from last yrs disaster of a diet, here wot ive come up with

currently weigh 145lbs, last yr i went up to around 160lbs but mostly fat.


3 Hard Boiled Eggs with 24 oz of skimmed milk
2 tablespoons of flax
4 scoops nlarge whey protein
8 oz of sliced chicken breast with 140g of broccoli
1 large banana
4 oz tuna
3 tablespoons peanut butter
4 scoops nlarge whey protein beofre bed

1 multivitamin
1 codliver oil caps
2 tabs of purple k post workout
2 tabs of purple k after workout


cals=2900
protein=265g
fat=90g


lifting 3-4 times a week with 20min HT cardio on my off days, i may lower my food intake if i find this is going overboard to start again, possibly go back to 2500 maintanence.

More real food, less whey powder.

More real food, less whey powder.but thats how many scoops your suppose to take of nlarge

1 serving = 4 scoops, take one inbetween meals and one before bed:rolleyes: it would be good if i could get more real food though.

but thats how many scoops your suppose to take of nlarge

1 serving = 4 scoops, take one inbetween meals and one before bed:rolleyes: it would be good if i could get more real food though.


Is this (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pl/large.html) what you are using?

If so, at best that should be used after workouts. It's full of maltodextrin and fructose (85g per serving!), and IMO is a horrible choice before bed.

IMO, that's not a very good product.

Is this (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pl/large.html) what you are using?

If so, at best that should be used after workouts. It's full of maltodextrin and fructose (85g per serving!), and IMO is a horrible choice before bed.

IMO, that's not a very good product.well none of them are really healthy for you i suppose but this one is the best one i know as it worked for me before and ive read nothing but exellent reviews about it.

well none of them are really healthy for you i suppose but this one is the best one i know as it worked for me before and ive read nothing but exellent reviews about it.


4 scoops sounds like a shitload:D.

Just googled it cos I was intrigued - it's 600 calories, 52 g protein and 85 grammes carbohydrate per four scoop serving. That sounds pretty much like an immediate post workout dose only.

I agree with Mannish, it might be a decent choice immediate post workout when you're supposed to take a large dose of protein and sugar but before bed is crazy IMO. All that sugar will just turn into fat, post workout only for that product I think, yet you seem to be taking it during the day and then before bed, fair enough if that's what they suggest but I'd be wary what these companies tell you. - they just want to shift as much of their product as they can.

HI Andy what time do you hit the weights ? if you train evening then 1 suppose you can get away with that nlarge shake...otherwise i would agree with Mannish/Odin in that i Would NOT consider that a good bedtime choice..its full of sugar .carbs etc . i would at least drop the serving to two scoops and then use cottage cheese /almonds/peanuts to make up the difference in calories.

Also any idea how much fibre your taking in ? as you need to keep that at 25g minimum to keep the digestive system in check..especially since your consuming a lot of liquid calories. Go to asda and grab a box of asda brand bran sticks a 50g serving will give you around half your fibre for the day and only 135 kcals also 6 or so grams of protein.you may not like the taste at first but you get used to them..

HI Andy what time do you hit the weights ? if you train evening then 1 suppose you can get away with that nlarge shake...otherwise i would agree with Mannish/Odin in that i Would NOT consider that a good bedtime choice..its full of sugar .carbs etc . i would at least drop the serving to two scoops and then use cottage cheese /almonds/peanuts to make up the difference in calories.

Also any idea how much fibre your taking in ? as you need to keep that at 25g minimum to keep the digestive system in check..especially since your consuming a lot of liquid calories. Go to asda and grab a box of asda brand bran sticks a 50g serving will give you around half your fibre for the day and only 135 kcals also 6 or so grams of protein.you may not like the taste at first but you get used to them..hey hows it goin, hmm, ive never really considered my fibre intake before, i usually hit the weights around 1800-19:00, maybe 19:30 at the very latest, thats during the week unless im working out saturday then it varies cos then theres no work. I chose to take it before bed through hearing its the slowest ingestion time when you sleep so itll have maximum effect, maybe that not the case??????:nope:

i do have a big steak or chicken meal in the evening too but its impossible to workout the cals or protein from any of them as they dont come in a packet with the info on em

Definitely start tracking your nutrition with something that tracks calories/protiens/carbs/fat. Best advice I got was to start using fitday.com, easy as hell to use. I like to be safe and overestimate my portions just a tad.

Definitely start tracking your nutrition with something that tracks calories/protiens/carbs/fat. Best advice I got was to start using fitday.com, easy as hell to use. I like to be safe and overestimate my portions just a tad.im already using fitday.com now, ive used it from the very start, maybe i could swap one dose of my whey protein for a real meal, or how about i jst bump my existing nutrition up instead such as.

half can of tuna.
5 tspoons of pbutter instead of 3 throughout the day, maybe even throw in some low fat yogurts inbetween.

