is the question i should ask all my peers and CO-workers...
lately i have been getting so much crap for being on a diet it makes me very very upset:mad::mad:

my boss.[who is kinda healthy him self, no pop, no beer ever]
his wife [gives advice alot, like a second mother]
co-worker [works out with me]
two friends[over weight slobs]

all of the above make fun of my effort at perfection !!!!

here are comments i herd today

"your too skinny why do you want to lose weight"

"dont worry about eating right untill your 30,
splurge now when you can"

"you cant eat the same thing everyday, its not good for you"

"HA HA you eat peanut butter for dinner, your stupid"

"peanut butter wont make you lose weight"

"you will lose your mind and go crazy, i was on atkin diet i know!!"

"you lose memory with no carbs after lunch"


_and the reason why i posted this, my last comment i herd today.

"who is telling you to eat that garbage, whoever said that DO NOT know what they are talking about"
"HA HA, he blog's it up on the net to learn diets"

^well thats you guys on JSF:nono:

now usually i just let this go, but when i refuse to eat with the crowd at work, or when i have to get the co-workers KFC, burritoLOCO etc. and come back with nothing for myself, i get crap for it..

_for instance today i was forced to go home without my lunchbox, because it was left behind at work, my boss said "who cares just splurge tomorrow,BAJAFRESH!!", NO i have to bring it warm now!!!!!

its hard to defend myself and at times and i need really good reasoning, besides i want to lose weight, and body fat, get abs....

really gets me upset, when i put all my effort and will power to avoid eating dirty, for them to say well who cares, your dumb, thats wrong...


AHHHAAAHH.... needed to vent,,,

btw: i lost another two pounds this week:tucool:
5'8-----160->138


__thoughts??????

Well, when you are finished with your diet, you can then show off and they will STFU:)

Don't let them get to you :tu:

You have several options, though not all of them may be viable.

1) Calmly explain to these people why you're doing what you're doing, tell them it's not your problem that they haven't educated themselves about proper nutrition, and that if they won't support you actively, the least they can do is shut up (you might want to state that more politely ;)).

2) If that doesn't help, ignore them completely and carry on with what you're doing. This also means not getting upset when they make comments about your food choices. Eventually they'll probably stop because they're no longer getting a rise out of you by making fun of your diet.

3) Consider just how much you want to be friends with people who drain you emotionally and try to sabotage your efforts. I have decided for myself that I will no longer tolerate "energy vampires" in my life. Of course, if those vampires are your boss and your co-workers you have little choice unless you decide to quit your job. However, you could try limiting interaction to a minimum.

lately i have been getting so much crap for being on a diet it makes me very very upset:mad::mad:

thoughts???
I think they're concerned about you.

I think they worry that you may be following some misdirected advice, and they worry that you may be susceptible to an eating disorder. They might see that you look pale, for instance, or might be concerned that you're more focused on diet than on other things that used to be more important to you. Maybe they see that you're not as relaxed and peaceful as before, and that's making them uncomfortable.

As long as you completely understand the nutrition plan you've been following and the reasons for eating the foods that you do in the quantities you do, and as long as you're sure that your goal weight is a healthy one for your frame size, you're safe to ignore them.

People only give crap to people who will take it. So if you can give a brief explanation about how your diet works, they'll quit bothering you. On the other hand, if you become defensive and start a counterattack against their character or intelligence instead of against their advice or their direct criticisms, then they'll continue to believe that your nutritional knowledge is very weak, and you might be in danger. People used to criticise my habits when I was approaching a really low body weight, and I'm glad I took the time to listen to their concerns. :nod:

People in general are assholes, more so in groups, and if they can see its bothering you they will drill into you even harder until you run home crying or something. You can defend your actions or try and explain reasoning tell your blue in the face, but people usually only hear what they want to so its probably just a waste of your eating time.

Personally if anyone questions what I'm eating I just say "I like it" and continue eating. If they start ATTACKING what I'm eating, I just say "I like it" and keep eating. If they ask why I'm not eating Mcdonalds liek them, I first raise one eye brow at them, then give them a funny look, then say "I prefer this thanks".

Also most people associate the word "diet" with something fat people do once a year as a new years resolution, not with its real meaning. So stop calling it a "diet" and start calling it your "nutritional change" or something else, but don't call it a "diet".

Other then that just learn to relax and let stupid shit like that roll off your back, you will find life more relaxing once you do.


Chris.

ahhh.. jealousy rears it's ugly head... I can tell you that it's most likely just that... jealousy... your boss is jealous that you're younger than he is and that HE used to be able to cheat more before he turned 30, so he's projecting his jealousy that he can't cheat more anymore :nod:, I dunno about your co-worker... I'm not sure which comments were his, the two slobby fat friends... WAYYYYY jealous that you're getting healtier and losing weight... they are jealous that you have the will power to do what you're doing :nod:

oh... and the atkins guy... what a joke... a proper diet looks nothing like atkins :nono: atkins is a FAD diet... explaine the difference to them ;) and explaine that the word DIET actually means "lifestyle" and not FAD ;)

I've gone through all of this at my job too.. and with some of my friends and family... they have ALL come to the conclusion that what I'm doing works and that I'm going to continue doing it whether they like it or not... I still get the random comment like "come on just have one cookies, what's it going to hurt?", which I just blow off and walk away from ;)... Guava had a very good point (several actually ;) ) in her post... explain your plan to them... hell, invite them to check this site out and prove that the advise is not only good but it WORKS if implemented... just wait until you're ripped with a 6 pack... they'll shut up then :p:tucool:

I think they're concerned about you.

I think they worry that you may be following some misdirected advice, and they worry that you may be susceptible to an eating disorder. They might see that you look pale, for instance, or might be concerned that you're more focused on diet than on other things that used to be more important to you. Maybe they see that you're not as relaxed and peaceful as before, and that's making them uncomfortable.

As long as you completely understand the nutrition plan you've been following and the reasons for eating the foods that you do in the quantities you do, and as long as you're sure that your goal weight is a healthy one for your frame size, you're safe to ignore them.

People only give crap to people who will take it. So if you can give a brief explanation about how your diet works, they'll quit bothering you. On the other hand, if you become defensive and start a counterattack against their character or intelligence instead of against their advice or their direct criticisms, then they'll continue to believe that your nutritional knowledge is very weak, and you might be in danger. People used to criticise my habits when I was approaching a really low body weight, and I'm glad I took the time to listen to their concerns. :nod:
I'm sorry guava, you usually give great advice, but I think your uterus got in the way of this one. Men aren't like that, for the most part they are just like big cruel kids. I doubt his boss and co-workers are concerned about his health (his mom sure, but not them) they probably just see him doing something they don't understand, so like a group of monkeys they flick peanut shells at him instead of actually trying to comprehend what he's doing. Chances are if he nicely explains how his nutritional plan works etc. etc. that will just open up more vulnerabilitys for them to attack.

This isn't always true, 1 on 1 guys can be nice too.... but in general once you get a few of them together they just act like a bunch of retarded cruel apes flicking fecal matter at each other.

PS:No offense meant towards your uterus, I'm sure its very nice, I was just using it to discern the sexes.


Chris.

I'm sorry guava, you usually give great advice, but I think your uterus got in the way of this one. Men aren't like that, for the most part they are just like big cruel kids. I doubt his boss and co-workers are concerned about his health (his mom sure, but not them) they probably just see him doing something they don't understand, so like a group of monkeys they flick peanut shells at him instead of actually trying to comprehend what he's doing. Chances are if he nicely explains how his nutritional plan works etc. etc. that will just open up more vulnerabilitys for them to attack.

This isn't always true, 1 on 1 guys can be nice too.... but in general once you get a few of them together they just act like a bunch of retarded cruel apes flicking fecal matter at each other.

PS:No offense meant towards your uterus, I'm sure its very nice, I was just using it to discern the sexes.


Chris.

I think you're both right, in a way. Most people who criticize do care about you, but they also don't understand it. And, naturally, people tend to criticize that which they don't understand because it's easier than changing their perspective.

For example, my mother is always on me about my diet and the rowing I did, which she just rolled her eyes at. But yesterday I talked to her on the phone and told her I'd been running every morning (changes of pace are fun and exciting!) and she was genuinely impressed, even though it's about the same intensity as the rowing I've been doing, and serves almost the same purpose (with the exception of not burning the hell out of my lats). Go figure.

Another example is my girlfriend. We're both in between our 3rd and 4th years of our 4-year undergrad programs. I'm in English, but she's taking a dual degree in - get this - Life Sciences and Phys. Ed. Yeah, she likes to talk about nutrition as much as I do, and we both come from two different perspectives. She hates the amount of protein I get (I'm getting about 45% of my cals from proteins), and thinks that a good split is more along the lines of 60/20/20 of carbs/pro/fat. She also is obsessed with sodium. Her criticisms of my diet drive me nuts, but here's the thing: often times she's right, and following her advice has helped me. It wasn't until she nagged me that I realized I wasn't getting enough fibre in my diet, and so I made the change and I think it's helped. But again, she finds my more intense "cutting" phases annoying and even though she knows I'm not going to quit she hints that she really wants me to. Oh well.

"your too skinny why do you want to lose weight"

btw: i lost another two pounds this week:tucool:
5'8-----160->138


This is very telling. I would probably be that person at this point.

I think it's time, now that you have your diet in order, to find a good, heavy lifting program and starting putting on some lean mass. Even though you think you may still be fat, that is a hold-over from when you were carrying some extra weight...it's just your old self-image. Time to put on some muscle.

People in general are assholes....Interesting. Most of the people in general that I interact with are quite nice. I must be luckier than you.;)

I don't know why people think it is their business what you eat or don't eat. Either ignore them or tell them to f**k off. I would no longer tell anyone anything regarding what I was doing either diet-wise or life-wise, let the results speak for themselves. If they ask, just be vague.

People really suck and want to spread their misery around. Realize it and move on. Good luck!

You can't, simply can't, let them get to you. Nevermind their motives. Just mentallly go "lalala, can't hear you, too busy getting incredibly ripped neenerneener lalala" and keep doing what is working for you.

Most people just don't get it. Don't. Get. It. So...you can hang out with the people who do get it (friends from the gym, etc.) or you can cheerfully ignore the folks who are eating KFC and calling it food. Explaining is futile. Just smile and nod and eat your tuna.

The part where you don't go out to lunch with friends, or go and order a salad, is one of the prices you pay for building that temple. Life is full of choices. You can go with the crowd, give up on your healthy body, and not get any guff, or you can "take the hit" in criticism, ignore them, and do what you think is right. You probably can't have both.

I just went through this with some people I know who told me that I'm obsessed and must have an eating disorder because I am trying to exercise/diet my way from 25% to 20% bodyfat. If I want to keep doing this, I have to ignore them. It's a pain, and it does bother me some, but I do it anyway.

But...this is a super place to rant about it! Rant away, we hear you!

95% of the people you interact with will have no clue as to what you are trying to do. America has a serious nutrition problem if you ask me. Most people either think eating fad diets (weight watchers, atkins, etc.) or good old starvation is the key to dieting and having a good physique. You just have to let all their comments go in one ear and out the other or you will go insane from their stupidity (perhaps ignorance is a better word, but fuck them they are stupid)

I used to catch alot of crap at work cuz I drink protein shakes and eat clean everyday. Until my coworkers saw me at our company picinic without baggy dress clothes on. But there are still some of the idiots who have no clue, and blab to me about how they cant lose weight and regardless of any advice I try to give them, it falls on deaf ears or I get the "well you dont have a wife or kid" excuse, which is a personal favorite of mine.

So basically, just ignore it, and use it as motivation to make them feel even more jealous.

Well just to throw one out there in support of the human race, and even the male species, most of the people I've worked with have been rather supportive of my diet and found it helpful to learn that you can lose weight without starving yourself by having to eat only a rice cake and an apple for lunch. I did say most, certainly not all.

If a group was going to McDonald's I would occasionally hear something like "I'm guessing you don't want anything, right?" or "how many Big Macs should we get you? (haha)", but there wasn't any true malicious intent with these remarks. They were simple jokes among co-workers.

For anyone to say "you're dumb" or "you're doing it all wrong" and truly mean it, then that's something totally different and disrespectful. Don't let their negativity get you down.

