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Ilias
September 4th, 2007, 04:50 PM
Hi:

I discovered this site about 2 months ago, when I finally decided to do something about my weight - I had never really worked out before. Since then, I have started to eat right and exercise 6 days a week (you guys are an excellent source of inspiration :tucool:). In the 9 weeks since then I have lost about 8 pounds, which isn't bad. However, moving forward I would like to increase my weight loss rate. Here is my current info (sorry if this is a bit long, please bear with me):

PERSONAL:
Height: 5'8''
Weight: ~185lbs
Age: 23

DIET:
Breakfast
1.5 cups of All-Bran Cereal + 1 cup of skim milk

Lunch & Dinner
- 1.5 cups of red rice with meat (I am pretty confident it is 1 cup - but I just eat as much meat as is necessary to finish the rice), and 1.5 cups of vegetables (usually boiled Chinese vegetables; I don't know the English names)
- two slices of whole-wheat bread with eggs or tuna and some fruit

Snacks (both after-lunch and after-dinner)
- fruit (apples, oranges, bananas, peaches, watermelons, etc)
- plain boiled corn on the cob
- cashews (handful)
- 2 cups of Chinese sesame soup
- 2 cups of soup or 2 cups of red bean soup (its actually full of different types of nuts/beans and black rice).

For the main meals, I pick one of the bullet points, for the snacks I might combine two points (i.e. some fruit and some cashews). I usually drink water, but sometimes I have skim milk. In these past 9 weeks, I didn't wake up early enough to eat breakfast except for once a week. This will likely change when I start school next week.

As for exercises, I alternate between weight days and cardio days, with Sunday off. For the weight exercises, I followed the Abs Diet Exercise Plan, which I found at:http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=weight.loss&category=abs.diet&conitem=682a99edbbbd201099edbbbd2010cfe793cd____&page=1
I have been using 5lb dumbbells, and I still have difficulty completing the last reps of each set :). For convenience, I will post the exercise routine (more information can be found by following the link - I chose the home version of each exercise, which hopefully will have the same effect as the gym versions)

Tuesdays/Thursdays
Exercise Reps Sets
Traditional Crunch* 12–15 1
Bent-Leg Knee Raise (Pulse-up on Thurs)* 12–15 1
Oblique V-Up (Saxon Side-bend on Thurs)* 10/side 1
Bridge (Side Bridge on Thurs)* 1-2 1
Back Extensions* 12–15 1
Squat 10–12 2
Bench Press 10 2
Pulldown 10 2
Military Press 10 2
Upright Row 10 2
Triceps Pushdown 10–12 2
Leg Extension 10–12 2
Biceps Curl 10 2
Leg Curl 10–12 2

Saturdays
Squat 10–12 2
Bench Press 10 2
Pulldown 10 2
Travelling Lunge 10/leg 2
Military Press 10 2
Upright Row 10 2
Step-up 10/leg 2
Triceps Pushdown 10–12 2
Leg Extension 10–12 2
Biceps Curl 10 2
Leg Curl 10–12 2

For those exercises which I didn't star, they are part of the circuit group, and I do those twice (i.e. on Saturday, I do all exercises from Squat to Leg Curl, then repeat).

For the cardio exercises, I just alternate between 30 seconds of high intensity stuff and 30 seconds of low intensity stuff (i.e. running or going on the elliptical) for 5 minutes, than rest for 1.5 minutes. I repeat this 3 times (actually I just changed it from 2 to 3 about two weeks ago) for a total of 5x3+3x1.5 = 19.5 minutes.

So that is where I am at currently. I have noticed that I am not progressing to heavier weights (as I mentioned 5 lbs per dumbbell still tires me out), and that after the first 3 weeks, I will alternate between not losing weight or gaining a little weight one week (like a pound), and then losing 2 pounds the next week.

[Edit: I realized I wasn't being very specific/clear about my questions, so I'll list them]
Questions:
1) I was wondering if anyone can recommend a new set of exercises that would give me better results (if you just have a new set of exercises that might be better, I would still appreciate them as variety is the spice of life :))? I am aiming for 6-8 pounds of weight loss per month going forward. I would appreciate weight exercises that ONLY require dumbbells (i.e. no barbells, no chin-up bars, preferably no bench although I have a piano bench that might suffice if required), and the minimal number of weights (I only have 8 2.5lbs plates for my dumbbells). The reason behind this condition is that I am poor and can't afford equipment. Now, my university has a gym, but I would prefer to work out at home. I like that I am alone, and there is no equipment contention :)
2) Am I doing enough cardio? I think I am basically doing HITT, but are 30 second cycles enough? Should they be 1 minute cycles instead? Is it ok to break the cardio into 5 minute chunks, with 1.5 minutes of rest in between like I am doing?
3) How important are pre and post-workout meals? I see a lot of recommendations for protein shakes, but again, I would like to avoid all unnecessary costs and am personally not too comfortable with taking supplements of any kind (I would prefer to do things the natural way). I generally find that I like some fruit & nuts after my weight training, and a main meal after my cardio (usually dinner). Are these diet decisions hampering my progress?
4) Why does my weight swing like that? For the last 6 weeks, its gone: up 0.8lbs, down 2.5 lbs, up 0.6 lbs, down 2 lbs, no change, down ?? pounds (I haven't weighed myself this week, but I think I lost some weight). Is this a sign that I am doing something wrong? I haven't changed my diet/exercise regiment in these past 6 weeks.