4 scoops sounds like a shitload:D.

Just googled it cos I was intrigued - it's 600 calories, 52 g protein and 85 grammes carbohydrate per four scoop serving. That sounds pretty much like an immediate post workout dose only.

I agree with Mannish, it might be a decent choice immediate post workout when you're supposed to take a large dose of protein and sugar but before bed is crazy IMO. All that sugar will just turn into fat, post workout only for that product I think, yet you seem to be taking it during the day and then before bed, fair enough if that's what they suggest but I'd be wary what these companies tell you. - they just want to shift as much of their product as they can.yep, that is a little silly of me come to think of it:confused:. How bout i use this as a post workout and eat my steak or chicken meal before bed instead and up my intake in replacement of what would normally be my 2nd dose of whey protein?

yep, that is a little silly of me come to think of it:confused:. How bout i use this as a post workout and eat my steak or chicken meal before bed instead and up my intake in replacement of what would normally be my 2nd dose of whey protein?


Up your intake from what at the moment ?


You don't need to go mad on the protein I don't think - at your weight I'd imagine 30 grammes of protein on average per meal over 6 meals = 180 grammes per day should be enough.

Incidentally I wouldn't eat the Nlarge dose earlier in the day either, go for a real food meal, or if necessary, a protein bar or normal protein shake, not the N large.

well none of them are really healthy for you i suppose but this one is the best one i know as it worked for me before and ive read nothing but exellent reviews about it.

There are plenty of healthy options. Just get a casein product or a blend (like nitrean) with low to no carbs and have some along with a fat like natural PB before bed. The fat will slow down absorption over night and the casein will provide a slow digesting protein to prevent muscle breakdown through the night.

Or eat cottage cheese, it's primarily casein protein.

Odin is right. That Nlarge stuff shouldn't be used outside of the workout window, and you don't have to use 4 scoops at a time even in that time period. 2 scoops is probably plenty even then.

Up your intake from what at the moment ?


You don't need to go mad on the protein I don't think - at your weight I'd imagine 30 grammes of protein on average per meal over 6 meals = 180 grammes per day should be enough.

Incidentally I wouldn't eat the Nlarge dose earlier in the day either, go for a real food meal, or if necessary, a protein bar or normal protein shake, not the N large.up my intake from missing an nlarge intake, this would lower my callorie intake if i was to take only 1 serving a day which means id have to replace that with another callorie intake. 180 grams of protein sounds good to me:tu:

up my intake from missing an nlarge intake, this would lower my callorie intake if i was to take only 1 serving a day which means id have to replace that with another callorie intake. 180 grams of protein sounds good to me:tu:

Might as well just have regular protein powder an a big cookie instead of all that sugar in that nlarge :D It would taste better, and be about the same thing...

Eat more real food, or find a protein powder that's not loaded down with junk carbs and use it in combo with some healthy nuts or fruit.

Might as well just have regular protein powder an a big cookie instead of all that sugar in that nlarge :D It would taste better, and be about the same thing...

Eat more real food, or find a protein powder that's not loaded down with junk carbs and use it in combo with some healthy nuts or fruit.i did use to take these 2 a while ago

http://www.maximuscle.com/progainextreme
http://www.maximuscle.com/promaxextreme

dont know if there any better

i did use to take these 2 a while ago

http://www.maximuscle.com/progainextreme
http://www.maximuscle.com/promaxextreme

dont know if there any better

The second one is probably fine, as it's lower carb. The first one is similar to what you are taking with what I suspect is a bunch of maltodextrin in it.

Both have other things in them like creatin, glutamine, and HMB that might have some benefits, but would probably be more economically purchased as stand alone products.

i did use to take these 2 a while ago

http://www.maximuscle.com/progainextreme
http://www.maximuscle.com/promaxextreme

dont know if there any better


Maximuscle products are bleeding expensive. It's £26.50 for 2lb tub of Promax online and £33.50 for a 2lb tub of that promax extreme you quoted.


Save yourself a fortune, go for Smart - Tec Whey FX, £30 for a 5lb tub, less if bought in bulk - it's a blended protein including casein which is better than just whey protein powder which can be absorbed by your body too rapidly apparently, it's also very low in carbs. You can use this protein any time, during they day, post workout or before bed, comes in 3 flavours etc. I have no link to the company incidentally, just came across it in my local fitness store one day:D. It just seems very good value to me compared to Maximuscle products, who are notoriously expensive.

Here's link to site offering delivery, you can see the price difference to the Promax on that site. No doubt the quality isn't quite as good as the Promax powder but I doubt very much it will make any difference unless you were a competing bodybuilder or something.


http://monstersupplements.com/store/p/2741/1/Smart-Tec-Whey-FX-2.27kg.html

For what it's worth stick to basic supplements like protein powder and maybe creatine if you're bulking (Do not do the loading phase if you buy creatine, and take one dose of 5 grammes per day only, these companies will tell you to start off loading with 20 grammes and then maintain with 10 grammes, but they have a massive vested interest on trying to get you to use more so you'll buy more). I wouldn't spend money on stuff like CLA, ZMA, Terristis Terribulus (or whatever the fuck it's called), NO2, buying stuff like that can end up costing you a fortune, I think it's much more important to get your training and diet right and just stick to the very basic supplements.

Maximuscle products are bleeding expensive. It's £26.50 for 2lb tub of Promax online and £33.50 for a 2lb tub of that promax extreme you quoted.


Save yourself a fortune, go for Smart - Tec Whey FX, £30 for a 5lb tub, less if bought in bulk - it's a blended protein including casein which is better than just whey protein powder which can be absorbed by your body too rapidly apparently, it's also very low in carbs. You can use this protein any time, during they day, post workout or before bed, comes in 3 flavours etc. I have no link to the company incidentally, just came across it in my local fitness store one day:D. It just seems very good value to me compared to Maximuscle products, who are notoriously expensive.

Here's link to site offering delivery, you can see the price difference to the Promax on that site. No doubt the quality isn't quite as good as the Promax powder but I doubt very much it will make any difference unless you were a competing bodybuilder or something.


http://monstersupplements.com/store/p/2741/1/Smart-Tec-Whey-FX-2.27kg.html

For what it's worth stick to basic supplements like protein powder and maybe creatine if you're bulking (Do not do the loading phase if you buy creatine, and take one dose of 5 grammes per day only, these companies will tell you to start off loading with 20 grammes and then maintain with 10 grammes, but they have a massive vested interest on trying to get you to use more so you'll buy more). I wouldn't spend money on stuff like CLA, ZMA, Terristis Terribulus (or whatever the fuck it's called), NO2, buying stuff like that can end up costing you a fortune, I think it's much more important to get your training and diet right and just stick to the very basic supplements.dam that seems like a pretty good deal, yeh the maxi products are bleading extorntionate but they seem to be a very good source of nutrotion aswell, i might get some of that you stated as you get much more and you dont have to take 300 scoops of it a day like you do with that nlarge shit.

i currently take purple-k which is the new creatine, it requires no loading phrase anyway and it seems to give me a pretty dam good boost as a post workout, comining it with whey-fx might just be the trick for me.

thanks for the advice friend and thanks everyone else for helping me out, ill keep ya posted on how things go.

i currently take purple-k which is the new creatine, it requires no loading phrase anyway and it seems to give me a pretty dam good boost as a post workout, comining it with whey-fx might just be the trick for me.

You need to stay away from the marketers and muscle mags! :D

Straight creatine monohydrate is perfectly fine and much cheaper. Just look for a micronized version (generally labeld "Creapure"). You don't have to load it, either. You will quickly top off your muscles stores with a 5g day daily dose.

You need to stay away from the marketers and muscle mags! :D

Straight creatine monohydrate is perfectly fine and much cheaper. Just look for a micronized version (generally labeld "Creapure"). You don't have to load it, either. You will quickly top off your muscles stores with a 5g day daily dose.not sure what you mean, i can assure you i stay away from 100% of them souped up ott muscle mags like avoiding cancer:lol:, someone personally recommended purple-k to me and its £20 for 100 caps

not sure what you mean, i can assure you i stay away from 100% of them souped up ott muscle mags like avoiding cancer:lol:, someone personally recommended purple-k to me and its £20 for 100 caps

I buy 1000 g (200 servings at 5g) for $12 of creapure style monohydrate. Not sure what monohydrate costs over there, but over hear there is a large difference in price between the purple k stuff and monohydrate, for no difference in results.

Sounds like whoever recommended it to you got sucked in by the marketing, then.

I buy 1000 g (200 servings at 5g) for $12 of creapure style monohydrate. Not sure what monohydrate costs over there, but over hear there is a large difference in price between the purple k stuff and monohydrate, for no difference in results.

Sounds like whoever recommended it to you got sucked in by the marketing, then.even more expensive than purple-k, looking at 60$ for a 1000g of creapure here:nod:

I buy 1000 g (200 servings at 5g) for $12 of creapure style monohydrate. Not sure what monohydrate costs over there, but over hear there is a large difference in price between the purple k stuff and monohydrate, for no difference in results.

Sounds like whoever recommended it to you got sucked in by the marketing, then.and people wonder why you guys in the US are the biggest and most popular bbuilders in the planet when you can get stuff like that for nearly nothing:lol: