Whats up boys. I've been lurking around this site for about a year to a year and a half and so I decided to create a name. I guess you could kind of consider me a newbie. I'm a college student from Kentucky and I want to be a little more in shape for when I go home to see friends and family. This is a little more than a month away, which is perfect!

I've done the V-Diet before with success by myself and want to start again on it next monday. This is really similar to the "Lose 3 pounds a week until August" thread, but it kind of went inactive.

I would love to get a couple guys to do it with me because this diet is pretty tough, and I feel there is nothing better than to have a couple guys doing it with me for our motivation. I know I haven't posted on here, but I have been here for quite a while and I really hope that a couple of you guys will take me seriously and jump on the wagon with me for this Christmas Cutting Challenge!

If your not aware of the diet, it is mostly an all liquid diet fueled by protein shakes. here is the link http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_diet_nutrition_bo dybuilding/the_velocity_dietVelocity Diet

I'm starting on monday and once again would love to see a couple guys do this with me. I'm really glad to be on board with John Stone Fitness!

Thanks! :D

where u at with this diet? i'm thinking of doing it for a couple weeks

If it's been 2 months, I sure as hell hope he's off it. :D

where u at with this diet? i'm thinking of doing it for a couple weeks

I stayed on it for 2 weeks and lost some good weight. I plan on starting up next monday again. It would be great to get some one on board like I hoped. Let me know if you plan on doing it. THis is a great new years resolution for me.

Some of you may find this journal interesting. A poster (1esotericguy) did the velocity diet awhile back and tracked his progress with a good amount of detail.

http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showthread.php?t=31236

im kinda sick of the amount of crap i eat and my diet needs rebalancing...im gunna give a hybrid v diet a shot starting 10/1/09

weight 153
thigh 20.5
calve 13.5
hip 32.5
belly 32
upper belly 29
chest 36.5
for arm 11
bicep cold flex 13.75

all measuresments morning

weight: 234.2

abdominal at belly button: 39"
bicep cold flex: 16"
neck: 17.25"
chest at nipples:43"
butt: 44"
middle of thigh: 24.5"
calf:17"
forearms at base:13"


for my shakes I am using GNC pro performance Whey Isolate 28 powder mixed with 1 tbsp flax seeds and cold water. I will have them 5-6 times per day depending on how I am feeling energy wise.

190 calories
60.5g fat
8g carbs
31g protein
3g fiber

I will also be taking lipo6 as in place of hot rox. I in morning, 1 in afternoon, and 1 one a day weight smart advanced multivitamin.
PWO, I will be adding 1/2 cup dry oats to by shakes making them:

340 calories
63.5g fat
35g carbs
36g protein
7g fiber

PWO shakes will only be taken after weight training days.

workouts will consist as folowing:

fasted am cardio: 45 min LISS on eliptical machine 7 days a week

3 times a week weight training in evenings. these workouts will consist of mostly body weight exercies: pushups, pullups, dips, abwork, lunges, and some free weight work such as bicep curls, squats, deadlifts, rows. they will be split up according to what I see fit. I will only be working one muscle grouping per week to maximize muscle retention and to not over work any muscles.

total on non-training days:

950 calories
302.5g fat
40g carbs
155g protein
15g fiber

total on training days:

1290 calories
366g fat
75g carbs
191g protein
22g fiber

and here we go!!:D:tu:

hey SF just looking at your calorie intake...seems rather low?? ...im at 1500 cals -1700 cals a day and my bodweight is less and im not going to do much cardio..

im gunna be revamping the diet
whey shakes in the day
for healthy fats i will be using almonds
and fibresure supplements


and i will be having 300g cottage cheese before sleeping.

it will be interesting to see how this experiment works out!! i will be suprised if i last over two weeks!! lol


day 1 over--cals consumed--1600 kcals 52protein 31%fat 17 carbs 23 g fibre

i am feeling bit hungry ...am gunna have my cottage cheese before bed and tough it out....

Workout was good today energy levels good ...will see how i feel after a few days when all the glycogen levels drop.....


good luck keep posting as its good for moral support

yeah I know it's a little low, but my job is extremely unactive, i'm sitting 95% of the time at a computer. so I dont want to be taking in too many calories than I burn. If i find myself overly exhausted, or "run down" i'll add in more calories by drinking milk, but in the meantime, we'll c what I can run on.

my day isn't quite over yet, I still have 1 regular shake to drink, workout, then my PWO shake, then bedtime. I'm going to try to stick with this diet to a tea to see where It takes me. :tu: no solid food means no solid food.

It hasn't been too bad today. a little hungry, yes, but not unbearable. I weened myself off food last week by decreasing the amount of real food, and increasing shakes throughout the day. I think this helped a LOT today. another think I do so the shakes aren't bland tasteing is add one packet of crystal light (the stuff used to flavor water) it only adds about 5 calories, and makes the shakes taste more like poweraid.

my goal is to lose 20 lbs in the time allotted. I'll post weekly progress to track inches lost, and bi-weekly photos.

keep posting as well. knowing others are going through this with you makes it harder to cheat. :nod:

Woo Hoo! Yea, I got started today and it was pretty rad. I don't feel like going over the whole diet again but I'm pretty much doing it to the T. Glad to know SirFalcon and user are doing this with me.

First Day: Starting weight 208.3

--Went really good today as usual, already kind of wanting some solid food though which is obvious, I think I am going to take SF's approach to a before bed bowl of cottage cheese. This could honestly be the difference between continuing and quitting in the beginning. Workout wise, it was great because I had quite a few cars yesterday but even though they say there is minimal energy loss, it always happens while lifting, Oh and btw, my protein is cookies and cream and it's mighty tasty right now.

Take it easy guys and good luck tomorrow SirFalcon and user786. Recap tomorrow.

PS: Sorry it's so late. I work at night and forgot to post before work.

welcome FS ...good to see 3 of us hitting this ...though mine is a hybrid version..

cottage cheese is made of milk and salt ..and if u get the low fat version it has hardly any carbs..as long as it fits in the cals and macros i dont see a prob using it...i had 300g last nite ...and i didnt wake up hungry this morning:)...

on a side note was bit constipated this morning...so am gunna increase my fibre intake by throwing in 50g of bran in my PWO shake..and keep water intake to 3-4 litres daily

will report bck 2nite on how day 2 ended.

total on non-training days:

950 calories
302.5g fat
40g carbs
155g protein
15g fiber

total on training days:

1290 calories
366g fat
75g carbs
191g protein
22g fiber

and here we go!!:D:tu:

Firstly, your caloric intake is dangerously low. You are going to wreck your metabolism like that. I strongly recommend you use the proper V-Diet formula to calculate your calorific needs and restart using those.

Secondly, something is up with the info on your fat intake there. There are 9 calories in a gram of fat, meaning that if you are eating 366g on training days, you are getting over 3000 calories from fat alone...

I realize my intake is on the low side, but like i said, my job is extremely inactive, and 1/2 of all my calories burned during a day will be burned at the gym. If i am feeling run down, i'll up the calories:tucool:

oops, haha its 60 calories from fat, 6g per serviing. :doh: haha so my fat intake drops to around 35g on non training days. I thought 300 was a bit high...:confused:

daily totals are as follows:

total on non-training days:

950 calories
35g fat
40g carbs
155g protein
15g fiber

total on training days:

1290 calories
51g fat
75g carbs
191g protein
22g fiber

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on another note, had a good workout this morning. 1 hr on eliptical machine. 857 calories burned. will post again this evening

I realize my intake is on the low side, but like i said, my job is extremely inactive, and 1/2 of all my calories burned during a day will be burned at the gym. If i am feeling run down, i'll up the calories:tucool:


I'm sorry, but this does not make sense. For a guy of your weight, your base metabolic rate before you even factor in activity, will be a lot higher than the numbers you are posting above. Please, up your calories. You run the risk of ruining your metabolism, not to mention putting yourself at a higher risk of illness. It's not healthy.

This is from Chris Shugart, creator of the V-Diet:

I Need to Lose Over 35 Total Pounds

Women needing to lose over 35 pounds total and men needing to lose over 30 pounds should use this formula:

(10.2 x body weight + 879) x .50 = _______ x .8 = _______

(10.2 x body weight + 879) x .60 = _______ x .8 = _______

So, for you that is:
(10.2 x 234 + 879) x .60 = 1959.48
1959.48 x 0.8 = 1567.584

i.e. 1500-1600 on NON-TRAINING days

Bear this in mind - you are already depriving your body of various nutrients by doing an all liquid diet. Do you want to also deprive of it of the fuel it needs to adequately survive by giving it fewer calories? Seriously, up your calories and you will still succeed on the diet, and will feel a lot better.

Day 2 roundup:

For some reason I am not feeling hungry at all and it doesn't make much sense but I was able to wake up early and get my shakes in at appropriate times. Glad I got to post this a little bit earlier than last night. Work wise, i never told you all but unlike SF, my job is pretty moderate exercise so I decided not to do cardio as much during the week. I'm about to drink my last shake before I head to work and the cottage cheese should be nice tonight before bed.

Weight: 205.5 haha that water is going pretty quickly.

Later.

day 2 over .....gettin sum hunger pangs.

was bored in the evening so i threw in 30mins cardio on the treadmill....added 2 eggs to my diet to compensate for some of the calories burned.....eggs again are good protein/ fat source and lots of nutrients and no carbs ...so will use these to up the cals if need.

cals consumed 1720 50 p 34 f 16 carbs 30g fibre 3.5 litres water.


leg day tommorow!!gone be interesting :confused:..

I realize my intake is on the low side, but like i said, my job is extremely inactive, and 1/2 of all my calories burned during a day will be burned at the gym. If i am feeling run down, i'll up the calories:tucool:

oops, haha its 60 calories from fat, 6g per serviing. :doh: haha so my fat intake drops to around 35g on non training days. I thought 300 was a bit high...:confused:

daily totals are as follows:

total on non-training days:

950 calories
35g fat
40g carbs
155g protein
15g fiber

total on training days:

