I saw Hulk Hogan weight training some guy on TV a few nights ago and after the workout the guy went outside and projectile vomited all over the sidewalk.

I want to know from a physiological stand point what the cause of this is.

How many here have lifted so hard they threw up?

I saw Hulk Hogan weight training some guy on TV a few nights ago and after the workout the guy went outside and projetile vomited all over the sidewalk.

I want to know from a physiological stand point what the cause of this is.

How many here have lifted so hard they threw up?

That just comes from not having enough blood sugar. If you eat dextrose as you are working out, you should be able to avoid puking no matter how hard you lift.

I have never puked from a workout.

I have never puked from a workout.

I haven't either, although I felt like it after a WSP workout (Phase I, Day 5).

A guy I ran track with in high school used to puke after the 400m every race. He did run sub-48s however, so I guess he's allowed.

I've seen a video of Dr. Ken putting his charges through their paces years ago.

This was back when He co-owned Iron Island Gym.
The gym floor had buckets strategically placed throughout-just for that reason.

Zen may have a point with the blood sugar but from what I have seen the men were in the 250-280lb range and knew enough and I'm sure ate enough before their training sessions.

I want to point out that the routines implemented were HIT.

Lots of high rep deadlifts squats etc.

One of the guys was pulling 450 or so for around 22 reps with a large trap bar.


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i havent but i know people who have but that was only when they first started out.

I felt like that after a Meltdown workout. That workout literally kills you.

Zen may have a point with the blood sugar but from what I have seen the men were in the 250-280lb range and knew enough and I'm sure ate enough before their training sessions.

Yeah but the stories I've heard are guys typically went at it hard and hard for a couple hours. Well, if you eat dextrose to keep your blood sugar from dropping, you will normally not puke. Puking is usually one of the forms of bonking.

I think they liked puking like some guys like DOMS.

But bonking is something you should not do on a regular basis - and you should only go close to bonking in training, not through it. If you bonk in competition, well, that means you didn't train right, but there you have to just cowboy up and keep going if you can.

All forms of bonking can be stopped by making sure the blood sugar doesn't drop. You can do this by taking dextrose - you might have to do it during the workout if it is long, or your liver is a wussy.

Only once here, and that was on my first day. But I attribute that to having barely eaten anything that day before lifting.


The gym floor had buckets strategically placed throughout-just for that reason.

That's really nasty, but really funny at the same time.

I think they liked puking like some guys like DOMS.
Agreed. I've puked during training before, but it's not exactly something I'd brag about. I don't think puking is impressive, I think getting bigger and stronger is.

Yeah but the stories I've heard are guys typically went at it hard and hard for a couple hours.

Not the guys I saw. The hard part yes...not for a couple of hours.

Ken is / was adamant on very abbreviated training but training all out.

High rep squats with a very heavy weight etc.

I've puked a couple times -- always from squatting. Puking ruins your workout and, as GTX has said, is definitely not the thing to brag about, even though you have a lot of wannabe-hardcore types who will tell you it's awesome.

I drink something to replenish blood sugar at every workout these days to keep from becoming nauseous or worse. It mostly works, but other factors such as heat and hydration can hinder it.

Not the guys I saw. The hard part yes...not for a couple of hours.

Ken is / was adamant on very abbreviated training but training all out.

High rep squats with a very heavy weight etc.
Yeah. Though I've heard stories like what zens has said, out of self-experience I can say that both times I chucked it was within the first thirty if not twenty minutes of a workout.

Not the guys I saw. The hard part yes...not for a couple of hours.

Ken is / was adamant on very abbreviated training but training all out.

High rep squats with a very heavy weight etc.

Still shouldn't make you puke. I was just watching a video on youtube of a guy squatting 16x500#, nothing close to puking there.

It's pretty much understood that puking comes from your body deciding that it needs energy too much to have any to spend on digestion (which takes energy before it produces energy). Your brain basically has first call on glucose, and it will get it. So if the brain doesn't feel like it's getting enough glucose? It just starts pulling plugs on stuff. Your eyes are often affected - colors start to seem very colorful (because vision actually uses more energy for dark than bright). But your guts can be affected if there is anything hard to digest in there.

Eating dextrose - or a glucose IV, stops this. In the case of the glucose IV the glucose goes to the brain and the brain stops having a tantrum.

In the case of eating dextrose, the dextrose is very quickly absorbed and it provides glucose energy directly for the gut to digest what is there, but also glucose for the brain.

Either way, glucose in time = no puking.

Now there's other stuff you can't stop with glucose, but puking and the dreaded muscle loss are completely stopped with keeping the blood sugar from bombing out.

Speakina which I got to go do a lactate threshold trial. It's about as nasty as it gets if I do it. I just ate. I did an hour of lifting less than four hours ago. We'll see if I puke. I bet: not a chance.

EDIT:

Well, that 30 minutes of nearly useless torment. At maximum effort on the elliptical it took 25 minutes to get the heart rate pver 175, and I need 20 minutes to get a lactate threshold, and I only had 30 minutes to use. So I averaged 168 for the 30 minutes, but did not puke or come close.

Okay Zen, what is "bonking"? Just a funny word for blood sugar dropping?

Edit: Nevermind.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonk_(condition)

Also, and I posted this in another thread in this forum.. but will eating dex during the workout keep energy levels up for getting the most out of your lifts?

How much would one eat during a workout?

Okay Zen, what is "bonking"? Just a funny word for blood sugar dropping?

Also, and I posted this in another thread in this forum.. but will eating dex during the workout keep energy levels up for getting the most out of your lifts?

How much would one eat during a workout?

Bonking is the name for getting into a physiological state of exhaustion due to exercise, which involves blood sugar dropping, but some other biochemical aspects as well. But a good deal of it is about the blood sugar dropping.

Eating dex during the workout will easily keep you from bonking, it's not as easy for it to keep your lifts up indefinitely. That is because heavy lifting uses muscle glycogen, and replenishing that takes a little time. Replenishing definitely goes faster if the blood sugar is elevated, but there is a limit to how fast it can go once the blood sugar is elevated.

If you want to keep your lifts going for a long time, then working on the fat metabolism is a good idea - and it works as long as you want, but only up to a certain intensity. That intensity can be raised (it is a side effect of lactate threshold increase) but it cannot be raises indefinitely either. What having a high capacity fat metabolism does (in addition to just being able to burn lots of fat) is supplement the carbohydrate metabolism to a higher intensity, and that keeps the muscle glycogen around longer.

If you just want to avoid puking, eating as little as 10 or 20 Calories of dextrose every hour or half hour will usually work (this also depends on what you have and how much of it you have in your stomach when you work out). If you want to avoid bonking, you need to eat a little more but not much.

If you want to keep your lifts up, you have to eat significantly more - enough to compensate for the exercise Calories burned from glycogen. You would have to keep track of exercise Calories and your lactate threshold in order to answer that. And then it would only extend the workout time, I doubt you could get to the point where you can lift heavy indefinitely. Any sort of "indefinite" length of work will basically mean burning only a small amount of glycogen during exercise. Back in the 1960's some Soviet Bloc countries experimented with zero carb/high fat diets to see if they could get athletes to work only off of fat (which would mean permanent endurance) and the answer was yes, you can get a human being to run almost all off of fat, but you cannot get any high intensity exercise done that way. They gave up that approach and went back to high carbs.

You get that nauseous feeling from both a mix of blood sugar...but more to what I contribute to your actual blood volume being shifted around your body. Most of the time people will puke from squats and deadlifts (moreso high volume squats and deadlifts) because they are moving alot of blood from their major organs, and the core of your body, into your legs & back...two huge muscle groups. Throwing up doesn't always mean you are getting a good workout...it also doesn't mean you are out of shape...even though you will see alot of times, someone who is out of shape puking when first starting to workout intensely again. Moving all that blood volume up and down your body is what is going to make you lose control over your bodily functions.

I barf about 1 in every 3-4 leg workouts.

My workouts are VERY intense.

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You get that nauseous feeling from both a mix of blood sugar...but more to what I contribute to your actual blood volume being shifted around your body.

That one is a combination of poor hydration and insufficient cardiovascular conditioning. The blood circulating is fine - there is never anything wrong with that. What can cause a problem is if the heart can't keep the pressure up throughout the vital organs because it's all gone rushing to the legs. That is a more common problem for fighter pilots pulling G's. And if you have that problem, you get the visual effects like tunnel vision, etc., and then you black out. If this happens during exercise, you have to question your hydration, and you might want to increase your VO2max if possible.

By the way all the stuff I'm talking about is predicated on not being at high altitude or while scuba diving, etc., where breathing limits are more common.

I barf about 1 in every 3-4 leg workouts.

My workouts are VERY intense.

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What kind of sugars are you eating just before and during the workout?