http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mmEJLpM7Lg

like go forward then pullur body back with the cable or do you just stay and lean back and pull the cable back towrds you

A little bit of upper body movement is OK, but that guy looks like he is going a bit overboard. I mean, on a few reps, his ass comes off the ground by about a foot!

Not unless you're on a boat.

Not where I come from. Pull slowly from arms length taking about 2 seconds, try to touch shoulder blades together at end then return to arms length in 2 sec. That guy lets the weight (too much for him) control him, he is a passenger on the boat. He can do it only with momentum. :cool:

the guy doing these looks in pretty damn good shape too me..he must have some idea of what hes doing.

some form of "cheat" rows too break through a sticking point?

the guy doing these looks in pretty damn good shape too me..he must have some idea of what hes doing.

some form of "cheat" rows too break through a sticking point?

Some people that "look in good shape" may not have got there using the exception to the rule. It could be a number of other reasons. I have seen people that looked good, who never exercised or picked up a barbell. So should we tell anyone seeking advice on form and exercise to do anyway they can. Or is there a correct form to use for safe and best results for the average person?

I don't know if that was the poster on the video or he just looked for one that did it the way he like to and that was as close as he could find on youtube.:cool:

Some people that "look in good shape" may not have got there using the exception to the rule. It could be a number of other reasons. I have seen people that looked good, who never exercised or picked up a barbell. So should we tell anyone seeking advice on form and exercise to do anyway they can. Or is there a correct form to use for safe and best results for the average person?

I don't know if that was the poster on the video or he just looked for one that did it the way he like to and that was as close as he could find on youtube.:cool:

i totaly agree rtestes, sorry i didnt mean it like that. as too the acctual topic question (what i should have kept in mind!) is that the right way too row..i think its fair too say a resounding no! thats not how you row with proper form.

but is there a place for using that kind of tecnique anytime ever for rowing? the shape the guy was in made me wonder if its all planned, and was the rowing equivelent too a cheat barbell curl.

but is there a place for using that kind of tecnique anytime ever for rowing? the shape the guy was in made me wonder if its all planned, and was the rowing equivelent too a cheat barbell curl.
I don't know if you noticed but he's rowing the whole stack of plates. I don't think he's trying to break any sort of sticking point. It looks to me like he's just trying to show he can row the whole stack even though that's not correct rowing form. If he rowed the correct way he probably couldn't do half that weight.

In this video from Pumping Iron at 1:15 you see Arnold row in a similar fashion but still his butt doesn't leave the bench. He is rowing rounding his back a lot though which doesn't look to good for your lower back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my6IroYcyEI

ok cool thanks guys
and no its not me in that video i just youtubed a video on how to row just to see proper form and came across this

Anyways what bodyparts does rowing help...I know arms and stuff but is it good for the back as well?

Anyways what bodyparts does rowing help...I know arms and stuff but is it good for the back as well?
It does work your arms some but rows are used as a back execise.

I don't know if you noticed but he's rowing the whole stack of plates. I don't think he's trying to break any sort of sticking point. It looks to me like he's just trying to show he can row the whole stack even though that's not correct rowing form. If he rowed the correct way he probably couldn't do half that weight.

In this video from Pumping Iron at 1:15 you see Arnold row in a similar fashion but still his butt doesn't leave the bench. He is rowing rounding his back a lot though which doesn't look to good for your lower back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my6IroYcyEI

hmmm acctualy i didnt notice that!..kinda remind me back when i was 16 doing something similar with the pec deck at he school gym :lol:

He's doing a fair amount of cheating. It's ego stroking. If he got a lot stricter, the weight would drop quite a bit.

If he's doing that for maximum power (moving as much weight with as much body involvement as he can muster) I guess this might be acceptable. His quads probably got a hell of a workout from that back/arm exercise.

If he's doing the exercise for aesthetic (bodybuilding) results, I'm betting he could probably achieve a better result by making it harder and removing the momentum. the weight will drop but the target areas will benefit more.

All depends what he is trying to accomplish there.

I agree, its an ego exercise, i see it happening in the gym alot, hes using his weight also hes using his legs on an a machine that is design for upper body not lower body.

His ass on the seat, his back straight and he would struggle to lift that amount of weight.


And that is in no way shape or form rowing boat technique, rowing is 80-90% leg power and he is mainly using upper body strenght.


Oh, and thats NOT a rowing machine!!

sorry whats it called?

i must be mistaken

I agree, its an ego exercise, i see it happening in the gym alot, hes using his weight also hes using his legs on an a machine that is design for upper body not lower body.

His ass on the seat, his back straight and he would struggle to lift that amount of weight.


And that is in no way shape or form rowing boat technique, rowing is 80-90% leg power and he is mainly using upper body strenght.

You've seen people try to use their legs like that on a fixed cable machine in your gym? In about five years of lifting at multiple gyms, I haven't once encountered someone who tried to use it like that. Obviously, that is not the proper technique to row a boat, but it's much closer to that than the conventional use of the machine. This video goes well beyond what is normally termed "cheating" for that machine's conventional use. As far as I've noted, the inclination is always to merely bend at the waist on the conventional exercise, which is why I stand by the assertion that he must be taking cues from the use of a real rowing machine. Whatever the case though, we can agree that it's clearly not the correct use of that machine. :)

sorry whats it called?

i must be mistaken
It's usually called a cable row station or machine.

Rowing machine usually refers to the cardio apparatuses.

gotcha thanks a lot guys