http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_Coke_Plus


Anyone tried this stuff?

Apparently it's only available in certain areas right now..

but for those of us who enjoy a diet coke maybe this stuff would be better.. I mean at least it has vitamins!

Actually had it for the first time today -- it was free with any other bottle of Diet Coke. Tastes just like Diet Coke, and while the added vitamins/minerals are nice, I don't see the point.

http://www.nataliedee.com/052307/diet-coke-you-are-insulting-my-intelligence.jpg

:D

-L

I am a HUGE diet coke drinker and the Diet Coke Plus is GROSS! Those of you who love your diet coke will definetly know the difference. I bought one 12 pack and would of returned it if I could. I don't think it will last on the market long.

Ugh! I read somewhere that Pepsi was going to start doing this as well. Their reason was not to make Americans healthier, rather it was to make their wallets fatter as sales of soda across the board are declining. I personally think that is a good thing, but I don't have stock in either company and I'm not employeed by them either.

I'm a huge George Carlin fan and this reminds me of a skit he did years ago. He talks about how people will buy anything in this country. I forget the specific example he used, but the point was that if a company puts two things together that are not considered "normal" people will buy it. Soda and vitamins? Who knew. :rolleyes: As if somehow there would be enough vitamins and minerals in it to make up for the carbonation that is said to contribute to bone loss.

Evil corporate America at it's finest. I would say it's lowest, but something tells me they haven't gotten there yet.

Note: This post was not to attack anybody that drinks the "New & Improved" Coke. It was just an observation of how disgusting these companies really are. Anything to make a fast buck...

As if somehow there would be enough vitamins and minerals in it to make up for the carbonation that is said to contribute to bone loss.


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Just so you know it is not the carbonation that causes bone loss. It is the excessive drinking of phosphoric acid (phosphorus major component in bone) that stimulates osteoclastic (bone breakdown) activity. If this makes anyone feel any better, you have to drink quite a bit to see any effects. Also, the link with bone loss and soda also has to do with the fact that soda drinkers are more than likely to drink less calcium containing beverages. I hope this helped in some way, shape, or form for something. Oh yea, about that Diet Coke with vitamins all I have to say is : :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

call me when "Diet Coke... with Whey!" finally hits the shelves.

I don't see why people are so opposed to this. I don't see it as a big deal, but companies are there to make money. If thowing some vitamins into a beverage causes people to be more likely to buy it vs other similar beverages, what's the harm?

How is this evil?

Maybe I shouldn't go there. We're not supposed to get political. *shrug*

I had one the other day and it tasted quite good. It had less of that diet after taste.

I don't see why people are so opposed to this. I don't see it as a big deal, but companies are there to make money. If thowing some vitamins into a beverage causes people to be more likely to buy it vs other similar beverages, what's the harm?

How is this evil?

Maybe I shouldn't go there. We're not supposed to get political. *shrug*

It's just a personal peeve. If they want to make a healthy drink, fine. Taking junk and smoothering with healthy agenda is bogus IMO.

This is nothing new of course. Look at the majority of protein bars that are out there. A topic that has been discussed to death and I'm too tired to count the other oodles of other companies that have jumped on the same band wagon.

diet coke and alot of the other 'diet' drinks are full of artificial sweetners and other junk. I'm not trying to have a go at anybody who drinks them... but its definatly not something im going to put into my body. imo 'Diet Coke Plus' is just another distraction from what you are really consuming...

diet coke and alot of the other 'diet' drinks are full of artificial sweetners and other junk. I'm not trying to have a go at anybody who drinks them... but its definatly not something im going to put into my body. imo 'Diet Coke Plus' is just another distraction from what you are really consuming...


My sentiments exactly.

All of the vitamins are synthetic, aka just more chemicals with no value.

Still contains Aspartame, Acesufame potassium, and phosphoric acid.

Zilla, H177 and Mayhem's posts are pretty much what I'd have said had people not already said it in this thread.

I wouldn't touch the stuff with a ten foot pole, let alone consume it as some kind of oxymoronic "health drink".

The "health drink" aspect being ridiculous I can appreciate. If it makes them money, fine, but let's not think anyone's beeing fooled here.

That said, some of you need to seriously relax. You act like Diet Soda might as well be poison. Wow, it has some chemicals. Get over it people, you're not going to drop dead from drinking some diet soda. Nearly all food products out there have "death causing" chemicals. Sometimes, I really wonder how some of you cross the street... you just might get hit by a car.

:rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca-Cola

Nothing changes. Coke started out being a health drink :lol: Then they took out the cocaine :eek:

The "health drink" aspect being ridiculous I can appreciate. If it makes them money, fine, but let's not think anyone's beeing fooled here.

That said, some of you need to seriously relax. You act like Diet Soda might as well be poison. Wow, it has some chemicals. Get over it people, you're not going to drop dead from drinking some diet soda. Nearly all food products out there have "death causing" chemicals. Sometimes, I really wonder how some of you cross the street... you just might get hit by a car.

:nod:

Everybody makes their own choices. If you don't like the idea of diet soda and the chemicals, avoid them.

I just think in the scheme of things, there is much worse stuff that people need to worry about getting in order in what they consume compared to if they drink diet soft drinks or not.

I keep coming back to the idea that adding some small health benefits to a drink to make a profit is somehow unscrupulous and I shake my head. When did profit become evil in the world? It's not like they force anybody to buy or drink the stuff. It's the consumer's choice.

:rolleyes:
Good retort...

Sad part is, I was dead on. I guess when there's not a good counter argument, the smiley rolling his eyes is the next best thing.

It's fine if you disagree, but it's an observation I made that I'm entitled to. You're allowed to your opinions, but don't try leading others to believe that by drinking some diet soda (or even eating a protein bar -- but we won't get into that again here), they're doing themself a great disservice.

If you're going to avoid diet soda for all its harms, why stop there? Throw out your cell phone. Never stand within range of a microwave. Don't drive in a car. Don't stand anywhere within inhalation distance of a smoker. Etc. Etc.

If we're talking about legitimate things that are known to kill you, I'm with you. I don't condone smoking, drugs, excessive alcohol, etc. But to get soooo crazy over diet soda... my god. Some posts in this thread came off as if the OP suggested we all start shooting up heroin. Yet, all that was discussed was a new diet soda with some vitamins.

Just so you know it is not the carbonation that causes bone loss. It is the excessive drinking of phosphoric acid (phosphorus major component in bone) that stimulates osteoclastic (bone breakdown) activity. If this makes anyone feel any better, you have to drink quite a bit to see any effects. Also, the link with bone loss and soda also has to do with the fact that soda drinkers are more than likely to drink less calcium containing beverages. I hope this helped in some way, shape, or form for something. Oh yea, about that Diet Coke with vitamins all I have to say is : :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

From

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphoric_acid#Biological_effects_on_bone_calcium


However, a well-controlled clinical study by Heaney and Rafferty using calcium-balance methods found no impact of carbonated soft drinks containing phoshporic acid on calcium excretion. [4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphoric_acid#_note-3) The study compared the impact of water, milk and various soft drinks (two with caffeine and two without; two with phosphoric acid and two with citric acid)on the calcium balance of 20- to 40-year-old women who customarily consumed ~3 or more cups (680 ml) of a carbonated soft drink per day. They found that, relative to water, only milk and the two caffeine-containing soft drinks increased urinary calcium, and that the calcium loss associated with the caffeinated soft drink consumption was about equal to that previously found for caffeine alone. Phosphoric acid without caffeine had no impact on urine calcium, nor did it augment the urinary calcium loss related to caffeine. Because studies have shown that the effect of caffeine is compensated for by reduced calcium losses later in the day [5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphoric_acid#_note-4), Heaney and Rafferty concluded that the net effect of carbonated beverages – including those with caffeine and phosphoric acid -- is negligible and that the skeletal effects of carbonated soft drink consumption are likely due primarily to milk displacement.

This happens a lot in the nutrition world, most people are one sided. Will a few cokes a day kill you? No. I personally dont drink diet cokes, caffiene drinks, etc. I can go all day long with reasons to not drink cokes...

Phosphoric acid can cause an imbalance of the bodies cal, mag, and phos levels.

Aspartame has show to enhance cancer and tumor growth. As well as cause headaches and hinder weight loss.

Acesufame potassium has been shown to raise cancer risks.

One coke has been shown to cause permanent damage to your teeth.

As for diet coke, the vitamins are synthetic as I said before. cyanocobalamin B12 bieng one of them.

But in reality a few cokes a day will not kill you. If you have cancer I would not drink them. If you drink 10 a day and wonder why you have a killer headache I would slow it down a bit. Really for me, I dont drink them because they have no nutritional value. And I really could care less about what anyone drinks but myself.

Edit: Nevermind, the story is private and the comments are too snarky. I don't want to be mean.

Let's just leave my comment at this:

There are more than just a few things in this world that you need to be careful about. It's unfortunate, it's inconvenient, and it's just generally not nice. I know about some things from bitter personal experience with people close to me. Trust me on this one.

