Hi all,

Could you please give me your estimates of my body fat in each of these pics? Thanks :)

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Could you please give me your estimates of my body fat in each of these pics? Thanks :)

Left: 18-20%

Right: 10-12%

Nice work! You seem to be maintaining 158-160 lbs of lean body mass throughout the 20lb drop. :tucool:

Left: 18-20%

Right: 10-12%

Nice work! You seem to be maintaining 158-160 lbs of lean body mass throughout the 20lb drop. :tucool:

Thanks :) That's what I was hoping to find out. The credit would have to go to SwoleCat as I have been on SGX for the last 2 months.

The credit would have to go to SwoleCat as I have been on SGX for the last 2 months.

So does that mean that I'll have to take credit for fattening you up to 200# in the first place? :lol::lol: That deal I have with SwoleCat is working out pretty well. ;)

In all seriousness, glad you're doing so well on SGX. I can't guess it on others, but your body fat has certainly dropped significantly and you look great.:nod:

So does that mean that I'll have to take credit for fattening you up to 200# in the first place? :lol::lol: That deal I have with SwoleCat is working out pretty well. ;)

In all seriousness, glad you're doing so well on SGX. I can't guess it on others, but your body fat has certainly dropped significantly and you look great.:nod:

Yeah, my SGX plan just ran out though so I'm on my own from here on. I've learnt a lot on it though. I think the main thing I'll take away from SGX is the confidence to create a meal plan and stick to it. That's something I didn't do when I was bulking with you guys.

Are you still bulking? You're still looking lean. Those arms are growing though! :tucool:

Looking good woodan! :tu:

I hear many great things regarding SwoleCats program and seeing your progress is no exception. Keep it going man!

Are you still bulking? You're still looking lean. Those arms are growing though! :tucool:

Yes, I am. I almost quit because of lack of gains and then my weight started to creep up. I'm right at about 190# now without looking too fat. And my arms keep getting bigger.:)

You'll find that even though you may gain some weight after SGX, you will look better than you did at the same weight pre-SGX. I'm still using a lot of the principles I learned from SwoleCat and I'm almost 30 pounds heavier than when I left him.

Hey Woodan Nice to see you back.
Nice progress there..whats the plan now?..i reckon ur ready to start bulking again now .
Whats your strength been like during the cut have you maintained or has it dropped/improved?
ive just started a 12 week cut myself .
Also how did you get on at the doctors i remember you had some difficulty prior to christmas.

Hey Woodan Nice to see you back.
Nice progress there..whats the plan now?..i reckon ur ready to start bulking again now .
Whats your strength been like during the cut have you maintained or has it dropped/improved?
ive just started a 12 week cut myself .
Also how did you get on at the doctors i remember you had some difficulty prior to christmas.

Thanks, I've been busy trying to start a new business recently hence my lack of Internet presence.

I'm sure my overall strength has dropped quite significantly, but I'm just assuming when I say that. The set rep ranges have been completely different so it's hard to gauge. For instance, I'm squatting about half what I used to but I'm doing 80 of them rather than 15.

As for next, I still want to get my BF% lower. I want to hit 7-8% and get a really cut look. After that I'm going to take it slow and enjoy the summer with my new physique. I'll still be training hard but I won't be on much of a calorie surplus. When the nights start drawing in I'll ramp it up again.

One thing I really don't want to do again is a long drawn out cut like this. It's only been 2 months so far but it's getting tougher all the time. In the future I never want my BF% that high again.

Yeah, the doctors... I finally registered with a surgery and got an appointment, but when I turned up for the appointment the surgery was shut. I think all I had was a weight lifters headache. I read about it on here and some other places. I put it down to the cold weather, no warmup and poor breathing. Since then I've always made sure I had a 5-10 minute warmup before any lifting and focused on my breathing. I've not had the problem since.

How did the rest of you bulk go?

Thanks, I've been busy trying to start a new business recently hence my lack of Internet presence.

I'm sure my overall strength has dropped quite significantly, but I'm just assuming when I say that. The set rep ranges have been completely different so it's hard to gauge. For instance, I'm squatting about half what I used to but I'm doing 80 of them rather than 15.

As for next, I still want to get my BF% lower. I want to hit 7-8% and get a really cut look. After that I'm going to take it slow and enjoy the summer with my new physique. I'll still be training hard but I won't be on much of a calorie surplus. When the nights start drawing in I'll ramp it up again.

One thing I really don't want to do again is a long drawn out cut like this. It's only been 2 months so far but it's getting tougher all the time. In the future I never want my BF% that high again.

Yeah, the doctors... I finally registered with a surgery and got an appointment, but when I turned up for the appointment the surgery was shut. I think all I had was a weight lifters headache. I read about it on here and some other places. I put it down to the cold weather, no warmup and poor breathing. Since then I've always made sure I had a 5-10 minute warmup before any lifting and focused on my breathing. I've not had the problem since.

How did the rest of you bulk go?
Good to hear it was nothing serious.

I think your only 3-4% away from the 7-8% figure ..but getting the last bit of is gonna take a lot of hard work/ determination. Philip did it recently.so im sure will do it

I didnt hit the 20 lbs but got 18lbs(eatin 3700kcals clean became damn hard after a while!!)--with a good increase in lbm..but i started at high bf and finished at high bf..so now for the next 3 months i would like to drop down to arounf 150 am at 166 at moment.
ive started a journal for 3 months to see what happens.
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showthread.php?t=41038


Also have joined the 350 deadlift and 300 squat challenge so if i can pull them off before end of setember that would be great.a 225 bench would be a cherry on the cake!!:lol:

While these pictures are are here would anyone mind hazarding a guess at my body type as well. At school I was convinced I was an endomorph.

Basically, I'm wondering if I'm an ectomorph. I was reading a thread on the T-Nation physique clinic about an ectomorphs work out and wondering if I should be applying the principles they talk about to my next workout/food plan.

Any input is welcome, thanks.

Edit: Here is another picture if it helps.
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Day 68 of SGX and while my consultation has run out the progress has not. Here is the entire transformation to date:

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I also took some measurements today. While obviously my chest, waist and abs were a lot smaller, my arms we actually larger than they were 6 weeks into my last attempt at bulking.

This is easily the lowest BF% I have ever been in my adult life and quite possibly my entire lift. I used my FatTrac calipers and they measure me at 8.4% at the moment which sounds low for how I look. But I can only manage a 3 point test on my own. There are still areas I'm not happy with at all and I'm going to continue until they improve. These are me chest around my armpits, my belly and my hips above my butt. The latter can be seen clearly in this shot bulging over my shorts.

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Here's my progress from a different angle. The dates don't match up though as I took these pics randomly throughout this time period.

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Amazing results Woodan, but I'm not surprised. SGX is just that good. I can see why you're questioning which body type you are. In the current pics, you do like an ectomorph. As for the weight above your hips, I think that is one area that is really determined by genetics. I carry a lot of my weight there too and can't seem to lose it. Kinda stinks being thin everywhere else and then having big hips. So I'm just working to grow my lats, chest, and shoulders to improve my "V" so the hips are less noticeable. When you decide to do a clean bulk, you'll be happy with the results as well because of your low bf starting point and the principals you now know from SGX.

left: 16-18%
right: 9-11%

I'm wondering if I'm an ectomorph. I was reading a thread on the T-Nation physique clinic about an ectomorphs work out and wondering if I should be applying the principles they talk about to my next workout/food plan.I don't think you can judge a body type based on what it looks like at any given moment. Your somatype is just a description of how your body reacts to particular stimuli, and even that can change.

If I had to judge, I'd say mesomorph. You have nice broad shoulders, evenly distributed muscle and fat, and you seem to pick up lean body mass quite efficiently.

But I think if you believe you are an ectomorph, you will get good results following the principles they talk about to your workouts. Those principals would work for any indivual who is willing to put on a little bit of extra body fat in order to really pack on the muscle. :flex:

Thanks for the responses.

It's honestly not a question of what I believe. I'm not fussed what body type I have. The reason I ask it just because I'm starting to plan ahead for my next cycle and want it to be a productive as possible.

This is the thread I was reading:
http://www.t-nation.com/readPhysClin.do?id=1859240&pageNo=0

However, if you're saying it's not likely I am an ectomorph and that ecto training is going to require me to put on extra fat in order to pack on the muscle I might give that a miss for now.

My timing is all a bit out of sync, but I want to remain lean for the summer months so my focus will be to maintain the BF% levels I reach. I would ideally like to increase my size and strength and hopefully I can do that slowly over that period. And when the nights draw in again I can really hit it.

Still, I've only been at this for less than a year, maybe half of that seriously, and before that I had done little to no physical exercise my entire life so it's no wonder I'm a weakling. Also, the last 2 months on SGX have really brought home how poor my diet was in terms of my goals. It wasn't terrible but I have reached new levels of dedication now. My perception of food has changed a lot, definitely for the better.

Whatever happens I just know it's going to be a good year. :)

I wasn't going to post any photos this week and was going to wait until my biweekly shots which would be next Saturday. That was until I just saw myself in my bathroom mirror like this:

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Ok, the light in my bathroom is very complimentary and I'm leaning back a little so I can stand under it, but damn, now that I can see my abs I'm not sure I want to! They are messed up! What the hell is going on there? It looks as though I was run over as a kid.

I wasn't going to post any photos this week and was going to wait until my biweekly shots which would be next Saturday. That was until I just saw myself in my bathroom mirror like this:

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Ok, the light in my bathroom is very complimentary and I'm leaning back a little so I can stand under it, but damn, now that I can see my abs I'm not sure I want to! They are messed up! What the hell is going on there? It looks as though I was run over as a kid.


nah that's just how your abs are...my top four abs are a little unsymetrical to. it sucks, but i don't think there's anything you can do about it

I wasn't going to post any photos this week and was going to wait until my biweekly shots which would be next Saturday. That was until I just saw myself in my bathroom mirror like this:

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Ok, the light in my bathroom is very complimentary and I'm leaning back a little so I can stand under it, but damn, now that I can see my abs I'm not sure I want to! They are messed up! What the hell is going on there? It looks as though I was run over as a kid.

It is genetics, and there is nothing you can do about it unless you get surgery haha. I'd venture to say the majority of people have asymmetrical abs just like yours are.

nah that's just how your abs are...my top four abs are a little unsymetrical to. it sucks, but i don't think there's anything you can do about it

It is genetics, and there is nothing you can do about it unless you get surgery haha. I'd venture to say the majority of people have asymmetrical abs just like yours are.

I'm not worried about it at all. And I certainly didn't intend to try and do anything about it. I pretty much figured that that's the way they are and nothing will change them now. Hey, I'm just glad I've reach a point where I can see them at all even if they are wonky.

I used to do a lot of skateboarding as a kid I wonder if that led to an abnormal development.

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Ok, here are my biweekly progress shots. The light was a bit shitty today so the quality looks a bit poor.

Current Stats

Weight: 171.8lbs
BF%: 7.3%*

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There isn't a lot of difference but I am happy with my progress. There has always been a bit of fat around my chest that has bugged me and that's pretty much gone on this latest shot. I've been debating whether to continue cutting in my journal. I think looking at these latest shots I really need to gain more size to get the look I want. I'm pretty happy with my BF%, it could be lower but I can definitely live with it as it is.

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You can't see my legs as well as I'd have liked because the light doesn't reach that far but they have some definition for the first time ever. Again, all they need now is more size. In the process of trying to show off my legs though I did a pretty good job of showing off my abs instead. All the other photos are taken relaxed. I guess in this one where I tensed my quads I tensed my abs as well. This is another reason why I think I've got low enough in BF%. I think I need some more arm work, however. They look like sticks!

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My upper back is progressing nicely I think. Again, there is more definition due to the lack of fat. I still have those annoying fatty parts on my hips, only knows what I have to do to get rid of that, oh well (Thinking about it this could just be my arse as I do wear my shorts rather low). I don't know what to think of my lower back. It doesn't look like anything. I don't know what a strong lower back looks like either.

I tried doing a lat spread but the results were so pitiful there is no way I'm posted it up here just yet. That's something I really need to work on. I don't think my lanky frame helps much.


* This is what I get from a 3 point test, it sounds low but I consistently get similar results. From the last measurement it says my LBM has stayed exactly the same and my weight and fat have dropped which leads me to believe that it's consistent even if not entirely accurate. As long as it's a good gauge that's enough for me

i like the way one can see the "teardrop" in your leg !
i know mine is developed nicely, however its not as visible as yours.

i like the way one can see the "teardrop" in your leg !
i know mine is developed nicely, however its not as visible as yours.

Yeah, I'm into that. You can see the other parts better normally but the light was shit this morning. I might try again later.

I don't know what to think of my lower back. It doesn't look like anything. I don't know what a strong lower back looks like either. it gets REALLY deep, like your spine gets lined by two very thick strips of muscle to both sides,
creating a really deep valley.

example:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4645/backmn0.th.jpg (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=backmn0.jpg)

it gets REALLY deep, like your spine gets lined by two very thick strips of muscle to both sides,
creating a really deep valley.

Cool, at least I know what I'm aiming for now. I think it's on it's way. The lighting isn't that good but you can start to see that in my back pic. Not as clearly as your I might add.

yeah deadlifts will do that to your back if you want it or not lol ;)
just keep sticking in the 350 club and aimt for heavy sets itll happen !

You're almost getting to that Brad Pitt Fight Club look. Good job.

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Celebrities_Gallery/20061007/425.pitt.fight.club.100506.jpg

You're almost getting to that Brad Pitt Fight Club look. Good job.

That's probably the first and last time I'll be likened to Brad Pitt. Thanks :)

Looking at that picture, even he's got more muscle mass than I have. It's definitely time to start eating more!

uhm .. i wouldnt really say that, to be honest, i think pitt is rather small in that picture.
id recommend HIM some food actually lol ;)

uhm .. i wouldnt really say that, to be honest, i think pitt is rather small in that picture.
id recommend HIM some food actually lol ;)

He is small! That's my point. Must :eat:

definitely eat, eat whole foods as much as you can and only barely rely on supplements.

and always remember that supps are WHEY TO EXPENSIVE lol :lol:

definitely eat, eat whole foods as much as you can and only barely rely on supplements.

and always remember that supps are WHEY TO EXPENSIVE lol :lol:

After today's shop I'd beg to differ. I got 2 weeks worth of food and it came to £90! I could get supps to last me a month for that. It's the meat that bumps the price up. It's so expensive over here. I may have to restrict my protein consumption to just tuna as that more affordable.

It's so expensive over here. I may have to restrict my protein consumption to just tuna as that more affordable.


Too Rite its cheaper to eat junk food these day.anything healthy is expensive .ridiculous really.

yeah i know what you mean, meat is expensive.
pork is rather cheap but i dont want to much pork, beef is $$$

yeah i know what you mean, meat is expensive.
pork is rather cheap but i dont want to much pork, beef is $$$

My diet is mainly cod, tuna and ham at the moment. I dread to think how much it would cost if I added beef. Especially as I tend to go for the more expensive cuts. Fillet steak... :drool::drool::drool:

My space. The pic of the TV is just there to prove I do have somewhere I can escape to that's not dominated my my rack:

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My space. The pic of the TV is just there to prove I do have somewhere I can escape to that's not dominated my my rack:

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Looks great Dan.

Looks great Dan.

You don't need much space. I have about 8 inches either end of the barbell. Gonna have to fill in a few holes before I leave.

After today's shop I'd beg to differ. I got 2 weeks worth of food and it came to £90! I could get supps to last me a month for that. It's the meat that bumps the price up. It's so expensive over here. I may have to restrict my protein consumption to just tuna as that more affordable.


Aye, decent cuts of beef amd chicken cost a fortune over here. 4 pre-cooked pieces of chicken breast with about 25 g protein in each are a fiver in Marks and Sparks. For two pieces of steak you're talking about 8 quid for something decent.

You could get cheaper stuff like spam, burgers, sausages, bacon and pork chops but dunno how healthy this stuff is, full of fat plus apparently cos they're cured meats they're a high cancer risk.


Tuna is cheap but cos it's laced with mercury you're only advised to eat 2-3 cans a week max. Salmon is apparently okay for mercury but is at least 3 times the price, about £2.50 a can.

I'd say it's cheaper buying protein shakes and bars online than buying meat by some distance.

Fresh fruit and veg is also steep unfortunately.

I'd say if you were just eating normally you could get by with £25 a week spending but buying all this meat, greens and protein supplements must be costing me more like £80-100 a week. From that point of view I wonder if it's worth it cos being a natural trainee it's not like you can transform your physique over night, it takes years of consistency but it costs a shitload of green.

Aye, decent cuts of beef amd chicken cost a fortune over here. 4 pre-cooked pieces of chicken breast with about 25 g protein in each are a fiver in Marks and Sparks. For two pieces of steak you're talking about 8 quid for something decent.

You could get cheaper stuff like spam, burgers, sausages, bacon and pork chops but dunno how healthy this stuff is, full of fat plus apparently cos they're cured meats they're a high cancer risk.


Tuna is cheap but cos it's laced with mercury you're only advised to eat 2-3 cans a week max. Salmon is apparently okay for mercury but is at least 3 times the price, about £2.50 a can.

I'd say it's cheaper buying protein shakes and bars online than buying meat by some distance.

Fresh fruit and veg is also steep unfortunately.

I'd say if you were just eating normally you could get by with £25 a week spending but buying all this meat, greens and protein supplements must be costing me more like £80-100 a week. From that point of view I wonder if it's worth it cos being a natural trainee it's not like you can transform your physique over night, it takes years of consistency but it costs a shitload of green.

It's bound cost a fortune if you shop at M&S! Blimey.

I actually go through 7 tins of tuna a week. Probably shouldn't but... I tried tinned salmon but it look at if they caught the fish, chopped it into chunks and stuffed it in the cans. It had bone and skin and alsorts in there. I just binned it. Sainsbury's tinned tuna is well tasty and you get more than you do in a can of John West et al for half the price. I recommend that. Other than that I go wiltshire cured ham slices because they last a long time so I can stock up on them and frozen cod fillets. I used to go for chicken but it never last in the fridge long enough. I hate having to go to the shops every few days.

My food bill is easy about £40-50 a week now. But I used to spend that or more on a Friday or Saturday night on booze before. So I don't worry about it that much. As long as I don't do both it should all wotk out about the same.

you're looking great!!

Deadlift heavier, though.
Add 5-10 lbs to the bar per week.
From my experience, that's been the easiest set of muscles to grow. (especially that middle-back area)



Legs look awesome.

you're looking great!!

Deadlift heavier, though.
Add 5-10 lbs to the bar per week.
From my experience, that's been the easiest set of muscles to grow. (especially that middle-back area)



Legs look awesome.

Cool, thanks dude.

Yeah, I just realised the other day that I was deadlifting all wrong. I've sorted that hopefully the progress there might be better from now on. I'm not sure where I'll fit them into my workout though. I'm following WS4SB and there is only one Lower body max effort day. I suppose I could rotate deadlifts and squats every few weeks.

I may have to restrict my protein consumption to just tuna as that more affordable.How much tuna do you eat? I don't think it would be good to eat more than a can a day, especially of the albarcore, which has up to three times as much mercury as the chunk light.

Use more egg whites when possible, and think about tofu and beans more often.

Also, you probably don't need as much protein as you think you do. Jeremy Likness did a wildly successful bulk on a very low protein diet.

It's bound cost a fortune if you shop at M&S! Blimey.

I actually go through 7 tins of tuna a week. Probably shouldn't but... I tried tinned salmon but it look at if they caught the fish, chopped it into chunks and stuffed it in the cans. It had bone and skin and alsorts in there. I just binned it. Sainsbury's tinned tuna is well tasty and you get more than you do in a can of John West et al for half the price. I recommend that. Other than that I go wiltshire cured ham slices because they last a long time so I can stock up on them and frozen cod fillets. I used to go for chicken but it never last in the fridge long enough. I hate having to go to the shops every few days.

My food bill is easy about £40-50 a week now. But I used to spend that or more on a Friday or Saturday night on booze before. So I don't worry about it that much. As long as I don't do both it should all wotk out about the same.


Have you chucked the booze entirely now ?

I'm trying to cut but must be still at least 15 percent body fat the now, I reckon am maybe 10-14 pounds away from being six pack lean. That said I must have been late 20s bodyfat when started dieting in September so have came a fair way and dropped jeans sizes from 36 to nearly fittin into 30s now. Am still allowing myself one booze session on a Saturday night the now, mostly sticking to low carb beers but I guess I must be knocking back a good 10-15 of them (Well I am Scottish). In days gone by though I could easily knock back 40-50 beers in a weekend.

Am also not doing a lot of cardio at moment, just once to twice per week. Am doing weights 3-4 times a week though doing all the big compounds. Am at stage now where I think a 6 week dedicated drive of cardio 5 x per week plus no booze would get rid of the remaining belly fat. Dunno if I can face the no booze thing tjough cos I did that for about 10 weeks at the start of my cut and quite frankly sitting in all weekend felt like doing bird.

How much tuna do you eat? I don't think it would be good to eat more than a can a day, especially of the albarcore, which has up to three times as much mercury as the chunk light.

Use more egg whites when possible, and think about tofu and beans more often.

Also, you probably don't need as much protein as you think you do. Jeremy Likness did a wildly successful bulk on a very low protein diet.

I was just joking about eating more tuna. I do have 1 tin a day and that's my limit. It was more a statement to point how how expensive all the other protein source are. Even eggs are expensive here, especially as I will only eat free range.

Being the geek that I am I might work out the price per g of protein for all the foods I currently eat.

Have you chucked the booze entirely now ?

I'm trying to cut but must be still at least 15 percent body fat the now, I reckon am maybe 10-14 pounds away from being six pack lean. That said I must have been late 20s bodyfat when started dieting in September so have came a fair way and dropped jeans sizes from 36 to nearly fittin into 30s now. Am still allowing myself one booze session on a Saturday night the now, mostly sticking to low carb beers but I guess I must be knocking back a good 10-15 of them (Well I am Scottish). In days gone by though I could easily knock back 40-50 beers in a weekend.

Am also not doing a lot of cardio at moment, just once to twice per week. Am doing weights 3-4 times a week though doing all the big compounds. Am at stage now where I think a 6 week dedicated drive of cardio 5 x per week plus no booze would get rid of the remaining belly fat. Dunno if I can face the no booze thing tjough cos I did that for about 10 weeks at the start of my cut and quite frankly sitting in all weekend felt like doing bird.

From all I keep reading booze has an extreme affect on your progress when trying to build muscle. In that light, I'm off it. I've not drunk since NYE. I haven't missed it either. That said I haven't been out socially either (there are reasons for this). I'm off to the poker tonight and there will be free booze on offer there. Last time it was on I got shitfaced. This time I'm gonna refrain. I made the first resolution in year's this New year; "let nothing stand in the way of your goals." Booze gets in the way of two of my goals. Therefore it's gone for now.

I was just joking about eating more tuna. I do have 1 tin a day and that's my limit. It was more a statement to point how how expensive all the other protein source are. Even eggs are expensive here, especially as I will only eat free range.

Being the geek that I am I might work out the price per g of protein for all the foods I currently eat.



From all I keep reading booze has an extreme affect on your progress when trying to build muscle. In that light, I'm off it. I've not drunk since NYE. I haven't missed it either. That said I haven't been out socially either (there are reasons for this). I'm off to the poker tonight and there will be free booze on offer there. Last time it was on I got shitfaced. This time I'm gonna refrain. I made the first resolution in year's this New year; "let nothing stand in the way of your goals." Booze gets in the way of two of my goals. Therefore it's gone for now.


I know what you mean and can see the sense in it.

That said, a booze fast also gets in the way of my goal of getting pished on a Saturday night and having a rare old time down at the old discotheque:tucool: :D

I know what you mean and can see the sense in it.

That said, a booze fast also gets in the way of my goal of getting pished on a Saturday night and having a rare old time down at the old discotheque:tucool: :D

That's the other thing. We'll see how it goes because I'm not going to be hermitted away forever. Though the thing I like about going out is the company of my friends and I hope for my sake that I don't need booze for that.

As promised here is a list of the items I regularly buy and the price per gram of protein.

All coming in at 2p a gram:
ON Whey
Nitrean (could be cheaper but I added the customs charges and delivery, the USA price would be next to nothing!)
Tinned Tuna
Cottage Cheese

Then we have:
Cod fillets, frozen - 4p
Chicken breast, roasted - 5p
Eggs, whole, free range - 6p
Cured ham - 8p
Eggs, whites only, free range - 9p

Looks like I should be eating more cottage cheese.

Tuna is cheap but cos it's laced with mercury you're only advised to eat 2-3 cans a week max.

Really? I go through about 10 cans a week, easily. Better cut down then...

Where'd you get cod from, Woodan? Supermarket or somewhere local? I've never been able to get any from the local Tesco/Morrisons :blank:

Really? I go through about 10 cans a week, easily. Better cut down then...

Where'd you get cod from, Woodan? Supermarket or somewhere local? I've never been able to get any from the local Tesco/Morrisons :blank:

I get Young's frozen cod fillet. I'm not sure if I've bought it from Tesco but I know Sainburys do it.

I get Young's frozen cod fillet. I'm not sure if I've bought it from Tesco but I know Sainburys do it.

Will have a look in Sainsburys next time I'm in. Thanks :tu:

i bought beef today :D kilo is above 15 euros for good stuff, i hate it !

but the cheap minced shit is disgusting and so i went for the middle thing, gonna enjoy them now :D

have been looking through your pictures and WOW! you look awesome!! esp the abs... they look particularly awesome :nod:

have been looking through your pictures and WOW! you look awesome!! esp the abs... they look particularly awesome :nod:

Hey thanks. I'm progress so far has been alright, I have a lot further to go before I'll get to the point where I'm happy though. Particularly I need to add more mass which is what I'm aiming to do at the moment. Any visible abs that I had will probably disappear for a while. All for the greater good.

WOW. I must say you have achieved tremendous results. How did you do it? All on the advice of JSF.com or did you use supplemental sources like ~SC~ www.***************.com (http://www.***************.com)? Great job either way. :tu: You look 15 years younger.

WOW. I must say you have achieved tremendous results. How did you do it? All on the advice of JSF.com or did you use supplemental sources like ~SC~ www.***************.com (http://www.***************.com)? Great job either way. :tu: You look 15 years younger.

Thanks. Though I'm not sure how to take this. Are you saying I look 15 now or I used to look 45? ;)

I started off deciding I wanted to be bigger and strong so started going to the gym. I didn't really know anything though and wasn't eating enough so I lost quite a lot of weight. Then I tried bulking but again wasn't paying enough attention to my diet and as a consequence just got fat again. At this point I went with SGX and leaned out again. SGX made me understand the discipline you require with your diet in order to achieve results. So now I'm trying to slowly bulk again. This time I'm hoping for better results. My diet is completely planned these days. I'm taking no chances.

Oh it's woo-DAN!

I always see your name as wooden.. :o :lol:

Nitrean (could be cheaper but I added the customs charges and delivery, the USA price would be next to nothing!)


I recently got two tubs of Nitrean during their last sale.
The cost with shipping was $95.27.
Two tubs = 3360g of protein.
Cost per gram of protein here = 2.8 cents or 35.3 grams per US Dollar.

Due to the fact that the British Pound has been clobbering the US dollar over the last couple years, it is now worth roughly 2 US dollars... It helps...

But yeah, customs, taxes, etc really blow...
Tell Chris at AtLarge to get a Europen distribution up! :tucool:

Tell Chris at AtLarge to get a Europen distribution up! :tucool:

I think if that were to happen the price of the product itself would have to increase as AtLarge would have to take the customs hit. Sometimes it gets through without charges. I think it's the smaller packaging. I sent Chris a PM asking whether I could request my orders got sent in more and smaller boxes. He said it shouldn't be a problem. So hopefully, next time it should be a little cheaper.

Latest progress, I've gained 10lbs since my lowest weight from the cut. My body fat has gone up but I don't think it's gone up by much. My lifts are much bigger now and each session now I continue to beat my personal bests. I'm hopefully going to continue progressing with my current program for the next few months if not most of the year. This obviously means I won't be cut for summer like I would have liked but as long as I don't go overboard on this bulk I should still be in good shape.

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That sounds a good choice to me. You don't have very much fat on you at all.

Looking good, Woodan. The extra pounds suit you well. Just avoid any bulking challenges with older bodybuilders who like to eat and you should do fine.;)

Looking good, Woodan. The extra pounds suit you well. Just avoid any bulking challenges with older bodybuilders who like to eat and you should do fine.;)

I think one of the main problems with the last bulk (asides from not really knowing what I was doing) was that I treated it as a race. If I didn't see the scale moving each day I was disappointed. Now I'm quite the opposite. I want my weight to go up but not very fast. Saying that I did gain 5lbs a week or so ago when I changed my diet. That seems to have come under control again now.

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Despite my weight rising so rapidly I kept eating the same. I'm only consuming 3500-3700kcals a day which is hardly excessive given my height. I'd like to get to 200lbs again only this time without all the excess blubber. Then hopefully cut down to 185lbs. We'll see what happens. Right now I'm just focusing on increasing my lifts. I'd like body weight bench, 1.5 x bodyweight squat and 2 x bodyweight deadlift for reps by the end of summer.