I was curious if any of you have considered any type of cosmetic surgery due to your significant body change? I have seen several women (like myself) post that they have lost cup sizes and I wanted to see how all of you felt about it. I am having a hard time with the adjustment, but really don't know if I could fully consider implants. Any feedback would be appreciated.

I contemplate this for about 5 seconds every week.

I'm pretty sure I'd be happier just keeping with what I've got. I've seen so many fake ones that look really weird that I haven't ever seriously considered it.

I also contemplate a nose job for about 5 seconds every week as well, so it's not really weight related.

I would rather live with a small chest and a hard body, than a big chest and a flabby body. I don't feel to bad about it until I try something on at the store and I cannot fill out the chest area. This is when I get temporarily depressed. (usually nothing little ice cream cone can't fix :D ) I have never had a big chest, but now I am concerned that I will have NO chest!! The risk involved keeps me from seriously thinking about it, but I often wonder if anyone feels the same way and just hasn't voiced their frustrations.

I'm too much of a wimp to voluntarily have myself cut open. I have also heard guys say that they can tell if a woman has had implants. I'm not sure if that means that they don't like it, or if they just think that they are special for having that skill. :confused: I have also heard guys say that a handful is enough- and I've at least got that. ;) I think I'll just stay the way I am.

I'm really still in the begining stages of weight loss, so my opinion may change as I haven't even lost a cup size YET. My thought is that I might consider a breast lift, not augmentation. Before I got really heavy, (back when I was a teenager) I was a C cup. I have no idea if I will go back to that or smaller.

The thing I worry about is the stretch marks. I have them all over my breasts from rapid weight gain in the past. They definitely don't add any pleasant look to my breasts. :(

Hey,
I realize that this forum is for the ladies..... so John, please feel free to delete my post.

Chim-Chim, who are you considering the implants/surgery for? yourself? or so that you conform to what others think is "good"?

I think I can speak for many guys (you'll be surprised) when I say that we like small chests too!! ( I had a REALLY hard time convincing my ex about this.... ). As JennyLynn has mentioned, a handful is more than good enough. Heck, to put it crudely, guys don't care too much about the size. if its a boob, its good enough for me.

I understand your troubles with clothes. With this rapid supersizing of American society, I think its getting practically impossible for petite women to get clothes that fit properly.

i would like to have the perfect body of the year but heck i have enough to worry about now. i would probably say i would reject the decision. just one more thing to be worried about. if i were to get them instead of feeling not perfect i would be worried about people guessing if they were fake or not. have you ever been around guys that clown women w/ noticable breast jobs. i just put myself in those women shoes of humiliation and say, "not today." but i would not mind a lift as long as it was not an extra cup. just a little perfection from childrens destruction (breast feeding).

I can't believe people are so willing to have invasive procdures - ones that could kill them - to change a superficial, physical aspect. I guess I am just very blessed with having made friends and fallen in love with someone who sees past the surface to ME. This is why a lot of diets fail for people - they think they'll lose x pounds and gain back self-confidence, but instead, they drop the weight, and the self-confidence and self-esteem is still gone. So then they get surgery and transform their bodies, and guess what? Your self-image is not based on your cup size. It is based on the self-conversations and the internal image you have of yourself - so this is not going to be an instant fix.

And heaven forbid you land a date or satisfy your mate or find a lover because of your chest size. No matter how much surgery you have, by the time you are 80, if your relationship is built on something that shallow, does this mean you split up and die alone?

Or maybe you can be yourself, celebrate who you are, the gifts God has given you, and "settle" for someone who sees past the surface and cares for you despite your breast size? What is there to truly gain by changing your physique artificially - attention? Wouldn't it be so much nice to gain attention through the things you do, and the services you provide to others, rather than how big your bust is?

Ultimately its your body and your decision - but there is food for thought!

Jeremy

Getting a lift would be for me. It's only something I have thought about. I will probably never actually do it. If my hubby had his way, I would get breast augmentation if I lose too much breast tissue for him. He's definitely not going to get his way on that.

As to thinking things will be perfect when I lose the weight, I know better. Losing weight isn't going to be the magic pill that makes me happy and secure and all of that. I would like to think that going through the process will make me a better person though. It will be ONE building block to improving my self esteem as it is I who will be responsible for acheiving my goals. This will be something TANGIBLE, something I can look on and say "Wow! I wanted it. I worked for it. And I did it!" Is that thought wrong?

Perhaps I am coming at this from a different angle than some as well. My main reason for losing weight is not cosmetic, it is for health reasons. My cholesterol was tested when I weighed around 220 lbs., which was about 3 years ago. My total cholesterol was 304. My LDL was too high, my HDL was too low, and my triglicerides (sorry for poor spelling) weren't good either. Now, I was only 26 at the time. It was quite a shock that I would have this to worry about at that age.

I did some initial work and lost 30 lbs. Then I stopped. I just had my cholesterol tested in January again. My total cholesterol was 266. While this is still high, it is much better than that 304. I figured that if I could lower it that much by dropping just 30 lbs., I should be able to fix it completely by working for the rest of the weight loss. I would rather work my tail off than be put on potentially damaging cholesterol reducing drugs.

I also have one other concern. My mother is diabetic. She didn't contract it until her early 30's, but she has the juvenile form. Her pancreas doesn't produce any insulin at all. Who knows if she could have avoided it by keeping better control of her health throughout her life, but I'm going to try my best. I don't want to end up having to stick myself with needles for the rest of my life.

Sorry to have gone off on this crazy tangent, but I wanted to explain myself a bit and hopefully let someone know that not every woman trying to lose weight is stricty doing it to look better. My hubby would rather I stay the weight I am, but understands that my health is more important than him having this larger version of me.

I can't believe people are so willing to have invasive procdures - ones that could kill them - to change a superficial, physical aspect. I guess I am just very blessed with having made friends and fallen in love with someone who sees past the surface to ME. This is why a lot of diets fail for people - they think they'll lose x pounds and gain back self-confidence, but instead, they drop the weight, and the self-confidence and self-esteem is still gone. So then they get surgery and transform their bodies, and guess what? Your self-image is not based on your cup size. It is based on the self-conversations and the internal image you have of yourself - so this is not going to be an instant fix.