Just please look into what you're consuming a little more carefully and don't assume everything is harmless.

I don't see why people are so opposed to this. I don't see it as a big deal, but companies are there to make money. If thowing some vitamins into a beverage causes people to be more likely to buy it vs other similar beverages, what's the harm?

How is this evil?
It's miseducation. It's the attempted disguising of either an unhealthy or neutrally healthy substance (take your pick) as a preferable alternative to its usual competitors. Now, when the competitive products are kept in focus, it's a good thing. Diet Coke Plus vs. Diet Coke. But this soda will ultimately be compared with other beverages, such as juice and water, and this is where it gets confusing.

I don't think it's fair to confuse people into thinking that Diet Coke Plus might be a smarter choice than water.

It reminds me of the problems I have in the juice aisle. I am so completely confused that I don't know what to buy anymore. There are 100% pure juices, alongside the chemically enhanced reduced sugar, vitamin enriched fruit cocktails. By the nutrition label alone, you can't tell which one is the wiser choice. The fruit cocktail has fewer calories, less sugar, and more vitamin C, but I'm not sure that's enough justification for choosing it, with its inch-long ingredient list, over the pure juice of an apple.

It's just a personal peeve. If they want to make a healthy drink, fine. Taking junk and smoothering with healthy agenda is bogus IMO.

This is nothing new of course. Look at the majority of protein bars that are out there. A topic that has been discussed to death and I'm too tired to count the other oodles of other companies that have jumped on the same band wagon.I have a personal battle going against granola bars, which are almost always a tiny bit of whole grains smothered in sugar and oils, marketed as a nutritious snack product.

For those who haven't already read it, I recommend this article that was published in the New York Times

Unhappy Meals (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/magazine/28nutritionism.t.html?ex=1327640400en=a18a7f355150 14c7ei=5090partner=rssuserlandemc=rss)

It was in the 1980s that food began disappearing from the American supermarket, gradually to be replaced by “nutrients,” which are not the same thing. Where once the familiar names of recognizable comestibles — things like eggs or breakfast cereal or cookies — claimed pride of place on the brightly colored packages crowding the aisles, now new terms like “fiber” and “cholesterol” and “saturated fat” rose to large-type prominence. More important than mere foods, the presence or absence of these invisible substances was now generally believed to confer health benefits on their eaters. Foods by comparison were coarse, old-fashioned and decidedly unscientific things — who could say what was in them, really? But nutrients — those chemical compounds and minerals in foods that nutritionists have deemed important to health — gleamed with the promise of scientific certainty; eat more of the right ones, fewer of the wrong, and you would live longer and avoid chronic diseases.

Good retort...

Sad part is, I was dead on. I guess when there's not a good counter argument, the smiley rolling his eyes is the next best thing.


sad part is, your actually incorrect. The artifical sweetener they put in diet coke is called 'aspatame'... and yes, aspatame CAN infact cause death...

Aspartame Dangers
The dangers of aspartame poisoning have been a well-guarded secret since the 1980s. The research and history of aspartame is conclusive as a cause of illness and toxic reactions in the human body. Aspartame is a dangerous chemical food additive, and its use during pregnancy and by children is one of the greatest modern tragedies of all.
Why haven't you heard about this before? Partly because the diet industry is worth trillions of American dollars to corporations, and they want to protect their profits by keeping the truth behind aspartame's dangers hidden from the public. When NutraSweet® was introduced for the 'second' time in 1981, a diet craze revolutionized America's eating protocols and a well-oiled money machine was set into motion changing modern lifestyles. After more than twenty years of aspartame use, the number of its victims is rapidly piling up, and people are figuring out for themselves that aspartame is at the root of their health problems. Patients are teaching their doctors about this nutritional peril, and they are healing themselves with little to no support from traditional medicine.

this is just one example, Google 'aspatame' and you are sure to find tones more of the stuff.

It's miseducation. It's the attempted disguising of either an unhealthy or neutrally healthy substance (take your pick) as a preferable alternative to its usual competitors. Now, when the competitive products are kept in focus, it's a good thing. Diet Coke Plus vs. Diet Coke. But this soda will ultimately be compared with other beverages, such as juice and water, and this is where it gets confusing.

I don't think it's fair to confuse people into thinking that Diet Coke Plus might be a smarter choice than water.

But the idea of miseduction assumes people are idiots that can't educate themselves. We aren't. Some may not care to, but that's not the fault of Coke, that's the lazy consumer.

