seripham4
April 29th, 2008, 02:21 AM
Hey I wondered how much of your weight you were lifting when you performed a dip. It seems like it would be pretty much all of it but I weigh 170 and cant bench that 20 times. And yet I hit 20 dips today. There different movements I know but a dip is more triceps and less chest which seems like it would make it harder. Any thoughts?
HevyMetal
April 29th, 2008, 01:24 PM
Sort of....
It may have something to do with Range Of Motion.
On a typical bench I will often lower the bar so it momentarily touches my chest.
But on a dip I seldom go deep enough that it duplicates that same depth.
Most guys I watch on videos or elsewhere don't go right to the bottom on a dip.
So what they are doing is,in essence, a "partial".
Most people are stronger on partials than they are going as deep as possible.
If I do a "partial" bench, I can get at least 100lbs minimum more than I can going full deep, depending on the range of the partial.
I suppose if I did a 1-inch drop Dip I'd shoot up in weight too.
I don't do Dips where I go right to the absolute bottom of the movement....mainly because it's too tough on the Anterior Delts.
But if you calculate the angle of your elbows at the bottom of your average dip and then transfer that elbow angle to your average bench, you will probably find it translates into a partial-range bench.
(Also IMO the Lats are involved more on a Dip than they are a Bench. And contrary to public opinion, I find that Chest Flyes are a good augmentive exercise for helping in improving Bench.
And...the width of your grip on the bar for a Bench determines a lot of the outcome. Rules of thumb...narrow grip for Triceps, wide grip for Pecs).
This applies to Dips too....the distance apart your hands are, the angle of your grip, and your body position (hunched forward or straight vertical) will affect the outcome.
Andrew
April 29th, 2008, 01:50 PM
Umm..what do you mean?
Of course you are lifting your whole bodyweight. That doesn't mean it necessarily equates to a bench press...it's not the same movement. You're in a different position, pushing from a different position.
JoeSchmo
April 29th, 2008, 02:21 PM
Umm..what do you mean?
Of course you are lifting your whole bodyweight. That doesn't mean it necessarily equates to a bench press...it's not the same movement. You're in a different position, pushing from a different position.
Yeah, all pressing movements are not equivalent in difficulty...which is why people can flat bench (or decline bench) more than they can incline. Similarly, most people can dip more than they can bench.
zenpharaohs
April 29th, 2008, 03:15 PM
Hey I wondered how much of your weight you were lifting when you performed a dip. It seems like it would be pretty much all of it but I weigh 170 and cant bench that 20 times. And yet I hit 20 dips today. There different movements I know but a dip is more triceps and less chest which seems like it would make it harder. Any thoughts?
The dip is an even lower angle than the decline bench press. Just like almost everyone can decline bench more than they can bench, almost everyone has dips as their strongest pressing movement.
zenpharaohs
April 29th, 2008, 03:18 PM
Of course you are lifting your whole bodyweight.
Almost, but not quite. Assuming the rest of the body is not moving or flexing, then he is lifting his entire body weight minus the weight of his forearms. If he does a little flex or bend of his body during the rep then he might be lifting slightly more or less.