1290 calories
51g fat
75g carbs
191g protein
22g fiber

~~~~~~~~~~~~

on another note, had a good workout this morning. 1 hr on eliptical machine. 857 calories burned. will post again this evening

Drop the oats on the PWO. Too many carbs. As for cardio, you should be limiting yourself to no more than 60% max heart rate and be careful doing it longer than 30-45 minutes. This is a mother F'ing diet. You are doing things to your body that have never been done before.

I'm sorry, but this does not make sense. For a guy of your weight, your base metabolic rate before you even factor in activity, will be a lot higher than the numbers you are posting above. Please, up your calories. You run the risk of ruining your metabolism, not to mention putting yourself at a higher risk of illness. It's not healthy.

This is from Chris Shugart, creator of the V-Diet:



So, for you that is:
(10.2 x 234 + 879) x .60 = 1959.48
1959.48 x 0.8 = 1567.584

i.e. 1500-1600 on NON-TRAINING days

Bear this in mind - you are already depriving your body of various nutrients by doing an all liquid diet. Do you want to also deprive of it of the fuel it needs to adequately survive by giving it fewer calories? Seriously, up your calories and you will still succeed on the diet, and will feel a lot better.

Gaz is 100% correct. I have done this diet on two different occasions, so I have a little experience.

You should follow Chris's instructions. The great thing about this diet is that once you do the macros and figure out your shake breakdown/timing.....that's it. No more thinking for 28 days. You cannot justify your inactivity at work as a reason to cut your calories more. This diet is already a mental challenge. You are trying to make it an even more physical challenge.

If you want to do it accurate, drop the oats. That is solid food. There is no allowance for PWO+carbs.

I used flax oil as my fat source both times. I am starting to feel that salmon/fish oil would be a bit better due to the omega 3/6 content in the fish ratio. I didn't read closely enough, but I am hoping that there is a multi-vitamin in there somewhere?

Once again be very careful with the cardio. Your body is on the edge of catabolism already. Too much and you defeat the purpose of the diet: fat loss/muscle preservation.

I actually can't wait to do this diet again. I got great results each time. Got to hold off until March 21st....running the National Marathon.

Sorry, if I come out harsh. I just know what it takes to do this diet. Good luck.

I have done this diet on two different occasions, so I have a little experience.
How were your results?

ok ok ok, you guys convinced me.. I added another scoop of protein powder to 3 of the shakes upping my calories to around 1400 on non-training days, and a little over 1600 on training days. I'm taking the oats with protein as a PWO shake because I dont have surge, and can't afford to purchase a similar product. Chris says he never exceeds 100g carbs in a training day.. i'm only half that. flax seeds are also a solid food, however, chris put them in his shakes. Sorry if I sound smug, but I'm also not consuming a "cheat" meal of oatmeal and blueberries on saturdays.

Now...

Day almost over. I get off work at 9, and have one more shake to consume. i'm a little hungry today, but its not unbearable. I do need to ad more fiber to my diet.. magic isn't happening on the porcelin throne

ps, yes, there is a multi vitamin taken in the AM with lipo6 instead of hot rox

How were your results?

The first time, I didn't keep a journal. I was too scared to fail. I think that I put most of the info in the second journal.

http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showthread.php?t=40787&highlight=Bandit


ok ok ok, you guys convinced me.. I added another scoop of protein powder to 3 of the shakes upping my calories to around 1400 on non-training days, and a little over 1600 on training days. I'm taking the oats with protein as a PWO shake because I dont have surge, and can't afford to purchase a similar product. Chris says he never exceeds 100g carbs in a training day.. i'm only half that. flax seeds are also a solid food, however, chris put them in his shakes. Sorry if I sound smug, but I'm also not consuming a "cheat" meal of oatmeal and blueberries on saturdays.

Now...

Day almost over. I get off work at 9, and have one more shake to consume. i'm a little hungry today, but its not unbearable. I do need to ad more fiber to my diet.. magic isn't happening on the porcelin throne

ps, yes, there is a multi vitamin taken in the AM with lipo6 instead of hot rox

I used flax meal. Two tablespoons per shake. BUT! I would just take a spoonful and wash it down with water. I tried putting it into my shake, but that is just nasty. You are getting a lot of fiber via the flax. But, get some metamusil tab if you want to add more.

I never took any of the products that Chris recommended. I think that was more of the t-nation advertising. I also have been around the gym for over half my life now. I know what supplements work for me and what it is worth to me as well.

These shakes already taste horrible. My choice of cookies n cream didn't go too well. I'm going to get a normal flavor tomorrow. Good luck btw.

ok ok ok, you guys convinced me.. I added another scoop of protein powder to 3 of the shakes upping my calories to around 1400 on non-training days, and a little over 1600 on training days.

Better... you could probably add another scoop somewhere and still be OK.

I'm taking the oats with protein as a PWO shake because I dont have surge, and can't afford to purchase a similar product.

Buy some dextrose and add ~60g to your PWO shake instead of the oats - it'll have a similar effect to Surge.

These shakes already taste horrible. My choice of cookies n cream didn't go too well. I'm going to get a normal flavor tomorrow. Good luck btw.

Chris recommends a protein with casein. It is supposed to be a slower digesting protein. I got mine from Trueprotein.com. Their taste guide on each formula is pretty accurate. I have been using the same formula and flavor for the past 3 years and still not tired of it.

These shakes already taste horrible. My choice of cookies n cream didn't go too well. I'm going to get a normal flavor tomorrow. Good luck btw.
ha ha ...im using the plain cheap unflavoured whey!!!...doesnt taste of anything really!!

ok, another quick cardio workout over. 30 min on treatmil walking with 15% incline. 250 calories burned. no PWO shake yet, not until weight lifting this afternoon.

as far as taste goes, I just have regular vanilla from GNC. I put one packet of crystal light in there, and it makes it whatever flavor I feel like. lemonaid, strawberry, raspberry.. ect.. and they taste pretty decent.

Jumped on the scale this morning just for giggles, and had a reading of 230.1. probably mostly water, but still nice to see the scale go down.

day 3 cals 1600 cals p 48 f 36 c 16 fibre 30g water 4 l

day 3 over ..getting some cravings for food but not too bad...leg workout was a killer!! but at least thats the hardest workout over for another 7 days

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keep going everyone:tu:

day 4 workout completed suprisingly lots of energy today:confused:..not even feeling hungry?? ...i checked my urine with ketostix and i have gone into ketosis .

the next few days are none workout days so hopefully should be easier.


im away for a few days with possibly no internet acess..so i may not be able to report in unless i find a internet cafe!

keep going lads...

day 6 nearly done ...cravings are down dont feel hungry that much.

weight 153
thigh 20.5
calve 13.5
hip 32.5
belly 32
upper belly 29
chest 36.5
for arm 11
bicep cold flex 13.75

all measuresments morning
ok one week done weigh in 2day 146 lbs which is 7lb drop! i know a fair amount is water glycogen..

thigh same
calve same
hip 32.25 - 0.25
belly 30.75 - 1.25
upper belly 27.5 -1.5
chest 36. -0.5
for arm same
bicep cold flex 13.5 -.25

weight: 234.2

abdominal at belly button: 39"
bicep cold flex: 16"
neck: 17.25"
chest at nipples:43"
butt: 44"
middle of thigh: 24.5"
calf:17"
forearms at base:13"


Ok so I haven't posted for a couple days.. my internet went out on me, but its back up now so we're all good. last couple days have been really hard. my cravings are a little rediculous. but i've not waived from this diet :nono: i said 28 days, i meant 28 days :tu:. here's my new stats:

weight: 228.8

abdominal at belly button: 37.25"
bicep cold flex: 16"
neck: 17"
chest at nipples:42"
butt: 42.25"
middle of thigh: 24.25"
calf:17"
forearms at base:13"

good start, but still 3 weeks left, my cravings WONT get the best of me! :bang:

still going i did eat a extra 500 cals of almonds yesterday though!!

today was tough and i was very tempeted to eat some kinda real food...but i resisted:nod:.........
have started drinking unsweetened green tea .

hows everyone else doin?

it will be interesting to see how this experiment works out!! i will be suprised if i last over two weeks!! lol



14 days done :nod::tu:..and i think i can carry this on for next week....very good leg work out today.

weigh measurements tommorow.....

2 week weigh in weight 144 total drop -9lb (7lb wk 1 2lb wk 2)

overall measurements with inches lost in 2 weeks

thigh 20.5 ---same
calve 13.5 ---same
hip 31.25--- 1.25 loss
belly 30.25 ---1.75 loss
upper belly 27 ---2 loss
chest 36 ----0.5 loss
for arm 11 -----same
bicep cold flex --- 13.5 0.25 loss

where are u guys???? am i the only one left ...last man standing??

end of third week weigh in weight 141 total drop 12 lb (7lb week 1 2lb wk 2 3 wk 3)

inches lost
thigh 20.5 ---same
calve 13.5 ---same
hip 31.--- 1.5 loss
belly 29.75 ---2.25 loss
upper belly 26.75 ---2.25 loss
chest 36 ----0.5 loss
for arm 11 -----same
bicep cold flex --- 13.25---- 0.5 loss

5 days left :tucool::tucool:....it is easy now..no hunger pangs or cravings ..and energy levels are good..still will be good to start introducing some real food back into my life...socialising is no fun when you cant eat:doh:.

last day tommorow!!:claphigh:...then weigh in monday and roll on the food:lol:....i am going to up my calories by 500 to around 2350 daily (which will include around 230 gs carbs) for the next 7 days and remeasure to see what happens after the diet is over....i will still maintain clean eating as i have no desire for any junk food!!:eek:..one of the good things about the 28 days of living off whey shakes!!

my food plan for the next phase will include a mixture of whey,tuna,oats,bran,bananas,mixed beans,veggies,olive oil,peanut butter,chicken breast,cottage cheese and rye bread...(which probably sounds boring...but believe me after living off whey shakes for the last month is mouth watering to me!!)

Was it wierd that I've lost 20lbs?? Hahahaha! Yes, I'm still here!!!

Was it wierd that I've lost 20lbs?? Hahahaha! Yes, I'm still here!!!
:tucool:awsome....so whats the plan of action coming back off the diet?

final measurements after 4 weeks weigh in weight 140 total drop 13 lb (7lb week 1 2lb wk 2 3 wk 3 wk 4 1lb)

inches lost
thigh ----20 inch 0.5 inch loss
calve ---13.25 0.25 loss
hip --- 30.75 1.75 loss
belly 29.5 --- 2.5 loss
upper belly 26.5---2.5 loss
chest 36.25 ----0.25 loss
for arm 11 -----same
bicep cold flex --- 13.25---- 0.5 loss


now to start eating and see what happens:confused:

Congrats on sticking with the diet. Quite an achievement when you look back at what was accomplished.

thanks .....the most important thing i find is it teaches you discipline...in regards that i dont have the cravings for cookies and crisps ..but today i so enjoyed my tuna in tomatoes ,herbs and olives with mixed beans:drool: and even my scrambled eggs with veggies were delicious!! ha ha and im looking foward to my roast chicken breast and veggies tonight.!...

i am quite interested to see what happens over the next few weeks with regards to weight measurements as my glycogen levels refill and water goes back into the body..?? ..also i have increased my cals to 2350 and will increase by a further 400 next week.

Quick update ..i have been eating 2350 cals of clean foods daily(approx 230g carbs daily).weight has remained same at 140 ..measurements same also....im gunna up the cals to 2650 this week.

I'm planning on starting the V-Diet on April 13th (day after our traditional Easter buffet). I'll only have one 'cheat' on May 9th for my buddies wedding, but such is life. From what I've read, it seems it won't matter.

I'm currently at 184lbs around 12.5%BF, and I'll be continuing on my current cut (with scheduled cheats) until then, so I may be more around 178-180 ~ 10%BF. I want to use this to blast off the last bit of fat. Anyone care to join me?

I'd like to do this. The only issue I might face is that I'm already at the low side of the "safe" body fat percentage. I'm at 20% or so right now and I would like to get down to 15%. In all my gym life, I've never been able to do it.

My other questions is: can I mix my protein shakes with milk instead of water? And add fruits for different flavors? Assuming I stay within the intake levels I need.

Edit: one more question:
According to T-nation, I don't weigh enough to do this but I disagree. Their minimum weight for women is 125 lbs so putting that in the form told me I need 1,275 and 1,605 calories. That seems like a lot to me, if I take off 12% to compensate for the difference between my actual weight and their minimum am I really going to be eating too little?

I hope this makes sense, it's late.

Hi Brie, no you can't use milk or fruits. You can use Torani sugar-free syrups if you want, or cooking extracts but nothing that will change the macros.

Looking at your numbers, I'd probably side with T-Nation that this probably isn't for you. 5'3" and 107 sounds like you need some lean mass, or your bf% measurement is wrong (more likely). The body you want may not be under the fat tissue - I'm 6'1" and I was down to 154lbs (and still only had 2 abs showing) at my lightest so I understand where you are. Maybe Guava or J_W will chime in to give a female perspective.

I can't comment on the numbers, other than to say that it's close to what I'll be eating.

Just ordered TeamSkip's protein blend from TrueProtein (18lbs!) and a custom blend to replace the Surge - I used 10% Whey Isolate, 10% Hydrolyzed Whey, 35% Waxy Maize, 35% Maltodextrin, 5%BCAA, and 5% L-glutamine.