And heaven forbid you land a date or satisfy your mate or find a lover because of your chest size. No matter how much surgery you have, by the time you are 80, if your relationship is built on something that shallow, does this mean you split up and die alone?

Or maybe you can be yourself, celebrate who you are, the gifts God has given you, and "settle" for someone who sees past the surface and cares for you despite your breast size? What is there to truly gain by changing your physique artificially - attention? Wouldn't it be so much nice to gain attention through the things you do, and the services you provide to others, rather than how big your bust is?

Ultimately its your body and your decision - but there is food for thought!

Jeremy

Well Jeremy here's some "food for thought" for you. Hold on tight because this will be lengthy. For one, I was really directing this to the ladies and I wanted to know how the women were coping with the issue of breast loss. If you read my post I stated that I didn't think I could ever fully consider getting augmentation. Saying that, even if I did are you saying that I am shallow and looking for a way to find a realtionship? I assure you, I make a full package and my choice to alter my body would not change how I interact with my boyfriend of four years. I don't deny that many women have that intention to draw attention to their chest. That wasn't my motivation by considering it. Some women have very small breasts, I am one of them. Would you be as quick to have that response if you were lacking in an important region? (I'll let you guess which one I am speaking of) I am surpsrised that you would feel the need to be borderline insultive towards anyone who might consider this procedure and I can assure you that I am not the only one upset by this. Usually you come across very helpful, remind me to steer clear of you in the future.

I have also lost a cup size already and will probably lose a little more by the time I reach my goal. Personally, I like small-medium breasts on women, especially if they are in really good shape. Sometimes when I see women with an awesome body and big fake breasts, I am really turned off about how that looks. Especially if the implants are big and round and look hard and the skin is pulled too tight. Sometimes I look at before and after pics on cosmetic surgery websites and it seems like it must be really hard to find a doctor that can get them looking good. A natural breast of any size looks so much better to me than a fake breast.

Personally, I have no desire for larger breasts and would never consider getting implants. I think leaving yourself natural gives a person more character. Lastly,you shouldn't be too depressed because based on your pictures you look very well proportioned. You have great muscle definition and in my opinion that is far more imortant than a big chest! :tu:

I agree with Chim-Chim. Jeremy, your "thoughtfullness" was not needed. Well Jeremy here's some "food for thought" for you. Hold on tight because this will be lengthy. For one, I was really directing this to the ladies and I wanted to know how the women were coping with the issue of breast loss. If you read my post I stated that I didn't think I could ever fully consider getting augmentation. Saying that, even if I did are you saying that I am shallow and looking for a way to find a realtionship? I assure you, I make a full package and my choice to alter my body would not change how I interact with my boyfriend of four years. I don't deny that many women have that intention to draw attention to their chest. That wasn't my motivation by considering it. Some women have very small breasts, I am one of them. Would you be as quick to have that response if you were lacking in an important region? (I'll let you guess which one I am speaking of) I am surpsrised that you would feel the need to be borderline insultive towards anyone who might consider this procedure and I can assure you that I am not the only one upset by this. Usually you come across very helpful, remind me to steer clear of you in the future.

Well Jeremy here's some "food for thought" for you. Hold on tight because this will be lengthy. For one, I was really directing this to the ladies and I wanted to know how the women were coping with the issue of breast loss. If you read my post I stated that I didn't think I could ever fully consider getting augmentation. Saying that, even if I did are you saying that I am shallow and looking for a way to find a realtionship? I assure you, I make a full package and my choice to alter my body would not change how I interact with my boyfriend of four years. I don't deny that many women have that intention to draw attention to their chest. That wasn't my motivation by considering it. Some women have very small breasts, I am one of them. Would you be as quick to have that response if you were lacking in an important region? (I'll let you guess which one I am speaking of) I am surpsrised that you would feel the need to be borderline insultive towards anyone who might consider this procedure and I can assure you that I am not the only one upset by this. Usually you come across very helpful, remind me to steer clear of you in the future.
well i am not taking sides. i am w/ you chim-chim about how men if they were laking they would probably consider these thoughts but i really do not think he was directing those statements straight to you. you as well as i know there are many women who do this for attention and not self motivation many which will probably die alone too. do not take it personal as you said Jeremy has been good at questions and in-puts, but i think what he said and hope will sink in to those women whom do it for attention and feel it will be a cure for life love. but i am with you totally about just the thought of doing something like such (even though i would probably never get the nerves). i have been married for 4 and w/ my husband for 6 and i just want to look the best for him and feel the best about myself. don't let this get to you. you always had a good attitude about opinions on other threads. keep your head up. like my mom told me, "never take a mans opinion to heart unless they were born a woman." haha

"never take a mans opinion to heart unless they were born a woman." LOL that's great! :D well i am not taking sides. i am w/ you chim-chim about how men if they were laking they would probably consider these thoughts but i really do not think he was directing those statements straight to you. you as well as i know there are many women who do this for attention and not self motivation many which will probably die alone too. do not take it personal as you said Jeremy has been good at questions and in-puts, but i think what he said and hope will sink in to those women whom do it for attention and feel it will be a cure for life love. but i am with you totally about just the thought of doing something like such (even though i would probably never get the nerves). i have been married for 4 and w/ my husband for 6 and i just want to look the best for him and feel the best about myself. don't let this get to you. you always had a good attitude about opinions on other threads. keep your head up. like my mom told me, "never take a mans opinion to heart unless they were born a woman." haha

I am thankful for the chance to share my thoughts and opinions. I do understand that this was a woman-thread and therefore I did step out of line in inserting my opinions. I was hoping to add a male's opinion because the real men I know could care less about the size of your breasts - they care about the quality of you as a person, and as a package. It is only an insult if you choose to take it that way. I know that the pursuit of gaining muscle mass is superficial. Whether or not that is derogatory is again a matter of opinion. It is not my place to judge - I have not earned that right and I have my own share of traits and characteristics I am constantly improving. Fortunately, people who care point out the places where I can make improvement, and I have learned to take that constructive criticism and choose to continue to disagree, or instead of taking it personally, do something with it to improve my life. If you choose to disagree, that is fine.

As for this - "Would you be as quick to have that response if you were lacking in an important region? (I'll let you guess which one I am speaking of)"

How do you know I am or am not lacking? Would I really care? Do I? I only know that my relationship with my wife has nothing to do with any physicial feature of mine, or lack thereof. So the honest answer is - yes, I would be as quick to have that response.

"I am surpsrised that you would feel the need to be borderline insultive towards anyone who might consider this procedure and I can assure you that I am not the only one upset by this. Usually you come across very helpful, remind me to steer clear of you in the future."

If you wish to steer clear, that is your prerogative. I can understand avoiding complex issues instead of facing them dead-on.

Here is why this strikes a sensitive nerve with me - that women continue to allow society, the media, and general pressure to allow them to become upset and obsessed over something trivial like the size of their breasts. Yes, I said trivial, and I meant it. In the scheme of life, it is trivial, and yes, it is superficial. Does that make me BETTER than you? Heavens no! We are all human, we all have our opinions. I have a friend who was 350 pounds. He had a lot of issues that created that situation for him. That did not stop me from pointing out he was doing something seriously WRONG and that he needed to change. He didn't like what I had to say, but it was because I cared about him, and the result was that he started to make the right changes. In the past, he simply reacted with anger and withdrew. Now, I could have tried to please everyone and felt bad but you know what? It was life or death so I chose to risk alienating him in order to help him realize what was going on. And I am happy I made that decision.

I have a friend who was burned - nearly 100% of his body - when he was young. He has suffered skin graft after skin graft. His skin is constantly dry and flaking, cracked. He cannot move several fingers on his hands because they were so damaged. He has a hole under his lip, cannot grow facial hair, and when small children see him sometimes they innocently ask, WHAT HAPPENED? Or stare with their mouths open.

Now he could play the "victim" and woe is me and go on, but he made a decision to simply live life and enjoy it. And he lives life like a normal person. He is a victor, not a victim. In fact, I often forget anything physical happened to him - it is only when other people who are still stuck on appearances have a reaction that I am reminded. And does he get offended? No - he realizes sometimes people simply aren't used to seeing that and gives people plenty of time to adjust. Some do, some don't - that's their prerogative.

So, yeah, I think it's sad that someone can be burned and almost die and live a normal life comfortable with who he is, but people who are otherwise completely healthy would choose to voluntarily risk their lives because they feel a physical component like their chest size is important. If someone could help explain to me how breast size is anything more than superficial, I am always willing to listen with an open mind and accept new ideas.

Sorry, I don't sugar-coat things - I prefer to be forward and direct, it's who I am, so if that makes us incompatible, then I'll take alienating a few when I know I have reached many more. I certainly don't intend to hurt feelings or insult - I work with many people with low self-esteem who instead of trying to address the deeper, emotional self-worth and self-esteem, try to stick a band-aid on something by focusing on the physical. It's not a man or woman issue - whether someone is obese, or doesn't like the size of their biceps, or breasts, or any other body part, fixing the physical issue doesn't do a damn thing - it is the personal, emotional, spiritual transformation that makes a difference, in my opion. The fact that you think I would change my perspective because of something superficial like my (you know what) simply means we have different priorities and perspectives, because that is the least of my worries in life.

Again, doesn't make me better than you, and doesn't make you worse. It is just a passionate opinion that I possess and share. I certainly have my own flaws and issues to work out, I am far from perfect.

Oh, yeah, and a similar thread has sprung up elsewhere - with John's belly button, for example. There is absolutely no health reason on the planet why that would have to change at all, but it is obviously an issue that bothers John. Now, he is trying various methods to address that - but if he were to mention liposuction, I'd share the exact same opinion with him. 1 in 5,000 people die from liposuction, and that could easily fall on the 1st or the 5,000th person to try it.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts as well, and I apologize for interrupting a thread that was largely not meant for males.

Jeremy

I don't think that Jeremy was directing his post at anyone. Just making his opinion known.

No surgical enhancement would be worth the risk of death. No way. Plus, just think if you did die. Ack! I would die all over again from the embarassment of being known as "that lady who died getting a boob job." :p

From what I know of Jeremy, he would never intentionally insult anyone. I think he was just expressing his honest point of view. Of course this is a forum for women, so his opinion (and probably mine too - sorry!) may not even be wanted. That's cool. Please PM Lisa and she will proxy-smack the shit out of me, if you like. ;)

I'm just going to say that I would never judge anyone who decides to have plastic surgery, but I personally could never do it. You should know that I (and many guys I know - more than you may think) happen to prefer small breasts. The whole huge breast thing is pretty played out, and is becoming kind of old-hat. I predict that small breasts are going to make a big comeback. :D

Sorry if I've offended anyone here. Just my honest POV.

Sorry, I don't sugar-coat things - I prefer to be forward and direct, it's who I am, so if that makes us incompatible, then I'll take alienating a few when I know I have reached many more.

I didn't think that anything Jeremy said was insulting. I appreciated his comments. :D

Sorry, I don't sugar-coat things - I prefer to be forward and direct, it's who I am, so if that makes us incompatible, then I'll take alienating a few when I know I have reached many more. I certainly don't intend to hurt feelings or insult - I work with many people with low self-esteem who instead of trying to address the deeper, emotional self-worth and self-esteem, try to stick a band-aid on something by focusing on the physical. It's not a man or woman issue - whether someone is obese, or doesn't like the size of their biceps, or breasts, or any other body part, fixing the physical issue doesn't do a damn thing - it is the personal, emotional, spiritual transformation that makes a difference, in my opion. The fact that you think I would change my perspective because of something superficial like my (you know what) simply means we have different priorities and perspectives, because that is the least of my worries in life.

Jeremy



Jeremy,

Many believe that those who choose to work out and eat right are being superficial. EVERYbody here didn't like the way they looked, are you saying we all have deep seated emotional issues for wanting to lose weight since that would be considered "fixing the physical"? That going to the gym is just coving up another real issue? My small amount of interest in getting implants has nothing to do with attention from males nor do I feel sorry for myself for having a small chest. I simply wanted some women's input to see how THEY felt about it, and how THEY were dealing with it.

I KNOW people take their lives for granted I worked at a hospital for years before I moved. I have so many personal stories that deal with human spirit and triumph. I worked in a cardiac rehabilitation ward. What angers me Jeremy, is that you are attacking me as a person and not the idea. There is a difference between "sugar coating" things and being insulting. You could have stated your opinion without cutting me down. You anger me because you know absolutely nothing about me! You are making assumptions about a complete stranger. HOW on earth do you know what my priorities are? As a matter of fact my priorites are my family! I really don't like how you insinuate that people who get implants are shallow and have deep seated emotional issues. Oh, yes, and then there was the part where you said try forming realtionships based on yourself and not your chest!! That isn't even an issue! I look at how you replied and look at how John replied and you both feel the same but John was tactful about it. Thank you John!

I'll say one more thing and then we can take this to private e-mail, as there is not need to have a long, drawn-out debate.

First, eating right and working out are more than superficial - there are reams of research to prove it. The health benefits are well documented. The second leading cause of death in 2000 was improper nutrition and/or lack of exercise. I'm not familiar with any statistics linking breast surgery with improved health - so that argument stops being something logical and turns into just a matter of opinion - and everyone is entitled to one.

Chim-Chim, yes, often times being overweight is more deep than the superficial, extra amount of fat. It is often very internal, and has to do with emotions, with trauma in the past, with feelings of inadequacy, etc. Most of the people who have amazing breakthroughs don't simply figure out a special workout or calorie routine. They have an internal breakthrough - a mind, body, and soul transformation. Going to the gym, Chim-Chim, is a well documented method to improve your health. Again, it holds no water in an argument for plastic surgery because I am still waiting to read the article about how that improves health. I have read plenty that indicate how it damages health.

Second, I never once accused you, specifically, of anything. I can see because you started the thread that it would be easy to assume that my comments were directed at you - you are right, that is how it could appear and for not communicated that directly, I apologize. You are right - I do not know you, I don't know your priorities, and as I already said before, it is not my place to judge. And I also made it clear that just because people are focused on external factors doesn't make them shallow. Being focused on something superficial doesn't make you a shallow person. I have focused on superficial things in my life - i.e. gaining muscle mass for no other reason than cosmetic appearance, etc.

So, Chim-Chim, here's where the buck stops. You can continue to draw this out, I'm sure a few more people will jump in, etc, but I'm out of this thread. If it is important to continue, then take it up with me in private. The fact is, I am not attacking anyone. I am not accusing you of anything. I am expressing a general opinion that may or may not apply to people. You made a choice to take it as a personal insult, and you continue to filter out any information but that which you can react to emotionally. And that is why I know there is no point in continuing this discussion - you have already made up your mind based on your preconceived notions and interpretations of my first post, and I already made the mistake of posting without clarity and expressing an opinion that obviously struck a nerve, and ended up hurting someone's feelings when I did not intend to. I am sorry - I apologize, I made a mistake.

In case you are interested in where I draw my opinions from, here are a few links for your own research:

http://www.mercola.com/2002/oct/9/breast_implants.htm

And I'm no expert, but I can bet that when Dr. Mercola said "This is particularly sad, as the implants will in no way shape or form treat the underlying distorted body image that motivates the vast majority of women to have the surgery in the first place." he was NOT taking a personal dig at you, but rather relating the disturbing trend that I was trying to share with my post.

http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/1996Q1/silicone12.html
http://www.lawandpsychiatry.com/breast_implants_linked_to_suicid.htm
http://wildcat.arizona.edu//papers/89/97/01_4_m.html
http://implants.clic.net/tony/Corner6/016.html
http://www.007b.com/who_needs_breast_implants.php
http://www.smc.edu/voices/forerunner/volume2_1/our%20bodies/Human%20Sexuality.htm
http://zine.dal.net/previousissues/issue18/editorial-life-thin.php
http://www.healthypages.net/news.asp?newsid=3069
http://www.prwatch.org/prwissues/1996Q1/silicone12.html

Jeremy

I was pretty serious about getting implants 6 months ago, but thankfully I was knocked into my senses. I had a routine surgical procedure for something unrelated and there were serious, unexpected complications that nearly killed me and almost made me infertile. I then realized that my health is the most precious thing I have, and that's not worth putting in jeopardy for any reason.

Furthermore, I very much want to nurse my children in the future and breast surgery can interfere with that. Even when the incision is in the armpit, the nerves responsible for lacatation are severed. Numb nipples aren't just bad for sex, but also for breastfeeding.

I am thankful that I never got implants because staying healthy and having all my body parts working properly is too important to me to risk over an unnecessary procedure.

Is it true that you can feel the implant upon touching the breast. I have heard that and always wondered if it was true. I have also heard that even if you choose salene implants they are cased in a silicone shell so people have still had health issues over a bad reaction to the silicone. More than anything I really want to get my spider veins done(which was talked about in another forum).

At this point I don't see a benefit to putting myself at risk for implants. I may never actually get to the point where I am 100% sure I want them even if the risk was greatly reduced. Still, every once in a while I think about how nice it would be to have some boobs! :D

i guess i will be the rare person in this thread that says if you think you would be happier then go for it. yes there's a risk but it's a calculated risk and you weigh them before making the decision, and decide how much and if your quality of life would be improved and if the risk is worth it to you. no one can walk in your shoes and knows what it feels like to be you, so live and let live.

I wasn't going to get involved in this thread, but I just have to agree with chops. I think after you weigh the risks and research it carefully and decide it's something you still want... go for it. :D
I had my ears tucked when I was 21 and I have never regretted it, nor do I feel shallow for doing it. I feel like I can pull my hair up or back and not have my grandfathers ears staring at me when I look in the mirror....

Some women can feel their implant while some don't. It depends on a lot of things. For some women, their implant becomes hard as a rock. It is possible that during certain activities the implant can pop out of place and instead of laying flat against your chest, it can turn side ways. It happened to a few people I know. Saline implants are not cased in a silicone shell :)Is it true that you can feel the implant upon touching the breast. I have heard that and always wondered if it was true. I have also heard that even if you choose salene implants they are cased in a silicone shell so people have still had health issues over a bad reaction to the silicone. More than anything I really want to get my spider veins done(which was talked about in another forum).

At this point I don't see a benefit to putting myself at risk for implants. I may never actually get to the point where I am 100% sure I want them even if the risk was greatly reduced. Still, every once in a while I think about how nice it would be to have some boobs! :D

Thank you for the support ladies. I really wasn't trying get get off course or engage in an argument earlier with Jeremy. My apologies there, but I sincerely felt like I was being attacked and felt like I needed to take up for not only myself, but anyone who might feel the same way I do about this issue. I don't think any of us need to feel guilty about wanting to look our best. I was also wanting to hear from anyone considering ANY kind of cosmetic surgery or procedure. Another thing I have thought about doing is a teeth bleaching. I think is costs something like $300.00 to get it done though.

Woe, thanks for the input on the implant. I heard that salene implants were in a silicone shell on a television show, so I assumed it to be true. You know because EVERYthing on television is ALWAYS true. :p

Since the topic was brought up about how men feel about breast implants, I thought I would offer my opinion. If they are noticeable, and they usually are when the woman is petite, it is a turnoff.

In addition (since I'm just throwing my opinions all around, sorry ;) ) I prefer small breasts to large ones. Maybe this is because I fell in love with a petite woman, I'm not sure. But I agree wth John, small breasts are the new big!


Thank you for the support ladies. I really wasn't trying get get off course or engage in an argument earlier with Jeremy. My apologies there, but I sincerely felt like I was being attacked and felt like I needed to take up for not only myself, but anyone who might feel the same way I do about this issue.

Chim-chim, I just wanted to say that your reaction to what Jeremy wrote was very understandable to me. After reading your initial post, I was interested to pan down and read the views of women who have contemplated breast implants for one reason or another, as, I believe, illiciting these opinions was the point of your post. I think you made it very clear that you would not seriously ever consider them. It sounded like you were looking for support from others in the same situation. Jeremy's response was very preachy and although well intentioned did sound derogatory. With our culture so wrapped around images of ideal female beauty, I don't think men can understand what it is like for women to deal with this. I definitely don't. I know in the cerebral parts of our mind we can say this stuff doesn't matter, looks don't matter, it is inside which is the most important. But the simple fact is, that men don't live in a society that is obsessed with the male form. I don't know what that would be like? So I hope you find more support here with these difficult issues than was offered by Jeremy.

Since the topic was brought up about how men feel about breast implants, I thought I would offer my opinion. If they are noticeable, and they usually are when the woman is petite, it is a turnoff.

In addition (since I'm just throwing my opinions all around, sorry ;) ) I prefer small breasts to large ones. Maybe this is because I fell in love with a petite woman, I'm not sure. But I agree wth John, small breasts are the new big!




Chim-chim, I just wanted to say that your reaction to what Jeremy wrote was very understandable to me. After reading your initial post, I was interested to pan down and read the views of women who have contemplated breast implants for one reason or another, as, I believe, illiciting these opinions was the point of your post. I think you made it very clear that you would not seriously ever consider them. It sounded like you were looking for support from others in the same situation. Jeremy's response was very preachy and although well intentioned did sound derogatory. With our culture so wrapped around images of ideal female beauty, I don't think men can understand what it is like for women to deal with this. I definitely don't. I know in the cerebral parts of our mind we can say this stuff doesn't matter, looks don't matter, it is inside which is the most important. But the simple fact is, that men don't live in a society that is obsessed with the male form. I don't know what that would be like? So I hope you find more support here with these difficult issues than was offered by Jeremy.


Thank you so much GH! Your woman is lucky to have such an understanding man around! ;) I think with every fad, fake boobs much like everything else will lose it's initial appeal. I do know a handful of women who did get implants that looked extremely natural, in fact had they never told me, I wouldn't have known. That was what got me intersted in the first place. Like you said, I was really looking for a good topic that would have some decent feedback. Thank you for posting!

I didn't take Jeremy's post the way others did. It didn't bother me at all. I have family members who've had plastic surgery and are very happy with it, and it would be hard for me to picture those people taking offense as well. I think that Jeremy was just writing in a persuasive, rhetorical style, but to some it looked like a preaching, direct style (which would be out of his character--that's why I didn't take it that way).

As for teeth bleaching. There's something I know about. :) I had it done professionally when I finished having braces. I've also used a few at home whitening kits.

I would highly recommend Crest Night Effects.

This stuff really works. The Whitestrips irritated the hell out of my gums to the point that I couldn't use them anymore. Plus, I found them distracting and uncomfortable. I wasn't always sure that they were covering my teeth. I haven't done the in-office type of whitening, but I have done the dentist supervised tray whitening where they make a custom fit tray and all that jazz. It works fine, but the Crest Night Effects worked just as well. I've also tried some others but nothing did as well as the Crest Night Effects.

As for toothpastes, I've tried all of them. Arm and Hammer with baking soda and peroxide seems to work best. (Added bonus: it happens to be cheaper than others like Mentadent and Rembrandt.) :)

I've just finished two weeks with a tooth whitening gel and I thought results were mediocre. They are much improved, but I am not satisfied.

I think next time I'll try the Crest Night Effects, Freemason, you are the third person I know to recommend them.

Does anyone know how long you must wait to try another brand after using a whitener?

i got my teeth bleached at the dentist's office 3 years ago and i highly recommend getting professional products to do it. you can get kits online that is the same stuff the pros use but you have to take your own teeth mold(wish i knew about it earlier). i bought a kit for my mom and for my fiance online for about 25% of what i had to pay and their results are equally good. just do a google for teeth bleaching.
one thing is a touch up once or twice a year is needed to keep them white but all you have to do is keep the tray and buy the bleach. the bleach is available online too.

I really hate to butt in on a women's thread, but I'm interested in getting my teeth whiter too. I tried the Crest whitestrips, which I barely noticed a difference when using. Also, I found a toothpaste called Plus White which seems to work better than any other ones out there (Crest, Colgate, Rembrant). Do the Crest Night Effects work a lot better than the regular white strips, or are the results comparable?

Thanks, and sorry for intruding. :)

I really hate to butt in on a women's thread, but I'm interested in getting my teeth whiter too. I tried the Crest whitestrips, which I barely noticed a difference when using. Also, I found a toothpaste called Plus White which seems to work better than any other ones out there (Crest, Colgate, Rembrant). Do the Crest Night Effects work a lot better than the regular white strips, or are the results comparable?

Thanks, and sorry for intruding. :)

I've used both, and I didn't think the Whitestrips did much at all. The Night Effects worked a lot better for me.

Thank you for the support ladies. I really wasn't trying get get off course or engage in an argument earlier with Jeremy. My apologies there, but I sincerely felt like I was being attacked and felt like I needed to take up for not only myself, but anyone who might feel the same way I do about this issue. I don't think any of us need to feel guilty about wanting to look our best. I was also wanting to hear from anyone considering ANY kind of cosmetic surgery or procedure. Another thing I have thought about doing is a teeth bleaching. I think is costs something like $300.00 to get it done though.

Woe, thanks for the input on the implant. I heard that salene implants were in a silicone shell on a television show, so I assumed it to be true. You know because EVERYthing on television is ALWAYS true. :p

I have had my teeth bleached. I had the custom trays made by my dentist and bought the bleach that you take home and use for a week. It worked very well but made my teeth VERY SENSITIVE. I can't express how sensitive they were. I coudn't stand it. I stopped using it early because I was going crazy from the sensitivity. If I do it again (which I probably will within a year or two) I will definitely go with the laser whitening, which I wish I had done in the first place. I don't know anyone who has done the laser whitening but it looks good on TV!

My boyfriends mother also did the whitening the way I did with the custom trays and bleach. She didn't have the same problem that I did so I guess it doesn't affect everybody.

I use Crest Whitening Strips and they work great. :)I have had my teeth bleached. I had the custom trays made by my dentist and bought the bleach that you take home and use for a week. It worked very well but made my teeth VERY SENSITIVE. I can't express how sensitive they were. I coudn't stand it. I stopped using it early because I was going crazy from the sensitivity. If I do it again (which I probably will within a year or two) I will definitely go with the laser whitening, which I wish I had done in the first place. I don't know anyone who has done the laser whitening but it looks good on TV!

My boyfriends mother also did the whitening the way I did with the custom trays and bleach. She didn't have the same problem that I did so I guess it doesn't affect everybody.

Lisa, I know with Crest strips you can use two boxes back to back. I think you just need to stop if you feel a lot of sensitivity. I've just finished two weeks with a tooth whitening gel and I thought results were mediocre. They are much improved, but I am not satisfied.

I think next time I'll try the Crest Night Effects, Freemason, you are the third person I know to recommend them.

Does anyone know how long you must wait to try another brand after using a whitener?

I agree - great post GH!Thank you so much GH! Your woman is lucky to have such an understanding man around! ;) I think with every fad, fake boobs much like everything else will lose it's initial appeal. I do know a handful of women who did get implants that looked extremely natural, in fact had they never told me, I wouldn't have known. That was what got me intersted in the first place. Like you said, I was really looking for a good topic that would have some decent feedback. Thank you for posting!

Let's get back on topic here :)

As a general rule, I'm anti implant unless its an issue of not having a chest at all, in which case implants are fine by me.

I'm with jeremy in that I think it sucks that society places so much importance on the way a woman, or anyone for the matter, appears on that outside. On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with feeling better about yourself, and if shelling out a couple thousand bucks will make you feel that much better about yourself each and everyday for years on end, why not?

I'm full of contradiction today. I think I've made a completely unintelligible post. Oh well

a breast is a breast is a breast is a breast....or something like that...

It doesn't matter small, big, huge, tiny, medium...they do the same thing and they all look good when natural.

I think you should be happy with what you have, with what was given to you.

IMHO fake breasts disgust me. They don't look or feel the same - I would much rather a woman with an A cup than a woman who had an A and now has a fake whatever size.

The girl I am seeing has talked about getting her breasts done (she has a good size B) - I don't think she is totally serious but I talk her out of it as much as I can - I think she is perfect the way she is - nothing is sexier than a woman with small breasts who's completely confident in herself.

Just my 2 cents...

a breast is a breast is a breast is a breast....or something like that...

It doesn't matter small, big, huge, tiny, medium...they do the same thing and they all look good when natural.

I wish it were true.

Not everyone is disgusted by fake breasts. In fact, I'd wager, less than 25% of the population is disgusted by fake breasts. Maybe they might look disgusting naked, or in some bikinis, to some people, but in a good dress, fake breasts can make the difference between attractive and stunning.

I wouldn't understand anyone beyond a B cup wanting implants, but when you're a A cup (the "I'm sorry we don't carry that size here" size), and especially if you're an AA (the "might as well go without a bra, there's not much here to support" size), the option begins to look a little more tempting.

I wish it were true.

Not everyone is disgusted by fake breasts. In fact, I'd wager, less than 25% of the population is disgusted by fake breasts. Maybe they might look disgusting naked, or in some bikinis, to some people, but in a good dress, fake breasts can make the difference between attractive and stunning.

I wouldn't understand anyone beyond a B cup wanting implants, but when you're a A cup (the "I'm sorry we don't carry that size here" size), and especially if you're an AA (the "might as well go without a bra, there's not much here to support" size), the option begins to look a little more tempting.


LOL! What about the " Do you have socks for these two gaping pieces of fabric where my breasts are supposed to be?" Sometimes for fun I try on a shirt or a dress and jam my fists into the chest area to get an idea of what it would really look like! :confused: I guess one good thing about being this small is I can borrow my 7 year old nieces shirts if I am ever in a bind! :eek:

My fiance has DD boobs, and she's constantly telling me how she would like them to be smaller. I, for one, don't care about the size so much. The main problem she has is getting clothes to fit properly. I would fully support her if she wanted a lift or reduction. :)

My fiance has DD boobs, and she's constantly telling me how she would like them to be smaller. I, for one, don't care about the size so much. The main problem she has is getting clothes to fit properly. I would fully support her if she wanted a lift or reduction. :)

Exactly.

In terms of breasts (I realize the thread was less-specific to begin with) this seems like a total "grass-is-greener-on-the-other-side" issue.

I have large breasts. They hurt when i run. They get in the way of punching and throwing. They can hurt when I hike. I can't wear strapless dresses. I can't wear tanktops with built in bras. Sportsbras give me enormous uni-boob. Swimsuits can be uneccessarily revealing. My shoulders hunch.

I have no interest in changing them. They're not debilitating, just annoying and sometimes cumbersome. But, if anyone is thinking about enlarging, I'd just recommend that you know exactly what you're getting in to.

The biggest problem I think with breast implants is they have a pretty high failure rate compared to other plastic surgery procedures. You have to replace them regularly, like the tires on your car, because they get worn out, leak, harden, or move out of place. It's not a one-time surgical procedure. And each time you go under anesthesia, you put yourself at risk.

a breast is a breast is a breast is a breast....or something like that...

It doesn't matter small, big, huge, tiny, medium...they do the same thing and they all look good when natural.

~snip~

How about saggy "I'm in my 40's, nursed 2 kids, once was obese and now am not" breasts? :d_frown:

I would *definitely* consider a lift, if I had the $$$.

Superfink, have you looked at the "Perfect Body Gallery" Not an A cup to be found, and there's at least one picture of a woman with implants.

I don't need breast implants to look good, but if I had implants, I could look better.

At least saggy AAs aren't as bad as saggy C cups. :o

How about saggy "I'm in my 40's, nursed 2 kids, once was obese and now am not" breasts? :d_frown:

I would *definitely* consider a lift, if I had the $$$.

I think a lift - again this is my opinion - is different then an enlargement. As far as I have seen/read - a lift is a lot less of a procedure than enlargement - faster healing time, less chance of err, etc. When you do get older, or do nurse children its a known fact breasts will start to sag- some more than others - this is a whole different story than a 20 year old with small breasts saying I want larger ones...

What really matters in the whole decision making process of cosmetic surgery is that YOU (not directed to anyone in particular) do the research, that YOU understand all the possible consequences, and YOU make the decision - all anyone else can do for you is give an opinion - you need to decide for yourself. I personally am against it, but at the same time I will not shun someone for doing it - its your own decision and I personally wouldn't look at someone any differently who does or doesn't have cosmetic surgery.

Superfink, have you looked at the "Perfect Body Gallery" Not an A cup to be found, and there's at least one picture of a woman with implants.

I don't need breast implants to look good, but if I had implants, I could look better.

At least saggy AAs aren't as bad as saggy C cups. :o

Yes - I know this - but you will also notice most everyone is a model or actress and none of them are in their natural beauty - they are all plasterred with make-up and some with airbrushing - this is why media is bad in a sense - it gives people skewed views - hell I think if I dont have a 6 pack and perfect skin, etc there is something wrong with me. Fact is these are a handful of people in the limelight, a handful out of billions which make us all think thats how we should look.

Again - it's what makes you happy though - not what makes me, or Frank or Bob or Bill happy it's all for you - just like weight loss/exerscise should be.

I can't believe people are so willing to have invasive procdures - ones that could kill them - to change a superficial, physical aspect. I guess I am just very blessed with having made friends and fallen in love with someone who sees past the surface to ME. This is why a lot of diets fail for people - they think they'll lose x pounds and gain back self-confidence, but instead, they drop the weight, and the self-confidence and self-esteem is still gone. So then they get surgery and transform their bodies, and guess what? Your self-image is not based on your cup size. It is based on the self-conversations and the internal image you have of yourself - so this is not going to be an instant fix.

And heaven forbid you land a date or satisfy your mate or find a lover because of your chest size. No matter how much surgery you have, by the time you are 80, if your relationship is built on something that shallow, does this mean you split up and die alone?

Or maybe you can be yourself, celebrate who you are, the gifts God has given you, and "settle" for someone who sees past the surface and cares for you despite your breast size? What is there to truly gain by changing your physique artificially - attention? Wouldn't it be so much nice to gain attention through the things you do, and the services you provide to others, rather than how big your bust is?

Ultimately its your body and your decision - but there is food for thought!

Jeremy

I do see where you are coming from Jeremy, but I think you can have total self-confidence and still want a procedure done. I look at it as pleasing myself. I think we wear make-up to feel better, work out to feel better, and if you are aiming to just be more comfortable ( I am not talking about porno, DD, comfortable ) with your body then there isn't anything wrong with it, but if you are looking to gain self confidence (like Jeremy said) you are looking in the wrong spot.

This thread shows ones thing, just how many guys read the womans forum :) It's just like your magazines hehe.

Oh and small > large but yes breasts do make a difference just as a good hair cut, make up and good skin makes a difference. Most relationships at some point or other begin with physical attraction, i don't think there's anyway shallow or wrong with trying to improve your appearence for those reasons.

Would suck to miss out on a great guy/girl just becuase you didn't spark with them physically in the few minutes you first met them and they never got to know you. Having said that, i wouldn't want anyone to have implants, they just look bad so often and are so perminent, use booster bra's or the gell packs you can get for those "filling out a dress" occassions.

use booster bra's or the gell packs you can get for those "filling out a dress" occassions.
I think this is a much better idea than anyone getting implants. There are some pretty spectacular bras out there these days. Two and a half years ago, I was about 20 pounds underweight and had the chest to match. But you never would have known it (about the chest) thanks to a few very nice bras from Macy's.

This thread shows ones thing, just how many guys read the womans forum :) It's just like your magazines hehe.

Ha ha, thats great :claplow:

I would like to add my .02 here.

First of all, a lift is not a simpler procedure then implants. With the implants, you simply make the incision, insert the implants, fill them with the saline then close. With a lift, alot of times they remove the whole nipple (because it will have to be placed in a higher area obviously) they must remove excess skin and tissue so that the breast looks tighter and firmer. Then re-attach the nipple. If you guys can get a copy of it, there is an episode of an MTV series called True Life that chronicles girls who have had each...implants and reduction so you can see what goes into each procedure.

The main argument here seems to be about size here. A big issue is that after weightloss that cup size goes down. ok yes, but what about the fact that u lose the size and are left with these floppy pancakes. Alot of women are not going in to have implants to have humongous boobs like Anna NIcole, basically they just want the shape they had once before. No one has any right to judge anyone else on what they want to do to their body. Yes, you may offer an opinion but if surgery is what it will take to make that invidual a whole person again, then so be it, I see nothing wrong at all making your self look beautiful to FEEL beautilful. Of course there will always be people that push the envelope (like women who get implants the size of basketballs) But I feel everyone here just wants to look and feel their personal best. And if they are going to achieve it thru surgery then more power to them. Yes, society has brainwashed us into what ideal looks should be...but everyone should be allowed the CHOICE to do what makes them feel good.

I personally have never been in the hospital for anything. It would be very hard for me to go in voluntarily for surgery. (especially after watching all these "extreme" makeover shows) But I feel that if after doing a body transformation and I still had alot of issues like saggy skin and droopy breasts Im pretty sure I would get things taken care of, because if I didnt, I wouldnt feel my transformation was complete. THis is my opinion only and was not intended to offend anyone. Only to shed light on what we're thinking when we looking in the mirror.

A while back my future sister-in-law had breast reduction surgery. She's 22, about 5 feet tall and had very large breasts. I'm not sure what her actual starting size was, but she came about it through genetics. All of the women in her family had the same build, and incidentally suffered from back problems, which is why she went ahead and had the surgery.

She is happy with the results, but there was one concern. This is an interesting point that the doctor brought up, and I had never really thought about it this way. When most women have breast reduction surgery, their self esteem seems to go down for a while. The reason is that they can now see their bellies, and really realize that they are overweight. If they weren't overweight they still have self esteem doubts because of the new viewing perspetive that they have. It's a difficult transition to make so the doctor recommends going on a wieght loss program before the surgery, for that reason. She was overweight, but I'm not surehow it affected her.

As far as big breasts are concerned, whether you are a fan of them or not (male or female), they pose certain problems. All my life, I grew up around well endowed women, and am now married to one, and all I can say is that I hate to see them wear a bra out, because it's an ordeal to find a store that carries the larger sizes, and ordering through the mail or over the internet is even more frustrating. So if you are a C cup or under, consider yourself lucky in some respects.

I would like to add my .02 here.
~snip~
The main argument here seems to be about size here. A big issue is that after weightloss that cup size goes down. ok yes, but what about the fact that u lose the size and are left with these floppy pancakes. Alot of women are not going in to have implants to have humongous boobs like Anna NIcole, basically they just want the shape they had once before.
~snip~

My problem exactly. Nice post, Andi. :)

When I was 17 I had a B cup and was very active. Twenty years later I have DD cup and, as I am active again, I have been considering reductions. I want to see if the last 40 lbs or so will shrink them. If not, I'm gonna look goddamn funny!

If I had an A or B cup, I'd be happy to stay there, believe me! Big boobs are a big pain if you like to move. It is nearly impossible for me to find a swimsuit I can duckdive overhead surf in - the large cup ones are all for beached non-swimmers and are way too big at the bottom. Sportbra? Try ultra-engineered over the shoulder boulder holder with kinetic damping supression system. That's just for cycling! Exercises that involve bringing arms across the chest are difficult to manage ergonomically. I would love to be able to wear one of those little tops with spaghetti straps and the built in bras as they look so minimal and cool. No matter how thin or fit I get, that will not likely be possible.

One thing is true - certain guys who like big boobed women do stare at them, particularly as they get outsized for my body. But they really get in the way of so much that it isn't worth it.

A former co-worker of mine lost her breasts to DCIS and prophylactic mastectomy (severe family history of breast cancer). Being a slight and short woman and an avid runner, she decided to pass on the implants and built a-cup pecs instead. It looks right on her and she likes the firmness. Unless you saw her in the shower or she told you wouldn't know. She wears a slightly padded bra or bikini top to perpetuate the illusion.

For me this is and should be all about health. What other people think is just far too dependent on what they have been told is a flaw so they will buy products to fix it. How many new problem areas are there each year? Not talking gross defects here, just picky stuff? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

This is a very hot topic and indeed deals with the very important issue of self esteem. I personally dont care if a girl has had plastic surgery or not. I have met a lot of girls who have had about 4 - 5 operations on various areas of there body before they were 18. I thought that was silly but they do look drop dead gorgeous. As far as breast implants go the results often look spectacular but having watched some of the reality tv shows showing the operations, OUCH!!!!!!! As a guy if i met a girl that was slender and looked as though she went to a gym it doesnt matter whether she was an A cup or a D cup she would still be gorgeous. Personally if I was a woman plastic surgery would be the last thing on my mind. If you guys are looking for an ego boost put a nice dress on and post some picks in the general forum I am sure you will get what you are looking for.