http://www.thefinalsprint.com/2006/06/announcing-the-new-sport-drink-chocolate-milk/


Sport nutritionists suggest to fuel your body with carbohydrates when you are an endurance athlete to help replenish muscle glycogen. Most atheltes turn to sport drinks like Gatorade (http://www.gatorade.com/). Yet, what you might not know is that chocolate milk has similar carbohydrate content to many of the leading sport drinks. In fact, in a study done at Indiana University in Bloomington, researchers found that when cyclists refueled with lowfat chocolate milk after pedaling to exhaustion, they biked longer and harder four hours later compared to the athletes who drank a sport drink, concluding that chocolate milk is an effective recovery aid following an exhausting exercise.

Interesting. I've been drinking milk for a while now after a workout...and it does help...the chocolate milk powder I have says it has a lot more vitamins than usual.

Maybe I'll have to switch. I've got a lot of this stuff at home.

And that goes to show that no food or supplements can compete with food found in nature :nod:

It's slightly milk propoganda (don't get me wrong I love milk for workouts as well), and only one study quoted, but the results are interesting none the less. THe sample size was too small to really infer anything though:

n the study, nine male cyclists rode until their muscles were depleted of energy, then rested four hours and biked again until exhaustion. During the rest period, the cyclists drank low-fat chocolate milk, Gatorade, or Endurox R4. During a second round of exercise, the cyclists who drank the chocolate milk were able to bike about 50% longer than those who drank Endurox, and about as long as those who drank the Gatorade.

The findings suggest that chocolate milk has an optimal ratio of carbohydrates to protein to help refuel tired muscles, researcher Joel M. Stager, PhD, Indiana University kinesiology professor, tells WebMD.

But the most puzzling result of the study, experts say, was why Endurox -- which has the same carb-to-protein ratio as the chocolate milk -- fared so poorly. Researcher Jeanne D. Johnston, MA, tells WebMD it may have to do with the different composition of the sugars in the milk. Another theory is that the sugars in the milk may be better absorbed in the gut than those in the Endurox.

And that goes to show that no food or supplements can compete with food found in nature :nod:


That is a truly ignorant statement.

Milk is an excellent food source and would be very good for PWO recovery due to the fact it is a "meal" unto itself with all of the major macros. Research has definitely shown a combination of protein and carbs to be superior to carbs only for PWO recovery.

Check out Opticen for similar purposes: http://atlargenutrition.com/nutrition_detail.php?products_id=2

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That is a truly ignorant statement.


Did you have to say it exactly that way?

I think the point was, that eating real and whole foods is what was originally intended for our bodies. I am of the belief that, for the most part: the closer to whole a food is, the less processed, the less chemicals involved... the better it is for us.

I am not a consumer of energy drinks or protein drinks at all. I just eat fresh, raw (Veg/fruit), real, organic (when I can find it) food. Instead of Gatorade, I drink water and eat fruit.

If I am working out extrememly hard, drink a mixture of: purified water, carbonated water, and add a pinch each of baking soda and salt. Lactic acid is a by product of exercise, right? This is basic mixture, and brings the pH back to a more alkaline state. It allows me to work harder for longer. It is especially effective when competing at altitude...

And- I would not drink milk so I could exercise more. In my experience, it increases mucus production in the sinuses and makes it harder to breath. The Dairy Council is very sneaky about how they present milk to the public. Every time I see something like this, I think: Hmmmm, and who paid for that study? Probably someone who has something to gain financially from it. And who paid those 9 cyclists?

Further- i would never touch a dairy product that was not organic and hormone free.

That's just my input on the propaganda of the Dairy Council. I think we have all been sucked into the milk story for long enough. I use it in my coffee- ONLY- and my bones are way above average for my age. Maybe that's from lifting weights for 28 years? You can see my increased bone density on x-ray... and that is rare: I say LIFT WEIGHTS for bone density... knock off the milk!

Now: if you guys never hear from me again- look into the possibility that the Dairy Council might have blown up my house! LOL!

Have a great day!
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GOT WEIGHTS?

Jen

Milk is an excellent food source and would be very good for PWO recovery due to the fact it is a "meal" unto itself with all of the major macros.

Aye.

Bunch of branched chain amino acids in there too.

By the way we already had this thread here (http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showpost.php?p=519517&postcount=13).

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Did you have to say it exactly that way?

I think the point was, that eating real and whole foods is what was originally intended for our bodies. I am of the belief that, for the most part: the closer to whole a food is, the less processed, the less chemicals involved... the better it is for us.

I am not a consumer of energy drinks or protein drinks at all. I just eat fresh, raw (Veg/fruit), real, organic (when I can find it) food. Instead of Gatorade, I drink water and eat fruit.

If I am working out extrememly hard, drink a mixture of: purified water, carbonated water, and add a pinch each of baking soda and salt. Lactic acid is a by product of exercise, right? This is basic mixture, and brings the pH back to a more alkaline state. It allows me to work harder for longer. It is especially effective when competing at altitude...

And- I would not drink milk so I could exercise more. In my experience, it increases mucus production in the sinuses and makes it harder to breath. The Dairy Council is very sneaky about how they present milk to the public. Every time I see something like this, I think: Hmmmm, and who paid for that study? Probably someone who has something to gain financially from it. And who paid those 9 cyclists?

Further- i would never touch a dairy product that was not organic and hormone free.

That's just my input on the propaganda of the Dairy Council. I think we have all been sucked into the milk story for long enough. I use it in my coffee- ONLY- and my bones are way above average for my age. Maybe that's from lifting weights for 28 years? You can see my increased bone density on x-ray... and that is rare: I say LIFT WEIGHTS for bone density... knock off the milk!

Now: if you guys never hear from me again- look into the possibility that the Dairy Council might have blown up my house! LOL!

Have a great day!
:jumping:
GOT WEIGHTS?

Jen

I made a direct statement which is entirely accurate. It is bothersome to me that one cannot use the english language properly without someone taking it as an insult. You are ignorant by the definition of the word on the topic upon which you were commenting. That much is obvious by the statement you made. If the truth bothers you perhaps you should try to do something about it.

Chris

Well CHris, Im sorry you find my statement so ignorant, as I was scrolling down for an elaboration, I realized, wait! This guy is no ordinary guys, hes an expert, hes a supplement owner and so it makes sense.....Well CHris, let me apologize once again, I change my statement...Natures food isnt the best for our human body, Optican is :)

Let me add on by saying that I regret responding back...This is afterall a "pills and powder" age where everything from nature can be found in the form of tablets or powder (eggs, vegetables, fruits, fiber, meat, etc)...Beginners in hopes of attaining that ideal physique, look for answers in magic powders and pills while overlooking solid food as the core base for it all to happen...And while supplements are in , foods like bread and milk are becoming the enemy...I'm still waiting for one supplement to replace water, or wait, did Gatorade do that already?, perhaps in several years from now, drinking water is actually hazardous to your health...Here's a final thought:
A study conducted in John Hopkins ANthropology and Harvard's Forensic dept. shows that people from the Egpytian Civiilization to Roman Empire were in great physical health and shape..The greek scupltures were actually based on ppl -- ALl done without proper cooking and cleansing method and (GASP) supplements..Whats more shocking, that there were very few evidence of obesed individuals.

Well CHris, Im sorry you find my statement so ignorant, as I was scrolling down for an elaboration, I realized, wait! This guy is no ordinary guys, hes an expert, hes a supplement owner and so it makes sense.....Well CHris, let me apologize once again, I change my statement...Natures food isnt the best for our human body, Optican is :)

This is afterall a "pills and powder" age where everything from nature can be found in the form of tablets or powder (eggs, vegetables, fruits, fiber, meat, etc)...Beginners in hopes of attaining that ideal physique, look for answers in magic powders and pills while overlooking solid food as the core base for it all to happen...And while supplements are in , foods like bread and milk are becoming the enemy...I'm still waiting for one supplement to replace water, or wait, did Gatorade do that already?, perhaps in several years from now, drinking water is actually hazardous to your health...Here's a final thought:
A study conducted in John Hopkins ANthropology and Harvard's Forensic dept. shows that people from the Egpytian Civiilization to Roman Empire were in great physical health and shape..The greek scupltures were actually based on ppl -- ALl done without proper cooking and cleansing method and (GASP) supplements..Whats more shocking, that there were very few evidence of obesed individuals.

I don't know if that was supposed to be sarcastic or what, but Chris didn't do/say anything wrong. First of all, the chocolate milk you're drinking isn't exactly "found in nature" (which doesn't necessarily mean chocolate milk is bad), so your statement was ignorant in more ways than one. People need to stop taking offense to things so quickly..

Also, I don't see how using one or two supplements in addition to a solid training program and diet based upon healthy, natural food sources is so bad. Some of your statements seem REALLY off base...

BTW - most people aren't obese because they take placebo supplements that they think are going to save them, they are obese because they are fat and lazy. Yeah there are people looking for an easy way out, and there are those looking to capitalize off of them, but that is NOT what this forum is about.

Andrew, thanks for the defense.

Transition, if I offended you I am sorry.

I am not saying you are an overall ignorant individual, but you made an ignorant statement in my opinion.

If your statement were accurate, then no drug or supplement would be any better than foods and that is just not the case. The fact that concentration of certain ingredients etc. can have health promoting, healing, or ergogenic benefit is just one example of why supplements or drugs would be superior to foods.

Take creatine. You would need to eat several large steaks to get the same amount of creatine as you get from one teaspoon of the concentrated supplement powder. I am sure you are aware of what that would do to your health were you to do it every day. The supplement creatine allows one to experience its ergogenic benefit without a massive ingestion of calories and saturated fat.

Chris, thank you, thats all I wanted to know, not so much as why the ignorant comment, but an elaboration, so I too apologize if I took it out of proportion..

And Andrew, how about we make the slightest attempt to look at the overrall picture before you publicly call me out? First, I did take offense and why not? When a respected sponsor of JSF with a range of loyal customers comes outta the blue calling personal opinion (of an opionated forum) ignorant without any means of explanation, I am going to say something...

Secondly, I never condemend supplements, I just prefer natural whole foods over supplement whenever I can, and I even wrote how this has been done during the old age where ppl were ALSO, if not in better, health then a society where obeseity for the first time is considered a threat..I found this impressive, since they lacked many things we enjoy such as Medicines, Proper Cooking utlities, supplements, and hygiene....Your defense is admirable, but please don't try to make me look like the bad guy in all of this..Make an attempt to know whats going on before you publicly call me out

Further more if you are going to be so critical of my statements....

1. CHocolate is found in nature
2. Milk is found in nature

and finally, which part of statement #2 dont you agree with? THe fact a lot of importance is placed on supplements over food or the fact, obesity is actually considered a threat for the first time in histroy

1. CHocolate is found in nature
2. Milk is found in nature

The whole "natural" thing is kind of hard to really figure when you get down to it. "Artificial" things are found in nature. Anthrax is all natural but you kind of want to avoid eating it.

I just did a bunch of front squats to figure out how to do them with straps. I hate front squats, even though they are found in nature. So the chocolate milk at the end of the tunnel is a huge plus.

Zen, I'm kinda confused what you mean here...Every chocolate in the world needs the seeds of the cacao tree which are grown in nature...Milk is found in certain female mammals ...And yes bacterias are also found in nature...But going out on a limb here, but so are hot molten lava, petroleum, hyragium, thalium etc but I wouldnt want to take a drink of that stuff :nono: ....I think we have a different interperation on whats natural and whats found in nature...Perhaps you mastered the front squat enough where it becomes as natural as walking...BUt I wouldnt make a comparsion as doing the front squats to something like passing gas or having sex--well maybe some females might:whistle:

Zen, I'm kinda confused what you mean here...Every chocolate in the world needs the seeds of the cacao tree which are grown in nature...Milk is found in certain female mammals ...And yes bacterias are also found in nature...But going out on a limb here, but so are hot molten lava but I wouldnt want to take a drink of that stuff :nono: ....I think we have a different interperation on whats natural and whats found in nature...Perhaps you mastered the front squat enough where it becomes as natural as walking...BUt I wouldnt make a comparsion as doing the front squats to something like passing gas or having sex--well maybe some females might:whistle:

Chocolate does NOT occur naturally. It is derived from a man-made process. In that sense chocolate is no more natural than a creatine monohydrate supplement.

Not chocolate, but the key ingredient used to make chocolate, shouldve been more clearer....I was aiming for chocolates without all the preservatives and stuff...just the bitter dark chocoate of the cacao seeds

Brown cows make chocolate milk. I saw it in a commercial.

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Sorry if I was being blunt, but I don't think it made sense to make offense because he didn't say anything wrong. Maybe he could have offered more of an explanation, but you didn't ask for one either, you just got upset. Either way, it's over with. I do agree with what you're saying about making sure you eat a good diet and work out properly, this is obviously the basis of a healthy lifestyle, and it IS disappointing that there are so many lazy people looking for a non-existant easy way out.

BTW - the key ingredient(s) for most of the supps we are talking about are "found in nature" just as much as the chocolate flavoring is "found in nature" in the form of cocoa beans. Creatine and protein are found in meats. Is it any more natural for people to be drinking pasteurized cow's milk with chocolate flavoring added in? And, possibly more importantly, is this even important? I don't really think whether something is "found in nature", or found in that specific form, is the best method of determining the virtues of ingesting it (e.g. zen's argument about anthrax, or yours about lava etc.).


One thing about that study...they drank the chocolate milk during a FOUR HOUR rest! This is definitely significant...I really like chocolate milk, but I wouldn't drink it directly before or after a workout..it just wouldn't sit well in the stomach..I think a lot of people can attest to this.

Yea I did get upset, but Ill put it to you this way....

"APT product sucks"
"SGX is the dumbest protocol I ever used"
"Nitrean is by far the worst protein I ever had in my life"
"THe Titan is a torture chamber"

I'm sure just posting something like this without any reasoning or elaboration would get me scores of heat from others including the sponserers followed by testimonies and evidences of other JSF members...Do I really need to add a reason? No I dont, but that wouldnt stop from others attacking me for my outrageious statements..I maybe the newer mmeber around here, but Im entitled to some respect of my opinions

There was an article once where John Berardi actually mentioned drinking chocolate milk post-workout. So maybe, their is at least some merit there.

In terms of natural vs. artificial/supplementation. .......Obviously most of your diet should be in the form of natural foods (better put, foods w/ the least amount of processing). Even John Stone said it himself, that ever since he switched to a diet of mostly natural foods, he's felt better than ever. Supplements aren't bad...and some of them yield great results...however, they are supposed to supplement a diet already rich in natural foods that have many different compounds mixed together that react a certain way with your body.

I personally think you can go all natural or all natural with some supplementation. However, if your diet is composed of most/all supplements, it is probably not the best thing in my opinion.

The point is that proper nutrition and training is 90-95% of the battle in getting the results that you want. Supplementation can definitely have some benefits, but it is still secondary.

Yea I did get upset, but Ill put it to you this way....

"APT product sucks"
"SGX is the dumbest protocol I ever used"
"Nitrean is by far the worst protein I ever had in my life"
"THe Titan is a torture chamber"

I'm sure just posting something like this without any reasoning or elaboration would get me scores of heat from others including the sponserers followed by testimonies and evidences of other JSF members...Do I really need to add a reason? No I dont, but that wouldnt stop from others attacking me for my outrageious statements..I maybe the newer mmeber around here, but Im entitled to some respect of my opinions

There are subjective opinions and then objective facts.

Your statement:

"Originally Posted by TheTransition
And that goes to show that no food or supplements can compete with food found in nature "

The above is a highly generalized subjective opinion which flies in the face of the facts.

Food is good. Supplements are a tool to be used to SUPPLEMENT your daily intake of healthy foods. That is a fact.

Does the above make sense to you?

Chris, had you put it like that in the first place rather than a blunt comment, I would have been more calm in my response..At first I wondered why such a storm was created over a simple statement and then I figured it must be the way I said it, and as I look back at my comment, you must've gotten the impression that I value food found in nature over any other food and supplements....

What I meant when I said food "found in nature", I meant in the following qualities: Organic, Unprocessed, No preservatives, No added chemicals, Whole grain, lean meat, etc...So in a way I was addressing this statement to beginners that feel "pills and powders" are the way to go

Food is good - depends who you ask (anorexic for instance)
Food is a necessity - fact
Supplements are necessity - opinion
Supplements a tool for supplemention to an already sound nutrtion - fact

Chris, can we agree with that?

And that goes to show that no food or supplements can compete with food found in nature :nod:

In the context of this thread and from a big picture standpoint...The results between Chocolate milk and ANY pre made supplement post workout shake on body comp or performance would be negligible.

When I worked out at night i used protein powder + carb and now that I workout in the morning I use lowfat chocolate milk so I have experience with both.

Overall, to those that misinterpreted my original statement, let me clarify as to what I meant:

For anyone thats familiar with my journal, they know I was a tool of the growing obesity trend. I owe this to a highly poor diet of Cheesesteaks, Sodas and Fries...Changing my nutritional and fitness lifestyle, I have added years to my life. I owe all of this to the NATURAL approach, BY THIS i mean I followed a more advanced menu of our ancestors..No processed, fried, artificial, preservative & chemically infested junk but also no hunting :)...Just lean meats, Veggies, and Whole Grain... Specifically, the last 5 months I survived only on: Lettuce, Spinach, Cucumber, Oatmeal, Potatoes, Chicken, Beef, Fish , Milk, Eggs, Lemons, Pepper, and Brocolli...Not a thing more...Eventually, once everything became perfect, I added supplements NOT out of necessity, but simply conveniene and thats about it...I firmly feel the natural route is the best way to go, find it ignorant or not, but it works since the dawn of mankind

Yea I did get upset, but Ill put it to you this way....

Why get upset? :confused:

Let it go, man. Let it go. :nod:

Food is a necessity - fact
Supplements are necessity - opinion
Supplements a tool for supplemention to an already sound nutrtion - fact

Chris, can we agree with that?

I agree with the above.

Chris

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Brown cows make chocolate milk. I saw it in a commercial.

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Big X2 on both of these.
I saw the commercial as well, and we all know that anything you see on TV is true, marketers wouldn't lie to us just to get us to buy a product, that would be wrong.
Now providing that popcorn is lightly salted, quit hogging the bag!

I never started the thread for people to get so worked up about it.

I usually drink the chocolate milk AFTER the workout....

I also don't understand why people say sports drinks have less calories....one Powerade has 210 calories....chocolate milk...1 cup has about 144.

I never started the thread for people to get so worked up about it.

I usually drink the chocolate milk AFTER the workout....

I also don't understand why people say sports drinks have less calories....one Powerade has 210 calories....chocolate milk...1 cup has about 144.

What do you mean by "1 powerade"? 1 cup of Powerade has 60 calories.

What do you mean by "1 powerade"? 1 cup of Powerade has 60 calories.

Yeah, but most people don't drink just one cup of powerade. I suppose they could, but I think most people just chug the whole bottle.

Yeah, but most people don't drink just one cup of powerade. I suppose they could, but I think most people just chug the whole bottle.

One bottle has around 210 calories....thats usually what I drink.

Exactly my point though....usually people drink one bottle of powerade...unless they mix it up themselves. Gives you more calories than milk....IF you drink one cup of milk.

One bottle has around 210 calories....thats usually what I drink.

Exactly my point though....usually people drink one bottle of powerade...unless they mix it up themselves. Gives you more calories than milk....IF you drink one cup of milk.
A Powerade is 2.5 cups, so that's 84 calories per serving, which is significantly less than the 144 calories per serving of the chocolate milk, which is why people say "sports drinks have less calories." Whether you're drinking Powerade or chocolate milk, the quantity is up to you -- just because the bottle is 20 oz doesn't mean you have to drink all of it, which is why it's accurate to say that "sports drink have less calories" in this case.

As well, while you can likely make an accurate judgment that most people drink the entire bottle of Powerade, I don't think you can make the same concerning the chocolate milk. By the same logic, every time you see someone buy a gallon of chocolate milk, you'd expect they would drink all of it, which may or may not be the case. Moreover, for that reason, if you're going to follow the logic of drinking 20 oz of Powerade because that is the size of the container, it might be rational to assume that, on average, because chocolate milk comes in gallon containers, chocolate milk drinkers drink more calories over all.

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As well, while you can likely make an accurate judgment that most people drink the entire bottle of Powerade, I don't think you can make the same concerning the chocolate milk.

True. But I nearly always down the whole bottle of chocolate milk.

A Powerade is 2.5 cups, so that's 84 calories per serving, which is significantly less than the 144 calories per serving of the chocolate milk, which is why people say "sports drinks have less calories." Whether you're drinking Powerade or chocolate milk, the quantity is up to you -- just because the bottle is 20 oz doesn't mean you have to drink all of it, which is why it's accurate to say that "sports drink have less calories" in this case.

As well, while you can likely make an accurate judgment that most people drink the entire bottle of Powerade, I don't think you can make the same concerning the chocolate milk. By the same logic, every time you see someone buy a gallon of chocolate milk, you'd expect they would drink all of it, which may or may not be the case. Moreover, for that reason, if you're going to follow the logic of drinking 20 oz of Powerade because that is the size of the container, it might be rational to assume that, on average, because chocolate milk comes in gallon containers, chocolate milk drinkers drink more calories over all.

:)

Sorta my point.

Today I drank 10 oz chocolate milk....180 some calories.

Thats usually what I drink each day after a workout....about 30 calories less than what one bottle of powerade is.

There was an article once where John Berardi actually mentioned drinking chocolate milk post-workout. So maybe, their is at least some merit there.



No he didn't, he clarified it once in an article (no , I can't drum it up, but it's out there)... the Men's health editor or staff writer added it in. Beradi never said what to take.

No he didn't, he clarified it once in an article (no , I can't drum it up, but it's out there)... the Men's health editor or staff writer added it in. Beradi never said what to take.

Actually, Berardi said to take Surge (big surprise), but the Men's Health editor replaced it with chocolate milk.

If there's anything we learned, or should learn is this: "when it comes down to fitness and nutrition, no matter how many cites or sources you use, there will always be just as much to denounce it." -TheTransition

Bottomline, do what works for you

Actually, Berardi said to take Surge (big surprise), but the Men's Health editor replaced it with chocolate milk. Must be all the cooking I do with aluminum pots and pans. Well there you go. I knew it was something like that, but I do know that Berardi gets quoted with the chocolate milk reference all the time, and it's incorrect.

Yeah, go figure they'd bleep out a little self-promotion. :whistle: