr's I have spoken with said that the results from Androgel were nil and almost ineffective.

There are Dr's in my area that do prescribe HGH and also a few clinics.

Based on my lab results I have had no resistance from either a Dr or a Dr at a clinic to issue a script for either HGH & test.

The difference seems to be price from place to place as the recommendations & products have been all the same.

It seems as though this is a high $$ commitment so I want to make sure I am getting the best deal. For instance one place I called was going to cost me approx $1,000/month where as same products at the one I list above works out to be around $400/month or so after the initial consult.

I do have insurance but recently switched from a PPO to a high deduct with an HSA to pay for the HGH on a pre tax basis due to insurances not being willing to cover it unless it's for dwarfism or in some pediatric cases.

As far as the test cream - I looked into Androgel but I believe the strength was around 1% where as the others that have been recommended by the Dr's at are 10-20%

All Dr's I have spoken with said that the results from Androgel were nil and almost ineffective.

That's just not true. Lots have good luck on it. It took my numbers from 200s to 900s initially. However, over a year effectiveness dropped. I switched to Testim and again saw the increase back to good numbers, but it's declining, too.

I suspect to stay at consistent levels I will need to go to injections. Probably will do that in a couple of months.

That's just not true. Lots have good luck on it. It took my numbers from 200s to 900s initially. However, over a year effectiveness dropped. I switched to Testim and again saw the increase back to good numbers, but it's declining, too.

I suspect to stay at consistent levels I will need to go to injections. Probably will do that in a couple of months.

Whats the strength of the cream? 1% or?

I hear the injections are painful!!

Whats the strength of the cream? 1% or?

1%. But what does that matter if the quantity is correct to get your numbers where they should be?

I think transdermals in general some people tend to lose effectiveness over time. Not for everybody, but many I see reading around the web have had similar results. That's what you should be concerned about IMO, not what % the gel is. If it's more concentrated, you probably use less but have higher risk of skin reactions.

I hear the injections are painful!!I have been stuck so much over the last 3 years I doubt I'll mind at all. After having a porta-cath for chemo, or having a bone marrow draw from my hip bone, I can handle about anything.

I have also had to inject myself before already during chemo on weekends, so I know I'm not squemish.

humatrope , or saizen, through a pharmacy is 250 per 5ml or 15 iu. and is covered through extended health. androgel...... you would need to tale a bath in it to be of any use.. try andriol cap instead..

Are you covered by insurance? I generally have paid $30-$80 per month after coverage from Testim and Androgel scripts. I think without insurance they would be $200-$300/month.

I don't understand the monthly fees. Is this some kind of life extension clinc or something? I've heard of those types of fees from clinics like that that do a lot of hormonal therapy.


Well, I have decided to move forward - I'm going with a local clinic here in Tampa.

The Depo Test cream & HGH it's going to cost me $515/month

This is after a long drawn painful & frustrating amount of research is the best price I could find.

If interested I will let you know the results....

why not ask your doctor about andriol caps?? easier than cream/gel ......smaller doses of hgh take am only, if you up the dose at all ,split am and late afternoon/early evening...



Well, I have decided to move forward - I'm going with a local clinic here in Tampa.

The Depo Test cream & HGH it's going to cost me $515/month

This is after a long drawn painful & frustrating amount of research is the best price I could find.

If interested I will let you know the results....

oh and btw..... serono who makes saizen brand has a needleless injection system , called the ' cool click ' or a newer device called the' easypod'

oh and btw..... serono who makes saizen brand has a needleless injection system , called the ' cool click ' or a newer device called the' easypod'
Are you taking HGH?

Needlelss injection almost sounds like an oxymoron lol How woud that work?

I have seen the pen which seems to be more convenient but at a bigger price too.

the cool click is free from serono, you mix in the vial you draw from, draw desired amount , place against skin ( belly ) and push the button..
Are you taking HGH?

Needlelss injection almost sounds like an oxymoron lol How woud that work?

