After two jugs of Cell Mass, I'm switching over to give Omega's Cre-Ethyl Thunder a try. If you use it or are interested you might like to know it's on sale at bb.com for only $15.99 (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/omega/cre.html) a bottle. ;)

http://www.1fast400.com/store/images/creethylblk.jpg

Crap. And I just bought mine at bulk nutrition for 25.00 bucks.

Wow, that is a great deal!

Too bad I just switched from Thunder to this:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bev/cs.jpg

:D

Too bad I just switched from Thunder to this:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bev/cs.jpg

:D


n00b!!! :neener: :whistle: :D

n00b!!! :neener: :whistle: :D
:cry:

:lol:

Wow, that is a great deal!

Too bad I just switched from Thunder to this:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bev/cs.jpg

:D


How about a little review on Cre-Ethyl Thunder if you will? Water retension/bloating? Gains? etc. Thanks in advance!

How about a little review on Cre-Ethyl Thunder if you will? Water retension/bloating? Gains? etc. Thanks in advance!
I may do one later but I've got a few other products I want to review first (Xtend, Select, AMP, SuperCharge, etc.). For now I'll give you the short version...

I like Thunder. No bloating. Gains were decent, not mind blowing, but no supplement is in my opinion. I think it would be good to use during a cut.

I like the fact that it's capsules as I drink enough shakes as it is. 8 capsules preworkout and you're done for the day. On non training days I like to use 4 capsules twice per day, separated by several hours (so morning and night would be fine). You could also use a bulk powder on non-training days if you'd prefer, from what I've read (I have not tried that though).

Overall I think it's a great product, but as with many supplements the results vary from person to person. I know a couple of guys who didn't like it all that much. Personally it is my favorite of all CEE products that I've tried.

:tucool: thanks!

I just ordered some of this, thanks for the heads-up. I've been wanting to try CEE for a while, this gave me the push to pick some up.

I just ordered some of this, thanks for the heads-up. I've been wanting to try CEE for a while, this gave me the push to pick some up.


You're welcome. I'm starting today, taking my first dose in about 90 minutes.

You're welsome. I'm starting today, taking my first dose in about 90 minutes.


Hort,..

If you don't mind, after a while post your thougts on it. I too ordered some to take advantage of the pricing, and based on 1fastGTX's experiences, figured it would be a solid prodcut to take a run at. I will be coming off Cell Mass before too long, and wanted to experience something different. There is so much available, it's hard to know what is quality, and what isn't,...

I am a bit curious,..1fastGTX mentioned he took his dose pre workout. Aren't most creatine doses recomended post workout?

1fastGTX, if your still watching this one?


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The recommended dosage for Thunder is PRE-WORKOUT. I'm logging it in the VX forums but here's my day one entry (today)

Started taking Omega's Cre-Ethyl Thunder today after two jugs of BSN's Cell Mass.

Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL (CEE)

Glycerol "...enhances the absorption of the CEE dramatically..."

Glucuronolactone "...a potent glucose metabolite; a form of glucuronic acid. Utilized by intensely exercising individuals, glucuronolactone has been shown to increase exercise capacity, reduce required rest times between sets, and magnifies a sense of well being."

Niacinamide and pyrodixine hcl "...required to properly utilize energy during intense training sessions. Both vitamins are water soluble and are easily be lost during perspiration..."

Potassium and sodium as electrolytes


Supplement Facts:

Serving Size: 8 Capsules
Servings Per Container: 30

Amount Per Serving:

Creatine Ethyl Ester 2,400mg
Glycerol Monostearate 2000mg
Glucuronolactone 800mg
Potassium Phosphate 400mg
Sodium Phosphate 280mg
Caffeine 112mg
Niacinamide 80mg
Pyridoxine HCL 8mg

Directions: Take 8 capsules on an empty stomach, 30 minutes prior to workout.


Day one: Back/Traps

Well, it's the first day so not too much to say. I certainly was flying going into the gym. Great mood, good energy. Excellent focus in the workout. But I was having a good day overall. Back/traps day isn't the day where I normally think about "pumps" but I can say that, after my 60th shrug rep, my forearms, of all things, were rock hard and fat. Never had that using cell mass. The pump in my arms hung around for significantly longer than Cell Mass as well. It will be interesting to see how the arms react when worked directly. That will be in 48 hours.

