No..not John Stone...John Berardi.

Being the "recovery" nut that I am, I may wimp out and never try this program.....but if it works for him it may work for you...:eek:

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/members/showthread.php?t=9082

Yeah, it kind of reminds me of the Poloquin and Waterbury articles about this type of high frequency train every day for awhile then rest programs.

I was working my way into something like this myself, using my non-heavy lift days to do complexes and other resistance based energy work.

I buy it. Your body will always adapt.

-lb

I buy it. Your body will always adapt.

-lb

...for awhile :)

I don't think I'd personally at my age run something like this longer than about 6 weeks.

If I do something like this, I'll probably swap pressing moves up during the week to be nicer to my shoulders. Bench and overhead pressing, alternating. Possibly alternating overhead squats with fronts.

I wonder though, if on the 5X3's, if he was working at weights close to his 3RM. If so, I'm not sure how he could do this every day without sustaining some kind of injury. I know there is no way I could do the same exercise the next day if I went very heavy the day before.

I wonder though, if on the 5X3's, if he was working at weights close to his 3RM. If so, I'm not sure how he could do this every day without sustaining some kind of injury. I know there is no way I could do the same exercise the next day if I went very heavy the day before.

That's the reason I'd end up complicating it by alternating light (overhead) and medium (front) weights. I'm not sure if back squats would be advisable doing something like this, for joints if not for muscles.

He's only done it for two weeks when he posted that. I think you could do it for that long probably. You might not feel really good day in and day out, though :)

I definitely have noticed a trend in guys who have a body I want to emulate and MUCH higher volume than normally recommended. Layne Norton, for example.

Where did the idea come from that JB is Blowing the Doors of Periodization with this?



Originally Posted by Alex Gold
It'll work until it stops working, then it won't work. There is no one routine that will forever guarantee progress forever - any strength coach that says there is doesn't understand how the body reacts. Also, anyone that writes this off is also making a mistake, it has good value as a concentrated high volume strength block - however the mistake would be to carry on past 4-6 weeks. That being said, you can't beat a bit of basics sometimes!

JB's Answer:

Agreed - and that's good advice. So I won't want anyone getting the idea that this is the program I'll follow until the end of my days. Rather, it's the program I'm following right now that is producing excellent results.

The reason it qualified as a forum article is the fact that many, many coaches, upon looking at without knowing the gains I made, would immediately discount it as not worthy of mention.





Originally Posted by TylerGred
Interesting read JB.
How long do you plan on doing this routine?

JB's Answer:

Probably until it stops working...Or until I get bored...I am not an Olympic athlete...Therefore Stu must entertain me

Goonie..

Quotes from article:-

"You see, there's not really much in the way of periodization"

"There's little respect paid to overtraining"

"Exercise variety is overrrated..and so are all those fancy loading parameters"

"You know,some of my athletes have been doing this program for MOST OF THE YEAR...as long as they INCREASE THE LOAD they continue to grow and get stronger".

I buy it. Your body will always adapt.

-lb

NO!

Your body will adapt, until it fails....

Think about a blister and why you get one. A little friction over time and you get a callous which protects you. Too much friction too quickly and you get a blister. The body did NOT adapt. Its ability to adapt was overrun.

"blows the doors off periodization"? :rolleyes: I think you're reading something into the article you want to see, Hevy.

Anytime a coach says his subjects have been on a program that works the whole body 5 days a week continually for a year pretty well dismisses periodization.

He makes no mention of days off per month,week or year (except weekends). There are no "light days".

They're lifting daily on a continual progressive basis.

Even people who lift for a few months often periodize in one form or another such as recovery days,weekly up and down pyramids,weight percentages etc.

Even if you went on this program for six weeks non-stop, that's a month and a half with zero periodization.

Notice that Stu McMillan's program is basically 5x3 (15 reps) except for Rows (5x5=25 reps) and
"any" ab ex 3x10.

HIT is basically 1x12= 12 reps. So in essence you could arguably say that this is daily HIT of a type.

Because it's 5x3, it's a little heftier than HIT IMO.

Never heard of anybody doing HIT daily....but it seems the industrial strength version is no problem for these guys.

:lol: it all comes out, this is some kind of "HIT vs. periodization" vendetta...:rolleyes:

I do not think you grasp the concept of periodization. I confess, I have no knowledge whatsoever of bobsledding or their competitive season as it exists. However, for sports with one competition a year, it is not at all unusual for the base mesocycle to last 16 to 24 weeks, or longer. For Olympic level athletes, many of them compete biennially - consequently I would not be surprised if the base mesocycle in the years prior to Olympic qualifiers or trials was a year in length.

To try to claim this program is HIT is trying to put pants on a dog and claim it's a person. It is a moderate- to moderately high-volume program with moderate intensity (i.e. submaximal loads) and high frequency. It owes more to Olympic weightlifting routines than anything.

No...it's not a HIT/periodization vendetta...I was just using that as an example.

I fully grasp the concept of periodization.

My knees ache just reading over that program.

My knees ache just reading over that program.

I'm going to call you lame-knees.

I'm going to call you lame-knees.

:doh:

Yeah i had knee surgery about 9 years ago. For awhile my knees were really holding up but it took some time to condition them, especially my right knee. I haven't been training consistently for the last 4 or 5 mths so a program like that would play havoc. :cry:

:doh:

Yeah i had knee surgery about 9 years ago. For awhile my knees were really holding up but it took some time to condition them, especially my right knee. I haven't been training consistently for the last 4 or 5 mths so a program like that would play havoc. :cry:

That stinks, what initially was the problem? Smolov has had my knees a little sore, but nothing more than that--thankfully.