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Aleister bates
Sun, June 22nd, 2008, 11:40 AM
My energy level as of late is way down and i suspect my testosterone level may be low,i have a friend that works at the local pharmacy whom reccomended DHEA.Has anyone here tried this product??Supposedly its a natural booster and i need all i can get.your thoughts please.:confused:

Doubleoqueso
Sun, June 22nd, 2008, 12:35 PM
I did some researching into hormone manipulation and everything I found made it seem like a pretty bad idea. DHEA isn't exactly an anabolic steroid, but it is a prohormone and will affect your bodies natural hormone balance.

How does your diet look? Do you take a multivitamin? Get a lot of veggies? You've got 60 pounds over me and less bodyfat, and I eat over a pound of veggies a day.

There are a lot of better ways to more energy than messing with your hormones.

Aleister bates
Sun, June 22nd, 2008, 01:18 PM
i take centrum performance,l carnatine,cinnamon tabs and vinegar tabs.i eat plenty of veggies and consume bout 2.5 galons of water daily.my diet is in check...just feel worn out al the time,something has gotta work.Supposedly Dhea gives you energy outta the arse and thats what im in dire need of.

profdlp
Sun, June 22nd, 2008, 04:43 PM
Here is another take on the DHEA question.

I started taking it about eighteen months ago. I pretty much stuck to the recommended 25mg dose indicated on the pill bottle. Then I read a study (from a large university in the US; sorry, I can't remember off the top of my head which one) which said they were giving athletes up to 1,500mg a day of the stuff with great results. I noticed that a lot of bodybuilding sites sold it in 200mg quantities, so I compromised and bumped my intake to 100mg per day. It seemed to be helpful. By "helpful", I mean the first thing I noticed was a significant increase in libido. (Insert obligatory "not that I needed any help with that, thank you very much" comment here) :lol:. Since the DHEA is supposed to help raise your natural testosterone levels, I figured that was it was doing the job.

Six months after I started taking it I simultaneously started losing weight (mostly fat it seemed) and feeling somewhat weak while working out. The weight loss stopped about twenty pounds later (I wasn't complaining, since I was still fairly muscular and was much leaner), but the tiredness got worse. The eventual trip to the doctor resulted in a diagnosis of Grave's Disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graves-Basedow_disease).

After being shuttled off to an Endocrinologist, he recommended that I have my thyroid nuked and begin supplemental thyroid hormone therapy. I am still in the process of slowly adjusting my thyroid hormone levels into the "normal" range.

Here's the kicker:

You're probably thinking by now that the doctor told me that I had brought this all on myself by taking the DHEA. When I pointedly asked him about this he laughed and told me that if I was looking to blame someone I should blame my parents. He further said that 100mg of DHEA was no big deal, though I shouldn't expect any miracles from it.

The point of this rather long-winded post? I still have some doubt in my mind about it, but there is also at least one (fairly eminent) Endocrinologist in the world who would assure you that reasonable doses are quite safe. This guy is a big shot with the Cleveland Clinic (http://my.clevelandclinic.org/default.aspx) and I do respect his opinion. You may wish to consult your own doctor before trying it, though I'd advise you to remember that many doctors are totally negative about any supplements at all. If he's one of those types who act like you're nuts for taking a multivitamin, then you probably shouldn't even bother. (Or better yet, ask a different doctor who takes a more balanced approach to that sort of thing.)

Doubleoqueso
Sun, June 22nd, 2008, 06:01 PM
i take centrum performance,l carnatine,cinnamon tabs and vinegar tabs.i eat plenty of veggies and consume bout 2.5 galons of water daily.my diet is in check...just feel worn out al the time,something has gotta work.Supposedly Dhea gives you energy outta the arse and thats what im in dire need of.

That's a crazy amount of water. Your in "water poisoning" territory with that much. You'd be fine with a gallon a day, at most. Maybe a little morning caffiene, or some extra sleep.

If you go for the DHEA, let us know how it works for you. I found something that worked really well for me (though I've stopped taking it for now as a health precaution) is ephederine. Gave me ample amounts of energy, a little too much in some cases. Gotta be very careful with these sorts of things, though. Research!!

gareth
Mon, June 23rd, 2008, 07:19 AM
i take centrum performance,l carnatine,cinnamon tabs and vinegar tabs.i eat plenty of veggies and consume bout 2.5 galons of water daily.my diet is in check...just feel worn out al the time,something has gotta work.Supposedly Dhea gives you energy outta the arse and thats what im in dire need of.


What is the cinnamon and vinegar for?

Aleister bates
Fri, June 27th, 2008, 08:04 AM
That's a crazy amount of water. Your in "water poisoning" territory with that much. You'd be fine with a gallon a day, at most. Maybe a little morning caffiene, or some extra sleep.

If you go for the DHEA, let us know how it works for you. I found something that worked really well for me (though I've stopped taking it for now as a health precaution) is ephederine. Gave me ample amounts of energy, a little too much in some cases. Gotta be very careful with these sorts of things, though. Research!!I do a lotta outside work,thus being the reason for my heavy water consumption...as for the DHEA ive been taking it for 5 days now and allready feeling much better,as for the ephedrine....too risky!Theres more harm than good when using epedra based products.I tried them a few years ago and while they did help with my energy level they killed my sex drive and throwed me into a constant rage!Maybe just me but...im done with ephedrine.

Aleister bates
Fri, June 27th, 2008, 08:06 AM
What is the cinnamon and vinegar for?the cinnamon promotes sugar metabolism and the vinegar tabs work as a diuretic.

Doubleoqueso
Fri, June 27th, 2008, 04:28 PM
I do a lotta outside work,thus being the reason for my heavy water consumption...as for the DHEA ive been taking it for 5 days now and allready feeling much better,as for the ephedrine....too risky!Theres more harm than good when using epedra based products.I tried them a few years ago and while they did help with my energy level they killed my sex drive and throwed me into a constant rage!Maybe just me but...im done with ephedrine.

Ah, sweating a lot. Well, cool beans on the water intake, then. Yeah, ephedrine works different on different people. I don't take it much because of the high doses I need in order to get any effect. It's like taking nothing at all up to 150mg of it, I need 200mg to get any effect from it. But then, nearly all pharmaceuticals tend to be fairly ineffective for me. Glad the DHEA is working for you.

Aleister bates
Sat, June 28th, 2008, 08:54 AM
Ah, sweating a lot. Well, cool beans on the water intake, then. Yeah, ephedrine works different on different people. I don't take it much because of the high doses I need in order to get any effect. It's like taking nothing at all up to 150mg of it, I need 200mg to get any effect from it. But then, nearly all pharmaceuticals tend to be fairly ineffective for me. Glad the DHEA is working for you.I dunno how it is elsewhere but.ephedra is very hard to get here,most stores have stopped selling it due to the tough regulations imposed by the govt.I had a friend whom,was overweight that droped a whopping 90 pounds using ephedrine but..the 1000mg daily he worked his way up to had devestating affects on his heart.this guy began with 100 mg daily and his tolerence kept getting higher.i guess the govt is trying to save us from ourselves in attempting to ban its use,after all...theres harm in anything if misused.

Doubleoqueso
Sat, June 28th, 2008, 11:59 AM
It's not banned, just strictly regulated. A person can purchase up to 6g a month (which is quite a bit), and their liscense has to be recorded. The main reason for the regulation isn't as much for the ignorance of users so much as the fact that it is not difficult to turn the stuff into meth.

But yeah, prolonged use is quite bad for the heart.

Aleister bates
Tue, July 8th, 2008, 06:05 PM
Well folks,so far soo good!im going on my 3rd week taking 150grams daily and my energy level is unbelievable!i suspect my test levels were low thus causing my drained feeling...time will surely tell.

Doubleoqueso
Tue, July 8th, 2008, 08:01 PM
I ordered some to try out, but ended up giving it to my dad. He's been complaining about low energy, too. When are you taking the stuff? I told him to take a pill (100mg DHEA) before bed.

Hort
Tue, July 8th, 2008, 11:17 PM
You really shouldn't be messing around with DHEA for a number of reasons.

1) Most DHEA supp's are crap and a waste of money- if you need energy there are many better ways than taking something that can mess with your cholesterol, your natural test levels and... not give you any long-lasting benefit to boot.

and 2) PCT? Do you know what it means? If not and you're not experienced, you shouldn't be fiddling with even weak PH's. 3) Familiar with some DHEA formulations tendency to promote estrogen? 4) a typical "lite" dose starts at over 200mg a day.

DQ- you'd avoid aspartame but mess around with this? :confused:

Doubleoqueso
Wed, July 9th, 2008, 11:22 AM
DQ- you'd avoid aspartame but mess around with this? :confused:

I've only taken 100mg of DHEA. Ever. I gave the rest to my dad, and he's taking a very light dose. I've dropped the idea of trying any prohormones. I even dropped splenda in favor of good old fashioned natural sugar.