Ah HA,..So I see the caffeine in there. That explains the pre-workout usage,...Sounds good though,...Should be intereting when you do your next workout,...

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Hort,..

If you don't mind, after a while post your thougts on it. I too ordered some to take advantage of the pricing, and based on 1fastGTX's experiences, figured it would be a solid prodcut to take a run at. I will be coming off Cell Mass before too long, and wanted to experience something different. There is so much available, it's hard to know what is quality, and what isn't,...

I am a bit curious,..1fastGTX mentioned he took his dose pre workout. Aren't most creatine doses recomended post workout?

1fastGTX, if your still watching this one?


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I too used this preworkout. 8 capsules. On non-training days I split the dosage in half and took it twice per day. 4 capsules AM and 4 capsules PM.

I too used this preworkout. 8 capsules. On non-training days I split the dosage in half and took it twice per day. 4 capsules AM and 4 capsules PM.

Did it give you any caffeine side effects? ie,.Turn your stomach inside out? I made an order for some, but am a bit worried as I seem to be pretty semsitive to the caffeine. No Explode tears me up!! it has about double what Cre-Ethyl Thunder does, but I'm still worried,..Time will tell,.

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Did it give you any caffeine side effects? IE,.Turn your stomach inside out? I made an order for some, but am a bit worried as I seem to be pretty sensitive to the caffeine. No Explode tears me up!! it has about double what Cre-Ethyl Thunder does, but I'm still worried,..Time will tell,.

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Based on the posts you've made about how supp's affect you, I'd say you're in the minority. Most supp's seem to either do what they say or do nothing but from my experience and that of those around me, and from the reviews I read, very few people have the issues you describe. My only problem with caffeine is when I have too much, too late in the day. I tend to wake in the middle of the night. Otherwise, I get no stomach upset or similar issues from any supp I take.

Now about Thunder, I've only had one full dose and another half this morning so it's too early to tell. And if I have any negative experiences I'll be sure to log it.

I have started taking Thunder as well, first full dosage Monday, and the 4 in the am and 4 in the pm yesterday. So far the only thing I have experienced so far is a mild caffeine rush on workout days, but like Hort stated, it's to early to tell. I will chime in here and there to talk about the effects it has on me, as well.

I took Thunder once. Once. Once.

Took the prescribed dose just before workout. 8 capsules. 3 hours later I was puking my guts out. Haven't touched the stuff since and have a full bottle (minus the 8 capsules) sitting in my pantry.

I should probably mention that the same thing happened to my with Swole.

I took Thunder once. Once. Once.

Took the prescribed dose just before workout. 8 capsules. 3 hours later I was puking my guts out. Haven't touched the stuff since and have a full bottle (minus the 8 capsules) sitting in my pantry.

I should probably mention that the same thing happened to my with Swole.
Syntrax Swole V.3? You know what I like about that stuff? It tastes like Tang!

That's two different products that gave you the same problems, although both ARE creatine... did you have the same problem with monohydrate? Just wondering.

Syntrax Swole V.3? You know what I like about that stuff? It tastes like Tang!

That's two different products that gave you the same problems, although both ARE creatine... did you have the same problem with monohydrate? Just wondering.

Yes, Syntrax Swole. Although I thought it was V2 or something like that. The only "creatine" I've been able to stomach is Apex Cell Volumizer. That doesn't seem to bother me.

I must be overly sensitive to caffeine,...I woudl think maybe I wouldn't be, as I use to drink a lot of Mt. Dew, and other caffinated pop,..I mean LOT!! Steady intake of the stuff, all day long, and into the evenings,..For years,...:bang:

Major contributor to my Type II Diabetes I'm sure.

Thanks for the input,a nd I will give it a shot as well,..Just thought I would see if anybody else had issues liek that, since a couple here locally are the same way,...I was thinking of trying a caffeine stack, or a thermogenic to try and expidide the last few pounds of fat I'm wanting to rid myself of, but after the reaction I have been having, I'm looking for something different now,...Any thoughts ??

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Mine just showed up here at work, I'm excited to start taking it tomorrow morning before my delts and arms workout.

I took Thunder once. Once. Once.

