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BrianV
April 16th, 2007, 06:42 PM
Did a search but didn't turn up anything specific to my body. For those who are willing to read my life story and comment accordingly, I thank you in advance.

Anyways, here's my story:

Growing up, I was always picked on for being too skinny. I have a small frame and am quite lanky. By time I was a freshman in high school I was 6'0" and about 118 lbs. I filled out a little in school and probably graduated high school at 122-125 lbs. As you can imagine, I was quite a track star. Without training, practice, or dedication I was the second fastest track runner in the 400m the first time I ran it. My first long jump ever was 15'9" and within a week I was jumping 17'10". I never put much heart into it, and only did track for two years, but this just shows the type of body I had. I actually got kicked off the track team my freshman year for not showing up for practice, despite I was the best freshman long jumper by over 18"'s. Not bad for a white boy of Russian ancestry. Anyways, that and basketball were the only benefits of my skin and bones body.

Sometime around freshman year I visited my general family doctor and discussed how I could gain weight. We decided to try and get me on a 4000-5000 calorie a day diet. That had no effect on me at all.

I remained that skinny through college and moved from Los Angeles to Texas when I was 20.5 years old and about 128-130 lbs. I worked for just over a year and blossomed to a then record high 133 lbs.

In July of 2002 I took a new job which changed my life style a bit. I worked later hours, was involved in a relatively social group, and traveled quite a bit. Perhaps the most damaging effect of this new position was that I began drinking beer. I had made it 8 months past my 21st birthday and had mainly avoided drinking, and when I did drink it was vodka based mixed drinks. However, after starting this new job I started drinking beer, and lots of it. We'd have 3-5 beers after work several times per week (2-3 times per week). I still have the same job although the afterhours’ drinking has been completely annihilated.

Within a year I porked up to 145-150, and over the next year or two I porked up to 170 (this weight was achieved and maintained through most of 2006). Although I still appeared skinny to my friends and family, I had developed quite a gut; not one that was visible under clothes but one that was visible without a shirt on. It's like a mini beer belly. I went from a size 30 to a size 34 waist throughout my 5 year Texas life. Although I put a little weight on around my face and neck, it appears most of my weight went into my belly (and a little into my pecks).

I've always worked out my arms in moderation. Thus, my arms don't have an ounce of fat on them and are decently toned given the effort I've put into them. My legs are in great shape due to extensive skiing and mountain bike riding. However, my gut is a different story. In high school I had a defined six pack (not perfect but defined enough). That has since turned into a single keg.

In December of 2006 I decided to be at least slightly conscious of my physique. After extremely minimal research, I decided I could cut out candy (which I ate large amounts of) and switch from Soda to Diet Soda. I lost about 5 lbs in one month and sat at 165 lbs for the majority of Jan and Feb with no substantial appearance difference.

Prior to this stint, I never cared at all what I ate. I ate tons of fast food, tons of french fries, lots of soda, lots of candy, and only minor amounts of veggies. I've always ate a lot of fruit, but not for dietary reasons, only because I liked the taste. I cooked using a lot of butters and oils, ate Ribeye as my choice steak, etc.

Over the past month I decided to cut carbs. For the most part I've given up potatoes and fries (and other similar items). I've tried to eat with a little more moderation as well. Since then I've actually started looking at calories and carbs, with this past weekend being the most significant mental accomplishment of this diet.

I ate romaine lettuce, spinach, carrots, celery, and an apple for dinner on Friday night. Beef broth and sliced sirloin (maybe 4-6 oz. of meat) for lunch (Vietnamese Pho Noodle Bowl w/o the noodles), carrots and an apple for lunch, and no dinner. I had half an omelet and 8 strips of bacon for breakfast on Sunday, another beef broth/sirloin for lunch and 6 oz. of pork, carrots, and celery for dinner last night.

I'm now at 155 lbs and feel pretty good, but my gut is still there. Although my pecks and gut have shrunk down a very little bit, I want to know if I'm on the right path to continue this.

Starting today, I'm monitoring my caloric intake. I'm not doing the anti-carb (Atkins) diet, but I am keeping an eye on unnecessary carbs as well. Basically my new diet consists of: Lots of veggies and fruit (mainly carrots, celery, broccoli, apples, and strawberries) with leaner cuts of meat. This weekend's diet was more of a mental experiment. For instance, today I've already eaten a 210 calorie Zone Diet Nutrition bar, 1/4 white chicken breast, 4oz fajita platter (just ate the beef and onions) w/ Pico salsa, and carrots as my afternoon snack. So far, that's 818 calories and 41g of carbs (most carbs from the zone bar). My dinner tonight is planned for 6-8 oz. of grilled chicken breast, carrots, and celery. Based on my prediction for the day, I will consume around 1,400-1,500 calories today. I will not be working out or doing aerobic today due to late meetings with people overseas.

Additional pertinent info. I go to the gym 2-3 times per week. I try and do 30 minutes of cardio on at least two of those visits (using a heavier resistance machine: http://ecybex.com/Products/displayproduct.aspx?id=600A ). I set it at a pretty high level of resistance. I'm pretty spent after 30 minutes on it. It's worth noting that I only began this in January. Prior I had no regular exposure to cardio, other than mountain bike riding 2-3 times per month (in spring and summer), basketball a few times a year, and 15 days of skiing; none of which resulted in sustained cardio like on this machine.

I also do various arms/shoulders weights on almost every visit in addition to the ab machines. Underneath my layer of gut fat, I can feel my ab definition very clearly; hence I'm even more excited about losing this fat. I feel that if I can kill this layer of fat, I'll have a flat and defined stomach.

Right now my primary goal is losing the gut. I don't have a weight target due to already being underweight. I have additional goals of bulking up, but I want to achieve my first goal before I put significant focus in that. I will have to change my diet some when I do that. In the meantime, I'm going to continue working out my arms, shoulders, and stomach.

Based on my research here and at other online sites, it appears that cutting the gut is going to be really based on diet and aerobic/cardio exercise. Bottom line, I need to consume fewer calories than I use in any given day. I estimate my previous caloric intake at around 3500 calories per day. Over the past six weeks or so I've slowly brought that down to 1500-2000 in a few different steps; my last step being the most drastic.

With my specific story now told, do any of you more seasoned individuals have any comments or advice? There's tons of contradictory information out there so I don't expect a miracle cure here, but I want to know if I'm on the right track or not.

BrianV
April 16th, 2007, 11:05 PM
FYI, my daily intake was:

Calories - 1229
Carbs - 74
Fat - 39
Protien - 149

Morning - Zone Bar
Lunch - 4oz. Sizzling Beef w/ Onions and Pico de Gallo. 5 oz. white chicken
Afternoon Snack - 3oz carrot
Early evening snack - 1 oz beef jerky
Dinner - 5 oz chicken, 4 oz carrot, 4 oz celery
After Dinner - 2 oz Grapefruit

HevyMetal
April 16th, 2007, 11:10 PM
"We decided to try and get me on a 4000 to 5000 calorie-a-day diet. That had no effect on me at all." :eek: :eek: :scared:

BrianV
April 16th, 2007, 11:30 PM
"We decided to try and get me on a 4000 to 5000 calorie-a-day diet. That had no effect on me at all." :eek: :eek: :scared:

It was nice back in the day of the super-metabolism, but as much as it sucks to be overweight, it does suck a lot to not be able to put on any pounds during your adolescence.

-BV

rtestes
April 17th, 2007, 12:03 AM
I'm now at 155 lbs and feel pretty good, but my gut is still there. Although my pecks and gut have shrunk down a very little bit, I want to know if I'm on the right path to continue this.


Additional pertinent info. I go to the gym 2-3 times per week. I try and do 30 minutes of cardio on at least two of those visits (using a heavier resistance machine: I'm pretty spent after 30 minutes on it. It's worth noting that I only began this in January. Prior I had no regular exposure to cardio, other than mountain bike riding 2-3 times per month (in spring and summer), basketball a few times a year, and 15 days of skiing; none of which resulted in sustained cardio like on this machine.

I also do various arms/shoulders weights on almost every visit in addition to the ab machines. Underneath my layer of gut fat, I can feel my ab definition very clearly; hence I'm even more excited about losing this fat. I feel that if I can kill this layer of fat, I'll have a flat and defined stomach.

Right now my primary goal is losing the gut. I don't have a weight target due to already being underweight. I have additional goals of bulking up, but I want to achieve my first goal before I put significant focus in that. I will have to change my diet some when I do that. In the meantime, I'm going to continue working out my arms, shoulders, and stomach.

Based on my research here and at other online sites, it appears that cutting the gut is going to be really based on diet and aerobic/cardio exercise. Bottom line, I need to consume fewer calories than I use in any given day. I estimate my previous caloric intake at around 3500 calories per day. Over the past six weeks or so I've slowly brought that down to 1500-2000 in a few different steps; my last step being the most drastic.

With my specific story now told, do any of you more seasoned individuals have any comments or advice? There's tons of contradictory information out there so I don't expect a miracle cure here, but I want to know if I'm on the right track or not.

Wait, stop. Cut the dieting. You don't need to lose weight. My suggestion. For next 6 weeks til the 1st of june. Set your calorie intake to 2700 calories. Eat a good balanced healthy diet, very few simple sugars. No cardio in gym. If you do any outside activity, fine. Drink 1-1.5 gallons a day of water. Get 8 hours of sleep a night.

I would suggest only resistance training. 3 workouts a week, MWF or TTS. 30 minutes a workout. The purpose: build build muscle and strength. Are you interested?

BrianV
April 17th, 2007, 10:57 AM
Wait, stop. Cut the dieting. You don't need to lose weight. My suggestion. For next 6 weeks til the 1st of june. Set your calorie intake to 2700 calories. Eat a good balanced healthy diet, very few simple sugars. No cardio in gym. If you do any outside activity, fine. Drink 1-1.5 gallons a day of water. Get 8 hours of sleep a night.

I would suggest only resistance training. 3 workouts a week, MWF or TTS. 30 minutes a workout. The purpose: build build muscle and strength. Are you interested?

I did a brief stint in 2005 (2-3 months) where I was working out 2-3 times a week thinking I could overcome my beer belly by building muscle. Of course this was with the logic that muscle attacks fat and will convert fat into muscle; of course as we know that's not the case. Like I said, I feel like my abs are well defined under this layer of blubber. I've been doing crunches and ab machines on/off for basically a decade. I'm not convinced I can lose the gut without reducing my caloric intake. I think 2700 is too much based on my lifestyle which now consists of mainly sitting at a computer.

I'm thinking of raising my intake to 1700-1800 calories though. I need to learn more about what I need to set my target carbs, protein, and fat too.

I'm going to the gym tonight, but not to do cardio, just to do weights so I'll up the protein intake at lunch.

dabagboy
April 17th, 2007, 11:18 AM
I did a brief stint in 2005 (2-3 months) where I was working out 2-3 times a week thinking I could overcome my beer belly by building muscle. Of course this was with the logic that muscle attacks fat and will convert fat into muscle; of course as we know that's not the case. Like I said, I feel like my abs are well defined under this layer of blubber. I've been doing crunches and ab machines on/off for basically a decade. I'm not convinced I can lose the gut without reducing my caloric intake. I think 2700 is too much based on my lifestyle which now consists of mainly sitting at a computer.

I'm thinking of raising my intake to 1700-1800 calories though. I need to learn more about what I need to set my target carbs, protein, and fat too.

I'm going to the gym tonight, but not to do cardio, just to do weights so I'll up the protein intake at lunch.

Brian, I posted a very similar story

http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showthread.php?t=35787

and as I read your's realized we are a the same guy (I'm older and you are quite a bit taller and were just a bit skinnier). Trust me I know the "98lb High School weakling" thing, I couldn't gain weight to save my life as a teenager.

Maybe if we had started drinking at age 13 ehh?

I also have not successfully diminished my gut with cardio....that's why I came here to find out "what I'm doing wrong"....I'm pretty sure it was diet as well....not so much way too many calories but the wrong kinds.....I am going to start a diet diary just to see what the hell I've been eating....you can take a look here...

http://tinyurl.com/3yko3p

I just started but it's free and easy, I'm shooting for 2,000 calories maybe 2,500 - 3,000 even as I really don't want to lose muscle, it's kind of nice to have some "mass" after so damn many skinny years.

One thing no one has mentioned is lower body / leg training, my legs don't "look" bad either but there are some HUGE muscles in legs and I figure if I build them up they will burn calories that won't get to my gut.....

I'm thinking about taking some pictures tonight as I'm damn certain I'm going to lose this gut by this summer. I just ordered a Fat Tracker and Myotape from Amazon

http://tinyurl.com/2t569p


Keep up the good work. Stay in touch and we can compare results....

BrianV
April 17th, 2007, 11:57 AM
Brian, I posted a very similar story

http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showthread.php?t=35787

and as I read your's realized we are a the same guy (I'm older and you are quite a bit taller and were just a bit skinnier). Trust me I know the "98lb High School weakling" thing, I couldn't gain weight to save my life as a teenager.

Maybe if we had started drinking at age 13 ehh?

I also have not successfully diminished my gut with cardio....that's why I came here to find out "what I'm doing wrong"....I'm pretty sure it was diet as well....not so much way too many calories but the wrong kinds.....I am going to start a diet diary just to see what the hell I've been eating....you can take a look here...

http://tinyurl.com/3yko3p

I just started but it's free and easy, I'm shooting for 2,000 calories maybe 2,500 - 3,000 even as I really don't want to lose muscle, it's kind of nice to have some "mass" after so damn many skinny years.

One thing no one has mentioned is lower body / leg training, my legs don't "look" bad either but there are some HUGE muscles in legs and I figure if I build them up they will burn calories that won't get to my gut.....

I'm thinking about taking some pictures tonight as I'm damn certain I'm going to lose this gut by this summer. I just ordered a Fat Tracker and Myotape from Amazon

http://tinyurl.com/2t569p


Keep up the good work. Stay in touch and we can compare results....

Yeah let's definitely share notes. I looked at your diary and input mine into it (for yesterday):

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=BrianV%2Din%2DAustin

rtestes
April 17th, 2007, 01:07 PM
I I'm not convinced I can lose the gut without reducing my caloric intake. I think 2700 is too much based on my lifestyle which now consists of mainly sitting at a computer.



I was under the impression, you were going to gym and have a active off job life. You seem to have your own ideas, go with them and see where they take you.:gl:

mastover
April 17th, 2007, 01:26 PM
I definitely agree with RTE. You've got to focus on weights (free weights) especially the legs which, if done with enough intensity and progression, will change your hormonal response to exercise. Free weight movements where the largest muscles of your body (the glutes) are moving through space. eg: squats, deadlifts, clean and presses, deadlifts, chinups, dips, these are the movements that will change your body composition and re-distribute muscle in proper proportion. Your diet is also very suspect. Training abs and doing cardio will not define and get your abs to "come in". A big trend I see is people concentrating much too much on abs while neglecting the bigger picture. Once you stop obsessing about abs, and train and eat with the intention of acquiring lean mass throughout your entire body, your abs will shape up as well as your genetics allow. I also wish you good luck and TRAIN HARD!!:mad:

:tucool:

BrianV
April 17th, 2007, 01:38 PM
Thanks for the advice.

Regarding my cardio and active lifestyle:
I do cardio at the gym on 2 of the 3 gym visits per week. I do high intensity for 30 minutes.

On any given week that is the majority of my physical exertion. Now that the weather has shaped up, I'll probably bike ride 2 times per month for a few hours.

At the end of the day, I don't really live much of an active life anymore.

I'll have to research the free weights. Right now I use all of the machines which I'm comfortable with, but they're very targeted lifting movements. Free weights have always intimidated me a little, but I'm sure with enough research I can grow confident.

I appreciate the help a little. Regarding my suspect diet, what are your initial observations?

Thanks much,
BrianV

mastover
April 17th, 2007, 02:23 PM
FYI, my daily intake was:

Calories - 1229
Carbs - 74
Fat - 39
Protien - 149

Morning - Zone Bar
Lunch - 4oz. Sizzling Beef w/ Onions and Pico de Gallo. 5 oz. white chicken
Afternoon Snack - 3oz carrot
Early evening snack - 1 oz beef jerky
Dinner - 5 oz chicken, 4 oz carrot, 4 oz celery
After Dinner - 2 oz Grapefruit

I don't know what your diet is like now, but basing it on the above, it's extremely low in carbs. Remember....carbs are protein sparing. Get in some sweet potato, oatmeal, brown rice. Your first meal of the day will be very important. Egg whites, oatmeal, chicken, grapefruit would be a great start. Later in the day you might want to cut out the starchy carbs and eat plenty of veggies. Eating before bed, or even having a good blended protein powder would also serve to prevent catabolism during the overnight fast. I would also invest in a good multi as well as fish oil. As for the free weighhts, don't hesitate to ask a personal trainer to show you the basics. It's not going to take research per se, but the actual hands-on approach that will curtail your hesitation and make free weights the foundational bedrock of your training. Once you get "over the hump', your metabolism will change where you will require more food to keep the furnace burning and put you on the road to lean fat free muscle with the concurring loss in bodyfat and, yes....tightening up the midriff as well. ;)

:gl:

BrianV
April 17th, 2007, 02:59 PM
I don't know what your diet is like now, but basing it on the above, it's extremely low in carbs. Remember....carbs are protein sparing. Get in some sweet potato, oatmeal, brown rice. Your first meal of the day will be very important. Egg whites, oatmeal, chicken, grapefruit would be a great start. Later in the day you might want to cut out the starchy carbs and eat plenty of veggies. Eating before bed, or even having a good blended protein powder would also serve to prevent catabolism during the overnight fast. I would also invest in a good multi as well as fish oil. As for the free weighhts, don't hesitate to ask a personal trainer to show you the basics. It's not going to take research per se, but the actual hands-on approach that will curtail your hesitation and make free weights the foundational bedrock of your training. Once you get "over the hump', your metabolism will change where you will require more food to keep the furnace burning and put you on the road to lean fat free muscle with the concurring loss in bodyfat and, yes....tightening up the midriff as well. ;)

:gl:

Thanks I am doing a multi-vitamin and omega3 fish oil every night as well. I plan on increasing carbs a little. My nutrition bar is what serves as my breakfast has quite some carbs in it. I'd love to do eggs in the morning, may wake up earlier to do that.

M@
April 17th, 2007, 03:10 PM
I'd love to do eggs in the morning, may wake up earlier to do that.

Eggs cook and store quite easily if you just want to scramble up a dozen and put 'em in containers or hard-boil them for portability. :tu:

BrianV
April 17th, 2007, 03:14 PM
Eggs cook and store quite easily if you just want to scramble up a dozen and put 'em in containers or hard-boil them for portability. :tu:

Yeah unfortunately I can only eat eggs if they're over-easy. Don't know why but I get a gag going on hard boiled and scrambled. I don't add butter or oil, just fry them really quickly. If I woke up 10 minutes earlier I could facilitate this.

Eggs don't have much in the way of carbs though. What should the target carbs be for someone looking at a 1500-2000 cal/day diet? Someone who isn't going to weight train or do cardio everyday, but will a couple times a week.

Thanks,
Brian

droopy172
April 17th, 2007, 03:21 PM
Eat like a beast, I was eating 4000+ calories on my bulk and I plateaued at 195 for a month and in fact started to lose weight. I started at 158lbs and did a 6 month bulk. How long did you eat 4000-5000 calories? You really have to be consistant with it.

BrianV
April 17th, 2007, 03:26 PM
Eat like a beast, I was eating 4000+ calories on my bulk and I plateaued at 195 for a month and in fact started to lose weight. I started at 158lbs and did a 6 month bulk. How long did you eat 4000-5000 calories? You really have to be consistant with it.

Maybe 6 months when I was 15-16. I was also running 3-5 miles per day and living a generally more active lifestyle (walking to/from school (1.5 miles each way)), riding my bike everywhere on the weekends, etc.

I gave up on it because it was not showing results and was in all honesty a big hassle for me and my parents.

-BrianV

BrianV
April 17th, 2007, 03:27 PM
By the way, last Friday I borrowed my friend's calipers and measured my BF at 18%. I'd assume that's fairly close to accurate, so you can see, I do have fat to lose, especially around the gut and pecks.

mastover
April 17th, 2007, 03:38 PM
By the way, last Friday I borrowed my friend's calipers and measured my BF at 18%. I'd assume that's fairly close to accurate, so you can see, I do have fat to lose, especially around the gut and pecks.

At 6'0" 160 lbs. train and eat with the purpose of putting on muscle. Whatever fat you have will begin to dissipate with the presence of muscle. If you go about with the strategy of low carbing it and reducing calories, you'll lose weight at the expense of muscle. Not a very desirable outcome!

Make gradual changes on a weekly basis. For beginners, since I am anti-bar, I'd replace that Zone thing with 6 egg whites, 3/4 cup oatmeal, and 3 oz chicken breast.