I can't tell about the difference between ATW's Milk Protein Isolate (http://www.allthewhey.com/PDFs/MPI.mht) and AT's Nitrean (http://atlargenutrition.com/nutrition_detail.php?products_id=1). (you have to click on the link on Nitrean's page for nutritionals as there is no direct url) Are they the same wrt protein slow and fast-acting?

I am just waiting to finish up the regular ATW protein Isolate I still have, so I can start using my order of AT's Nitrean protein powders. ( I have about 25 lbs of ATW blend to go as I placed that order just days before John dropped them as a sponsor.)

But as AT's Nitrean is limited to Chocolate and Vanilla (Chocolate being the flavor I use the most by far... I will see how I like the Vanilla -- am not much of a fan of Vanilla), was wondering about ATW's Milk Isolate because they have it in Chocolate Mint and Orange... and I have become a big fan of Orange for my PWO's (mixed with diet orange soda and a well-ripened banana :drool: )

Well,

The ATW contains micellar casein and whey in some fashion (assuming hydro or iso given the lack of fat/carbs) but they don't provide details.

The advantage of Nitrean is the presence of egg proteins.

So not knowing about how much whey is in ATW... you could assume both are a blend of fast and slow digesting proteins... just not sure on the blends.

Thanks Hort.....

All depends where and how the protein was manufactured. But I would stay away from ATW- just from personal experience, it has bad shelf life, has caused some awful bloating, mixes terribly, and ATW has terrible customer service now.

If you're concerned with flavor, there are better choices out there. Do some google searching- there are probably over a hundred suppliers.


I can't tell about the difference between ATW's Milk Protein Isolate (http://www.allthewhey.com/PDFs/MPI.mht) and AT's Nitrean (http://atlargenutrition.com/nutrition_detail.php?products_id=1). (you have to click on the link on Nitrean's page for nutritionals as there is no direct url) Are they the same wrt protein slow and fast-acting?

I am just waiting to finish up the regular ATW protein Isolate I still have, so I can start using my order of AT's Nitrean protein powders. ( I have about 25 lbs of ATW blend to go as I placed that order just days before John dropped them as a sponsor.)

But as AT's Nitrean is limited to Chocolate and Vanilla (Chocolate being the flavor I use the most by far... I will see how I like the Vanilla -- am not much of a fan of Vanilla), was wondering about ATW's Milk Isolate because they have it in Chocolate Mint and Orange... and I have become a big fan of Orange for my PWO's (mixed with diet orange soda and a well-ripened banana :drool: )

Milk Protein Isolate, at least going by the common definition, is just the protein isolated from milk as it naturally occurs, meaning you end up with 20% whey and 80% Micellar Casein. This is great for nighttime use because you get a small boost of amino acids from the whey and then a lot of slow-digesting protein.

Nitrean is approximately 60% whey (mainly whey protein isolate, but also including some whey protein concentrate and hydrolyzed whey), 20% egg white protein, and 20% calcium caseinate (a form of casein that is separated from whey using some sort of acid as opposed to a microfiltration system, some argue that it is not as good as micellar casein in some ways, others say it's just as good only cheaper).

Which is better? Neither. They're different. Nitrean has a wider range of protein digestion speeds, and noticeably more whey. To me, that makes it ideal for use almost anytime. MPI, however, is mostly casein, so it seems to me like it would be best utilized as a before-bed meal, or during the day if you are on a really strict caloric deficit and extremely concerned about catabolism, but that's kind of excessive.

I normally use Nitrean as my main protien, and keep Micellar Casein around to use before bed (with a scoop of Nitrean as well for balance). It occurred to me earlier today that I'm essentially creating something with roughly the same breakdown as MPI (minus the egg, of course), so since I'm about out of my Micellar Casein supply (like Justitia, I purchased a buttload right before ATW got dropped and became an even lamer company), I decided to get ahold of some Milk Protein Isolate to use at night instead of my Micellar Casein & Nitrean combo. It should give me equivalent results in that application plus it works out a little cheaper. I just ordered mine from True Protein, since I can get quality MPI from them for $6.70 per pound (plus a 5% discount if you Google for a coupon code).

I will, however, say without a doubt that Nitrean mixes better than any protein I've ever seen, and it's damn hard to beat the taste.:tu:

Excellent informative post, Glaive. Thanks. I'd not read the mix of proteins in Nitrean before to know the breakdown, and hadn't thought about the predominance of casein in MPI.

I've been putting a scoop of nitrean with lowfat or FF cottage cheese at night along with some fat source (peanut butter, Udo's oil, flax oil) and vanilla or caramel no-cal syrup for a sweet treat. In that application, mixability doesn't really matter much, so I might look into a tub of MPI just for that purpose next time. I was thinking about Micellar casein, but that's much more expensive.

SO if you wanted to add micellar casein to the Nitrean (though I get it that it is a more expensive route) and you wanted to stay away from ATW, where would you recommend ordering it.

The reason I ask, is that I am constantly getting up 1-2 times a night wanting something to eat. I usually grab a piece of fruit... but I don't think that is satisfying me. I think that's why I wake up a second time. I am wondering about a bedtime snack of LF cottage cheese and Nitrean with micellar casein and some peanut butter (though I have not eaten peanut butter in years... now I feel like I have a yen for it.)

I know ON makes some casein mix of micellar and calcium caseinate. Bulk Nutrition carries it.
http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=1643


Never tried it and don't know if there is a better product, though.

Oh, you can also try trueprotein.com, as you can custom order whatever you want with whatever flavor you'd like, too.

I can't tell about the difference between ATW's Milk Protein Isolate (http://www.allthewhey.com/PDFs/MPI.mht) and AT's Nitrean (http://atlargenutrition.com/nutrition_detail.php?products_id=1). (you have to click on the link on Nitrean's page for nutritionals as there is no direct url) Are they the same wrt protein slow and fast-acting?

I am just waiting to finish up the regular ATW protein Isolate I still have, so I can start using my order of AT's Nitrean protein powders. ( I have about 25 lbs of ATW blend to go as I placed that order just days before John dropped them as a sponsor.)

But as AT's Nitrean is limited to Chocolate and Vanilla (Chocolate being the flavor I use the most by far... I will see how I like the Vanilla -- am not much of a fan of Vanilla), was wondering about ATW's Milk Isolate because they have it in Chocolate Mint and Orange... and I have become a big fan of Orange for my PWO's (mixed with diet orange soda and a well-ripened banana :drool: )

MPI is usually %80casein and %20whey. Nitrean has whey/casein/egg proteins in roughly %50/25/25 breakdown respectively but that's not taking in account of the glutamine.

The major difference in my opinion if the fact that nitrean has carbs.

Justitia,

You should definitely be eating some sort of fat before bed, whether it's peanut butter, flax oil, or something else like that. As for protein cottage cheese is rich in casein, so if you're consuming a decent portion of ff cottage cheese along with Nitrean you really don't need the extra casein. If you decide to add some, you could probably ditch the cottage cheese and be fine.

If you want to order some Micellar Casein, Calcium Caseinate, or Milk Protein Isolate, I recommend True Protein (www.trueprotein.com). They have very high quality products and give you a great many flavors to choose from (you can also order your flavoring separate so you can add whatever amount of whatever flavor you want to plain protein powder). They're not necessarily the cheapest choice on the planet, but their prices are reasonable and again they have great quality. Also, if you go with TP I highly recommend you spend the extra $.70 per pound to add Aminogen to your protein. It aids in digestion and absorption and is a great value for a tiny investment. Also, I recommend the BSL flavors over True Protein's. I usually get the BSL chocolate. It's not as good as Nitrean, but certainly not bad.