I have seen the pen which seems to be more convenient but at a bigger price too.

the cool click is free from serono, you mix in the vial you draw from, draw desired amount , place against skin ( belly ) and push the button..

Interesting...I am going to meet with the Dr today so I will see what the options are although I am still leaning toward the Omnitrope as I have heard great things about it.

I have decided to go with the testosterone injections (200 mg/cc Testosterone Cypionate) rather than the cream. The injections are once a week as opposed to a cream daily for less cost so it makes sense.

I have decided to go with the testosterone injections (200 mg/cc Testosterone Cypionate) rather than the cream. The injections are once a week as opposed to a cream daily for less cost so it makes sense.

I'm most likely going to switch to that, too. However, I'm not sure that dosage isn't a bit high. My memory might be bad, but I think that was the dose I talked with my Dr about every other other week (which I didn't want to do). We would have halved that for weekly.

Everybody's different, though.

I'm most likely going to switch to that, too. However, I'm not sure that dosage isn't a bit high. My memory might be bad, but I think that was the dose I talked with my Dr about every other other week (which I didn't want to do). We would have halved that for weekly.

Everybody's different, though.

I met with the Dr today and I will be starting the injections of HGH & Test tomorrow.

He recommended the test based on my levels of total test at 408 & free test of .36

I have to say I am a bit nervous about both the HGH & Test injections. Maybe because I have never done anything like this. After all this isn't like I'm switching protein or multi vitamins HAHA

I plan to try it for 3-6 months and see how I react/feel.

He recommended the test based on my levels of total test at 408 & free test of .36


You're getting injections with a test level of 408? Not sure what the .36 means on the free test (do you have the reference range?)....but, 408 isn't really all that low. IMO, you might consider other ways of boosting test naturally (diet, recovery, etc.) before going the injection route. You may find that if you do the injections for a period of time, your natural levels won't come back and you are essentially forced to be on HRT for life.

You're getting injections with a test level of 408? Not sure what the .36 means on the free test (do you have the reference range?)....but, 408 isn't really all that low. IMO, you might consider other ways of boosting test naturally (diet, recovery, etc.) before going the injection route. You may find that if you do the injections for a period of time, your natural levels won't come back and you are essentially forced to be on HRT for life.


Damn straight. I got driven here by the chemo bus, but my levels were in the 200s to start. 400 is midrange, but it's really the bioavailable number that you need to look at.

I would think long and hard about starting this if I was midrange.

You're getting injections with a test level of 408? Not sure what the .36 means on the free test (do you have the reference range?)....but, 408 isn't really all that low. IMO, you might consider other ways of boosting test naturally (diet, recovery, etc.) before going the injection route. You may find that if you do the injections for a period of time, your natural levels won't come back and you are essentially forced to be on HRT for life.

IGF-1 was low @234 - as for the testosterone optimal is said to be 900+ for total and my free test was on the low end of normal as well at .32

Based on:

Reference range and Optimal levels:

Testosterone: 350-1400 Optimal 900+
HGH: 114-492 Optimal 350+
This is a bit more than I ever thought I would spend on any type of "supplements" I used to think I was paying to much spending $100/month from the stuff at the vitamin shop LOL

IGF-1 was low @234 - as for the testosterone optimal is said to be 900+ for total and my free test was on the low end of normal as well at .32

Based on:

Reference range and Optimal levels:

Testosterone: 350-1400 Optimal 900+
HGH: 114-492 Optimal 350+
This is a bit more than I ever thought I would spend on any type of "supplements" I used to think I was paying to much spending $100/month from the stuff at the vitamin shop LOL

Well, I don't think it is very common, even for 18 year olds to be in the 900+ range. Of the half dozen people I know who've had their levels tested, none have really been in the 900+ range. In fact, according to one analysis, optimal was between 400-600 (see linked article below). Another thing to keep in mind is that test levels vary widely throughout the day, so if you tested borderline at one time, you might be well within the normal range if you tested at another time. Levels are usually highest in the morning. Not trying to give you crap or anything ... Just want warn you that unless you are having serious symptoms of low test, you might reconsider whether to do the whole injection thing.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=51013

Damn straight. I got driven here by the chemo bus, but my levels were in the 200s to start. 400 is midrange, but it's really the bioavailable number that you need to look at.

I would think long and hard about starting this if I was midrange.

Yeah, 200's is in the basement for sure -- but yeah, you are right about the bioavailable test. That is actually more important than total T.

Well,

I am on the 5th day of injections.

The testosterone wasn't as painful as some made it out to be. Not that it felt good but not painful at all. It just a slowww injection. The most difficult part for me was drawing it into the syringe. I am doing 1cc every 7 days

The HGH is delivered via insulin needle every night prior to bed - hardly feel it at all. This is a quick painless injection. I may be a bit odd as I look forward to it haha!

So far so good :tucool:

Dont want to sound nooby,but how does one conclude they need HGH and or HRT? Does one need to acquire a defiency in Test? or do they just know they dont produce enough or ?

Dont want to sound nooby,but how does one conclude they need HGH and or HRT? Does one need to acquire a defiency in Test? or do they just know they dont produce enough or ?


If you are having symptoms, you need to see a doctor and get some blood work done. You might need an endocrinologist if your doctor does not know much about it. Even those these days seem to be more focused on stuff like diabetes, so you may have to find look around for doctors who know this type of stuff.

There are a lot of "life extension" clinics that are doing a lot of HRT work these days outside of typical medical practices. I'd use those as a last resort myself, but you have to weigh your symptoms against the cost and difficulty of getting proper care.

If you are having symptoms, you need to see a doctor and get some blood work done. You might need an endocrinologist if your doctor does not know much about it. Even those these days seem to be more focused on stuff like diabetes, so you may have to find look around for doctors who know this type of stuff.

There are a lot of "life extension" clinics that are doing a lot of HRT work these days outside of typical medical practices. I'd use those as a last resort myself, but you have to weigh your symptoms against the cost and difficulty of getting proper care.

No Im not suggesting Im showing symptoms or anything, just I want to know how one actually knows if they need this stuff, Recently I see alot of guys who are apparently showing the symptoms of low levels of test, yet as it happens they work out and desire to get bigger. Maybe some of these people dont actually need the hgh at all and just need to focus on their diet and rest in oppose to paying exorbinant amounts of cash and or harming themselves in the aim to get a little bigger.

No Im not suggesting Im showing symptoms or anything, just I want to know how one actually knows if they need this stuff, Recently I see alot of guys who are apparently showing the symptoms of low levels of test, yet as it happens they work out and desire to get bigger. Maybe some of these people dont actually need the hgh at all and just need to focus on their diet and rest in oppose to paying exorbinant amounts of cash and or harming themselves in the aim to get a little bigger.


To get the stuff, they need to show low numbers or find doctors willing to stretch the rules and prescribe anyway. In my experience with TRT, the opposite is more likely to be the case. It seems doctors are fine giving women estrogen but there is something that prejudices them against prescribing T.

Maybe it's just more of society's direction of emasculating men ;) :D

It seems doctors are fine giving women estrogen but there is something that prejudices them against prescribing T.


There are probably a couple of different reasons for this though:

1) Women have a very sharp and unambiguous drop in hormone levels starting at menopause. For men, it is much more gradual, and given the wide range of normal values, it is more difficult to tell when men are physiologically low.

2) Alot of guys might not have genuine symptoms of low T, but rather, they want "HRT" as a means to do a mild steroid cycle to gain muscle.

There are probably a couple of different reasons for this though:

1) Women have a very sharp and unambiguous drop in hormone levels starting at menopause. For men, it is much more gradual, and given the wide range of normal values, it is more difficult to tell when men are physiologically low.

It wasn't that gradual with me, and I still had to jump through a few hoops. Not too bad because of my obvious history.

2) Alot of guys might not have genuine symptoms of low T, but rather, they want "HRT" as a means to do a mild steroid cycle to gain muscle.There is some of this going on I am certain. But if you've got low to mid numbers and have associated symptoms, it shouldn't be so hard for many men. You should at least be allowed to try HRT to see if it works.

If you are wanting a cycle of steriods, the clinical prescriptions aren't enough for the results many would want I'm afraid. So guys that go this route I'd say are disappointed.

A lot of doctors are uneducated and would prefer to treat the symptoms instead of the cause. I wonder for instance how much Viagra is used when the real problem is low T? Etc.

Good point mannish, but if the guys who go that route actually have a good number of Test, Im sure that additional TRT would increase growth somewhat?

It wasn't that gradual with me, and I still had to jump through a few hoops. Not too bad because of my obvious history.


Well, in your case, it would be a travesty if the doctor made it difficult for you....as it is pretty clear that you need HRT.


There is some of this going on I am certain. But if you've got low to mid numbers and have associated symptoms, it shouldn't be so hard for many men. You should at least be allowed to try HRT to see if it works.

If you are wanting a cycle of steriods, the clinical prescriptions aren't enough for the results many would want I'm afraid. So guys that go this route I'd say are disappointed.

Yeah, I see what you are saying. One thing I notice though, is that alot of guys I know on HRT, routinely have test levels up in the 1400+ range, and they want to keep them in that range. That is double what is needed for HRT. I'm also pretty surprised about how, on other boards, there are so many guys under 40 who are on HRT. Seems like between 1/3 and half are either on, or want to be on. I guess I can understand the skepticism a doctor might have when a young, muscular guy, who obviously weight trains heavily, walks into the office with essentially normal values, and complains of "low test symptoms".

A lot of doctors are uneducated and would prefer to treat the symptoms instead of the cause. I wonder for instance how much Viagra is used when the real problem is low T? Etc.

That is a good point -- In many cases, this is due to heart disease, but certainly low test should be explored as an option.

Good point mannish, but if the guys who go that route actually have a good number of Test, Im sure that additional TRT would increase growth somewhat?

Depends on what they use. Stuff like the transdermals make it hard to get really high. Injections? Yeah. You can get a high T number there.

Well,

I am almost 30days into the HRT therapy and the only thing that's leaner (I think) is my wallet!!

I have gained 10+lbs and I can't believe that can be all muscle??

My regimen is as follows:

1.8iu of Omnitrope HGH/day
1cc of test cyp each week

My diet in the last 30days has been cleaner than before I started so I don't think its that.

I have emailed the Dr for an explanation but was curious if any of you have any ideas?

Well,

I am almost 30days into the HRT therapy and the only thing that's leaner (I think) is my wallet!!

I have gained 10+lbs and I can't believe that can be all muscle??

My regimen is as follows:

1.8iu of Omnitrope HGH/day
1cc of test cyp each week

My diet in the last 30days has been cleaner than before I started so I don't think its that.

I have emailed the Dr for an explanation but was curious if any of you have any ideas?

Even more important, do you FEEL better? That seems to be one of the things that indicate HRT is doing its job.

As far as muscle gains go, from what I've read, it takes awhile for test cyp to "kick in" and produce noticeable gains, which is why most guys who run cycles with it go for 8-12 weeks. Just give it some time.

Well,

I am almost 30days into the HRT therapy and the only thing that's leaner (I think) is my wallet!!

I have gained 10+lbs and I can't believe that can be all muscle??

My regimen is as follows:

1.8iu of Omnitrope HGH/day
1cc of test cyp each week

My diet in the last 30days has been cleaner than before I started so I don't think its that.

I have emailed the Dr for an explanation but was curious if any of you have any ideas?

I started on Test Cyp HRT about 8 weeks ago at 100mg week, and to be honest I'm now only just feeling it that we've gone to 100 mg twice weekly. I'd feel very little from one shot per week, but now that I'm 2x things are going very well. FYI, I too had a 10 lb increase within the first month, but I know it wasn't muscle. Doc said it was due to an increase in appetite, but that never happened either.

I started on Test Cyp HRT about 8 weeks ago at 100mg week, and to be honest I'm now only just feeling it that we've gone to 100 mg twice weekly. I'd feel very little from one shot per week, but now that I'm 2x things are going very well. FYI, I too had a 10 lb increase within the first month, but I know it wasn't muscle. Doc said it was due to an increase in appetite, but that never happened either.
Did the weight gain even itself out? How is your progress now?

Did the weight gain even itself out? How is your progress now?

I would say I lost about 3 of the lbs., but filling out very nicely. My last workout on Saturday was incredible, felt like I did when I was back in my 20's. My total test before was high 300's, now it's low 500's and free test is coming up as well. I felt like total crap 8 weeks ago, so I'm very pleased. I do need to watch my E2 though as it's up as well. I plan on getting some Arimidex even though my doc thinks high E is ok with High T (from what I'm reading most do!). He said whenever I'm ready for HGH he would write it for me as my levels were low on that too. Ready as in "can afford it".

I would say I lost about 3 of the lbs., but filling out very nicely. My last workout on Saturday was incredible, felt like I did when I was back in my 20's. My total test before was high 300's, now it's low 500's and free test is coming up as well. I felt like total crap 8 weeks ago, so I'm very pleased. I do need to watch my E2 though as it's up as well. I plan on getting some Arimidex even though my doc thinks high E is ok with High T (from what I'm reading most do!). He said whenever I'm ready for HGH he would write it for me as my levels were low on that too. Ready as in "can afford it".

I am actually thinking of pulling the plug on the whole shooting match. Not that I am disapointed by no progress 30days in but it's the going backwards that is frustrating me to no end.

I guess the fact I am spending about $800/month on this stuff and degressing rather than any sign of progress is adding to the mix as well.

I have noticed I have aquired a bit of a temper but that maybe because I am upset with the fact I have gained weight and am out $1,000's

I have a meeting with the Dr this Friday but may change it to eariler in the week or just cancel it and stop this stuff all together! :bang:

I am actually thinking of pulling the plug on the whole shooting match. Not that I am disapointed by no progress 30days in but it's the going backwards that is frustrating me to no end.

I guess the fact I am spending about $800/month on this stuff and degressing rather than any sign of progress is adding to the mix as well.

I have noticed I have aquired a bit of a temper but that maybe because I am upset with the fact I have gained weight and am out $1,000's

I have a meeting with the Dr this Friday but may change it to eariler in the week or just cancel it and stop this stuff all together! :bang:

You may want to consider just dropping the GH. I'm paying roughly $60 for an 8 week supply of test cyp plus doc fees, so just doing cyp should save you money. Also you might want to consider splitting up your shots to twice weekly, as well as at least waiting until your next blood work. Did you get Estrodial checked? If that's high, it doesn't matter where you put your total levels you'll still feel like crap.

Good luck!

I would bet that a major portion of your increase would be water, due to the hgh. also do you have any signs of cts ?? with the amount of hgh you are using you might not notice that..Well,

I am almost 30days into the HRT therapy and the only thing that's leaner (I think) is my wallet!!

I have gained 10+lbs and I can't believe that can be all muscle??

My regimen is as follows:

1.8iu of Omnitrope HGH/day
1cc of test cyp each week

My diet in the last 30days has been cleaner than before I started so I don't think its that.

I have emailed the Dr for an explanation but was curious if any of you have any ideas?

I thought this is a clean board?

I thought this is a clean board?


Some of us have hormonal issues and require legal HRT.

I thought this is a clean board?

Kinda was thinking the same thing myself....

The skeptic in me tends to question peoples real motives... especially when they are built like jason is already. I know there are alot of people who legitimately need this stuff, BUT.. it's really none of my business.