Over $200 of protein... I guess I'm commited now :scared:

Hi Brie, no you can't use milk or fruits. You can use Torani sugar-free syrups if you want, or cooking extracts but nothing that will change the macros.

Looking at your numbers, I'd probably side with T-Nation that this probably isn't for you. 5'3" and 107 sounds like you need some lean mass, or your bf% measurement is wrong (more likely). The body you want may not be under the fat tissue - I'm 6'1" and I was down to 154lbs (and still only had 2 abs showing) at my lightest so I understand where you are. Maybe Guava or J_W will chime in to give a female perspective.

I can't comment on the numbers, other than to say that it's close to what I'll be eating.
That's true, I do need more lean muscle. But the thing is I'm just a petite person so I'm not going to get much bigger. The problem I'm having is losing that last bit of fat to get down to my goal. I think that this might be something that will give me that boost that I need.

That's true, I do need more lean muscle. But the thing is I'm just a petite person so I'm not going to get much bigger. The problem I'm having is losing that last bit of fat to get down to my goal. I think that this might be something that will give me that boost that I need.

Hey there, brie :). Just going by your stats I'd agree with Billy that doing the V-diet at this point will do more harm than good. Perhaps you could post some pictures to give us a better idea of where you're at, but please reconsider. You can definitely add some lean mass if you eat and train correctly. The only thing that the V-diet will do is burn off the muscle you have.

Hey there, brie :). Just going by your stats I'd agree with Billy that doing the V-diet at this point will do more harm than good. Perhaps you could post some pictures to give us a better idea of where you're at, but please reconsider. You can definitely add some lean mass if you eat and train correctly. The only thing that the V-diet will do is burn off the muscle you have.
Well, my concern isn't about building lean mass; I've done that. My concern is that I can't get down to my goal with normal cutting alone, I'd be happy to have more muscle but I want to get rid of the fat I don't want first. If I do this diet and I lose too much weight (to the point where I am unhealthy) then I will definitely stop but I'd at least like to give it a try.

Well, my concern isn't about building lean mass; I've done that. My concern is that I can't get down to my goal with normal cutting alone, I'd be happy to have more muscle but I want to get rid of the fat I don't want first. If I do this diet and I lose too much weight (to the point where I am unhealthy) then I will definitely stop but I'd at least like to give it a try.
Well, you have about three pounds to go before you're in the "underweight" range by BMI. I don't think the Velocity Diet was designed to help a person lose two pounds. :) I suspect that improving the way you look is probably more a matter of decreasing your body fat percentage than decreasing your total body mass. You can actually decrease body fat percentage while gaining lean body mass, and I think that strategy would be a better fit for you. It's all about making the best use of energy expenditure, not about limiting energy intake.

Well, you have about three pounds to go before you're in the "underweight" range by BMI. I don't think the Velocity Diet was designed to help a person lose two pounds. :) I suspect that improving the way you look is probably more a matter of decreasing your body fat percentage than decreasing your total body mass. You can actually decrease body fat percentage while gaining lean body mass, and I think that strategy would be a better fit for you. It's all about making the best use of energy expenditure, not about limiting energy intake.


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Well, you have about three pounds to go before you're in the "underweight" range by BMI. I don't think the Velocity Diet was designed to help a person lose two pounds. :) I suspect that improving the way you look is probably more a matter of decreasing your body fat percentage than decreasing your total body mass. You can actually decrease body fat percentage while gaining lean body mass, and I think that strategy would be a better fit for you. It's all about making the best use of energy expenditure, not about limiting energy intake.
Well, honestly I disagree. Most of my life I've been underweight as far as BMI is concerned, so I don't really take BMI to mean anything for me.

I know you guys disagree, but I am going to try this. If I lose too much mass then I will stop but I do have fat to lose and that's what I hope happens.

Hi Brie,
Speaking from experience with this diet, I would advise you not to do it. It is an extreme diet. Chris has designed this diet and seen its use over hundreds of people. If he advises a weight restriction, there is a reason. You have to remember that this diet is a variant on a diet that was used for morbidly obese people that were about to undergo surgery. No matter what you say, you are not obese j/k.



Billy,
As for me...I got plenty of fat to lose. I just ran a marathon last weekend, and I pretty much ate what and when I wanted to. I know my personality. I need a structured diet like the VDiet. Punch in the numbers and there is no more thinking.
April 13th? Count me in. Round 3!

Hi Brie,
Speaking from experience with this diet, I would advise you not to do it. It is an extreme diet. Chris has designed this diet and seen its use over hundreds of people. If he advises a weight restriction, there is a reason. You have to remember that this diet is a variant on a diet that was used for morbidly obese people that were about to undergo surgery. No matter what you say, you are not obese j/k.

I understand how this sounds, if someone with my body type wanted to do this diet I would probably question it too. The difference is, I know my history. In a year of hard work I have not been able to get down to my goal (workouts six days a week and eating clean food). I'm not trying to lose a lot of weight, I'm also not cutting my calories as much as some of you are with this diet. As I've said, I'd like to at least give it a try and see what happens. If I drop too much weight then of course I will stop.

I hope that you guys can understand this from my perspective, I know I'm not the perfect candidate but I feel like I need something extra to lose the last bit of fat and get down to my goal.

On a more relevant note, my powders are on the way and I should be able to start on the 13th no problem. I'll be eating 1,122 and and 1,412 calories which is close to 75% of what I had been eating while cutting. I've also gone back to lifting more and doing cardio less which should help maintain my lean mass.

Billy,
As for me...I got plenty of fat to lose. I just ran a marathon last weekend, and I pretty much ate what and when I wanted to. I know my personality. I need a structured diet like the VDiet. Punch in the numbers and there is no more thinking.
April 13th? Count me in. Round 3!

Awesome, glad to have someone that's experienced. I think this is really going to do it for me, and finally get the abs to pop. I've been into single digit BF% readings, but still didn't have what I wanted.

We should do a post v-diet meal sometime in May - Columbia is only about a hour and a half south and May is great riding weather. :)

I'm in for April 13th. A big ol' shipment from trueprotein is on its way to me. :D

Hi, folks. :tucool:

It's been a while since I've been around the JSF forums, but here I am! I have been considering the V-diet for a few weeks, and have decided to take the plunge. I had decided on an April 13th start date, and then I found this challenge. So, I'm in!

I will be doing the program by the book and to the letter, including the Biotest protein and supps. Call me crazy, stupid, $500 poorer, or whatever...but I'm the obsessive-compulsive type and if I don't follow the program exactly I will question myself along the way and after I am finished. I am the master of self-negotiating myself out of a great program, one little change at a time. Besides, I have a very busy month ahead of me and the less thinking I need to do about this stuff, the better. Having everything spelled out for me will make it easier.

Are you guys using this same thread for the challenge?

I will post complete stats at the beginning. In summary, I am 5'9", and 178 lbs. I estimate my current BF% around 14-15%.

4 Years ago, I posted some details of the state of my transformation on the JSF forums here:

http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showthread.php?t=13724&highlight=leftnut

Since then I have kind of just cruised along, adding some fat here, taking some off there. I am stronger than I was then, so my results should be pretty good. I probably have 15 lbs of fat or so to shed. I am not going for the uber-ripped contest look, striations and sinews and all; at this point I am only interested in melting away the belly/sides and uncovering (and hopefully building!) my base.

So, looking forward to sharing this experience with you guys! Good luck!

Less than a week away - might as well just track our progress here. I'll be posting my stats and measurements on Sunday (before the family buffet pig-out) and suggest everyone do the same (or at least in your own journal).

Anyone up for a friendly wager? I'm thinking the lowest fat (or percentage) loss donates $10 or so to animal cancer research (http://www.wearethecure.org/) in Turtle's name.

Less than a week away - might as well just track our progress here. I'll be posting my stats and measurements on Sunday (before the family buffet pig-out) and suggest everyone do the same (or at least in your own journal).

Anyone up for a friendly wager? I'm thinking the lowest fat (or percentage) loss donates $10 or so to animal cancer research (http://www.wearethecure.org/) in Turtle's name.

Yes, I will post my stats here sometime before Monday. I'm all for a small wager for a good cause, sounds good to me. But everyone is going to have different results because we are probably in different circumstances.

How about this? Every slip-up is a $5 donation to the cause. Any missed/shortened workout, missed meal, cheat, whatever, is going to cost you. That way it focuses on compliance, which is the only thing we can really control. Just an idea.

I have been organizing everything for my start next Monday. I have purchased my peanut butter, milled flax, and fiber tablets. Protein/supps should be here Friday at the latest. I am going through the workouts to practice form and establish proper loads. I will be doing the advanced training program, but I'm not sure if I will do the advanced or intermediate V-burn. I will be looking into that more closely. I have been eating totally clean and slightly below maintenance, but will have a pretty free weekend and will eat what I want.

Getting revved up, this will be great!

Ok, I'm good with a $5 demerit for deviating from the plan. :)

I'm doing the intermediate plan, since I don't have a good way to do overhead squats safely. I may swap the rows and press for a compount clean and press, which should be a bit tougher. Can't do neutral grip pull-ups either, so I may need to do regular unless I can DIY somthing. My gym is starting to look like a junkyard. :D

I'm doing the intermediate plan, since I don't have a good way to do overhead squats safely. I may swap the rows and press for a compount clean and press, which should be a bit tougher. Can't do neutral grip pull-ups either, so I may need to do regular unless I can DIY somthing. My gym is starting to look like a junkyard. :D

So you work out at home? Me too. I've built up a pretty good setup in my garage with a power rack, dip bars, a custom-made pull-up bar, and the Ironmaster DB's. Plus all the other assorted junk.

I did the Wednesday workout today and it was brutal! Monday's was easier because I am used to Max-OT style training. But today's combo of more volume and short rest periods left me pretty drained. I estimated pretty well for all the weight ranges.

I think I will do the intermediate V-burn because for the life of me I can't find a place to do handstand push-ups.

Minus 5 days and counting!

I'm up for the $5 demerit idea. I've also got a bet going with my boyfriend to keep me in line.

I have all of my powders and supplements so I'm ready to go. Looks like we have five people now, talk about peer pressure!

I'll probably post my stats on Friday before I leave town.

Beginning stats:

Height: 5'9
Weight: 178
Neck: 15.5
Shoulders: 50 (hard to measure myself, even with the Myotape)
Chest-Upper: 44
Chest-Low: 41
Waist-Navel: 35.5
Waist-Beltline: 34.5
Hips-Largest: 38
UpperArmL: 15
UpperArmR: 15
UpperLegL: 23.8
UpperLegR:23.5
CalfL: 14.5
CalfR: 14.5
Ankles: 9

All set to go! Hot Rox and NEPA first thing in the morning.

Awesome! I just got home from being gone all weekend (on a binge) so I'll take my measurements tomorrow when I get home from work.

How about this? Every slip-up is a $5 donation to the cause. Any missed/shortened workout, missed meal, cheat, whatever, is going to cost you. That way it focuses on compliance, which is the only thing we can really control. Just an idea.

That works. I'm in for $5 for every dietary deviation and missed workout.

I'm not following the velocity workouts, because I'm doing shoulder rehab and I've been making good progress with my routine, but I'll be adjusting my reps and rest periods to be more metabolic. I'll do 3 days of weights, 6 days of NEPA/cardio, and one day of a high-intensity/tabata bodyweight workout. To me, that seems to fit the spirit of velocity-style training.

I got my workout and walking done today. I'm about to finish my last shake. Day one is in the books. I hope everyone else is off to a great start! :tu:

Day 1:

1 hour hike early this morning with the dog.

All meals accounted for and on plan (still need to drink my last shake & PB, no way I'll forget that, I'm hungry!)

Advanced workout #1:
Bent-Over Barbell Row: 205x5,4,4,3,2,2
*Overhead Squat: 85x5,5,5,5
Dips: bodyweight plus 95x5,4,3,2,2,2,1,1
Ab-Wheel Rollout: 20 (need to find a way to add resistance)

*Ok, I am PISSED about the overhead squat. I just can't seem to find my balance. It's not a challenge to hold much more weight than this, and I think my back squat numbers (always ass to grass) are pretty decent for my size. I'm sure this exposes some problems in my squat form...I feel like I am going to fall over forward, and this destabilizes the weight overhead. Maybe I need to put a 2x4 under my heels?

My form isn't good even at this weight. I have been working out for several years, and the rest of the advanced program is going fine. I did the workouts last week, and this is the only exercise that I haven't done before. I researched it a bit, and figured a wider stance and grip would help. It helped a little, but I still SUCK at this exercise. I feel like I need a better lower-body workout in the Monday workout, but I probably just need to learn this exercise. Suggestions are more than welcome!

Other than the overhead squats, everything is going great. The Hot Rox gave me some good clean energy for the most part, but a little edgy at times. I took these years ago, probably before the current formula. I'll get used to them in a day or two.

Last shake in a little while, and this day will be in the can!

Well, day one was tough for me, I'm coming down with a cold and my roommate has been baking nonstop for her boyfriend's birthday. Other than that, everything seems to be going well. I need to figure out a less busy time for my workouts though, there weren't enough barbells to up my weights today.

Beginning stats: (yes I know I'm too skinny for this)
Height: 5'3"
Weight: 111 pounds
Body Fat according to Tanita scale: 16.5% (I'm guessing it's closer to 18)

Day 1 was spot-on for me. The workout was INTENSE. I went on the light side and did 4 sets of 5 for all the exercises, so I'll bump up another 10lbs on each. I haven't done front squats in quite some time, I was pleased with my form - my flexibility has dramatically increased since the fall when I did the 10/10.

The abwheel was suprisingly difficult. I've never used it before, and I can REALLY feel it this morning.

So far the cravings aren't too bad. I dropped almost 5 lbs since Sunday, but I know most if not all was water from my mini-vacation. My cousin is coming in to town tomorrow, and is a little disappointed that although I agreed to go out to dinner that I'd be drinking coffee. I'll never understand why my food choices and alcohol consumption affect other people. Everyone seems to think they are my nutritionist. Those same people inevitably come to me at some point to help them 'tone up without getting bulky'. :)

Day 1 was spot-on for me. The workout was INTENSE. I went on the light side and did 4 sets of 5 for all the exercises, so I'll bump up another 10lbs on each. I haven't done front squats in quite some time, I was pleased with my form - my flexibility has dramatically increased since the fall when I did the 10/10.

The abwheel was suprisingly difficult. I've never used it before, and I can REALLY feel it this morning.

So far the cravings aren't too bad. I dropped almost 5 lbs since Sunday, but I know most if not all was water from my mini-vacation. My cousin is coming in to town tomorrow, and is a little disappointed that although I agreed to go out to dinner that I'd be drinking coffee. I'll never understand why my food choices and alcohol consumption affect other people. Everyone seems to think they are my nutritionist. Those same people inevitably come to me at some point to help them 'tone up without getting bulky'. :)

Nice job! You'll probably be feeling those front squats very soon, ha. I did them last Friday after not doing them for a while, and I was still very sore for Monday's workout.

This probably isn't the nicest thing to say, but I think friends and family members often make comments that aim to bring us down to their own perceived level of fitness and health. Actually, this applies to lots of areas in life. I'm not sure they do it consciously. (Well some of them do, but I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.)

I face some of the same issues with my wife, although once I make up my mind she generally refrains from the negative comments and lets me be. I think much of her concern is for my general health, but I know that she looks closer at her own level of fitness when I am serious about a program.

I haven't explained my thoughts very well, but read this thread if you haven't already:

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/diet_performance_nutrition_bodybuilding_velocity/the_vdiet_toxic_people

Good read.. I just picked up some Fiber choice tablets. I wasn't going to, but I've rechecked the numbers on my protein and have to make a few adjustments for more fat/carbs/dietary fiber. Basically, just adding more fishoil caps and a bit more flax meal. I'm also taking about 5g of CLA instead of the tiny amount in Flameout.

All told, I've probably spent close to $350 so I saved a little bit...

Oh, and as a side note - Waxy Maize Starch and Maltodextrin are not sweet. My PWO shake almost made me choke - thought it was going to be sickening sweet like dextrose.

Day 2:

1 hour hike early this morning with the dog. I am enjoying this part of the program because I have time to think and listen to some music. And my border collie is loving it.

100% on target for the day, evening shake and PB coming soon.

I was more hungry today. I am used to eating 6 times per day so the non-workout days with 5 lower-calorie meals are a big change. No big deal though.

The Hot-Rox sat a little better with me today than yesterday, but I was still a tad edgy. I think I will take two tomorrow morning and 1 mid-day and see how that goes.

Hopefully I will sleep better tonight than last night—they are building some new homes across the street, and they left some lights on that were shining right in our bedroom window. I need darkness. The blinds aren’t cutting it. So today we found some curtains and I installed them this evening. That should help.

Mood: optimistic with a side of fastidiousness

Good read.. I just picked up some Fiber choice tablets. I wasn't going to, but I've rechecked the numbers on my protein and have to make a few adjustments for more fat/carbs/dietary fiber. Basically, just adding more fishoil caps and a bit more flax meal. I'm also taking about 5g of CLA instead of the tiny amount in Flameout.

All told, I've probably spent close to $350 so I saved a little bit...

Oh, and as a side note - Waxy Maize Starch and Maltodextrin are not sweet. My PWO shake almost made me choke - thought it was going to be sickening sweet like dextrose.

Those Fiber Choice tablets are good! Well, compared to everything else I'm eating on this thing.

I spent...well, more, heh. And I bought enough supplies for the whole thing including the two transition weeks. It was still about what I would have spent on food for those 6 weeks.

Day 3:

Another successful day on the V-Diet.

1-hour hike this morning wth the dog.

Workout #2
Pull-ups: bodyweight plus 20lbs x 9/6/4/4/3/3/2/2/2/2/3 = 40 (weak)
Incline DB Press, neutral grip: 75s x 11/7/3/5/4/3/4/4 = 41 (80s next time)
Romanian DL: 245lbs x 10/10/7/7/6 = 40 (275 next time)
BB Curl: 95lbs x 10/9/7/5/5 = 40 (100lbs next time)
Hanging Knee Raise: 10/15/15 = 40

My pull-ups are off, I had been neglecting them for a while before I started the V-Diet. Also, I am not used to these higher reps and short rest periods. I had previously been doing Max-OT style lifting, so this workout is kicking my ass.

Now I know why we don’t eat solid food on this plan. Anything in my stomach would surely have been evacuated by the time I started the deadlifts.

I did feel pretty shitty during this workout. After the deadlifts, I made my post-WO shake and drank about 1/3 of it. That helped a bit. I think I will start making the shake before workout, and sip on it between exercises. I would prefer not to pass out with 80-pound dumbbells raised over my face.

Mood: Risible with a slight chance of Crotchety Old Man

Oh, and as a side note - Waxy Maize Starch and Maltodextrin are not sweet. My PWO shake almost made me choke - thought it was going to be sickening sweet like dextrose.
Agreed.

Day 3:

Another successful day on the V-Diet.

1-hour hike this morning wth the dog.

Workout #2
Pull-ups: bodyweight plus 20lbs x 9/6/4/4/3/3/2/2/2/2/3 = 40 (weak)
Incline DB Press, neutral grip: 75s x 11/7/3/5/4/3/4/4 = 41 (80s next time)
Romanian DL: 245lbs x 10/10/7/7/6 = 40 (275 next time)
BB Curl: 95lbs x 10/9/7/5/5 = 40 (100lbs next time)
Hanging Knee Raise: 10/15/15 = 40

My pull-ups are off, I had been neglecting them for a while before I started the V-Diet. Also, I am not used to these higher reps and short rest periods. I had previously been doing Max-OT style lifting, so this workout is kicking my ass.

Now I know why we don’t eat solid food on this plan. Anything in my stomach would surely have been evacuated by the time I started the deadlifts.

I did feel pretty shitty during this workout. After the deadlifts, I made my post-WO shake and drank about 1/3 of it. That helped a bit. I think I will start making the shake before workout, and sip on it between exercises. I would prefer not to pass out with 80-pound dumbbells raised over my face.

Mood: Risible with a slight chance of Crotchety Old Man
I was planning to take my dog for a long walk/hike today but I woke up and it was snowing! :doh:

As far as workouts go, I had a hard time today too. I was really run down afterward.

Day 3 is down. So far so good. It looks like my roommate has stopped baking for the time being so that's helpful.

Another positive of this diet: less time cooking, more time studying for finals.

Yesterday's workout just about did me in. I've done waterbury programs before, and he's really big into short rest intervals - guess I wasn't ready. Anyone who wonders about not doing official 'cardio' on the program should try one of the workouts. :)

I used 40lb dumbbells for the push presses - barely squeaked out 8,5,5 and had to drop to 30lbs to finish. I'll probably just use 30lbs next week. My abs were still pretty sore from Monday, so the decline reverse crunches were especially nice - I 'got the fever' and pounded them out in 3 sets 14,14,12. I think I'll put my leg weights on for next week.

My weight is holding at 182.6, but I really feel tighter. It's almost like the fat is melting off. I went to a nice italian restaurant last night with my family (out-of-town relative's surprise visit that hasn't seen my 10 month old baby yet). I drank coffee instead of gorging = win!

Hey guys great to see you guys are doing this and lots of luck to you. I actually just started yesterday (my shipment of protein and stuff didn't come in until tuesday night so I couldn't start earlier) I started a fitness journal, but I'll check in here as well if you guys don't mind.


On tuesday the workout went well, but I've been doing it for 2 weeks so i could figure out what weights are best for me and practice form.

I'm going to go to the gym later tonight and interested to see how my body reacts to v workout while on the vdiet.

I do have two questions though. First how did you guys figure out how much fat to incorporate into your diet because according to the v calculator I'm wayyy over my fat intake....also is drinking gatorade after my workout sufficient for the extra carb intake?

Anyway guys I wish you the best of luck and I hope you don't mind if I join on this little journey that is the V diet.

I do have two questions though. First how did you guys figure out how much fat to incorporate into your diet because according to the v calculator I'm wayyy over my fat intake....also is drinking gatorade after my workout sufficient for the extra carb intake?

I'm confused how you can be over? There's only a small amount in the protein, so it should come from the flax meal, fishoil caps(flameout), and nut butter. My protein (TeamSkip from TrueProtein) only has about 1.5g per shake (.75 per scoop). I actually needed a little more fat so I add about another teaspoon of flax, and the extra fiber can't hurt.

Second - no, in my opinion Gatorade isn't a good replacement. You need protein - about 18-20g preferably of whey isolate and about 50g of carbs (dextrose, waxy maize, maltodextrin). You could use gatorade to supplement the carb portion, but it's high fructose corn syrup if I remember which is not optimal. The further you get from the Biotest supps, the less of a 'guarantee' of success.

Hey guys great to see you guys are doing this and lots of luck to you. I actually just started yesterday (my shipment of protein and stuff didn't come in until tuesday night so I couldn't start earlier) I started a fitness journal, but I'll check in here as well if you guys don't mind.


On tuesday the workout went well, but I've been doing it for 2 weeks so i could figure out what weights are best for me and practice form.

I'm going to go to the gym later tonight and interested to see how my body reacts to v workout while on the vdiet.

I do have two questions though. First how did you guys figure out how much fat to incorporate into your diet because according to the v calculator I'm wayyy over my fat intake....also is drinking gatorade after my workout sufficient for the extra carb intake?

Anyway guys I wish you the best of luck and I hope you don't mind if I join on this little journey that is the V diet.
What kind of protein are you using? From what I've seen that's using the wrong type of protein is the only way you can have too much fat.

I wouldn't recommend drinking gatorade either. My PWO shake is a custom mix with carbs and protein. I wouldn't rely on sugars as your carbs for post work out drinks.

Day 4:

Another day, same stuff. Except, no workout.

Didn’t sleep well last night, and woke at 4:30am. Hopefully this will correct itself soon.

Mood: Tim Burton with a dash of Gene Rayburn

Day 4:
Pretty much as above - nothing unusual, slightly diminished craving for food. That said, I'm already visualizing my HSM on Saturday. Mmmm. Steak with a huge spinach salad, a little rice pasta with fresh tomatoes, grilled asparagus, and an almost frozen pear for dessert.

What kind of protein are you using? From what I've seen that's using the wrong type of protein is the only way you can have too much fat.

I wouldn't recommend drinking gatorade either. My PWO shake is a custom mix with carbs and protein. I wouldn't rely on sugars as your carbs for post work out drinks.