Please keep in mind that I am a complete beginner when it comes to exercise/nutrition, so if you could make things as simple as possible (i.e. when listing exercises, it would be really helpful if you could provide a link to a step-by-step idiot-proof guide as to how to do that particular exercise).

Phew, that was a long post. Thanks for taking the time to read it and I look forward to what you guys have to say :)

leandom
September 4th, 2007, 09:04 PM
Ok what is the total calories?
How much protein/carb/fat are you consuming in grams or percentage.
By the way congrats on losing 8 pounds very good keep up the good work but you are worried about lifting strength do here we go.

As for the exercises very simple you are doing to many of the same exercises in a row I see that there is:
Squat
Bench press
Pull down
Military press
Upright row
Tricep push down
Leg extensions
bicep curl
leg curl
You are doing these same exercises on tues/thurs/sat try and train your muscle groups on seperate days so on tues do upper body on thurs lower body and you should have recovered from your tues upper body work out if you have been eating correctly so you can do your upper body again on saturday.
You are only giving yourself a day to recover from these exercises that is not enough time so your lifting strength is not going to increase. I am not going to do up a programe for you. I am not a personal trainer and dont pretend to be. But if you are just starting and would like a simple plan try the www.bodyforlife.com (http://www.bodyforlife.com) site very basic and takes all the guess work out and after you use something like the body for life
make your own programe from what you feel has worked for you. Or have a look on this forum a lot of the guys on here have a lot of knowledge when it comes to training and have posted up some great routines and meal plans they have helped me so I am sure they can help you.
Please let me now what your plans are and as stated at the top your calories and then all of us can have a look and give you some great advice.

Ilias
September 5th, 2007, 11:16 PM
Hi:

leandom: Thanks for pointing me to that site - I think those exercise demo videos they have on the site are going to be very helpful for a newbie like me :) However, while it does provide a plan, the system they use requires a lot of (dumbbell) weight changes between sets, and some of the exercises require an incline bench or barbell, both of which are going to be problems for me for reasons I stated earlier.

At any rate, here is the requested nutrition info, plus extra info that I think should be relevant.

BMR = 66 + (13.7 X weight in kgs) + (5 X height in cms) – (6.8 X age in yrs)
= 66+13.7x84.75+5x170-6.8x23 = 1920.68
Calorie Total = 1920.68x1.55 = 2977.05
Calorie Target (assuming 2lbs/week weight loss)= 2977.05-1000=1977.05 (~2000)

The numbers listed are (calories - fat/carbs/protein)
Breakfast
1.5 cups of All-bran Cereal: 375 - 3/102/17
1.5 cups of skim milk: 129 - 1/18/13
Lunch/Dinner
Option 1
1.5 cups of red rice: 325 - 3/67/8
1 cup of salmon: 197 - 6/0/34 OR 1 cup of beef: 332 - 23/0/30 OR 1 cup of pork: 362 - 25/0/31
1.5 cups of vegetables: 54 - 1/11/4

I basically eat whatever my mom makes. I just ask her to make it without a lot of oil and cut away the fat, plus I only eat at most 1 cup of meat.

Option 2
two slices of whole-wheat bread: 138 - 2/26/5
eggs (1 whole + 1 egg white): 117 - 7/1/10 OR tuna+miracle whip:197 - 4/2/35
fruit (I eat different kinds so I'll just list a few):
- 1 apple = 81 - 0/21/0
- 1 orange = 62 - 0/15/1
- 1 peach = 42 - 0/11/1

Snacks (both after-lunch and after-dinner)
fruit (same note as above, I just generally eat more fruit when used as a snack):
- 2 apples = 162 - 0/42/0
- 3 oranges = 186 - 0/45/3
- 2 peaches = 84 - 0/22/2
- 1 banana = 109 - 1/28/1
1 plain boiled corn on the cob: 59 - 0/14/2
handful of cashews: 163 - 14/8/5

For the soups (sesame, red bean, etc.), I couldn't find any nutritional info on them, but they should be pretty healthy (and I don't eat them that often). The ingredients for sesame soup are ground black sesame seeds, ground white rice and boiled brown sugar. I usually chose one or two of these "snack foods" to be one snack.

Since I tend to have some variety, the ranges I give should be taken as approximate:

Total Calories = 1858 - 2176 (~2000)
Macro-nutrient Ratio (carbs/proteins/fats) = 70/22/8 - 67/23/10 (~70/20/10)
[ignore these numbers 35/311/100 - 50/347/118]

It does seem like my diet is high in carbs (when compared with the recommended 40/40/20 or 50/30/20). Any suggestions/ideas on what food changes I should make?

As well, I would really appreciate any more answers to the questions I raised in my first post. I would love to increase my progress in the coming months. Thanks in advance.

Foley
September 6th, 2007, 08:41 AM
As a starting point, your carbs are too high and your proteins and fats are way too low :)

At your weight, I would not want to lose 2lbs a week. IMO this should only be done if A) You weigh a lot to begin with or B) Your diet is spot on.

You should be getting protein in every meal, and then splitting the carbs and fats between the others, depending on when you weightlift or do cardio.

Your workouts contain too much volume, I would search for a more structured plan and follow that for a while.

Ilias
September 6th, 2007, 01:59 PM
At your weight, I would not want to lose 2lbs a week. IMO this should only be done if A) You weigh a lot to begin with or B) Your diet is spot on.

Are you saying that I should be consuming more calories? I should try and clarify that my current diet is just a result of my conviction to eat clean, and to eat less. The fact that the numbers would support weight loss of 2lbs/week is more of a coincidence (and what a coincidence :)).

You should be getting protein in every meal, and then splitting the carbs and fats between the others, depending on when you weightlift or do cardio.

I am not sure what you mean - I should consume only protein during main meals (because I do get protein both during lunch and dinner), and then only carbs and fats after workouts?

Your workouts contain too much volume, I would search for a more structured plan and follow that for a while.

I don't understand what this means - are you saying that my workouts are not focused enough? If so, could you recommend sets of exercises which I could do instead? I have looked around at other exercises, but as I stated before, the problem is that most of them require equipment beyond the dumbbells that I have at home.

Foley
September 6th, 2007, 02:16 PM
Are you saying that I should be consuming more calories? I should try and clarify that my current diet is just a result of my conviction to eat clean, and to eat less. The fact that the numbers would support weight loss of 2lbs/week is more of a coincidence (and what a coincidence :)).
Just seems like you calculated to eat for 2lbs a week fat loss. Any case, I would add 500 calories onto this, and see how that goes.



I am not sure what you mean - I should consume only protein during main meals (because I do get protein both during lunch and dinner), and then only carbs and fats after workouts?
OK, poorly worded. For example, if you eat 6 meals a day, you would want protein in each of these. Then divide your fats and carbs between the 6 meals, so 3 each. You would want to centre your P+C meals around your workouts, and also in the morning. Have your fats at the other meals, especially before you sleep.



I don't understand what this means - are you saying that my workouts are not focused enough? If so, could you recommend sets of exercises which I could do instead? I have looked around at other exercises, but as I stated before, the problem is that most of them require equipment beyond the dumbbells that I have at home.
You seem to be doing a lot of exercises, which results in a lot of volume. Why not try a 3 day split? Search on here or http://bodybuilding.com for something.

If you do not have access to this equipment that you need, then I would join a gym. You say you don't like equipment contention. Why don't you do a little research and find out when the gym is not so busy.

All you would really need is 1 Bench, a Power Rack and some floor space. This allows you do most of the main compounds lifts. Do you have to "fight" to use these, or are you fighting to use machines? E.g. Leg Press?

Your cardio is sort of HIIT, but with rests. HIIT is short, hard intervals, followed by slightly longer, moderate intervals. E.g. 30 seconds all out, 45 seconds moderate, repeated 8 times. I would start out with minimal cardio, and get the diet and weights sorted first.

Pre and post workout nutrition can be debated till the cows come home, but I think they are both important. My views are, slower digesting protein and carbs pre workout and faster digesting carbs and protein immediate postworkout, and the same as pre workout about 1 hour after immediate post workout.

Protein powder is a great way of making up deficits in protein intake due to cost. It is a cost effective way or getting your numbers up to your target, and if you find a good one, it can taste like a milkshake. :)

I wouldn't worry to much about scales, they generally lie. Just use pictures and measurements as a better idea of how you are progressing.