Sometimes I know I'm just a little bit too cynical for my own good.

Happy Liftin'!

I would bet that a major portion of your increase would be water, due to the hgh. also do you have any signs of cts ?? with the amount of hgh you are using you might not notice that..
CTS meaning Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? If so then no. I am going to give it another 30days or so and see what happens. If I continue to keep going backwards I am throwing in the towel.

Some of us have hormonal issues and require legal HRT.

Exactly!! This is all done under Doctors supervision.

Kinda was thinking the same thing myself....

The skeptic in me tends to question peoples real motives... especially when they are built like jason is already. I know there are alot of people who legitimately need this stuff, BUT.. it's really none of my business.

Sometimes I know I'm just a little bit too cynical for my own good.

Happy Liftin'!


Doesn't matter how strong or big you are. This is a quality of life thing more than a get h00gee thing. While I know some probably abuse the system to receive legal "cycles", it is kind of insulting to be assumed to be doing so.

I got here down the joyful path called Chemotherapy. Not happy about it, but that's what it is.

yes.. i meant carpal tunnel syn..
as for quiting so soon.. give it time to see results, probably 4+ months...

oh.. keep your sodium intake very low, it will help.CTS meaning Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? If so then no. I am going to give it another 30days or so and see what happens. If I continue to keep going backwards I am throwing in the towel.

Kinda was thinking the same thing myself....

The skeptic in me tends to question peoples real motives... especially when they are built like jason is already. I know there are alot of people who legitimately need this stuff, BUT.. it's really none of my business.

Sometimes I know I'm just a little bit too cynical for my own good.

Happy Liftin'!

Don't forget as well, that it's perfectly ok for modern medicine and the public in general to accept the fact that women's hormones decline, therefore providing assistance to them, however when it comes to men it's sort of "Oh yeah, that's what happens to you guys and you'll just die earlier with no sex drive, muscle, and all kinds of other diseases".

Another note on the "clean board" comment, but you must have missed the huge "Bio-identical Hormone replacement" advertisement on the bottom of page two!

How do those ads get placed right on topic with theads?? Either way it's great marketing.

Another note on the "clean board" comment, but you must have missed the huge "Bio-identical Hormone replacement" advertisement on the bottom of page two!

How do those ads get placed right on topic with theads?? Either way it's great marketing.

That's not John signing up sponsers, that's a google contextual ad. Basically it looks at the language on the page and pics an add that has specifically been targeted toward those words.

I understand about the test;I looked onto that awhile back. I'm good at 700. Not too bad for a 45 old timer I guess.

Although the hgh interests me.

I know a kid, and the doctor who prescribes it to the kid.
He's a monster. The doc is around 70...he's on it too word has it he feels like "the kid"

I know nothing about hgh, does it have the youth effect or/and what else?

I know nothing about hgh, does it have the youth effect or/and what else?


Well, thats what the hype is all about - I will post it when and if it works or starts to work for that matter. I have been told it can take up to 4-12 months for it to "work" Thus far (5weeks in) I have seen no positive results.:mad:

save your money, dont bother....I understand about the test;I looked onto that awhile back. I'm good at 700. Not too bad for a 45 old timer I guess.

Although the hgh interests me.

I know a kid, and the doctor who prescribes it to the kid.
He's a monster. The doc is around 70...he's on it too word has it he feels like "the kid"

I know nothing about hgh, does it have the youth effect or/and what else?

save your money, dont bother....

You're probably right.:nod:

Funny Buster mentioned the CTS as that has now become an issue with the HGH - I have decided to discontinue use of it.

I emailed the Dr asking if this can be done cold turkey and hopefully it can.

The upside is that I will be saving upwards of $800/month!!

I have seen some results as far as starting too lean out but that may be because I have increased my cardio drastically. Not sure if that is the main cause or part of it could be the HGH/Test combo.:confused:

I will however continue the testosterone as it does seem to be having some positive effects.