I'm using optimum nutrition whey and casein. The fat was coming from the flax seeds, but I've lowered the amount I'm taking and added fiber tables for some needed fiber....and agreed the fiber choice tablets are the best tasting thing I have right now (mmm sugar free strawberry) :-).

And yea I gave up on the gatorade and went out and bought some glucose tablets (dextrose) are these good or should I buy something else?


After readjusting everything I'm 6g short on fat and 3.5g short on fiber so I think I'm going to add some flax and maybe some CLA then everything'll be perfect.

For me today is the beginning of day 3 and last night was 1 of 3 huge challenges I'm going to face while on the diet. Last night was my fraternities biggest party of the second semester so I had food (i won't torture you guys by saying what they were, but lets say some of my favorites) and alcohol being thrown in my face every few minutes, but I stayed strong and didn't have anything. I stayed on course all day and I know I'll be able to do it the next 2 challenges as well.

As far as day 3 goes surprisingly I feel just as if not more energetic on this diet than I did off of it. Day 3's going pretty well and it's such a nice day outside so I'm just going to go hang out and then go to the NYC Autoshow.

Day 4:

Workout #3:
Front Squat: 185 x 5/5/5/5/4/1
Bench Press, close grip: 205 x 5/5/4/3/3/2/2/1
Chin-up: bodyweight plus 25lbs x 5/5/3/3/2/2/2/2/1
Push Press, barbell: 115 x 5/5/3/2/3/2/2/2/1

I can hardly believe the difference between my front and back squat numbers, but there you go. I really did not want to post these numbers. Technique is definitely the limiting factor for my squat variations. It will be good working on them for the next few weeks. And I know what my focus will be after this program.

30 seconds between sets…no words to describe…

Did the normal hike today, but my wife came along too. Then we went to Costco and I got to smell and watch her eat pizza and churros in the car on the way home. 'Nuff said about that.

Still rock-solid, on plan. Tomorrow will be interesting. I am a musician and I have two gigs. It will be more than the usual NEPA. I am not a crazy stage performer or anything, but it is more activity than your typical walk in the park. Probably a good thing I will have my HSM tomorrow afternoon.

Everything is going well today, and my first weekly HSM is in about 30 minutes. Gotta run. :eat:

Everything is going well today, and my first weekly HSM is in about 30 minutes. Gotta run. :eat:

I just finished mine. 10oz NY Strip, grilled asparagus, spinach salad, brown rice pasta, cherry tomatoes, and a red pear for dessert. It was the best meal I've eaten in a LOOOOONG time. I couldn't eat all of the rice pasta. I grilled veggie kebabs for my girls (vegetarians) so I ate a little of that too. I full, but not in pain or anything, just comfortable.

Wow, that looks great man.

Mine was just the simple steak, sweet potato, green beans, spinach, and a few strawberries and blueberries. But it was marvelous.

:tucool:

Week 1 stats:

Yes, it's a day early and I haven't done my first V-challenge yet. But Sunday morning works. These and the original measurements were taken with the same Myotape. Changes from week 1 are in parentheses.

Height: 5'9
Weight: 172.5 (-5.5)
Neck: 15.5
Shoulders: 50.2 (.2)
Chest-Upper: 44.25 (.25)
Chest-Low: 41.5 (.5)
Waist-Navel: 34.5 (-1)
Waist-Beltline: 34 (-.5)
Hips-Largest: 37.5 (-.5)
UpperArmL: 15
UpperArmR: 15
UpperLegL: 23.5 (-.3)
UpperLegR:23.5
CalfL: 14.5
CalfR: 14.5
Ankles: 9


I am happy with my results so far. I doubt I have actually added size to my chest and shoulders. Probably within the margin of measuring error. But hey, I'll take it. Really I'm just happy my arms and legs aren't shrinking.

I know those waist numbers are pretty accurate. My belt started wanting to go to the next notch this week.

I have measured my body fat with calipers for years. My wife knows how to get the spots I can't reach. Which, incidentally, is a very good quality to have in a wife. (ba-da-boom! Thank you ladies and gentlemen, I'll be here all week....)

Anyway, BF% measurements have always been really weird with me. One week ago, the 7 and 9 point caliper tests were telling me I was 10-11%. Rubbish, no way was (or am) that low. It's obvious from my starting pics I am much higher than that.

So, I prefer to just go by the mirror and the way my clothes fit. As long as my waist is shrinking and my arms and legs aren't withering away, it's all good.

Gonna let the breakfast shake settle a bit, and then it's time for the V-challenge.

On day 5 and everything's going great. Just had my second shake. I'm actually very glad that I don't ever feel hungry on this diet (unless I exceed 3.5 hours in between shakes) or tired. I definitely look much slimmer than I did when I started the diet and I just feel better as a whole. Yesterday I sprinted down just 1 block, not a long period of time, but I just felt my body and running was so smooth and I just felt lean :-).

Tonight's my HSM, but it's coinciding with a farewell dinner for an executive board I just served on. There's going to be tons of FREE INDIAN food and I'm wondering how eating that instead of a perfectly Healthy meal is going to affect the diet/plan. Please chime in.

On day 5 and everything's going great. Just had my second shake. I'm actually very glad that I don't ever feel hungry on this diet (unless I exceed 3.5 hours in between shakes) or tired. I definitely look much slimmer than I did when I started the diet and I just feel better as a whole. Yesterday I sprinted down just 1 block, not a long period of time, but I just felt my body and running was so smooth and I just felt lean :-).

Tonight's my HSM, but it's coinciding with a farewell dinner for an executive board I just served on. There's going to be tons of FREE INDIAN food and I'm wondering how eating that instead of a perfectly Healthy meal is going to affect the diet/plan. Please chime in.

Good to see everything is going well! It's always nice to see and feel those small changes.

Regarding your HSM, here's my opinion. Bring a shake. If there are healthy choices available, choose them and enjoy. If there aren't, find a way to get your shake in and do your HSM another time. If you don't think you will have the self-control to make the healthy choices, don't be there.

And, I gotta say -- who cares if it's FREE? Lots of things are free, or close to it. A kick in the shin is free. A Big Mac costs a buck. I wouldn't want either. :wink:

I know that I would suffer more mental damage than physical if I ate anything off-plan. It's a crack in the dike. For me, this thing is just as much about changing my relationship with food as the fat loss. I came into this thing loving all those foods that are the worst for my body (including the less than healthy Indian choices!). I am trying to rid myself of those cravings (or at least control them), which Shugart claims can happen with the V-diet. Eating even one bite of the wrong stuff on this plan can set you back.

See if they have some Tandoori chicken (and don't eat the skin), steamed basmati, and raw or lightly prepared veggies.

Good luck whatever you decide. :)

haha ya i decided to just push the HSM until tomorrow before I left just because the dinner food was catered from a restaurant and I just assumed it would be oily and whatever plus I'm going to feel better cooking myself and eating in peace.

As far as temptations haha I was VERY tempted :-), but it always feels good to leave knowing you are stronger than the food.

On a side not I also did my v burn challenge today and Idk why but I've been feeling nauseous lately and this feeling did not go away during the challenge. I rested between circuit (i know it's bad) sometimes for upto five minutes, idk, but I got through all 6 circuits.

Well I know this is a long post, but I just wanted to congratulate you on the inches lost and gained in the right places :-). Small changes are nice to see.

haha ya i decided to just push the HSM until tomorrow before I left just because the dinner food was catered from a restaurant and I just assumed it would be oily and whatever plus I'm going to feel better cooking myself and eating in peace.

As far as temptations haha I was VERY tempted :-), but it always feels good to leave knowing you are stronger than the food.

On a side not I also did my v burn challenge today and Idk why but I've been feeling nauseous lately and this feeling did not go away during the challenge. I rested between circuit (i know it's bad) sometimes for upto five minutes, idk, but I got through all 6 circuits.

Well I know this is a long post, but I just wanted to congratulate you on the inches lost and gained in the right places :-). Small changes are nice to see.

Sweet, way to go man! And thank you!

Regarding the nausea, i have heard two possibilities:

One, are you taking hot-rox? They make me feel that way. I started taking only one twice per day, and always with a shake, and that has helped.

Two, extra stomach acid. No more solid food, so there's extra acid making things feel funny. You can probably learn more about that by looking up side-effects of liquid fasts, etc.

Good luck!

I'm actually not taking hot rox, I'm taking green tea pills instead, but I think the problem is just from the lack of solid food hoping it goes away soon.

Right now my diet is

Every meal has
1 scoop ON whey and 1 scoop ON Casien
2 fish oil pills
2 green phyto pills.
1 fiber choice tablet

Then my first shake I take 2 green tea pills and 2 tsps of flax seeds.

My fourth shake has 2 tsp of flax seeds

my fifth shake has 210 calories of natural peanut butter.

I posted that to make sure that I'm not missing any major nutrients (which I don't think I am) my concern is that I'm not getting enough fiber and that maybe why I've been feeling nauseous.

Two, extra stomach acid. No more solid food, so there's extra acid making things feel funny. You can probably learn more about that by looking up side-effects of liquid fasts, etc.
So, today I'm at 101 pounds but this weekend was really difficult for me and I have an unexpected problem. I spent all weekend in bed because my stomach was killing me. After about four days of not having any food in my stomach, my acid reflux made a come back. Point of the story is, I'm off the diet. I just can't afford to miss finals because my stomach hurts and I definitely don't want another ulcer.

:(

Now I have to figure out what to do with all this protein. Ugh. I'm not happy.

I think the fish oil pills are making me nauseous. I just opened the bottle and almost threw up just from looking at it and the smell ugh. I took them down and almost gagged not sure what to do probably just suck it up are there any substitutes?

I think the fish oil pills are making me nauseous. I just opened the bottle and almost threw up just from looking at it and the smell ugh. I took them down and almost gagged not sure what to do probably just suck it up are there any substitutes?

Flax oil, but it's not going to be much of an improvement, and you miss out on the anti-inflammatory properties of the fishoil. You can try liquid fish oil, which is usually citrus or mint flavored.


V-burn yesterday was a BEYOTCH. Completed in 34:14, threw up around 20:00 on the 4the circuit. I had to stop to drink some water and I guess I had too much. I'm not really sure I can beat that time, after the 3rd circuit I simply HAD to stop and catch my breath. Weird, the last two circuit were easier than I thought - I think I got my breathing and pacing down much better, or just was in the right mindset.

I'm also swapping in weighted dips for decline DB presses. I'm somewhere in between the intermediate and advanced, so I'm going to borrow from there as necessary.

Two, extra stomach acid. No more solid food, so there's extra acid making things feel funny. You can probably learn more about that by looking up side-effects of liquid fasts, etc.

I definitely experienced this for a couple of days. Drinking a lot of water seems to help keep it in check.

I had my HSM on Saturday after a full day of yardwork and gardening. I don't think I've ever been more excited about eating broccoli. :lol: This diet totally makes me crave veggies.

And so that's one week in the bag! I'm down by a lot of scale weight, but I think that's to be expected from the first week. This week should give a better indication of actual fat loss.

Keep up the great work, guys!

It's good to see everyone's doing well and haha ya that vburn killed this week but great job Billy.

This morning I took my first shake and I think it's just the protein that makes me want to throw up because i had the same throw up/ gag reaction while looking at it/thinking bout it...Idk maybe my bodys trying to reject all of the stuff or I should buy a new flavor don't know if that'll help cause I like the chocolate. I am starting to wonder if maybe I should just throw up, if that'll make me feel better.
Hopefully my HSM today will make me feel better.


On a side note. Billy I just wanted to extend my appreciation and gratefulness for your help in my preparation for the vdiet. I don't believe I formally thanked you for all the help and at least part of my results will be because of all the help you offered in me in making sure I got all the supplements I need. I just want you to know you were a great help and that if nothing else you at least helped one other person become able to do something they needed and wanted. I'm going to be in shape and cut for probably the first time in my life and I'm excited.

Also thanks to everyone else for your help it's just Billy was guiding me from the start :-).

Ok well everybody
Just gotta keep downing those shakes and pills. Workout hard and get in your walks. We're gonna make it one day at a time.

Thanks, my greatest reward will be seeing you reach your goals!

Just a quick check-in.

Workout went fine today, overhead squats are getting better but still need to improve on my form.

Workout log is in the garage, too tired to go get it. I don't think I will be posting every single number anymore anyway. I'm in the groove with this thing now, and I just want to put my head down and git-er-done.

Everything going great and 100% on-track to this point in the V-diet. Don't know what day it is, don't care. Tired of counting.

Stay strong everybody!

I've been getting the shakes every once and awhile, usually just before it's meal time. I'm not taking Hot Rox ('tho I just ordered some) and I'm not drinking any more coffee than usual. This is the fourth or fifth time this has happened. It goes away as soon as I eat, actually this started a few days before I did the v-diet but has been more frequent.


EDIT: Usual is in the neighborhood of 48-64 oz.

I've been getting the shakes every once and awhile, usually just before it's meal time. I'm not taking Hot Rox ('tho I just ordered some) and I'm not drinking any more coffee than usual. This is the fourth or fifth time this has happened. It goes away as soon as I eat, actually this started a few days before I did the v-diet but has been more frequent.


EDIT: Usual is in the neighborhood of 48-64 oz.

Are you saying 48-64 oz. of coffee per day? Wow, that is a lot. I don't remember what you said you are using for your protein or supplements. But on a lower calorie program like this, that seems like an awful lot of coffee to me. I don't really know what that would do.

Do you feel really hungry before your next meal?

And what physical activity are you doing outside your workouts?

Hope you can figure it out....

Are you saying 48-64 oz. of coffee per day? Wow, that is a lot. I don't remember what you said you are using for your protein or supplements. But on a lower calorie program like this, that seems like an awful lot of coffee to me. I don't really know what that would do.

Do you feel really hungry before your next meal?

And what physical activity are you doing outside your workouts?

Hope you can figure it out....

Supplements:

TeamSkip from TrueProtein (pretty closely mimics MD)
8 fish oil caps (super DHA)
4 CLA caps
2 servings ground flax meal
Custom Surge replacement (swapped 50/50 Waxy Maize and malto for the dextrose)
Cashew nut butter
fiber choice tabs

Haven't been taking l-leucine, but decided to order it yesterday after reading some old PMs from Mastover about it.

I've always been a stimlulant junkie, and never had problems with 'the shakes'. I think something is going on with my glucose levels. i don't want to go to the doctor, since I haven't been there in 8 years, so I'll probably split my mid-day shakes in half and do them more often.

Things getting any better for you, Billy?

Things getting any better for you, Billy?

Yeah, seemed fine. I think it's definately blood glucose related. It seemed to happen on non-workout days or workout days before the workout. I bumped up my fiber choice tablets to two per my three AM meals and I feel much better. The 'trivial' amout of dextrose is enough. :)

That's very good to hear Billy, I'm glad everything worked out.

So I'm starting day 9 everything's been fine I stopped putting the seeds in my shake and just blending them and eating them raw in the shake they just made me feel sick.

I'm kind of worried though because I weighed myself exactly 1 week ago (last thursday morning start of Day 2) and I was 154.8 and I just weighed my self today morning and I weighed 151.8 only a 3lbs difference. From what I've seen from other people it sounds like you're supposed to lose ~8-12lbs the first week. What do you think went wrong? How much of a difference do you think weighing myself at the start of Day 2 instead of the start of Day 1 made?

Otherwise diet's going well I mean I'm getting used to everything workouts have been great and even the NEPA walks have made me sore (4mph @2-3% incline for 35-40 minutes) can't wait for my next HSM :-).

You need flax meal, not the seeds. Your body probably can't digest the hulls so you aren't getting enough fat (or fiber!). That would stall your fat loss for sure. I lost almost 9lbs from 4/13 to 4/20 and haven't lost anything (yet) this week, my skin feels tighter and my pants are looser so I'm not really worried about it.

Focus on the mirror, not the scale. :tu:

Yeah, I lost about 6 pounds (if I remember right) week one and don't think I've lost much in week 2. Not sure if my waist has even gone down this week. But that's just the way this stuff works sometimes. It comes and goes in spurts.

Also something to think about - sometimes we lose fat in places we aren't directly measuring. I measure my midsection around my navel and at my belt line. I know I am seeing fat disappear above my navel, but that's not one of my measurements. So there you go.

Glad you're feeling better, Billy.

Things are going great for me. I had a little glitch in yesterday's workout, my right quad/hip experienced a weird strain and I couldn't finish my incline presses (couldn't pick up the DB's from the floor) or deadlifts. Feeling much better today, so I did those exercises this afternoon and replaced my normal afternoon shake with a half serving of Surge.

haha it's definitely true that I look far better in the mirror these days in fact yesterday I didn't look in the mirror at all because two days ago it dawned on me that I spend every other minute looking at myself in the mirror and it's not going to change every minute.

O, but on a serious note, I am grinding the flax seeds. I thought that if I ground them then my body could process and digest them if that's wrong then I'll go buy some flax meal immediately.

Well end of day 9 and I'm not going to lie I really wanted to end it today and if there was food at this party I went to I probably would have but I've come back tonight and I'm stronger going into tomorrow and just got to keep thinking HSM in 2 days :-).

Got a good workout in today (doing tues/thurs/sat because it works better with my schedule), but I heart my shoulder three weeks ago and as a result I was only able to get in about 20 push press reps in last week and 30 today. Hopefuly I"ll be able to get out all 40 tomorrow, I also upped a lot of weights today so I'm happy about the strenght improvement.

Guys I appreciate the support coming to these boards and reading about the various things keeps my mind of off real food haha. We're going to make it one day at a time guys and it's going to be awesome.

Sorry for the long post.

O, but on a serious note, I am grinding the flax seeds. I thought that if I ground them then my body could process and digest them if that's wrong then I'll go buy some flax meal immediately.


That's fine...


Well end of day 9 and I'm not going to lie I really wanted to end it today and if there was food at this party I went to I probably would have but I've come back tonight and I'm stronger going into tomorrow and just got to keep thinking HSM in 2 days :-).


Dude, it's just food. Don't let it control you. Tell yourself that your body is nourished, it's not starving, and it needs to stop whining. Works for me. :)

Hey peeps, just checkin in to see how everybody's week has gone!

Right on track in my neck of the woods, knocked out today's workout and HSM is tomorrow. I have been trying not to think about it, but I am really looking forward to this one!

Keep it up, folks!

:)

haha I was just coming to check in on you guys too.

It's been a solid week and my workouts have just been great i always feel really good in the gym. I also played basketball today and I haven't ever moved this well or jumped this high which is making me happy about things over all. Anyway I'm just feeling in the swing of things at this point I think after day 9 it's just easier. Well I'm excited and hopefully these next couple of days go by well.

How are you guys doing? Everything going alright?

Doing good here, my wife just got home so I'm passing the baby to her so I can get my v-burn in before 7PM. Hot as HELL up here, good think I just installed an AC unit in the gym last weekend or I'd be hating life.

Solid meal was great - I had the Sirloin and Shrimp combo at Texas Roadhouse. Man, they do everything they can to make you fat.

V-Challenge today: 7 rounds in 28:33.

Beat last week's time by 5:30.

Measurements that show meaningful change:

Weight: 169.5 ( -3 this week, -8.5 total)
Waist, Navel: 33.5 (-1 this week, -2 total)
Waist, Beltline: 33.75 (-.25 this week, -.75 total)

The rest of the measurements are really close, probably within margin of error.

So it's going ok. I need to see more off my belt line. Gotta fit into my size 31 shorts by the end of this thing. And by fit, I mean no muffin tops!

Wow, you are killin the circuits. I managed to take about 2 minutes off (32:38) for 6 rounds, but I'm dying... I had to stop after the 4th again and catch my breath. Did I mention I hate cardio?

Two weeks down! Glad to see you all still going strong. I'm doing fine, myself, aside from some strange cravings. :D

Two weeks down! Glad to see you all still going strong. I'm doing fine, myself, aside from some strange cravings. :D

Honestly, I thought the cravings were going to be much worse. After the first few days, I'm glad to say that I haven't had any to speak of. Sure, I look forward to the HSM - but I was honestly pissed that my salad at Texas Roadhouse was littered with eggs, cheese, and croutons and not enough greens. :)

I'm REALLY starting to lean out in my stomach area, just pinched the inch and it's significantly smaller. :spaz: Down to 178.8.

Honestly, I thought the cravings were going to be much worse. After the first few days, I'm glad to say that I haven't had any to speak of. Sure, I look forward to the HSM - but I was honestly pissed that my salad at Texas Roadhouse was littered with eggs, cheese, and croutons and not enough greens. :)

I'm REALLY starting to lean out in my stomach area, just pinched the inch and it's significantly smaller. :spaz: Down to 178.8.

That is great man. That's the kind of thing that just spurs you on. It was great this morning when I put on a pair of jeans I haven't worn in a week and they were almost falling off of me. They were pretty snug when I started this thing.

Wish I could say the cravings aren't hitting me this week, but it's been the toughest week so far in that respect. Didn't have too many of those thoughts in weeks 1-2, but the last couple days, damn! No matter, though.

There doesn't seem to be enough controversy in this thread, so how about this:

I am thinking of ending phase I a couple days early. Will have company, starting a couple days before Mothers Day, and they always like to go to their favorite restaurants while visiting. If I do this, I will stick to the one HSM per day....just starting phase II a couple days early.

So what do you guys think? :lol:

I was going to end a day early (May 9th) for my buddy's wedding, but I decided I'll just make the HSM meal more of a cheat, probably won't make any difference with the v-burn the next day anyway. Two week transition (no cheats), then Memorial Day at the beach to show off the new bod. :)

Depending on how that goes, I may do the 10/10 again since I'll be primed for another killer Waterbury program. (and you get 2-3 cheats a week)

Hey guys so I have a strange question. I'm going to be staying up all night tonight (have a paper due tomorrow 9 pages and haven't started it yet), but I was just wondering if I should just continue doing a shake every 3 hours or how I should handle being up that late.

Also I ate some m&m's yesterday (chocolate and peanut) after my HSM, not really disappointed just figured I should come clean haha.

Hmm, that is a tough one. When are you planning to sleep? I would probably move a shake from the next day if you really need it. Since you'll be sitting at a desk (writing, I assume) you might be better off drinking some hunger buster tea. Also, I wouldn't bother working out if you aren't going to sleep that night.

M&Ms??!!!?!?!? What do you want more - a nice body with 6 pack abs, or a bag of M&Ms? I live less than 5 miles from Hershey, PA - if I can resist ANYONE can. When it rains, the chocolate smell is so intense that it's almost intoxicating. Forecast is rain for the next few days. :blank:

EDIT: BTW - that's $5 to the charity, if you are so inclined. :)

Hey guys so I have a strange question. I'm going to be staying up all night tonight (have a paper due tomorrow 9 pages and haven't started it yet), but I was just wondering if I should just continue doing a shake every 3 hours or how I should handle being up that late.


Sorry, I probably didn't see this in time. I was going to suggest that you spread out the protein in your shakes to more meals. About the same number of calories, but more meals. And then get some sleep when you are done! (if you can)

And maybe pop a Hot-Rox or 2 around 9pm if you are using them. :spaz: Just don't go over the 24-hour dose recommendation.

Sometimes I get an emergency request for work and I will need to go all night in the studio. I don't really know what I would do, because I don't usually know ahead of time, so I wouldn't be able to budget the day's shakes before. Luckily, that hasn't happened yet while I have been on the V-Diet. I would probably just add a scoop of protein every few hours I was up.

Last night went over well I just ended up having a breakfast shake early and then I was on schedule cause I was able to take a nap.

I have a question about sugar-free products. Diet snapple or Diet green tea comes as having 0 calories and just some sodium and sugar free gums contain some sugar alcohol or something I believe. Are those ok to have on the diet? I'm not big on either, but I just realized they have 0 calories yesterday and it would be nice to be able to get some flavor in my mouth once in a while.

Last night went over well I just ended up having a breakfast shake early and then I was on schedule cause I was able to take a nap.

I have a question about sugar-free products. Diet snapple or Diet green tea comes as having 0 calories and just some sodium and sugar free gums contain some sugar alcohol or something I believe. Are those ok to have on the diet? I'm not big on either, but I just realized they have 0 calories yesterday and it would be nice to be able to get some flavor in my mouth once in a while.

Good to hear...

I think the diet stuff is ok as long as you don't go crazy with it. I have a Pepsi Max with lunch sometimes, and I put splenda in my shakes. MD protein has aspartame in it, so you are already getting some sugar substitute anyway.

Hey guys figured get a post in and see how you guys are doing. Everythings going well on my end except I weighed myself again this morning (day 18) and I'm at 147 which is only a 7.8 lbs drop from when I started idk if that's something to be concerned about. I think I'm looking better in the mirror and I don't have a way to calculate bf so I'm not sure about that.

