View Full Version : Must Read for all of the Scale Junkies out there


Coachese
Wed, July 12th, 2006, 02:37 PM
From Health Discovery Network

Why The Scale Lies...

We've been told over an over again that daily weighing is unnecessary, yet many of us can't resist peeking at that number every morning. If you just can't bring yourself to toss the scale in the trash, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the
A single teaspoon of salt contains over 2,000 mg of sodium. Generally, we should only eat between 1,000 and 3,000 mg of sodium a day, so it's easy to go overboard. Sodium is a sneaky substance. You would expect it to be most highly concentrated in salty chips, nuts, and crackers. However, a food doesn't have to taste salty to be loaded with sodium. A half cup of instant pudding actually contains nearly four times as much sodium as an ounce of salted nuts, 460 mg in the pudding versus 123 mg in the nuts. The more highly processed a food is, the more likely it is to have a high sodium content.

That's why, when it comes to eating, it's wise to stick mainly to the basics: fruits, vegetables, lean meat, beans, and whole grains. Be sure to read the labels on canned foods, boxed mixes, and frozen dinners. Women may also retain several pounds of water prior to menstruation. This is very common and the weight will likely disappear as quickly as it arrives. Pre-menstrual water-weight gain can be minimized by drinking plenty of water, maintaining an exercise program, and keeping high-sodium processed foods to a minimum.
Another factor that can influence the scale is glycogen. Think of glycogen as a fuel tank full of stored carbohydrate. Some glycogen is stored in the liver and some is stored the muscles themselves. This energy reserve weighs more than a pound and it's packaged with 3-4 pounds of water when it's stored. Your glycogen supply will shrink during the day if you fail to take in enough carbohydrates. As the glycogen supply shrinks you will experience a small imperceptible increase in appetite and your body will restore this fuel reserve along with it's associated water. It's normal to experience glycogen and water weight shifts of up to 2 pounds per day even with no changes in your calorie intake or activity level. These fluctuations have nothing to do with fat loss, although they can make for some unnecessarily dramatic weigh-ins if you're prone to obsessing over the number on the scale.

Otherwise rational people also tend to forget about the actual weight of the food they eat. For this reason, it's wise to weigh yourself first thing in the morning before you've had anything to eat or drink. Swallowing a bunch of food before you step on the scale is no different than putting a bunch of rocks in your pocket. The 5 pounds that you gain right after a huge dinner is not fat. It's the actual weight of everything you've had to eat and drink. The added weight of the meal will be gone several hours later when you've finished digesting it.

Exercise physiologists tell us that in order to store one pound of fat, you need to eat 3,500 calories more than your body is able to burn. In other words, to actually store the above dinner as 5 pounds of fat, it would have to contain a whopping 17,500 calories. This is not likely, in fact it's not humanly possible. So when the scale goes up 3 or 4 pounds overnight, rest easy, it's likely to be water, glycogen, and the weight of your dinner. Keep in mind that the 3,500 calorie rule works in reverse also. In order to lose one pound of fat you need to burn 3,500 calories more than you take in. Generally, it's only possible to lose 1-2 pounds of fat per week. When you follow a very low calorie diet that causes your weight to drop 10 pounds in 7 days, it's physically impossible for all of that to be fat. What you're really losing is water, glycogen, and muscle.

This brings us to the scale's sneakiest attribute. It doesn't just weigh fat. It weighs muscle, bone, water, internal organs and all. When you lose "weight," that doesn't necessarily mean that you've lost fat. In fact, the scale has no way of telling you what you've lost (or gained). Losing muscle is nothing to celebrate. Muscle is a metabolically active tissue. The more muscle you have the more calories your body burns, even when you're just sitting around. That's one reason why a fit, active person is able to eat considerably more food than the dieter who is unwittingly destroying muscle tissue.

Robin Landis, author of "Body Fueling," compares fat and muscles to feathers and gold. One pound of fat is like a big fluffy, lumpy bunch of feathers, and one pound of muscle is small and valuable like a piece of gold. Obviously, you want to lose the dumpy, bulky feathers and keep the sleek beautiful gold. The problem with the scale is that it doesn't differentiate between the two. It can't tell you how much of your total body weight is lean tissue and how much is fat. There are several other measuring techniques that can accomplish this, although they vary in convenience, accuracy, and cost. Skin-fold calipers pinch and measure fat folds at various locations on the body, hydrostatic (or underwater) weighing involves exhaling all of the air from your lungs before being lowered into a tank of water, and bioelectrical impedance measures the degree to which your body fat impedes a mild electrical current. If the thought of being pinched, dunked, or gently zapped just doesn't appeal to you, don't worry. The best measurement tool of all turns out to be your very own eyes. How do you look? How do you feel? How do your clothes fit? Are your rings looser? Do your muscles feel firmer? These are the true measurements of success. If you are exercising and eating right, don't be discouraged by a small gain on the scale. Fluctuations are perfectly normal. Expect them to happen and take them in stride. It's a matter of mind over scale.

TheChop
Wed, July 12th, 2006, 02:51 PM
I weight myself every morning mostly out of curiosity. I keep the weight and BF% I get in an Xcel spreadsheet. The only thing that I pay any attention to really is a moving 5 day average. It also shows me how much I'm loosing per week and a lot of other data. The key is to know what that data means and that most of it is relatively meaningless. Going on the assumption that I'm ever so slightly gaining muscle mass I can use it as another estimation of my BF%.

To be honest weighing myself everyday helps me a lot in two ways. It gives me a simple act that I can do so that in my head I never get off program which helps a great deal with momentum and it also frees me from being beholden to the number. I know what kind of cooky things they do. When I first started I didn't weigh myself at all until I was well into getting trim.

Blob
Wed, July 12th, 2006, 04:24 PM
I weight myself every morning mostly out of curiosity. I keep the weight and BF% I get in an Xcel spreadsheet. The only thing that I pay any attention to really is a moving 5 day average. It also shows me how much I'm loosing per week and a lot of other data. The key is to know what that data means and that most of it is relatively meaningless. Going on the assumption that I'm ever so slightly gaining muscle mass I can use it as another estimation of my BF%.

To be honest weighing myself everyday helps me a lot in two ways. It gives me a simple act that I can do so that in my head I never get off program which helps a great deal with momentum and it also frees me from being beholden to the number. I know what kind of cooky things they do. When I first started I didn't weigh myself at all until I was well into getting trim.

IMO, It is this exact reason that weighing yourself everyday is MORE helpful than every week,month, whatever. Using a moving average "evens out" the variances caused by various things, And gives a more accurate picture of how you are trending, assuming it is done immediately after getting up and having that "morning ellimination"

tennisball
Wed, July 12th, 2006, 07:51 PM
This article is a little misguided. When the general population is overweight or obese, we should be installing scales in everyone's homes, not give them excuses for being overweight.

That article could have been summed up in one sentence: "Weigh yourself only in the mornings before you eat to track consistent progress."

1esotericguy
Thu, July 13th, 2006, 02:01 AM
Big fan of the scale here. This article was just 6 paragraphs of excuses not to meter your progress.

TheChop
Thu, July 13th, 2006, 09:00 AM
Good to see I'm not alone here. :D

SwoleCat is big on only weighing in every two weeks to track progress. I can see where this is beneficial if you're 190lbs and are cutting from 17% to 10%. You can go from 190 to 187 and it could take 3 months to move the scale three pounds but if you're replacing that fat with muscle then you're meeting your goals and the scale is pretty useless. If you're like me and going from 290 to cut then the scale is a definite indicator of progress. If the scale is not moving something is not working.

Justitia
Thu, July 13th, 2006, 09:42 AM
Big fan of the scale here. This article was just 6 paragraphs of excuses not to meter your progress.

You obviously don't know MannishBoy :nono:

This is truly the"No Excuse" man... we should all be blessed with his discipline....:nod:

Coachese
Thu, July 13th, 2006, 11:34 AM
Big fan of the scale here. This article was just 6 paragraphs of excuses not to meter your progress.

Man you guys are hardcore -- and it's good to see that everyone here thinks that (especially) newbies should be weighing themselves everyday.

Is this so far off:

The best measurement tool of all turns out to be your very own eyes. How do you look? How do you feel? How do your clothes fit? Are your rings looser? Do your muscles feel firmer? These are the true measurements of success. If you are exercising and eating right, don't be discouraged by a small gain on the scale.

Isn't that the very thing that gets thrown around in here time after time after time? Makes perfect sense to me, but then again I don't care if I weigh 184 or 184.97.

:)


Perhaps this belongs in the "Beginners" section?

rtestes
Thu, July 13th, 2006, 12:12 PM
The scales are far more honest than our eyes and minds. Every time I look in mirror, I take 20 years and 20lbs off by a blink of my eye. People need to be aware of their bodies. A functioning human being ought to be able to address changes and causes in a rational manner.

Every day might be overdoing it, but it isn't harmful. I think you should record it on a weekly basis, especially when you are in a transformation period - cut or bulk.

Coachese
Thu, July 13th, 2006, 12:16 PM
The scales are far more honest than our eyes and minds. Every time I look in mirror, I take 20 years and 20lbs off by a blink of my eye.

Only 20lbs and 20 years with one eye? Try using both eyes and take off 40 and 40!

:whistle:

BTW -- The scale is only honest about one thing: total weight. Nothing else.

RobP
Thu, July 13th, 2006, 12:19 PM
I weigh myself daily while my wife does it more on a whim.. if she happened to step on the scale once a week I'd be surprised. I can see my numbers go down gradually and although there are peaks and valleys from day to day, over time it's weight lost that I see. My wife on the other hand can sometimes weigh herself when she's at a peak 2 weeks apart and it makes her feel like she's not accomplished much.

I'm trying to get her to not be afraid of the scale and to keep track of her numbers form day to day (including calories) but it's been pretty tough.

rtestes
Thu, July 13th, 2006, 02:03 PM
BTW -- The scale is only honest about one thing: total weight. Nothing else.
Very true, we have things to address other measurements like calipers and tapes.

tennisball
Thu, July 13th, 2006, 05:11 PM
I agree. A scale in conjuction with calipers and tape are the best indicator of progress (or lack thereof).

But I still stick to my previous post- in general, most of America should be concerned with the scale. The people who frequent this forum already have made a decision to change. The scale is only one part of the equation.



Very true, we have things to address other measurements like calipers and tapes.

NEdge
Thu, July 13th, 2006, 06:13 PM
Both my wife and I weigh ourselves nearly daily. Normally her weight is fairly constant and she doesn’t worry about +/- a few lb. I write my weight down and do a 7 day running average.

However, my wife is expecting, and thus gaining weight, and monitoring in her head, but without the 7 day average.

This morning my weight was up by 2 lb over yesterday (I’m cutting), which is no surprise. Interestingly hers was up by 2lb also. ‘F**king scale! @#%$&’ I heard from the bathroom. I had to laugh, and I do think it is the scale she was complaining about, rather than thinking she had gained 2lb in one day. For instance I think 2 days before it had suddenly gone down 2lb and similar curses were echoed. Actually I’m sure she didn’t use the F-word, but you get the idea.

Point is, not only can weight fluctuate due to water etc.. but I seriously do wonder about the scales. Ours does tend to vary quite a bit, sometimes just when you reset it, sometimes if you move it to a different spot. My concern over weight 1x/week is that you are really relying on that one measurement. If you are trying to loose 2lb/week and you weigh the same as last week, you could well have lost 1-2 lb, but have the whole week to think about it before the next weigh in. I guess it doesn’t matter if you are trying to loose 60lb over months, but trying to do a clean bulk or just loose 1lb/week for 5-10 weeks, I think it makes a difference.

On the other hand if you do weigh yourself daily, I think you should always write down the weight so you can see trends, rather than a single weight.

Of course if you get too hung up, and I know people do, then weighing yourself often, or even at all, can be an issue.

1esotericguy
Thu, July 13th, 2006, 09:48 PM
Is this so far off:

The best measurement tool of all turns out to be your very own eyes. How do you look? How do you feel? How do your clothes fit? Are your rings looser? Do your muscles feel firmer? These are the true measurements of success. If you are exercising and eating right, don't be discouraged by a small gain on the scale.

Isn't that the very thing that gets thrown around in here time after time after time? Makes perfect sense to me, but then again I don't care if I weigh 184 or 184.97.

:)



My eyes and my ability to gauge how my clothes fit are my worst tools actually; proven by the fact that I got fat to begin with. :whistle:

Coachese
Fri, July 14th, 2006, 01:41 PM
It wasn't your eyes fault.
:D

Enough with the being argumentative for the sake or arguing...


My eyes and my ability to gauge how my clothes fit are my worst tools actually; proven by the fact that I got fat to begin with. :whistle:

JoeSchmo
Sat, July 15th, 2006, 09:40 PM
This article is a little misguided. When the general population is overweight or obese, we should be installing scales in everyone's homes, not give them excuses for being overweight.

That article could have been summed up in one sentence: "Weigh yourself only in the mornings before you eat to track consistent progress."

I don't think the take-home message here is to ignore the scale, but rather, to know how to interpret fluctuations that you see on the scale. I didn't see it as some kind of "excuse-makng" at all -- In fact, it seemed to me that the article provided somewhat of a reality check: Just because you starve yourself and drop 10 pounds in a week doesn't necessarily mean that you've done yourself any favors....as most of that is going to be a combination of muscle, water, and if you are lucky, some fat.

Chris2121
Sun, July 16th, 2006, 10:52 AM
I use my Tanita (w/ BF% reading) every day, even though I know daily numbers don't mean anything. I still use it daily though, becaues I know I'm "answerable to the scale" if I should ever want to go off, or pack myself with some unhealthy amount of food. If I'm a pound or two over (or under), I can say "okay, that's just water, glycogen, etc." If I'm 3 or 4 pounds over my daily average for the past week or so, it's discouraging, but this only occurs if for some reason I'm weak enough to go off. In short, the scale says to me "hey you fat bastard, get back on track! You've been 189-191 all week, and now you're 195.You shouldn't have had those 3 slices of pizza last night!". It's great for bringing around that guilt that makes you want to be ever more strict, and work ever more hard.

Also, I agree with Rtestes that sometimes our own eyes don't see the real us. Especially if you have been overweight your whole life, and have body image problems. I've lost 125 pounds in the past 11 months, and I swear to you that I still feel just as fat and depressed when I look in the mirror now as I did when I was 315+. We also perceive ourselves differently in mirrors, than in other mediums, like photos or video. When I see myself in a photograph, I look way, way fatter than I perceive myself to look in a mirror.

Scales, tape measures, and calipers can be depressing, but if used correctly, they definitely don't distort reality. They can be discouraging at times, but you've got to have the focus enough to get past it and say "I'm not stopping until I see a single digit body fat percentage. period." If you get discouraged enough to get derailed by a few numbers, then your heart's just not in the game the way it should be.