Hope this helps clarify some misunderstandings, mainly on my use of English :o :lol:

Chameleon
September 6th, 2007, 04:04 PM
Your cardio is sort of HIIT, but with rests. HIIT is short, hard intervals, followed by slightly longer, moderate intervals. E.g. 30 seconds all out, 45 seconds moderate, repeated 8 times. I would start out with minimal cardio, and get the diet and weights sorted first.

actually... HIIT is ANY alternating high intensity cardio session... you can do 1 min fast/1 min slow, 1 min fast/45 seconds slow, 30 seconds fast/30 seconds slow, 30 seconds fast/1 minute slow (although this one isn't as intense it might be good for a beginner), etc.

leandom
September 7th, 2007, 01:36 AM
Yes I agree with foley there are alot of carbs in the diet I would be trying to bring down the carbs and up the protein a bit. Try having a porion of protein and carbs with every meal and vegies with two of the meals and eat 6 meals a day. If you are not to sure what a portion is it is the size of your fist.

Ilias
September 7th, 2007, 02:02 AM
Foley: Thanks for clearing things up (I'm sure no small part of the confusion was due to my newbieness :)), and providing the link to bodybuilding.com - it has a ton of very helpful and useful information. Just one more question: could you give me some examples of fast-digesting carbs and proteins, as well as slow-digesting carbs and proteins?

Thanks to all who've replied. If anyone else has any advice, feel free to lay it on me :tucool:

Jedi
September 7th, 2007, 03:48 AM
For the sesame paste and soups, I couldn't find any nutritional info on them, but they should be pretty healthy (and I don't eat them that often). I usually chose one or two of these "snack foods" to be one snack.



FYI 2 cups of sesame paste is 2976 calories, so i woudn't make this a regular snack if i were you;) I eat one to two tablespoons as an alternative to peanu butter or almonds. and of course i buy the natura brand without added salt/sugar!

Personally if u want to reduce carbs, I would reduce fruit(to 1-2 pieces a day)/corn/bread and increase green veggies then for snacks you cab do protein/fat snacks eg cottage cheese+ almonds, tuna+olive oil+cucumber, tahini+protein shake etc

Ilias
September 7th, 2007, 02:08 PM
Jedi: Its not the same sesame paste as listed under something like fitday (or at least I don't think it is). It's more of a Chinese soup consisting of ground black sesame seeds, ground white rice and some boiled brown sugar. [Edit: Actually, to avoid confusion, I'll change my 1st post to reflect this] I'm told its great for both your hair and kidneys :) Thanks for the nutrition advice - its comforting to see that its in line with what I had in mind after Foley's posts :tu: - and I'll try implementing the changes in the coming days.

Foley
September 7th, 2007, 02:12 PM
No worries mate, glad to help. Any other questions, post them up and they will be answered :)

Foley
September 7th, 2007, 02:16 PM
Foley: Thanks for clearing things up (I'm sure no small part of the confusion was due to my newbieness :)), and providing the link to bodybuilding.com - it has a ton of very helpful and useful information. Just one more question: could you give me some examples of fast-digesting carbs and proteins, as well as slow-digesting carbs and proteins?

Thanks to all who've replied. If anyone else has any advice, feel free to lay it on me :tucool:
I only just saw this. :lol:

Fast digesting proteins = whey protein, whether it be isolated, concentrated or hydrolyzed. Hydrolyzed digests quicker as it has already been broken down, then isolated, then concentrated. I do an iso/con mix, but that is because I do not have access or the money to ship in something like Nitrean.

Fast digesting carbs = Hi GI carbs = Dextrose, white grains (pasta, bread). I would opt for Dextrose, its simply sugar, very sweet and makes a sweet tasting protein shake when mixed with Whey.

Slow digesting proteins = chicken, tuna, turkey, beef, eggs etc.

Slow digesting carbs = low GI carbs = oats, whole grains, brown rice, sweet potatoes etc.

Hope this helps.

Foley
September 7th, 2007, 02:18 PM
actually... HIIT is ANY alternating high intensity cardio session... you can do 1 min fast/1 min slow, 1 min fast/45 seconds slow, 30 seconds fast/30 seconds slow, 30 seconds fast/1 minute slow (although this one isn't as intense it might be good for a beginner), etc.My knowledge of cardio is limited, thank you for sorting that out. I just assumed it had to be very intense, followed by some sort of dynamic rest, so moderate pace. Building up the intensity is probably best for beginners. When I feel my diet and training do not suit my needs, I may add in some HIIT and I too will begin learning :)

zenpharaohs
September 7th, 2007, 02:37 PM
Fast digesting carbs = Hi GI carbs = Dextrose, white grains (pasta, bread).

Pasta tends to be medium and low GI, even compared to bread, let alone the ultimate speed carb - dextrose.

Foley
September 7th, 2007, 06:15 PM
Pasta tends to be medium and low GI, even compared to bread, let alone the ultimate speed carb - dextrose.Yep, just noticed that now. Agreed on the dextrose, I wouldn't touch the others unless I ran out of the stuff.