Well guys only a couple days left good luck with everything hope you guys are doing well.

you all are doing great!! almost to the end.

are you going to post start/end pics??

Week 3 V-Burn: 7 rounds in 23:11

Good news: I beat last week's time by 4:22, and week 1 by 10:49.
Bad news: I gotta try to do it faster next week.

I am glad I used my rock-in-glass method to count the circuits...otherwise I would have questioned the validity of this time.

Significant measurement changes this week:

Weight: -1.7lbs, total -10.2
Waist, navel: -.5in, total -2.5
Waist, belt: -.5in, total -1.3
Hips: -.5, total -1
RightUpperArm: -.25, total -.25

Not too worried about the right arm measurement, probably just a little flat. Strength has been ok, better than when I've done other fat loss programs, so I'm not going to dwell on it.

I now fit comfortably into my size 32 board shorts with no muffin-top, which is intermediate goal number one. Next goal is to fit comfortably into the 31's.

Hopefully things pick up a little this week, I'm itching to get rid of the lower back flab and to see my obliques come in better.

you all are doing great!! almost to the end.

are you going to post start/end pics??

Hey! :)

I will post pics sometime around day 28, and probably also at the end of the transition period.

Hey guys figured get a post in and see how you guys are doing. Everythings going well on my end except I weighed myself again this morning (day 18) and I'm at 147 which is only a 7.8 lbs drop from when I started idk if that's something to be concerned about. I think I'm looking better in the mirror and I don't have a way to calculate bf so I'm not sure about that.

Well guys only a couple days left good luck with everything hope you guys are doing well.

I wouldn't be concerned with scale weight, as long as you are doing everything by the book. From what I've seen, changes can be sporadic week to week. Keep up the good work!

Hey! :)

I will post pics sometime around day 28, and probably also at the end of the transition period.

I didn't take any pics from the start, but I'l post some of the ending. :)

I think its going to be an interesting comparison from the end of the 10/10 transformation and the end of SGX. It's still not going to be rippled abs, I'm afraid, so I've still got more cutting to do but I'm closer now than ever.

Still hovering around 178.8-179.2, no net weight change last week.

Haha less than a week to go guys and I'm excited and now I'm also slighty scared I'm going to put on some bad weight after the transition period :-/. With the start of summer and seeing all my high school friends I know we're just going to be killin' it all summer, but I just have to know I will be able to resists the bad choices.

Anyway I'm definitely happy with the way things are going so far and with another week left just excited for some final results

I have been feeling extra tired lately and I'm just wondering if you guys know or have heard of something like this happening towards the end. I mean I have never really felt tired on the vdiet until the last couple of days I've been pretty exhausted and with finals this week and next I can't really risk it. I'm not sure but I plan to have my 4th HSM on thursday(day 23) and then I may start transition early (day 27). Do you think starting 2 days early will make a big difference in results? I started the vdiet on a wed., but I'd like to start transition on a monday.

Also, sorry for the long post, but what are your plans for after vdiet/transition? I mean I'll probably be around low 140s at 5'6" and hopefully around 14% bf (right now between online calculators and guestimates I put myself at 16%) so I'm thinking of clean bulking any good ideas on programs I should implement or do you think I should keep cutting?

Well guys best of luck to all of you just a couple more days. I know we're all going to make it so congrats and thanks for the support/help/encouragement/ everything guys it wouldn't have been as easy doing it alone.

I have been feeling extra tired lately and I'm just wondering if you guys know or have heard of something like this happening towards the end.

I'm definitely not feeling 100% this week. But with only 5 days left, I think I can push through it. I can understand your concern with finals. I've experienced some mental sluggishness during the whole VDiet. But you're the only one that can decide what's best for you to do.

We're in the home stretch!

Yeah, I must agree--I haven't been the sharpest tack the last few weeks either. And I have been pretty sluggish and tired. I've just pushed on the best I can.

I don't think 2 days would make a big difference in the immediate physical results. How it affects your bigger picture is another question, and only you can answer that.

I was thinking about starting my transition a couple days early, but then changed my mind. It would have been convenient, but I have been perfect so far, so I don't want to mess up my record. But I'm anal that way, heh. Also, for me, there is the issue of sticking to the whole damn thing. I promised myself when I started I would do 28 days, so 28 days is what I get. Others may not see it that way, which is fine of course.

However, I don't necessarily consider the transition to be quite as sacred. At this point, I am planning to follow it pretty damn closely. But I may slip a couple extra HSM's into the first week if I need to have lunch out or something. Definitely no 'cheat foods' for me, though.

I'm the exact opposite... I am more alert, more awake, and more focused then ever. My craving are completely gone and I'm thinking about the transition diet more and more. I'm going to be doing the HSM as PWO#2 (eye of round steak, white potato or rice pasta, salad, and veggies) on workout days - might as well make the most of the carbs. On non-WO, i'll be having my HSM at lunch, and carbs will be from fruit and greek yogurt.

I'm starting the 10/10 transformation on 5/26 (cheat meal planned with Phillydude before the Carbon Leaf concert), which I may do an extra week of cut (going to the beach for the 4th) and then continue.

Diceman, beware the temptations to go back to your old eating habits. Your body will repay you with a ton of stored fat. Use the v-diet as a catalyst to a healthier way of eating. Go out with your friends, but make healthier choices. If you eat 90% clean all week long, a cheat here and there won't derail you. Agree you need to look at bulking, but no sense in putting on fat you'll only need to cut off later.

I should add--

I think the main reason I have felt a bit off is because of the Hot-Rox. When the effects wear off in the early evening, I always feel much better. They really seemed to speed up the fat loss four years ago, so I wanted to be sure to use them this time. I guess I just don't get along with the stuff as well as I used to.

Without the Hot-Rox, I would probably be a bit hungry, but I wouldn't feel so run down from feeling crappy all the time. Who knows--in the end, maybe it would have been better for me to leave them out this time.

I'm going to be doing the HSM as PWO#2 (eye of round steak, white potato or rice pasta, salad, and veggies) on workout days - might as well make the most of the carbs.


Hey Billy, a question for you if you don't mind--

I have seen you mention the rice pasta a couple times, and find it interesting that you are talking about using it and white potatoes for your PWO2 carbs. I'm interested, is there someone or a program you have picked that up from?

I know it's good to have some carbs in that meal, and it's another window to raise insulin a bit because the muscles should still be receptive and the carbs aren't as likely to get stored as fat. I'm just interested in the fact that your choices are higher on the GI scale.

I'm not trying to bait you or anything, I am genuinely interested--if there is a way I can integrate some rice noodles into my healthy eating plan without feeling like I am 'fudging' things a little, I want to know the source behind it! :drool: :D

Mastover recommended the eye of round and white potato as the only PWO meal (he doesn't necessarily believe your PWO has to be a protein/carb shake). The second PWO idea is from my days on SGX, I just combined them - I really don't like being low carb (to me that's less than 150g a day) so this combines the two ideas.

The rice pasta I get is organic and made from brown rice flour - it's no different than eating brown rice except it picks up flavors much better (and cooks faster)

It's somewhat an experiment, so it may flop - never hurts to try it for a few weeks and see what happens tho.

Mastover recommended the eye of round and white potato as the only PWO meal (he doesn't necessarily believe your PWO has to be a protein/carb shake). The second PWO idea is from my days on SGX, I just combined them - I really don't like being low carb (to me that's less than 150g a day) so this combines the two ideas.

The rice pasta I get is organic and made from brown rice flour - it's no different than eating brown rice except it picks up flavors much better (and cooks faster)

It's somewhat an experiment, so it may flop - never hurts to try it for a few weeks and see what happens tho.

I see, thank you.

Hey Billy I was just reading about the 10/10 transformation and I noticed that you seemed to have completed this and mentioned you were going to be doing it again.

I'm assuming since you're doing it again you like the program. I noticed last time you went into the program after a bulk, but since you've been cutting with us on the Vdiet how do you plan on starting, are you going to continue cutting? I'm looking into the 10/10 transformation just because it seems like a good way to put some muscle on me, but considering I'm going to be 140lbs at this end of this I am concerned about dropping my weight lower than that. Do you think it's the type of program I should bulk for? Is it possible to just start in phase II and complete the program?

**Edit** I didn't mean to just have Billy's input if any one else has any information on the subject please feel free to reply :-).

Hey Billy I was just reading about the 10/10 transformation and I noticed that you seemed to have completed this and mentioned you were going to be doing it again.

I'm assuming since you're doing it again you like the program. I noticed last time you went into the program after a bulk, but since you've been cutting with us on the Vdiet how do you plan on starting, are you going to continue cutting? I'm looking into the 10/10 transformation just because it seems like a good way to put some muscle on me, but considering I'm going to be 140lbs at this end of this I am concerned about dropping my weight lower than that. Do you think it's the type of program I should bulk for? Is it possible to just start in phase II and complete the program?

**Edit** I didn't mean to just have Billy's input if any one else has any information on the subject please feel free to reply :-).


Hmm, in your case, I'd probably reverse the cycles and bulk first. The v-diet for me was just to kick my cut into gear, not as the only cut. The 10/10 eating and workout plan should mesh pretty well - it's pretty low calorie, even in the bulk, and there's no real measuring. Not to mention 2 cheats on cut weeks, and 3 on bulks. :)

So, you think if I do the cycles in bulk, cut, bulk, cut it'll give me the same affect. How do you think just straight bulking to 150 and then starting the program will work? I wish I had on more muscle over winter :-/, bulking in summer makes me feel like I'm defeating the purpose haha.

Anyway just so I don't high jack this thread only a few days guys....how are we not all in here posting pictures of the scrumptious HSM we are going to consume during transition or at least discussing our future endeavors.

It's been an interesting run and it'll be great to transition back into a normal healthy lifestyle, I hope you guys are seeing great results and I look forward to our before and after pics :-).

I'm interested in trying the Velocity Diet Version 3.0 that just came out, but the supplement aspect of the program is such a bunch of complete and utter bullshit. They expect me to buy over $500 worth of supplements from them or else the diet supposedly won't yield results. What a joke. I'm thinking of just giving it a try and incorporating my own modifications in terms of supplementation.

I'm interested in trying the Velocity Diet Version 3.0 that just came out, but the supplement aspect of the program is such a bunch of complete and utter bullshit.

:) I'm a pretty big skeptic, but I'm not sure I would go quite that far.

I do believe that the main reason this diet exists is to promote the sale of their supplements, and to create lifelong customers. And I don't think you could get Shugart to honestly deny those facts.

Having said that, I have used many brands of protein powder and other supplements, including the ones advertised on this site, and I do believe Biotest to be the highest quality by far. Your mileage may vary, of course.

Their stuff is expensive. I went with their recommended supplements for my V-Diet for 2 reasons: my opinion of the quality, and the convenience. I may be the only one in this current JSF challenge to have used 100% of the recommended supplements, so you can substitute other products and get great results. I just didn't have the time or desire to do that.

Good luck if you decide to do it! Depending on where you're at and your goals, it may or may not be a good fit. I have seen quick results, and I'm sure they will stick. But I'm not sure it was worth what I went through for a month. I have had great results with other programs that took a little longer but were less extreme and easier to live with.

I will probably post a more detailed review later.

:) I'm a pretty big skeptic, but I'm not sure I would go quite that far.

I do believe that the main reason this diet exists is to promote the sale of their supplements, and to create lifelong customers. And I don't think you could get Shugart to honestly deny those facts.

Having said that, I have used many brands of protein powder and other supplements, including the ones advertised on this site, and I do believe Biotest to be the highest quality by far. Your mileage may vary, of course.

Their stuff is expensive. I went with their recommended supplements for my V-Diet for 2 reasons: my opinion of the quality, and the convenience. I may be the only one in this current JSF challenge to have used 100% of the recommended supplements, so you can substitute other products and get great results. I just didn't have the time or desire to do that.

Good luck if you decide to do it! Depending on where you're at and your goals, it may or may not be a good fit. I have seen quick results, and I'm sure they will stick. But I'm not sure it was worth what I went through for a month. I have had great results with other programs that took a little longer but were less extreme and easier to live with.

I will probably post a more detailed review later.
I've seen the diet and it looks like it would definitely work. The thing is with their latest version they had this thing where you type in your height, weight, age, etc. and they compile a supplement stack for you. It came out to $556. Then they proceed to tell you why you have to follow the supplementation that they recommend to a tee. That's where I call bs.

The Get Shredded Diet looks just as effective without the user being recommended to spend crazy amounts on supps.

Get Shredded Diet (http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_diet_mass/the_get_shredded_diet)

The Get Shredded Diet looks just as effective without the user being recommended to spend crazy amounts on supps.

Get Shredded Diet (http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_diet_mass/the_get_shredded_diet)


I tried the GSD for a week a while back. I couldn't hack it. I had never wanted Carbs so much in my life! I was moody all the time and tired as hell. I did it with all the supps.

That's where I call bs.

The Get Shredded Diet looks just as effective without the user being recommended to spend crazy amounts on supps.


Then do Get Shredded and start a challenge thread for it.

Nobody said you don't have a right to your opinion. Good luck.

I do know this--if I was 17 and knew what I know now, I would be putting all that teenage testosterone to work building muscle instead of worrying about ultra-strict fat loss plans. Unless I was bordering on obese or something, I would focus on other ways of losing fat if I was a little chubby.

So, unless I'm counting wrong, today is the final day for those of us that started on April 13th, right? Woohoo! :dance:

Yeah, Pete - I wouldn't even consider doing the v-diet, in fact I think your age disqualifies you anyway, but I could be wrong.

Yep - finished up today. :) I owe $5 for my 'cheat' at the wedding. I planned it that way, so i wasn't really a cheat - however it's a good cause so I'm happy to do it.

My official weight this morning is 175.0, total loss of 14lbs. I've still got a small amount of pudge that I hope goes away with the two weeks of transition.

I'd like to express my thanks to all that took part in the challenge - it was so much easier doing it with the group and I hope we can hook up some more challenges. Can't believe its over! :)

My official weight this morning is 175.0, total loss of 14lbs. I've still got a small amount of pudge that I hope goes away with the two weeks of transition.

Billy, that's very decent fat loss for 28 days:nod:

well done , all of you, for completing the VD and good luck with the transition phase:claphigh:

I won't bore you with every statistic, but here are the noteworthy changes:

Weight went from 178 to 165, for a loss of 13 pounds.

Waist at navel went down 3 inches.

Waist at beltline went down 1 inch.

Arms, legs, no significant change.

shoulders, chest, up just a little (could be measuring inconsistencies).

The end pictures show much more definition and I am almost where I want to be in terms of fat loss. I still have a little more to lose around the midsection. My 32-inch board shorts now fit pretty loose, and my goal is to fit comfortably into my 31's with no male muffin-top spillover.

In terms of changes in food tastes and cravings, this is difficult to describe. I have experienced some major changes, but not quite how I expected. I can still remember how all those sugary foods taste, and I am not repulsed in the least by the thought. But I don't want to eat that stuff at all. I do crave healthier foods now. It's hard to put into words, but maybe more than my tastes changing, my perspective has changed. It is very real, just difficult to describe.

I am debating on posting the pictures until after the transition. If there is some improvement in the next couple weeks, I would rather just have one set of pics to post. I might like to work in a few tanning sessions before posting more pics too, heh.

The only deviation I had was when I needed to stop one of my Wednesday workouts for fear of a possible quad injury. But after a day of stretching I was able to finish that workout the next day and consumed half of a serving of Surge after.

Overall, I would say that this program is very good when you really need to lose some fat as quickly as possible without losing muscle. It was challenging, and generally uncomfortable. I know I am going to keep the fat off, in part because I don't want to do the V-Diet again!

I have had just as good results from other things I have done. In 2007 I rolled my own plan with healthy foods and some Waterbury training and I did just as well, but it took longer.

My transition will be pretty much by the book, with an extra HSM thrown in here or there if it makes sense. I am going to continue to lose fat until I reach my goal. Then I will probably let my body stabilize a little before I start putting on some mass while keeping in mind Shugart's Former Fat Boy principles.

Like Billy, I want to thank everyone who was involved with the challenge. The social aspect of this diet is key to compliance and success.

I'd like to express my thanks to all that took part in the challenge - it was so much easier doing it with the group and I hope we can hook up some more challenges. Can't believe its over! :)

Thank you, Billy, for getting this started and keeping us going.

Like Billy, I want to thank everyone who was involved with the challenge. The social aspect of this diet is key to compliance and success.

Totally. :nod: Thanks to all of you for contributing your struggles and successes. It made a world of difference knowing I wasn't in this alone.

I'm down 19 pounds as of this morning. Clearly, some of that will come back with a return to solid food. But my clothes are fitting better. My lifts, aside from squats, improved or maintained. And I had just hit a squat PR before starting this, so I'm not surprised I couldn't keep that going with reduced calories.

Pros:
Mindless cutting - no thinking required
Rapid results
Clean kitchen

Cons:
Brain fog
Some stomach discomfort
Monotony

I certainly wouldn't recommend this diet for everyone. But it is a good way to break some bad habits and change the way you think about food.

Interestingly enough, my weight is up substantially but I look and feel leaner. I had a huge salad for lunch, with about 3 oz of chicken and a hardboiled egg, and my PWO2 was 6oz of eye of round and 1/2c rice with a ton of veggies. I absolutely killed the workout - the 40 rep chinups were no problem at all, in fact I'll probably weight them next week. I did dips with a 45lb plate, which is 20 lb more than I was using during the diet.


If anything, I feel energized to continue my cut - the end of my 'transformation' is in sight, nearly two years later. :spaz:

Any of you gentlemen have before and after pics? Congrats on making it a month. The fat loss #s certainly are impressive!! :tu:

Hey guys so I do have before and after pics and I've also got some number sI want to share (unfortunately the scale I've been weighing myself with isn't here anymore so my final number maybe off :-/) I've had finals this week so the last 2 days of shakes have been hard, 4 hours of sleep in 48 hours :-/, but i haven't deviated. I'm afraid my after pictures may look bad because I just haven't slept in a while, but i"ll upload them and post everything with numbers later.

Any of you gentlemen have before and after pics? Congrats on making it a month. The fat loss #s certainly are impressive!! :tu:

I took after pics, and they show some good progress. But I am waiting to post any pics until after the transition is done. So in about a week and a half I plan to take some more shots and put them up.

Hey guys I'm doing the transition workout and realized there are no squats in it at all save the vburn challenge. Do you guys find this to be a problem at all?

Hey guys I'm doing the transition workout and realized there are no squats in it at all save the vburn challenge. Do you guys find this to be a problem at all?

Are you doing the intermediate workouts? I just took a peek at them, and it looks like the intermediate program has reverse lunges and deadlifts in the transition.

I wouldn't be concerned about that one bit.

Are you doing the intermediate workouts? I just took a peek at them, and it looks like the intermediate program has reverse lunges and deadlifts in the transition.

I wouldn't be concerned about that one bit.

Nope, it's fine. If you are picking the correct weights with the RDL and lunges, you'll be fine without squats for a bit. I don't know what Chad has against back squats, but they aren't in many of his programs.

I can't believe that I'm still losing weight at a pretty good clip - I went from 178 on my last day of the vdit to 175.1 on the morning after a bunch of alcohol (dehydration I'm sure), then back to 179 the day after chugging a ton of water. This morning I'm at 176.2 and really leaning out.

My goal is not to undo my progress this weekend at the beach, but I'll be right back on the horse come Monday. I usually end up walking everywhere anyway...

Hey Billy, glad to hear you are still moving in the right direction.

Have you followed the transition guidelines strictly (well, except for the alcohol)? I started adding a second HSM sooner than the 2nd week; I think it was Thursday. Everything has been 100% squeaky-clean, and my calories have been just a couple hundred over V-Diet levels per day. 1600 calories on non-training days, 2000 on training days.

I gained the expected couple pounds back the first few days of the transition, and have gained about 1.5 since then. So I'm up 3.5 pounds from the end of the 28-days. This is a good thing, I am always happy to see the scale go up as long as my waistline isn't.

But I haven't been leaning out any more, which is what I want to do right now. I need to lose another inch around each of my midsection measurements, and it just ain't happening at the moment. My first instinct is just to keep going like I am, and let my body continue to adjust.

Any thoughts or suggestions? :)

Hey Billy, glad to hear you are still moving in the right direction.

Have you followed the transition guidelines strictly (well, except for the alcohol)? I started adding a second HSM sooner than the 2nd week; I think it was Thursday. Everything has been 100% squeaky-clean, and my calories have been just a couple hundred over V-Diet levels per day. 1600 calories on non-training days, 2000 on training days.

I gained the expected couple pounds back the first few days of the transition, and have gained about 1.5 since then. So I'm up 3.5 pounds from the end of the 28-days. This is a good thing, I am always happy to see the scale go up as long as my waistline isn't.

But I haven't been leaning out any more, which is what I want to do right now. I need to lose another inch around each of my midsection measurements, and it just ain't happening at the moment. My first instinct is just to keep going like I am, and let my body continue to adjust.

Any thoughts or suggestions? :)

I had a humongous cheat breakfast on Sunday morning, but I've been doing tons of yardwork and such.. other than that, mostly veggies and lean meats and a small amount of complex carbs if I do a weight workout.

Who knows, maybe I need a huge cheat meal. Maybe I should do even less shakes, too. I have been pretty active, like you.

Well, I'll probably just keep going like I am for the rest of this week and see what happens.

I am debating on posting the pictures until after the transition. If there is some improvement in the next couple weeks, I would rather just have one set of pics to post. I might like to work in a few tanning sessions before posting more pics too, heh.


you all are doing great!! almost to the end.

are you going to post start/end pics??

Hey! :)

I will post pics sometime around day 28, and probably also at the end of the transition period.

I didn't take any pics from the start, but I'l post some of the ending. :)


I'm afraid my after pictures may look bad because I just haven't slept in a while, but i"ll upload them and post everything with numbers later.

Any of you gentlemen have before and after pics? Congrats on making it a month. The fat loss #s certainly are impressive!! :tu:

I took after pics, and they show some good progress. But I am waiting to post any pics until after the transition is done. So in about a week and a half I plan to take some more shots and put them up.

:whistle::whistle::whistle:

i don't think we ever saw pics from any of you guys.

teases!! :curses:

;)

:whistle::whistle::whistle:

i don't think we ever saw pics from any of you guys.

teases!! :curses:

;)

:doh: I think I took some while I was at the beach, I'll see if wifey has them on the camera and post them. If not, I'll take some next weekend when I'm down there again.

I just wish I could put on weight as easy as I can take it off. :rolleyes:

So after some consideration I started the v-diet this past Sunday. It's day 6 and so far so good! Only difficult thing is I'm heading up north to visit my g/f and it's going to be interesting trying to explain to her what I'm doing. haha. Last week on friday I weighed 184 and was at 14.9% bodyfat on the omron device. Today, even though it's only been 5 1/2 days, I'm currently at 177 and bodyfat % is at 14.4%. Not bad! I'm going to be gone for two days and will be back on Sunday but I'll update on how things went. I specifically started on Sunday so that my one meal falls on a Saturday. I think I'm going to have either some chicken with veggies or a steak with veggies. MMmmm sounds good. Such a reward for being so good. It's going to be difficult two weeks later only because I'm going to be gone for a 4 day weekend instead of 2 (week prior to Labor day).

Hang in there. :)