I work with the same sorts of folks, they poke fun at my efforts. They were really bad when I started like 3 months ago, going on about "seeing if I can do it". Well 3 months later, I still work out 5 days a week for 1.5 hours and still am getting better at eating clean. I have gone from 186lbs to 169.2 ( this morning ), now they've seemed to shut up about the "can he do it". But they still make remarks about my eating habbits. I constantly have people taunting me with doughnuts and oatmeal cookies... GRR !

My boss is cool though, it was someones b-day and everyone brought in treats, she brought in a bag of apples for myself and her to share... So that was HUGE! I like my boss.

Anyway, the point is that they're just jealous pricks, I would suggest you ignore them and keep doing what you're doing. When you get to like 10% BF though, I would start bulking...

PS: They sound a lot like John's neighbors, the ones that snickered at him when he was "large". ( If you read that bit about him in the FAQ )

I guess I'm just too stubborn and hard headed to care. I've never drank alcohol in my life, and I get asked a lot of times about the peer pressure. I've never felt any pressure, because I made the decision for my health based on extended family problems with alcohol, and that's that. I have never even felt tempted.

As to food, I eat what I want when I want and don't let others affect my decision. I don't argue with them, but it's my health I'm controlling and "peer" pressure doesn't really matter to me. I am not 100% strict, though. I will go out to eat occasionally because I never allow myself to get out of the 10-15% bf range and am comfortable in my own skin varying within that range.

Do people ever tell me I'm crazy? Sure :) My girlfriend's mom who's gone through every diet known to man and even considered surgery at some point has told me several times "we're all going to die of something". Sure. That's fine. Her goals and values are different than mine, and I let the comments pass amusing myself internally with my own sarcastic comments without voicing them :D

I don't even really care what the motives of people are that might think I'm strange. It just doesn't matter to me.

I guess what I'm saying is that if you are confident enough within your own skin and with your goals and steps you are taking to achieve them, you will have to learn to toughen up to this and not let it bother you.

This is very telling. I would probably be that person at this point.

I think it's time, now that you have your diet in order, to find a good, heavy lifting program and starting putting on some lean mass. Even though you think you may still be fat, that is a hold-over from when you were carrying some extra weight...it's just your old self-image. Time to put on some muscle.
I was just about to post something very similar.

138lbs? Is that a typo? If not, well then, with all due respect I think your coworkers might have a point. I think cutting is the last thing you should be doing. JMO! :)

Of course your co-workers are being insensitive to not support you in your fitness quest. However, when I began mine, I lost weight quickly and was not weight training. A woman I work with told me I shouldn't lose any more weight. I thought, "oh yeah, probably jelous". But, at that point, she was right and was really concerned for me. When i look back at pictures of myself from then, I'm appalled. How did I go so much in the opposite direction?

I then joined a gym and really started weight training in earnest. And you know what, I now weigh more than when I started (when I thought I was fat), my waist is one inch smaller than when I got skinny, and my shoulders, arms and chest are way-bigger. I have the V taper we're all after and no one tells me I'm too skinny any more.

So I guess I'm saying it may be time to add muscle to your fitness goals and that will probably involve adding weight, but it will be the right kind of weight in the form of muscle. Good luck. You've proven you have the determination to follow through on your fitness goals.

You can look at yoursellf and decide who's right. If your too skinny try to bulk up. If your not and making real progress then keep doing what your doing. We can't say who's right, we can only take one side or the other, but only you know what you want for yourself. And only you can achieve that. Jelous and lazy people can be extremely annoying, but beeing obsessive can be even more damaging. Decide what is right for you and go from there.

I will say tho I'm 5'6" 145 and it's definitely time for a bulk :D But of course we're 2 different people, and I'm sure my frame is different than yours.

People in general are assholes,

LOL. yea, I'm definitely not a 'people person' and basically have the same view.

Actually for the most part I like the people I work with - (except one new guy has become quite annoying with his comments on my diet, but it's definitely jealousy). But in general I think 'people' are assholes.

Actually if I think about it, when I say 'like' I really mean 'can stand being around in relatively small doses, like 1 day or an evening'.

i lost alot of friends for the same reason.

'friends'.

lol.

whatever.

I was just about to post something very similar.

138lbs? Is that a typo? If not, well then, with all due respect I think your coworkers might have a point. I think cutting is the last thing you should be doing. JMO! :)

Agreed. I don't think your co-workers are jealous at all .... or are trying to derail your fitness goals. If you are a male, at 5'8", weigh 138 pounds and are trying to DROP weight, I'd be thinking the same thing as your co-workers. At this point, it isn't about fitness and health .... I can't imagine many scenerios where your fitness and health will be improved by dropping lower than 138! If you still have EXCESS bodyfat at that weight, then you need to put on some muscle.

In this case, I think you should listen to your co-workers.

Agreed. I don't think your co-workers are jealous at all .... or are trying to derail your fitness goals. If you are a male, at 5'8", weigh 138 pounds and are trying to DROP weight, I'd be thinking the same thing as your co-workers. At this point, it isn't about fitness and health .... I can't imagine many scenerios where your fitness and health will be improved by dropping lower than 138! If you still have EXCESS bodyfat at that weight, then you need to put on some muscle.

In this case, I think you should listen to your co-workers.


you think so????maybe my scale is wrong...

i just took a pic after dinner to be current::

http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/17914/2005563430328184055_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005563430328184055)
http://aycu19.webshots.com/image/19578/2000445256407563218_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000445256407563218)
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here is my fitday::

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=fiddynick

and i work a heavy 3day split with 2days cardio sat-sun off..??

now i may look stupid, :cry: please tell me i am in the right direction??

Focusing on increasing muscle mass gets my vote. Lift heavy and eat big.

you think so????maybe my scale is wrong...

i just took a pic after dinner to be current::

http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/17914/2005563430328184055_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005563430328184055)
http://aycu19.webshots.com/image/19578/2000445256407563218_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000445256407563218)
http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/16272/2002294640722727262_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002294640722727262)




here is my fitday::

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=fiddynick

and i work a heavy 3day split with 2days cardio sat-sun off..??

now i may look stupid, :cry: please tell me i am in the right direction??

you look good and you're going in the right direction. You could use some more muscle on your frame but if u wish to lose more fat then that's up to you.

As for your friends/coworkers....a quote from "Pursuit of Happyness" comes to mind:

"You got a dream, you gotta protect it. People can't do something themselves, they wanna tell you that you can't do it. You want something? Go get it. Period. "

You're going to have to learn how to handle these people. First, I'd surround yourself with like-minded ppl. In fact, surround yourself with so many of these fitness-oriented ppl that there's no/very little room for the other negative ppl. Second, don't get sucked into their world or their thinking. They are in YOUR reality, NOT the other way around. Finally, I think when you put on some muscle and they see it....most of them will change their attitudes in short order.

you think so????maybe my scale is wrong...



I should be clear here. My primary disagreement is with most of the other posters in this thread, and the sentiments they are expressing -- which seem to me to be utter nonsense. It is exceedingly popular on this website to cast all others that question a particular goal as being a bunch of jealous, negative people who desire nothing more than to sabotage your goals with extreme prejudice. If you were 30% bodyfat, and were trying to get down to a healthy range, then I might be inclined to agree with them.... but that clearly isn't the case here.

I'm not sure how you are portraying your wish for reduced weight/bodyfat to your co-workers. If you are implying that you are cutting further for health and fitness reasons, then I would react exactly as your co-workers have done. Cutting further will not improve your health and/or fitness. It might not harm it, but it certainly won't help it. If you are doing it purely for aesthetic reasons...then that is a different matter entirely. Bottom line: You have to determine for yourself the kind of body you want....as long as you don't get yourself into the unhealthy weight/bf ranges. Personally, I'd like to see you do a slow bulk....but thats just me. If you want to cut further in order to obtain the type of look you want, then simply explain that to your co-workers...but, if you try to tell them that you are doing it to for health reasons, then they have a good basis for calling you out on it.

Also, the problem might be in how you are explaining it to them. When a 138 pound guy of your height says "I want to lose weight", most people think there is a problem there. Instead, you might explain to them that your goal isn't to "lose weight" per se, but rather to change your body composition....and that your eating habits are aimed at that particular goal.

Anyway...I wish you luck in attaining your ideal physique :tu:

Yes, it is time to put on some muscle. There is no way you will achieve the physique you want (or the body I'm assuming you want) by dropping any more fat. You will end up being a lot of bones, and you probably will be spinning your wheels trying to get there.

My suggestion- ramp up the calories slowly, and find a good full body lifting program. Total Body Training (http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=508031) comes to mind.

Do you suppose it's a girl thing? Because I firmly believe that most people are pretty nice.

Yes, it is time to put on some muscle. There is no way you will achieve the physique you want (or the body I'm assuming you want) by dropping any more fat. You will end up being a lot of bones, and you probably will be spinning your wheels trying to get there.

My suggestion- ramp up the calories slowly, and find a good full body lifting program. Total Body Training (http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=508031) comes to mind.

wow. if this is true,..
alll my time, money, and will power invested will be for nothing...

you may be right i just thought in another month i should have some abs then bulk....

butttt.....im soo confused now:eek:

wow. if this is true,..
alll my time, money, and will power invested will be for nothing...

you may be right i just thought in another month i should have some abs then bulk....

butttt.....im soo confused now:eek:

You could do that too- 5-8lbs and you'd have abs, but at what expense? You'd be very lean, and probably will lose some of the mass you have to get there. It depends what your goals are- if you want abs, go for it, but you'll have to have a spot-on diet. You could eat just below maintenance, and lift heavy, timing your carbs.

Lots of options- depends on your goal. I'd say put on some muscle- you've got a good frame to work with.

wow. if this is true,..
alll my time, money, and will power invested will be for nothing...

you may be right i just thought in another month i should have some abs then bulk....

butttt.....im soo confused now:eek:

Your time, money and will power were definitely not wasted. I just looked at some pictures in your media journal from February 07 and it's obvious you lost weight through your mid section and your arms look more muscular. Has your strength increased while you lost weight?

You've leaned yourself out pretty well and now have a good frame to add some mass to.

I should be clear here. My primary disagreement is with most of the other posters in this thread, and the sentiments they are expressing -- which seem to me to be utter nonsense. It is exceedingly popular on this website to cast all others that question a particular goal as being a bunch of jealous, negative people who desire nothing more than to sabotage your goals with extreme prejudice. If you were 30% bodyfat, and were trying to get down to a healthy range, then I might be inclined to agree with them.... but that clearly isn't the case here.

I'm not sure how you are portraying your wish for reduced weight/bodyfat to your co-workers. If you are implying that you are cutting further for health and fitness reasons, then I would react exactly as your co-workers have done. Cutting further will not improve your health and/or fitness. It might not harm it, but it certainly won't help it. If you are doing it purely for aesthetic reasons...then that is a different matter entirely. Bottom line: You have to determine for yourself the kind of body you want....as long as you don't get yourself into the unhealthy weight/bf ranges. Personally, I'd like to see you do a slow bulk....but thats just me. If you want to cut further in order to obtain the type of look you want, then simply explain that to your co-workers...but, if you try to tell them that you are doing it to for health reasons, then they have a good basis for calling you out on it.

Also, the problem might be in how you are explaining it to them. When a 138 pound guy of your height says "I want to lose weight", most people think there is a problem there. Instead, you might explain to them that your goal isn't to "lose weight" per se, but rather to change your body composition....and that your eating habits are aimed at that particular goal.

Anyway...I wish you luck in attaining your ideal physique :tu:
I agree with every word in this post. Well said.

Maybe not every word, but this certainly rings a bell: It is exceedingly popular on this website to cast all others that question a particular goal as being a bunch of jealous, negative people who desire nothing more than to sabotage your goals .

I'm all for support, and this place is great for that. But you will have to do a reality check as well, from your photos you look pretty lean, no wonder people tease you a little (this happens to me a lot too, since my arms, which show, are lean, and my butt, which is covered up, isn't so lean, so folks think I'm skinnier than I really am).

You should certainly do what you think is right. But maybe it is time to tweak your program a little and add some mass. Trust me, I know; the cutting thing gets to be a way of life after a while, it can be hard to know when to stop.

I wouldn't take any advice from the general public on dieting.

Look around you. In any mall, on any day of the week. People hauling asses around the size of Volkswagens. Sitting in the sunny bistros and fast food pavilions eagerly gorging on doughnuts, poutine, burritos and the like.

The ones that aren't either look Bulemic or non-symmetrical.