Marketing has always been about trying to get people to buy or do certain things. This is nothing new, and there are no "lies" here.

Does the beverage provide vitamins and have no calories? Yes. Do
they advertise it as being better than water? I haven't seen that. If they do that, I'll laugh at them, but I still don't find it as "evil" per se. If you are deficient in a vitamin provided here and don't want to eat healthier, there even could be an argument made that displacing some water in the diet with one of these types of beverages might actually be a positive move. By no means optimal or even "good", but possibly "better".

I don't really agree that they are competing too highly with juices and water here. Their sales are going to come from regular diet drinks I suspect and not water or juice consumption.

I think the "negative calorie" drinks like that green tea product they've come out with are actually much more confusing to people than these vitamin drinks are.

I understand the sentiment and resentment I suppose, I just think it's a long jump from normal marketing and making a profit to "evil" or even unethical.

sad part is, your actually incorrect. The artifical sweetener they put in diet coke is called 'aspatame'... and yes, aspatame CAN infact cause death...


There is a very small group of people who cannot process aspartame that this can be very bad for. They are called phenylketonurics. They have problems breaking down phenylalynine, an essential amino acid. They have to pretty much eat a very low protein diet because of this, so not having a Diet Coke Plus is the least of their worries.

To extend this risk to the general population is not really sensical to me. Kids are tested for this most of the time at birth. It doesn't just sneak up on you when you have a Diet Coke one day.

There is a very small group of people who cannot process aspartame that this can be very bad for. They are called phenylketonurics. They have problems breaking down phenylalynine, an essential amino acid. They have to pretty much eat a very low protein diet because of this, so not having a Diet Coke Plus is the least of their worries.

To extend this risk to the general population is not really sensical to me. Kids are tested for this most of the time at birth. It doesn't just sneak up on you when you have a Diet Coke one day.

This is not nearly the only problem with aspartame. Please don't pretend like you know that it is.

This is not nearly the only problem with aspartame. Please don't pretend like you know that it is.

I was specifically refering to his babies point. Please don't pretend to extend my comment beyond what I was quoting.

sad part is, your actually incorrect. The artifical sweetener they put in diet coke is called 'aspatame'... and yes, aspatame CAN infact cause death...

Aspartame Dangers
The dangers of aspartame poisoning have been a well-guarded secret since the 1980s. The research and history of aspartame is conclusive as a cause of illness and toxic reactions in the human body. Aspartame is a dangerous chemical food additive, and its use during pregnancy and by children is one of the greatest modern tragedies of all.
Why haven't you heard about this before? Partly because the diet industry is worth trillions of American dollars to corporations, and they want to protect their profits by keeping the truth behind aspartame's dangers hidden from the public. When NutraSweet® was introduced for the 'second' time in 1981, a diet craze revolutionized America's eating protocols and a well-oiled money machine was set into motion changing modern lifestyles. After more than twenty years of aspartame use, the number of its victims is rapidly piling up, and people are figuring out for themselves that aspartame is at the root of their health problems. Patients are teaching their doctors about this nutritional peril, and they are healing themselves with little to no support from traditional medicine.

this is just one example, Google 'aspatame' and you are sure to find tones more of the stuff.
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Yes, I've read about aspartme many times. Thanks.

You want to play "let's post the first thing I can find on Google to support my case"? Let's play:

From http://ific.org/publications/brochures/aspartamebroch.cfm

How was aspartame tested before it was approved for use in foods?

Aspartame is one of the most thoroughly studied ingredients in the food supply. Prior to its approval by the FDA in 1981, aspartame’s safety was documented in more than 100 scientific studies. These tests were conducted in laboratory animals and several human subpopulations, including healthy infants, children, and adults, lactating women, persons with diabetes, and obese individuals. Aspartame was tested in amounts many times higher than individuals could possibly consume in the diet. The results of these studies demonstrated that aspartame is safe and not associated with adverse health effects.

From http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/nutrition_fit/nutrition/aspartame.html

How Much Aspartame Is Safe to Consume on a Regular Basis?
The FDA recommends no more than 50 milligrams of aspartame per 2.2 pounds (1 kilogram) of body weight per day for adults. The average person consumes less than 2% of this amount each day. In fact, to reach this level, the average adult would need to drink about 20 cans of diet soft drink each day, and the average child would need to drink seven cans.

Here's a quick guide of popular products and the average amount of aspartame in each serving:

12 ounces (360 milliliters) of diet soda = 225 milligrams of aspartame
8 ounces (240 milliliters) of sugar-free yogurt = 80 milligrams of aspartame
1/2 cup (120 milliliters) of sugar-free frozen dairy dessert (frozen yogurt, ice cream, etc.) = 47 milligrams of aspartame
1 packet of artificial sweetener = 37 milligrams of aspartame

The only study citing cancerous effects from aspartame claims you need about 20 mg per 2.2 lbs of weight to reach carcinogenic effects. Furthermore, this is just according to this one study, which 100s of others have found different results. That said, say we take our 20 mg. That means I'd need to consume 6 cans per day to even come close to that amount.

Anything "can" be harmful to people with certain genetic deficiencies and/or in large doses. Yes, 6+ cans of soda every single day could be pushing it. Hell, water can kill you too if you drink too much. Are you going to start shouting: "OMG! STOP DRINKING WATER OR YOU MIGHT DIE!"

Yeah, I know, that's very rare. So is death by aspartame. If you want to live in a bubble, knock yourself out, but don't try to make it out that drinking some diet soda is going to kill you. If you actually read more than 1 paragraph, you'll see it won't.

While part of me is slightly amused that a discussion among rational adults about a friggin' soft drink could turn into... this, the administrator in me is going to have to ask you all to calm down.

I'll have no choice but to close the thread if the tone of the posts in here doesn't improve.

As far as I can see, you quoted nothing about babies. You quoted a general statement relating to the danger of aspartame.

You matter-of-factly stated that there are a small amount of people with a certain condition that aspartame can be dangerous to. You implied heavily, as anyone can see, that this the only case in which aspartame is a danger. You blatantly stated that to extend the risks of aspartame to the general public is nonsensical.

It is not.

Marketing has always been about trying to get people to buy or do certain things. This is nothing new, and there are no "lies" here.
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I wouldn't say lies but companies like Coke have a long history of trying to hook kids. They know if they can addicted the kids at an early enough age they'll have many of them for life. It's why they want pop machines in schools.

How often are people complaining about not liking water. It's not because water tastes bad. They've been trained to drink soda.

Fast food joints have kiddie meals with toys. Soda companies push vending machines into schools. Tobacco companies use cartoons.

I wouldn't say lies but companies like Coke have a long history of trying to hook kids. They know if they can addicted the kids at an early enough age they'll have many of them for life. It's why they want pop machines in schools.

How often are people complaining about not liking water. It's not because water tastes bad. They've been trained to drink soda.

Fast food joints have kiddie meals with toys. Soda companies push vending machines into schools. Tobacco companies use cartoons.
Welcome to America. That's capitalism. Don't like it? Leave. It's a simple as that. I don't say that maliciously, but this country is only getting more money focused as we go on, not less. If you don't want to live in a world where people will lie, cheat and steal to make a buck, you better find yourself a new world.

You make it sound like only food and drug related companies do this. That is just plain ignorance.

As far as I can see, you quoted nothing about babies. You quoted a general statement relating to the danger of aspartame.

You matter-of-factly stated that there are a small amount of people with a certain condition that aspartame can be dangerous to. You implied heavily, as anyone can see, that this the only case in which aspartame is a danger. You blatantly stated that to extend the risks of aspartame to the general public is nonsensical.

It is not.


I'll apologize, somehow when reading that post (and what I thought I had quoted), I thought I'd seen the typical "infant" thing that normally comes up with this subject.

I did NOT mean to imply it is the only part of the controvery, blatantly or not as I specifically talked about phenylketonurics.

I'll leave it at this: My opinion is some people may have a problem with it. Thousands and millions of others will be perfectly fine consuming a diet drink every now and then. The consumer has the ability to make the choice as to whether to consume it or not, as it is disclosed in labeling. It isn't an evil conspiracy.

Edit: Nevermind. I have no idea why I bother.

Evil corporate America

The same "evil" that produces the food you eat, the car you drive, the weights you lift, and virtually everything else you purchase that gives you the highest standard of living on God's green earth. If you don't want diet coke with vitamins, don't buy it! :tu:

The same "evil" that produces the food you eat, the car you drive, the weights you lift, and virtually everything else you purchase that gives you the highest standard of living on God's green earth. If you don't want diet coke with vitamins, don't buy it! :tu:

that's not true, not by any means of measurement: infant mortality, poverty rates, life expectancy, illness rates, educational attainment, etc.

capitalism, or the people who drive capitalism, are not benign. and criticizing those forces is not unpatriotic. we don't have to accept the bad with the good - we can do better.

/back to diet coke.

Now we're going to get political? In a thread about soda?

:nope: