anybody?

Talk about a 180 to what I thought I knew. Apparently it has some merit in science, none of the gurus that I've seen are dismissing it. Interesting stuff, if nothing else.

anybody?

Talk about a 180 to what I thought I knew. Apparently it has some merit in science, none of the gurus that I've seen are dismissing it. Interesting stuff, if nothing else.

Any articles ... from said gurus? Personally I think fasting for weight loss is ... well I'll leave that out, but I wouldn't do it. If it is for religious reasons I can understand, and can't say that I haven't thought about doing so for those reasons. Then again I have a goal, and I am not going to stray from that. Nor would I be willing to put my body in a catabolic state after reaching said goal. I guess it depends on the sort of fast that you do too. I got a great reply from one of the folks at my church on fasting, it's about 3 pages long. I may still have it in my email... PM me if you want me to forward that. But yeah... for weight loss I'd say fasting is the poo poos.:neener: Then again I'm not a guru :)

I think the key word is INTERMITTANT. Check out Black Dawn's journal, he has been using this with sucess ;)

Any articles ... from said gurus? Personally I think fasting for weight loss is ... well I'll leave that out, but I wouldn't do it. If it is for religious reasons I can understand, and can't say that I haven't thought about doing so for those reasons. Then again I have a goal, and I am not going to stray from that. Nor would I be willing to put my body in a catabolic state after reaching said goal. I guess it depends on the sort of fast that you do too. I got a great reply from one of the folks at my church on fasting, it's about 3 pages long. I may still have it in my email... PM me if you want me to forward that. But yeah... for weight loss I'd say fasting is the poo poos.:neener: Then again I'm not a guru :)

If you are eating anywhere near sane amounts of foods you are alternating periods of anabolism and catabolism anyhow. The question is how long these periods are. If you never put your body into a "catabolic state" you would never be able to lose a single gram of fat.

I've been using intermittent fasting the last 5 weeks, and dropped more or less 4 cm in waist measurement while keeping my weight almost constant. I'm quite confident that I haven't selectively atrophied my abdominal and back muscles, so that means dropping fat and increasing muscle mass. I'm eating 2500 kcal in average each day, and in fact decided to increase that to 2700 kcal to counter a slight negative trend in body weight. Since I'm a small guy, that's not very little food.

I find it great compared to the 6-small meals per day mantra. I feel immensly more satisfied when I get to eat plenty of food in a few meals instead of grazing the whole day and never feeling full. I can also get away with eating substantially more carbs, and it makes "social eating" much less of an effort since I don't have to worry as much about eating only small meals, or carry around small containers of food wherever I go.

I think this is a good reading for anyone considering IF.

http://www.leangains.com/

I think this is a good reading for anyone considering IF.

http://www.leangains.com/

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As for the gurus, here what THE guru has to say about it(far from glowing, but not dismissed):

http://www.alanaragon.com/an-objective-look-at-intermittent-fasting.html

Intermittent Fasting is good stuff. I'm currently using it and have gotten back to where I was before I completely went to crap. My body composition at 260 now is much better than what it was 6 months ago at 260. I think this approach works much better for me than the "six meals a day" method. My strength has gone up significantly. I was going to post the exact same question on here after searching yesterday and seeing zero threads with the exact phrase "Intermittent Fasting."

Good luck all!

Also, a good supplement to JSF for Intermittent Fasting related topics and other nutrition/fitness/bodybuilding are the Catalyst Athletics Forums. Here is the IF sub-forum there: http://www.performancemenu.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=4

I think this is a good reading for anyone considering IF.

http://www.leangains.com/

Good call on the LeanGains site. Martin knows what he's talking about! :tu:

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As for the gurus, here what THE guru has to say about it(far from glowing, but not dismissed):

http://www.alanaragon.com/an-objective-look-at-intermittent-fasting.html

The Aragon article is a great piece of writing. It's as objective as you can get on the topic and definitely provides a wide view of IF and traditional multi-feeding/grazing approach pros and cons!

Black Dawn turned me on to it 5-6 months ago and I tried it for a couple weeks. The science behind it is sound, but I personally found that I greatly preferred my numerous small meals. Hopefully he'll poke in and make the case, but I say give it a shot.

Black Dawn turned me on to it 5-6 months ago and I tried it for a couple weeks. The science behind it is sound, but I personally found that I greatly preferred my numerous small meals. Hopefully he'll poke in and make the case, but I say give it a shot.

I like eating often too, but I don't like eating 400 calorie "meals" often.

For me, eating six meals a day is like going to strip club. It's a tease. I wanna binge:lol:

I like eating often too, but I don't like eating 400 calorie "meals" often.

For me, eating six meals a day is like going to strip club. It's a tease. I wanna binge:lol:

Ha! I feel that. In fact, that's why I got pumped about IF...and then it turned out that the three MEALS were so negligibly larger than my five "meals" that it wasn't worth it to be starving all day. But then again, I was cutting pretty hard core when I tried it...maybe when I'm back up to maintenance, IF will provide those thrice-daily feasts that we all crave.

I put some info in my journal about it but ultimately ended up lifting in the morning. I like the concept but eating only in the morning and fasting in the afternoon is much tougher than just wating to eat until 6pm or whatever. I did it for about a week and really enjoyed it. I found that I didnt get hungry at all.

If I ever decided to workout after work again this is probably the route I would take.

Calories in/ calories out and protein/fat/carbs ratio are much more important than if you eat 6 or 3 meals/day. Personally I feel better and my mood is more positive if I eat 6 meals/ day. But I dont think progress would be that much different with 3 meals and the same number of calories.

IMO, this is really not a very significant issue. It´s important to eat the way you prefer and the way you can live with long term. Fitness should be about a new and better lifestyle. The number of meals must work for you. You should not force yourself to eat 8 meals/day and you also should not force yourself to go without food for hours and feel more hungry than you have to.

Regards!

Another interesting read:

http://www.fatlosstroubleshoot.com/if.html

Hmmm...so if I want to work out around 5 o'clock, and go to sleep around 10, giving my self an 8 hour eating window (according to the above article) would mean I should eat starting at around 2 to end at 10 (in order to encompass pre/post workout nutrition). So there is no breakfast? I've heard again and again how important that is, but once 10 o'clock hits, I am not supposed to eat again until 2 the next day? (This is my first experience with this sort of fasting). Would it really throw things off to eat breakfast, and then keep the rest of the calories in that 2-10 window?

Hmmm...so if I want to work out around 5 o'clock, and go to sleep around 10, giving my self an 8 hour eating window (according to the above article) would mean I should eat starting at around 2 to end at 10 (in order to encompass pre/post workout nutrition). So there is no breakfast? I've heard again and again how important that is, but once 10 o'clock hits, I am not supposed to eat again until 2 the next day? (This is my first experience with this sort of fasting). Would it really throw things off to eat breakfast, and then keep the rest of the calories in that 2-10 window?

I think is alright. Have breakfast and then eat from 2 to 10. If you are hungry midmorning, a snack won't hurt, either. Woke up in the middle of the night to go to the loo? Have a meal. Actually, as long as you keep calling what you are doing Intermitent Fasting, something magical will happen to your body and you'll burn-off the cals out of your "feeding window" while using the 2 to 10 cals to build muscle and grow.

Ok, enough sarcasm. :D Now, seriously, that program is designed the way it is for a reason. If you decide to follow it, I'd advice to follow it to the T.