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med267
July 11th, 2008, 02:52 AM
Busted again *
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/blog/2008/07/09/plagiarism-part-2/

Big_D
July 11th, 2008, 03:03 AM
Wow, tsk tsk

Sent
July 12th, 2008, 12:19 AM
I stopped reading his stuff a while ago, lol I made a good decision it seems

kribrg
July 12th, 2008, 03:46 PM
Bad Business

bradh
July 12th, 2008, 11:44 PM
Pretty sad, i doubt i'll be giving most of the "gurus" anymore money. Especially expensive digital products.

HevyMetal
July 13th, 2008, 03:11 PM
When was the first time he got busted?

Timbermiko
July 15th, 2008, 10:55 AM
I know a guy who works for a *guru* problem is that most of what he learned was from our strength coach...yet gives the *guru* credit.

stallion16
July 16th, 2008, 01:49 AM
If this is true, that was an idiotic move on Cosgrove's part. He is destroying his own credibility here.

1FastGTX
July 16th, 2008, 04:20 PM
This is an interesting update:
Here's a post by TC on T-Nation:
Guys,
Never practice contempt prior to investigation.
Here are the emails between Alwyn and Lyle concerning this allegation:

Lyle,
I want to address your public accusation of plagiarism and set the record straight.
You may not recall but the chapter in question originally began life as a client handout - and then appeared in my what was tentatively titled Afterburn II and subsequently became two products - Afterburn II (workouts) and the "Real World Fat Loss" Manual.
This was after prior agreement with you via email (see attached emails below).
The chapter is found in the Real World Fat Loss (RWFL) Manual on pages 16-20. The chapter actually ends at the bottom of page 19. On page 20 of the manual the following text appears:
Quote:
(This chapter has been highly influenced by the work of Lyle McDonald and is essentially a very brief summary of his Fat Metabolism chapter in "The Ultimate Diet 2.0. I'd like to thank Lyle for his help both personally and professionally and his contributions to this field. I strongly urge you to check out Lyle's website �?? www.bodyrecomposition.net (http://www.bodyrecomposition.net)).
When we reprinted this chapter from the RWFL manual into the Warp Speed Fat Loss product, the above paragraph was inadvertently omitted.
This oversight was rectified immediately when this was brought to my attention.
I want to reiterate that this was always listed as a summary of your chapter - never passed off as my work.
The fact that the acknowledging paragraph was not included in WSFL was a huge oversight on my part, and I would have corrected it and rectified it with anyone who had purchased it immediately had you or anyone else simply brought this to my attention. I am deeply sorry about that omission.
It was not my intention to not give proper credit, but it was my responsibility and I failed in that, and I want to make it publicly known that I fault no one but myself for that error.
I would be happy to speak with you about this further if you want to give me a call.
--
Alwyn Cosgrove
Above referenced email exchange:
From Alwyn Cosgrove
To Lyle McDonald
Date Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 8:45 PM

I'm also working on Afterburn II.
I am going to put in a chapter on fat metabolism.
To be honest it will be a short summary - nothing in depth.
However your chapter in UD2.0 has influenced me the most, to the point where I'd feel uncomfortable not saying that directly in the text.
basically the chapter will be primarily a summary of your chapter plus a few others (your chapter is 2200 words, the summary is about 600- 750).
In other words I want to credit you directly in that chapter.
So how do you prefer it was referenced - direct to you and your site, or direct to the book?

AC

Reply:

From Lyle McDonald
To Alwyn Cosgrove
Date Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 8:53 PM

Yes (all three)
--
Lyle

My Reply:
From Alwyn Cosgrove
To Lyle McDonald
Date Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 8:58 PM
mailed-by gmail.com
On 8/14/06, Lyle McDonald wrote:
>>So how do you prefer it was referenced - direct to you and your
>>site, or direct to the book?
>Yes (all three)

Gotcha.
AC

champien speller
July 17th, 2008, 05:20 AM
**

med267
August 17th, 2008, 10:51 PM
This is a very dead horse, but it seems to me why not quote the text verbatim instead of changing the connecting phrases between the main points if you already have permission. Copying an email exchange by a guy who is pals with Cosgrove seems like a weak defense. Plus Cosgrove's client list is really unimpressive. New Rules of Lifting was the other book where his material showed up uncredited for those interested.

I would follow the great readily available advice available from Grimek, Gironda, Clarence Bass, John Stone & countless other people on the net who walk the walk. My beef with Cosgrove is that he writes everywhere & there is minimal evidence he knows what he is talking about when it comes to training.

Sorry to keep beating this topic, but maybe it will save some new guys & girls a few bucks, because those info products aint cheap.

Timbermiko
August 20th, 2008, 09:54 AM
hehe, the guy I know working for the "guru" used to look a hell of a lot better and was a hell of lot stronger before he went to work for him.