Hello,

now I know some of us are doing weight training for other reasons but a lot of us here a doing it to get in shape, increase confidence, and attract women. Anyway I found this study which I found quite interesting. You may like to take a look.

Below is a cut and paste of the abstract and I post the rest as an attachment.

I couldn't copy the abstract so here's the gist of it. Men overestimate how muscular a women's ideal man is. (in the US at least as this is an American study - but it might apply to Canada, the UK, and Australia as well)

Good news, bad news, or couldn't give a sh!t news depending on your viewpoint.

Cheers

ben1880

Your summary was as informative as it was concise. This makes a lot of sense, as many women quite obviously are attracted to their partners personality more than their physique.

I believe, however, that the vast majority of women will be less picky about other aspects of a man if he is definitively "hot", as it's simply human nature to gravitate towards the attractive things in life.

There is definite appeal to the prospect of being a "head-turner" of a man ;)

I would not describe myself as hot in any way and I have managed (way back when I was single) to win girls away from more handsome counter-parts many times simply because I had a good personality, made them laugh and we had alot in common. I think tastes change with age. Of course there will always need to be a physical attraction at some level, but I feel that the older you get, the more you appreciate that what makes a person attractive is made up of many elements, and not just the physical alone.

Having followed a link here a few weeks back to info about the seduction community, pickup artists, the game and so forth, it's amazing how much looks don't matter with girls. I mean sure they like a good body (who doesn't?), but it seems to be far more about what you say, how you carry yourself, and how you interact with them.

Also from the article:

... and women overestimate the degree of thinness that is most attractive to men.

Yup. For me personally, a girl has to look fed, you know? :p

Having followed a link here a few weeks back to info about the seduction community, pickup artists, the game and so forth, it's amazing how much looks don't matter with girls. I mean sure they like a good body (who doesn't?), but it seems to be far more about what you say, how you carry yourself, and how you interact with them.

The seduction community pick up women by Demonstrating Higher Value. One way of doing so is to have a good body as it shows that can afford to eat well, go to the gym and generally take care of yourself.

I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want. So tell me what you want, what you really really want. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really really really wanna zigazig ha.


Duh.

I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want. So tell me what you want, what you really really want. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really really really wanna zigazig ha.


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I agree with it I have talked about this topic with many women before and it always seems to be the same thing they do not want a ronnie they want a brad pitt. Not only for looks but the fact that they can look after themselves they are healthy and it seems very important tp a female.
I really hate those skinny women it does nothing for me but a toned and healthy women looks beautifull.

The seduction community pick up women by Demonstrating Higher Value. One way of doing so is to have a good body as it shows that can afford to eat well, go to the gym and generally take care of yourself.

Well of course, looking good absolutely helps. But i mean seriously, have you seen pictures or read descriptions of some of these guys?

Well of course, looking good absolutely helps. But i mean seriously, have you seen pictures or read descriptions of some of these guys?

No, but there is no guarentee they are telling the truth. And anyway, they always talk about number closes and kiss closes. From what I've seen a kiss close can be a peck on the cheek. Wow!

I watched The Pickup Artist and although they could teach anyone their game, it just so happened that the only guys that did well were the good looking guys. Yeah, the other guys opened sets and entertained these people for a while. They didn't get anywhere though, did they?.

I'm absolutely not saying you have to be good looking and well built to pick up girls. Damn, I have when I looked like crap. But your charm and wit is never going to attract a girl from across the room.

Ok yes the visual aspect of picking up is very important a buff blokes sits on one side of the room and a female on the other and next to the buff guy there is a I wont say ugly I will say a not as good looking guy sitting next to him. The buff bloke has nice fashionable clothes on and the less good looking guy really isn't up to speed with fashion. Who do you think the girl is going to be looking at and which guy has more chance of being able to speak to her. The buff guy.
Any way to my next point the buff guy gets to speak to her and he is a reall idiot and she is completely turned off by the way that he speaks and the way that he acts. So looks play the first part and then from there on it is all up to charm and personality but with out the looks his chances of meeting would have been less. So I do not care what anyone says there has to be attraction to start with when picking up.
Just my thoughts.

"Any way to my next point the buff guy gets to speak to her and he is a reall idiot and she is completely turned off by the way that he speaks and the way that he acts. So looks play the first part and then from there on it is all up to charm and personality but with out the looks his chances of meeting would have been less. So I do not care what anyone says there has to be attraction to start with when picking up."

I agree leandom - its like if you look good you get first refusal, if you give them you offer and they think you're a dickhead forget it. I've had friends of my, girls that are gorgeous and seen them look at a guy (who to me looked seriously buff and good looking) like she wanted to spit on him if he acted the twat.

But then its exactly the same for me unless i'm really drunk, if a girl is gorgeous but she's right up her own arse and got nothing interesting to say for herself then forget it.

The reason I posted this was just to show people, not that girls don't like buff guys or not that girls have other criteria other than looks (i think its much less important for them than us even for 1niteStands) but that we may be doing all this work in the gym and aiming for a body that is not what the girls who we want to attract like the most.

But also I just wanted to say that (and this has been mentioned before on another thread) that it's not a universal thing. I think the American girls (and maybe Canadian girls I don't know) have a preference for more muscle than British girls. I'm British and have recently broken up with an American girl and from talking to her and the conversations that she had with her British girlfriends Americans seem to have a preference for more muscle. At a guess I think this has a lot to do with sport - in America (I'm guessing here) it's the quarterback who the girls are after, but in the UK its the lean but smaller football (soccer) captain that attracts them.

I know that girls go for a guy they like the personality of over some buff guy who's a prick - I know that. But as has been mentioned above looking good get you first refusal!:tu:

I do not know if all girls ar like that. I mean are all girls only going to go for personality I do not think so there are a few out there that will go with the buff guy that is an absolute idiot just for there self image. So there friends go wow look who shes with (you know what I mean) It makes me think sometimes because to me that is really stupid and really the guy in the relationship does not care because he is so vein he is thinking exactly the same thing as she is.
I have a friend that the girls seem to like he is good looking and he knows it. I can be around him no problem at all even with the way that he acts one of those im good and I know it people he is kind of with his girlfriend because she is hot and she is with him for the same reason and when you get the two together they are the most anoying people on the earth they have no maturaty and they are completely crazy.

leandon - "I do not know if all girls ar like that. I mean are all girls only going to go for personality I do not think so there are a few out there that will go with the buff guy that is an absolute idiot just for there self image."

No, you're are right, but I'm sure you (like me) would want a girl that is with you for more than you're looks. The type of girls that you mention above are usually so boring it's impossible to keep a conversation going with them for more than five minutes.

I think what girls really want is for you to talk to them, tease them, titillate them and feel them up, rather than talking to a bunch of other dudes on the web about your body and your "Game."

I think what girls really want is for you to talk to them, tease them, titillate them and feel them up, rather than talking to a bunch of other dudes on the web about your body and your "Game."

:lol: he has got a point..

Speaking as a certified babe magnet, I can tell you that women want a man who is sensitive, loyal, humorous, protective, rich, understanding, a good listener, FAITHFUL, and compassionate.

I am all those things - with the exception of the rich bit. I also sometimes bend the truth a bit.

Speaking as a certified babe magnet, I can tell you that women want a man who is sensitive, loyal, humorous, protective, rich, understanding, a good listener, FAITHFUL, and compassionate.

I am all those things - with the exception of the rich bit. I also sometimes bend the truth a bit.
You forgot modest :confused:

News flash: Women are far more interested in a man's mind and heart than in his physical appearance.

It's why the circulation of Playgirl magazine is a minute fraction of the circulation of Playboy.

I think what girls really want is for you to talk to them, tease them, titillate them and feel them up, rather than talking to a bunch of other dudes on the web about your body and your "Game."

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Step 1. Get off forums.
Step 2. Be well groomed (this doesn't mean look like Brad Pitt just like you did more than roll out of bed and threw on yesterday's business)
Step 3. Go out somewhere (doesn't have to be club)
Step 4. Open sets (have conversations preferably with women in them :tucool: )
Step 5. Win the crowd (Demonstrate higher value, neg target, BE INTERESTING)
Step 6. Isolate the target
Step 7. Emotional Connect with the target
Step 8. Physical Connection with the target
Step 9. Kiss or number close
Step 10. Rinse/Recycle/Repeat - works like a charm :D

No but in all sincerity folks there is a lack of interesting men because they are too busy pandering. Take control and learn what attracts women (Value, Strength in character, a leader of men, self worth, adaptability, having an emotional side(this doesn't mean wussy), having goals or ambition) don't just use cheesy lines and flex your muscles.

Good luck,
Nate

Hello everyone,

Just thought I'd add to the posts again because well some people seem to have taken it as an opportunity to patronise others. Some of the posts were pretty condescending. Just because some want to have a discussion about what the preferred body type for women is doesn't mean they need to be told that women want confidence/good heart/sense of humour etc. I'm sure some of you were genuinely trying to help

I would think there is a fair few men on here who are trying to get in shape to make themselves more attractive to women. I doubt there is many/any men on here who think the way to a women's heart is by having the perfect body. For me the study was of interest because looking good give me more confidence, and confidence is what makes me want to talk to girls, and I'm much more successful when I'm brimming with confidence.

You see fat/short/ugly etc men with hot girls all the time - and good on them, that's great, but for me unless I feel that I look good enough I don't want to approach hot girls, whereas when I look good I love doing it.

Basically I posted it because: if they don't like bigger (bodies! :lol:) guys as much why aim for that look.

I suppose it just boils down to vanity.

Look, I'm new on here and have received a lot of help from people so I don't want to get anyone's back up - it's just that it's not nice to be on the receiving end of condescension, so I felt I had to explain myself.

ben1880

I think guys should focus on what they want. Not what women want ideally.

With that mentality your always left in "if I could just be this" women will like me. Its weak.

And I think women are sensitive to being aware of "pleasers".

Don't become a social drone....there are alot out there already.

That doesnt mean become a social anarchist either.

Try to think what you would like if her opinion didnt matter so much to you.

Fair enough, I'm probably just annoyed that I look sadder than I am! I'm definitely not a pleaser, but whatever. Let that be the end of it.

Ben, thanks for posting this. One of the main reasons I workout is to be attractive to women, and it's easy to forget that women prefer slightly smaller builds. I wonder why there is such a disconnect between what men and women consider the ideal male build.

I thought the "runaway competition" explanation at the end was particularly interesting. For those who skipped the article, it basically said:
1) when men have some muscle, they are more attractive to women than when they have no muscle
2) men take this too far, and try out-do each other to have more muscle, and go so far that they continue beyond what is attractive to most women
An analogous argument can be used to explain why women strive to be more thin than is attractive to men.

It's too bad this thread was driven so off-topic. I've always found it interesting when my female friends have tried to make themselves so thin that they are actually becoming less attractive. However, I suppose I'm guilty of doing the same: trying to add more muscle believing it will make me more attractive, when it actually does the opposite.

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