Half of the people I work with can't climb a flight of stairs without getting winded.

The remaining 2 percent are self-proclaimed nutrition experts, eager to offer an uncalled-for piece of advice at any time.

Most of the information they are eager to dispense is bogus grass-roots mythology.

I get this all the time. However most of the people doing the dispensing have weight problems.

But they are not about to change because they are creatures of habit and food is their one big comfort.

North America is all about comfort food. Comfort food is the acceptable drug. You won't go to jail for being addicted to Corndogs.

Everywhere, all over the nation, people gather on weekends to have a Comfort Food-In. (JSF Cheat Meal Participants excluded!) There are even contests with children involved to see who can look like the biggest pig while shoveling crap into their faces without use of hands or cutlery.

We revel in the glow of wealth and excess.

There are diets by the hundreds out there marketed to the masses, who, apparently just can not stop filling their faces with sh*t.

And these face-stuffing,blimp-like, disgusting specimens of humanity are going to tell me how to eat?.....not in this lifetime, my friend.

I feel a certain degree of pity for their pathetic attempts at self justification.

They are in the same class as addicted Heroin users and terminal alcoholics. They will defend themselves to the death for their "fix".

Forgive them...they know not what they do...

I wouldn't take any advice from the general public on dieting.

Look around you. In any mall, on any day of the week. People hauling asses around the size of Volkswagens. Sitting in the sunny bistros and fast food pavilions eagerly gorging on doughnuts, poutine, burritos and the like.

The ones that aren't either look Bulemic or non-symmetrical.

Half of the people I work with can't climb a flight of stairs without getting winded.

The remaining 2 percent are self-proclaimed nutrition experts, eager to offer an uncalled-for piece of advice at any time.

Most of the information they are eager to dispense is bogus grass-roots mythology.

I get this all the time. However most of the people doing the dispensing have weight problems.

But they are not about to change because they are creatures of habit and food is their one big comfort.

North America is all about comfort food. Comfort food is the acceptable drug. You won't go to jail for being addicted to Corndogs.

Everywhere, all over the nation, people gather on weekends to have a Comfort Food-In. (JSF Cheat Meal Participants excluded!) There are even contests with children involved to see who can look like the biggest pig while shoveling crap into their faces without use of hands or cutlery.

We revel in the glow of wealth and excess.

There are diets by the hundreds out there marketed to the masses, who, apparently just can not stop filling their faces with sh*t.

And these face-stuffing,blimp-like, disgusting specimens of humanity are going to tell me how to eat?.....not in this lifetime, my friend.

I feel a certain degree of pity for their pathetic attempts at self justification.

They are in the same class as addicted Heroin users and terminal alcoholics. They will defend themselves to the death for their "fix".

Forgive them...they know not what they do...

Excessively harsh, man. Not everyone has their head in the sand, sometimes it's just a matter of different priorities.

Hi, I'm going to chime in and say that I agree that you need to start bulking. I noticed that you were working to get your abs to show. What then? Did you know that unless you do it very slowly (with slower results) that when you bulk up, your abs may not show anymore?

Rarely does anyone bulk w/o a little fat on top of the muscle. So save yourself the trouble and go straight to lifting and eating. Cut out that middle man! Muscle burns fat, invest in that muscle and you'll get bigger returns on fatloss down the road. Right now you have a nice 4-banger when you could have a V-10 fat burning engine. :)

I want to add that you have a very good canvas to start from too. Don't risk losing more muscle just for the sake of seeing abs. Yeah I said losing muscle because there's so much to learn, and we're trying to help you avoid the misake of cutting yourself too far. It's all up to you though, obviously. Good luck and good on you for getting started! :claphigh:

P.S. Read my journal and you'll see that I didn't have abs either and I skipped it to bulk! (I still don't have abs today! Not done bulking!)

well i guess your[JSF] got me this far, i will try a month or so of bulk..

now i am no bulker;)meaning i have never done it.
an i guess i will have to put these new size small shirts on the back burner...

what do you suggest?

a journal and you guys give advice there.[never had one]

or just fresh threads on the subject like i usually do....

i need help with a bulk style diet..
also,i want a tune 3day spilt, which i think i have...

advice.
thanks in advance..!!

_nick

well i guess your[JSF] got me this far, i will try a month or so of bulk..

now i am no bulker;)meaning i have never done it.
an i guess i will have to put these new size small shirts on the back burner...

what do you suggest?

a journal and you guys give advice there.[never had one]

or just fresh threads on the subject like i usually do....

i need help with a bulk style diet..
also,i want a tune 3day spilt, which i think i have...

advice.
thanks in advance..!!

_nick


wow nick, i think you're doing good.

personally, i'm going to go against the grain of alot of the guys on here posting, and i'm really small, but i'm gonna stick to this.

i would cut until you at least get a four pack, with the bottom two not entirely defined. then i would be satisfied with bodyfat levels, and increase the calories for a month or two. usually i'll eat 'maintenance' for a month, and then i'll bulk for a month or two.

as soon as the six pack starts to go away, is when i know its time to eat at maintenance for another month, and then cut. that seems to work with me.

yes, i have a six pack on good days. and yes, i can deadlift almost twice my weight, bench more than my weight, squat more than my weight, and clean and jerk more than my bodyweight. so i'm not all skin and bones.

it's easier for the belly fat to stay off if more of it is gone at the beginning.. i know, i know, people say it's easier to burn more fat when you ahve more muscle, but whatever. for every 2 lbs of muscle i gain, i usually get about 1 lb of fat. there's simply no way about that. i'd rather gain 4 lbs of muscle and then only have to burn off 2 lbs of fat at the end of 2 months, than have to burn off 6 or 7 lbs of fat at the end of it all.

i dunno, i do things a little differently, and it's working alright for me.

i think you're on the right track.

mattback a regular in my posts:tu:

i have been lifting super heavy with little results soo...

i think i may do one month,
calorie maintinence intake,
and hopefully i will build some mass adding 500 calories to what i eat now....

then a month cut..

a journal is what i may post...

Excessively harsh, man. Not everyone has their head in the sand, sometimes it's just a matter of different priorities.


I don't think HevyMetal was being harsh at all. He was being honest!

We went grocery shopping yesterday and as usual, I scanned the store to see whose around and what they're buying. One women with her daughter in tow stuck out.

The mom was over 300 plus pounds and the daugher who couldn't have been more 8 years of age was huge. When this kid walked, she waddled and couldn't keep up with her mother because she was out of breath. How do I know she was out of breath? Because she was huffing and puffing when she walked past me.

As a result of seeing this, I didn't get mad at the daughter, but I certainly was given her mother the snake eye behind her back as she's killing her kid with the mountains of crap she calls groceries. There wasn't a single piece of fruit or vegetable to be found. It was all cereal, ice cream, cookies, doughnuts, cases of Mountain Dew, ect. I wanted to take her daughter aside and let her now that her mother is in dire need of help, but I didn't.

The other person that caught my attention was another woman that was walking around solo. She thought she was all that by walking around the store with clothes that were atleast 3 sizes to small with her gut hunging out, but for every guy that would pass her way, she'd start flipping her hair around and just being obnoxious in general.

I don't mean to derail this thread, but yes, there are plenty of people that are walking around with asses the size of Volkswagons and not only are they hurting themselves, but they are also inflicting this types of habits on their children. Some parents act so concerned about the increase of diabetes in children, but they refuse to look past their noses to see the whole picture which is a very scary scene.

For the record, I was walking around the store in a pair of baggy sweats, high tops, a oversized t-shirt with a sweat shirt on over that as the store always feels like it's 20 below.

i think everybody is in a way correct. At 138 i think its time for you to bulk, they may be concerned that ur gettin too skinny and/or they may be jealous (prolly lil bit of both). remember that cuttin away the fat isnt everything, you want to have a good frame of lean mass beneath that. Id suggest doin a very clean bulk, more than a month too, that way you keep your fat at the same/minimal level, while obtaining lots of lean mass. In fact, u might even get to the 4/6 pack abs you want faster through bulking.

If your friends/co-workers continue to poke fun of you, just show them that it doesnt phase you. Most the time they keep coming only because u show that it effects you. Also keep in mind that ppl that dont have the discipline/will power to follow a diet like you are and actually do somethin about improving your body composition will find ways to discourage others; its just wat ppl do. Keep goin and dont let any1 stop u :tu: