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Brutus
May 27th, 2008, 01:38 AM
Currently, I am very happy with the progress of my squats, but not so much my deadlift. It started with my deadlift weaker, and the program I'm on, which is Stronglift's Beginner 5x5 has deadlifts after squats, and with just one set of 5. Can I get some suggestions for a good, deadlift-heavy routine that will give me good gains on deadlift?

Bsheller
May 27th, 2008, 02:26 AM
I do my deadlift once a week with a 5-5-5-3-3-3 set adding 10 lbs at each interval. I ended that on 495 two weeks ago. Ive been seeing massive gains in my deadlift each month since February where Ive gone from 415 to 550. (which is as surprising to me as anyone else). Ive been doing a light light 3*10 set of Romanian DLs on Thursdays to sort of stretch out after the heavy day.

Brutus
May 27th, 2008, 02:34 AM
I do my deadlift once a week with a 5-5-5-3-3-3 set adding 10 lbs at each interval. I ended that on 495 two weeks ago. Ive been seeing massive gains in my deadlift each month since February where Ive gone from 415 to 550. (which is as surprising to me as anyone else). Ive been doing a light light 3*10 set of Romanian DLs on Thursdays to sort of stretch out after the heavy day.

Hm, that seems like a sure high number of sets. I'll try it for a while, though. So the last set should be 90% of your max? That also seems high. Any other suggestions?

Bsheller
May 27th, 2008, 02:37 AM
you'll want to get some different opinions, most people keep telling me that I'm doing too much, but I continue to see gains so I stick with it.

chicanerous
May 27th, 2008, 03:05 AM
Hm, that seems like a sure high number of sets. I'll try it for a while, though. So the last set should be 90% of your max? That also seems high. Any other suggestions?
24 total reps isn't a lot of volume and 90% of one's max isn't a bad place to be on a top set. For a routine like he suggested though, you wouldn't want to start out at 90%. You would start with a lower top set so that you would have room to build and, by the end of the run, you would be hitting 90% or more of a new max.

The way I like to go about training the deadlift is to work up to a heavy single or double and then drop back to pull a number of fast triples. This works pretty well as long as you're progressive about it and put in enough volume on the low end, plus whatever assistance work you're doing in the rest of the week.

It's also the way the Coan-Phillipi routine goes about it: http://tsampa.org/training/scripts/coan_phillipi_deadlift/

Brutus
May 27th, 2008, 03:40 AM
24 total reps isn't a lot of volume and 90% of one's max isn't a bad place to be on a top set. For a routine like he suggested though, you wouldn't want to start out at 90%. You would start with a lower top set so that you would have room to build and, by the end of the run, you would be hitting 90% or more of a new max.

The way I like to go about training the deadlift is to work up to a heavy single or double and then drop back to pull a number of fast triples. This works pretty well as long as you're progressive about it and put in enough volume on the low end, plus whatever assistance work you're doing in the rest of the week.

It's also the way the Coan-Phillipi routine goes about it: http://tsampa.org/training/scripts/coan_phillipi_deadlift/

Yeah, I didn't really think it through with the last sets having just three reps. I still haven't had to deload on my current routine, but once I do I'll switch to this one. Today was the first time I wasn't able to get all 5 reps on the last sets for squats. I only managed to get 5x5x5x4x3, so my first deload is getting closer.

Azure
May 27th, 2008, 02:00 PM
I do 6 sets, 6 reps, 20 lbs increase with every set until I'm at 90% of my max.

I've had awesome gains with that too.

jkugelman
May 27th, 2008, 07:02 PM
I alternate between testing my 1RM and 5x5.

Workout A:
Light warmup x10
Medium warmup x6
1RM
2RM
5RM

Workout B:
5x5

I've been increasing my 1RM about 5 pounds a week. The 5x5 workout is surprisingly a lot harder and more intense than my 1RM workout. It's brutal. I love it! :evil:

I don't know if this is a great routine or not, I just do it because I like doing really heavy deadlifts but doing singles every workout was too much. I used to do that and it quickly killed my CNS.

Brutus
May 27th, 2008, 07:04 PM
I alternate between testing my 1RM and 5x5.

Workout A:
Light warmup x10
Medium warmup x6
1RM
2RM
5RM

Workout B:
5x5

I've been increasing my 1RM about 5 pounds a week. The 5x5 workout is surprisingly a lot harder and more intense than my 1RM workout. It's brutal. I love it! :evil:

I don't know if this is a great routine or not, I just do it because I like doing really heavy deadlifts but doing singles every workout was too much. I used to do that and it quickly killed my CNS.

Hm, seems like a good plan. It'll make it very easy to keep track of my 1RM at least.

Nowhereman
May 27th, 2008, 07:51 PM
It might not be what your looking for but ABBH by Waterbury worked pretty well for my deadlifts earlier in the year. It follow a 10x3 set rep scheme at 80%. You finish off with a 10x5. I would give Chic's reccomendation a try though. I've been wanting to do it and it seems like you can make some real solid gains.

squatguy20
May 28th, 2008, 12:22 PM
I'm doing the Coan/Phillipi Routine, seems to be working great so far.

Just make sure you don't take every set of the circuit/assistance to failure.

Rise
May 28th, 2008, 04:09 PM
WSFSB (http://www.defrancostraining.com/articles/archive/articles_westside.htm) has worked very well for me. I'm up 45#+ in ~ 3-4 weeks... and that's rep'ing weight, not 1RM.

Brutus
June 11th, 2008, 12:59 AM
Well, after a way longer break than I originally intended, I'm starting a new program tomorrow, the Coan-Philipi program. I'm going to have a diet where I am losing about 2lbs a week but still have enough protein to build as much strength as I need (should be possible, I can have a pretty impressive calorie deficit and still be bringing in over 200g of protein). In the 10 week program I'll try to go from 330lbs to 360lbs, which I'm hoping should be possible (should still be getting some noobie gains, I've only been working out for 6 weeks or so not counting the recent break). My squat is currently around that mark, so I'm going to be doing maintenance on squats during this program, so it'll even out a bit. I'll be leaving for Yellowstone for a week in August, so this should fit in nicely. One question: How many times per week do you workout using the program it generates for you?

Edit: One thing I just now noticed: Lat pulldowns. I can't do them. Can I substitute them for something else that only requires a barbell/dumbells?

squatguy20
June 11th, 2008, 11:30 AM
One question: How many times per week do you workout using the program it generates for you?

Edit: One thing I just now noticed: Lat pulldowns. I can't do them. Can I substitute them for something else that only requires a barbell/dumbells?

Once per week, just put your other exercises on maintenance. I do Coan/Phillipi on wednesday, and squat and bench on mon+fri.

I missed the lat/pulldowns completely but it has worked well for me.