Well I wasn't sure where to post this so I decided to just put it here. I've been doing some reading and research on SC's programs and since I was advised by a few members of this site to bulk, I began to read about SUP2. I searched some of the threads here about it and most, if not all, had success (thanks carguy for your help). so i was wondering if i should give this a try or rather just wait it out and try it on my own for now? would a trainer or dietician that lives by me be more effective? Thanks a lot.

I utilized SC's SGX protocol and was absolutely wholly and completely dumbfounded and amazed at the results I got in such a short period of time. I am a VERY satisfied customer and recommend him highly.

Swole knows his sh*t.

I've never done SGX/SUP2 but I hear and see great things. I went the local trainer route, and got sooooo lucky by picking the strongest looking trainer at my gym.:lol: Turns out he had a ton of experience in weight training and olympic lifts, and I had great results working with him. Of course, that cost a lot more than SUP2. But he wouldn't advise much on diet because he wasn't really trained in that. Of course I've heard of a lot of hack trainers out there...

So you can go either way. There's not really a wrong answer, I'd give one a try for a few months and then try something else for a few months.:)

I would go with SUP2 if you've got the dough, it's not as if Swolecat's charging an arm and a leg.


Diet is the hardest part to get right and it's where most folk fall down. I'm cutting and am doing Swolecat's SGX cutting programme which I read about on here. I went for that because it takes the guess work out of trying to cobble together a proper diet and training programme yourself. Trying to cobble things together yourself can lead to mistakes which can lead to literally years of wasted effort at the gym. The problem for genetically average guys like me is that unless the diet is right you get next to fuck all results.

I've never done SGX/SUP2 but I hear and see great things. I went the local trainer route, and got sooooo lucky by picking the strongest looking trainer at my gym.:lol: Turns out he had a ton of experience in weight training and olympic lifts, and I had great results working with him. Of course, that cost a lot more than SUP2. But he wouldn't advise much on diet because he wasn't really trained in that. Of course I've heard of a lot of hack trainers out there...

So you can go either way. There's not really a wrong answer, I'd give one a try for a few months and then try something else for a few months.:)



There are some really rubbishy personal trainers out there in my experience. Experienced lifters will tell you you're better off getting advice from bodybuilder types who have years of experience and trial and error behind them than PTs in most cases.


And yes it's amazing that PTs generally don't seem to offer detailed dietary advice. They shouldn't be charging clients unless they provide detailed diet sheets tailored to the individual - well after all it's 80% diet as the saying goes - how are folk supposed to get body composition changes for the better without correct dietary advice ?!!

Thanks for all your input. The price isn't really that bad at all. I'm just new to the idea of an online trainer and was a little skeptical at first. I eat well and go to the gym everyday but this seems to be a foolproof way to take the guessing out of the diet part...especially as school starts next week, I'd rather just follow a pre-made diet. So I'm lookin into this so thanks again to everyone who replied

I hear he knows his stuff. Have you given yourself time to research nutrition and workout strategies? Sometimes its best to educate yourself first and then look at paying someone to help you with sticking points, rather than shelling out money for answers that are readily available. 2-300 dollars is alot of dough for most people.

yeah ive decided that, for now, im going to continue what I am doing as I think it is working well. If, down the road, i need further assistance I think I will turn to these programs.