View Full Version : Round Three


Fuhobo
April 17th, 2008, 11:35 AM
I'd like to say I have really enjoyed reading this forum over the past few weeks and thought it was about time to introduce myself. I have always sought out achieving a muscular but lean physique but have never came close. In high school I was focus 100% on building muscle with no attention to body fat percent. This got be to be around 235 lbs @ 22% BF. My early college days I was shooting for general fitness, did some running and lifting with no attention to a “healthy” mix of foods. I would quite literally eat a couple of chicken breasts as my whole day’s worth of food. This got me to the point where I was the strongest I have ever been while dipping as low as 215lbs, ephedrine helped here too.

Later in my college years I hurt my back which made running impossible and most lifting extremely painful. It took me over a year to get some type of relief but was basically told your lifting and running days are over unless you want that pain again. So with my workouts permanently suspended I started gaining serious amounts of weight. In only a couple years I managed to hit 295 lbs. I started walking and using elliptical machines, being careful not to aggravate my back, and made only slow progress over the course of a couple months. Then I decided to seriously reduce my calories (consumed only 1250 cal/day), eat 6 times a day, say screw the hurt back, and perform fasted HIIT every morning. My diet was basically yogurt, Western Bagels, milk, and Chicken. I did this for 3 months straight without a single cheat. I managed to drop my weight down to 230lbs. I knew at the time I was destroying my lean mass to. After the HIIT sessions there would be the faint smell of ammonia, which I later found out was a result of metabolizing protein. Sadly this routine wrecked havoc on my metabolism and when I tried going back to a normal but healthy diet, I gained the weight back. Round 1 was a successful failure.

A year later I proceeded into round 2 with a more relaxed diet, as I have come to hate yogurt, but multiple cardio sessions each day. I dropped my weight from about 275 to 250lbs. My thought process during both of these weight loss periods was that I could drop my weight to about 225lbs then rely on muscle memory to build back my lost lean mass. Both times have proven this was a flawed concept as I had gained the weight back from round 2 also. I am now at a point in my life that is fairly stable so I can get into a routine and stick with it.

A few months ago I decided to approach my goals from a different angle. I want to be 15% BF. I do not want to lose any lean mass. I want to improve my cardiovascular health. Most importantly I want to be able to sustain my accomplishments. I’ve decided the best way to do this is to eat right, lift weights, and HIIT cardio. I started this round at 295lbs, and I got to about 272 before I turned on the serious resistance training. At that point my weight loss rate slowed significantly. I knew I was still progressing, I could see it in the mirror but not the scale. I took a %BF reading (Navy Method) and was 32.5% @ 272lbs. Five weeks later I was 30.1% @ 270lbs. That weight loss rate would make you cry, 5 weeks of effort for only 2 lbs lost?!! But my lean mass increased by 5lbs which in turn means I actually lost 7lbs of fat. This isn’t outstanding but certainly not bad. Strength wise I am still no where near my previous best performance so my lean mass gain is certainly muscle memory so hopefully this progress will continue for a while.

I think I have aired my failed attempts well enough that I can simply look forward, and progress toward my future body!

Apolon
April 17th, 2008, 12:35 PM
Wall of text crits YOU for 10000 points of damage! j/k :D

Seriously though, keep at it man. I definetly feel for you as I have been from 318 down to 256, then 340 down to 280, then 390 down to 315, then finally this time i started at 415 to my present 359.

Im taking this change in lifestyle so much differently then ever before. Eating more calories then I thought I ever needed and still posting nice losses. Take it slow, take care of that back as that will pretty much put you on the shelf for a long time if you re-injure that severely.

Good luck man :tu:

Fuhobo
April 17th, 2008, 05:38 PM
Wall of text destroyed!

I take it for each weight loss period you tried a slightly different approach?

In terms of calories consumed, i know I am still lacking a bit. I have been averaging 2500 cals a day. This include days where I fail miserably and consume lots of bad food.

Apolon
April 17th, 2008, 06:12 PM
I have a set diet plan now I eat everyday. I eat around 2500 myself which is a 1500 deficit for hopefully 3 pounds a week. 6 meals daily with one cheat meal on Saturday or Sunday.

My last "diets" were the same pretty much just had things get in the way. Death in family, jobs etc. and I lost focus. Now I have a new baby boy and my wife and I are making a conscious effort to get it done this time. So far for me I am at 56 lbs and her about 20. I want to see my son grow up and I don't want him to remember me like I am.

Sit down and devise some goals you want and by when you would like to achieve them. So far I haven't made any of my goals by the time I would of liked but I feel I am doing it the right way this time. This summer I am going to step it up a notch and use SGX program from Swolecat and really get my life fine tuned.

Main thing just dont get down on yourself when it seems slow and nothing is happening. Keep at it. I brought out my old smaller clothes I couldnt fit into and low and behold I can get into about 1/2 of them again. That to me gives me motivation thinking, damn I was like that once Im gonna be there again...and stay there this time.

Just continue to read on here, such a wealth of knowledge, read all the stickies, and formuate a diet incorporating foods you like that are good for you and hit that gym. Good luck man keep at it. :bb:

Apolon
April 17th, 2008, 06:18 PM
My Diet

Calories - Protein - Carbs - Fiber - Fat
7:00 Quaker Weight Control 160 7 29 6 3
7:00 AL Protein 1 Cup FF Milk 310 57 17 0 2
10:00 Kashi Go Lean 1/2 Cup FF Milk 185 17.5 43 10 1
10:00 Banana Large 135 1.5 35 4 0.5
12:00 WW Bean Burr. With 1oz chs. 430 22 49 27 15.5
12:00 Brocoli Medium Stalk x2 112 8 23 10.5 1
3:00 1 oz Peanuts 170 7 5 2 14
3:00 AL Protein 1 Cup FF Milk 310 57 17 0 2
6:00 Chicken Salad 6 oz chicken 520 50 14 1 22
9:00 AL Protein 1 Cup FF Milk 310 57 17 0 2


TOTALS 2642 Cal 284g Pro 249 g Carbs 60.5g Fiber 63g Fat


My Workout

Monday: Legs (AM) 15 Mins HIIT Cardio (PM)
Tuesday: 15 Mins HIIT Cardio
Wednesday: Chest, Delts & Triceps (AM) 15 Mins HIIT Cardio (PM)
Thursday: 15 Mins HIIT Cardio
Friday: Back & Biceps (AM) 15 Mins HIIT Cardio (PM)
Saturday: 15 Mins HIIT Cardio
Sunday: Rest, possible 15 Mins HIIT Cardio

Fuhobo
April 20th, 2008, 10:12 AM
I thought i would post some progress numbers here an see if there is any way i could accelerate fat loss.

I started tracking %fat on March 8th since the scale was no longer being "friendly" and weight loss was very slow. For reference I am 6' tall and my %bf was based on the Navy's method.

3/8/08 270lbs 32.5% BF 87.8 lbs Fat 182.2 lbs Lean Mass
4/19/08 269lbs 29.8% BF 80.1 lbs Fat 188.9 lbs Lean Mass

If you look at the rate of just fat loss i am losing at only 1.3lbs a week. I know this would be great if i were already 10% BF but i am not. I have a lot to lose and would think i should be able to lose faster.

My typical diet is:

6:00 am Vitamins: Fish, Flax, Cod Oils, Multi Vit, Glucosamin, Green
tea
6:00 am M1: 2 Scoop Nitrean or 1 Scoop Nitrean and .5 cup Oats
9:00 am M2: (This is my "snacks" which spread from 8am to 2:30pm)
2 oz almonds, 2 oz Non-fat mozzarella
11:30 am M3: 1-2 Cups Green Veggie (Brussel Sprouts, Broccoli, or
salad) 4oz chicken, 4 oz 2% Cottage Cheese, peice of
fruit (apple, pear, or orange)
2:30 pm M4: 4 oz Cottage Cheese
4:30 pm M5: (preworkout lifting days) 1 scoop Nitrean
6:00 pm M6: (postworkout lifiting days) 1 scoop Nitrean
7:00 pm M7: 2-3 cups broccoli, 8 oz chicken Breast or Shrimp
Alternative is 2 eggs, and 2 low carb bagels(110 cals)
9:00 pm M8: (right before bed) 2 scoops Nitrean

Considering this which is my target and ideal diet which i stick to 80% of the time, 20% i simply can't because i am on travel. I do track all calories i consume. It's easier for me to account for what i ate than it is to eat only what i plan i'm going to eat. Anyway over the past 1.5 months my daily caloirc intake was 2600 cals.

In term of my workouts I shoot for working out every day with 1 skipped lifting day a week.

Day 1: Chest, Tricep, 15 mins HIIT Cardio (7-10 core rest warmup/cooldown)
Day 2: 30 mins HIIT cardio (23 core rest warmup/cooldown)
Day 3: Back, Biceps, 15 HIIT Cardio
Day 4: 25 HIIT Cardio
Day 5: Legs, as much HIIT as i can do up to 15 mins
Day 6: 25 HIIT Cardio
Day 7: 25 HIIT Cardio

Any idea what i can do to drop fat faster? I think at my weight i should be able to drop fat at 2-3lbs a week.

smuhhh
April 20th, 2008, 12:07 PM
my only suggestion would be eat more real protein. You are putting a lot of whey into yourself, you might benifit from eating real food. Use the whey just to get your protein levels up if you can't otherwise kinda thing.

jkugelman
April 20th, 2008, 01:24 PM
Well, your diet and workout plan are solid. You should be losing at a good pace if you stick to them. A couple of possibilities:

* How often do you cheat and go off diet? You say you stick to the diet 80% of the time. Depending on how bad you are the other 20% of the time, you might be cancelling out most of the hard work you're doing. When I was overweight I would regularly eat a whole large pizza AND dessert as a meal. I hope you're not doing anything like that! :lol:

* Your workout routine looks pretty intense, what with half an hour of HIIT every day. It's possible you're overtraining. There's nothing inherently bad about that much cardio, but it shouldn't really be necessary unless you're aiming for Biggest Loser levels of weight loss. You might consider dropping a lot of that cardio, or at least doing LISS sometimes instead. HIIT + lifting can be pretty taxing on the CNS and if you never rest your body will never have a chance to recover.

Also, it's a good idea to keep some tools "in reserve" so to speak so you have something you can add/change when your weight loss stalls.

* How do you measure your food? Is it possible you're eating more than you think you are? A few months ago I bought a food scale and boy was I shocked to discover how poorly I had been measuring my food portions.

By the way, your diet appears to be really low in fat. A decent amount of healthy fats is important for overall health. If you're worried about heart health just make sure to stay away from trans fats and excess saturated fat. But good fats from nuts and seeds, fatty fish, healthy vegetable oils, avocados, etc. are always a good idea.

All that said, you really should be losing fat a lot faster than you are given the plan you've outlined. If none of the possibilities above apply, then it's possible you have a medical problem that is retarding your weight loss, such as a problematic medication or hypothyroidism. Hopefully there's a more prosaic explanation, though!

Fuhobo
April 20th, 2008, 02:51 PM
Smuhhh - i could swap out morning protein and post workout protein for skim milk. Which i may try.

jkugelman- 80% is usually 100 spot on mon-fri when i am not traveling. When i travel diet goes to hell and i more or less just try to make the healthiest choices possible at the time. Weekends depend on what i am doing. They are not usually as bad as travel days but if i am hanging out with friends i will drink, and will eat out. I do avoid fast food though.

In terms of overtraining, i might be. My HIIT session started only two weeks ago, priot to that it was all low intensity and during that period i was definately not overtraining.

My food measurements are spot on. I have a digital scale and weight everything out. After i cook my chicken i make 4oz zip lock packs of chicken for the week. Same with the almond and cheese.

I did forget to mention that with my lunch veggies i put on a salad dressing (7g fat). Also my 2 oz of Almonds serve as a major fat source for me. I will double check the actual amounts i consume though to see if this diet really is to low fat.

As a fat person, i was looking for a medical excuse why i was overweight. I had the docs run all the tests and there was no medical reason for it. So I think at this point my slips are the culprit. All i can do is try harder on the days i have little control on my food situation, to make even better choices.

Anyone have any Airplane carry on luggage friendly food ideas? Obviously almonds are a good choice.