Took the prescribed dose just before workout. 8 capsules. 3 hours later I was puking my guts out. Haven't touched the stuff since and have a full bottle (minus the 8 capsules) sitting in my pantry.

I should probably mention that the same thing happened to my with Swole.

If I end up liking this stuff I'll buy your bottle from you

If I end up liking this stuff I'll buy your bottle from you

Wamsutta,..

PM sent,...

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Ok so it's been a little over a week now on supp and here is what I have noticed in the simplist way to describe:

I am not effected by it. I haven't recieved any strength gains that I know of, my lifting stamina doesn't seem enhanced from what I can tell, no "mind blowing pumps", no decreased soreness (which I could give a hoot about), BUT for some reason I do think I am healing much faster. I have a bad back, and have had back problems since age 13. Now when I do my compound lifts my back is always, ALWAYS, left a little twinged or tingly, regardless of my form. Now ever since taking the supplement it seems my back soreness is healed much faster, but this could contribute to the new routine I have been following (TBT), maybe both.

I don't know. All in all though I don't believe it is having any effect on my body but I am willing to finish this bottle just for the fact *cough* placebo *cough* that I believe it is helping my lower back in it's recovery. Anyone else have any thoughts?

Jash,..
Well, I too have been using the Cre-Ethyl Thunder for a few days. I was using Cell Mass prior,...

I can't say I have noticed a great deal myself, but to be fair, I was already cycling Cell Mass,..I didn't have a break from it prior to starting the Omega product. I have to say also, I have been extremely busy lately, and have been trying to find a new workout to boot, so it's been a little slow trying to work out kinks in a routine this week. I have changed my set/rep aproach too, so I have had a good deal of variables to deal with, not normally in place.

Had you been using, or have you used a creatine prodcut before?

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GRCRYSTYK

No, I can't say that I have. This is my first creatine product ever. Tried to go my entire lifting career without it, but ended up being sucked into the creatine realm and thought I would try this one out first since it was recommended to me from a very knowlegable source.

Guess it's back to the drawing board. Think I am going to try a monohydrate next, maybe some Cell Mass since I hear good things.

GRCRYSTYK

No, I can't say that I have. This is my first creatine product ever. Tried to go my entire lifting career without it, but ended up being sucked into the creatine realm and thought I would try this one out first since it was recommended to me from a very knowlegable source.

Guess it's back to the drawing board. Think I am going to try a monohydrate next, maybe some Cell Mass since I hear good things.

Jash,.
I'm not an expert by any means, but don't give up on it yet. Finish off the bottle, and see how things go the next couple weeks,...It might sneek up on you. I noticed, I dion't get an across the board response. It effects some lifts more so that others,..This isn't something I read anywhere, it's personal experience,..This could be said for many things I supopose, but after I started creatrine, I had some of my lifts, shoot up, and others not so much.

Like you said, nothingh mind blowing, but noticable, non the less,..I don;t think anything will give you a night and day "Eureka!" feeling,..but over the long haul, small things add up.

I'm almost more curious to cycle off creatine, and see how I feel when I'm off.

The thing with the Omega product, especially on training days,..is 8 caps, right before your workout, and that's it. Done. I take mine with my BCAA drink pre, then wait a short while, and have a small amount of Oats, and Wey poder mixed together, just for a little something to be working, while I'm moving the iron. Then after working out, have a Wey drink, finish the BCAA's, and a bit later, a good meal,....

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Wamsutta,..Hows your trial coming?

Hort?

No creatine will make you get huge or double your bench press in a month. It's not a miracle pill, nothing is.

The thing with the Omega product, especially on training days,..is 8 caps, right before your workout, and that's it. Done. I take mine with my BCAA drink pre, then wait a short while, and have a small amount of Oats, and Wey poder mixed together, just for a little something to be working, while I'm moving the iron. Then after working out, have a Wey drink, finish the BCAA's, and a bit later, a good meal,....
Interesting approach. Why not have the oats+whey 1-1.5 hours before lifting, then the CEE/BCAA immediately preworkout? (In other words just flip those two "meals.") Just curious. :)

This was on sale before, something about having brown dots on the tubs??

Well seeming a few of you guys say it's good, I've just ordered 2 of them. Even with the $20 delivery it's still cheaper than one tub here in the UK :tucool:

No creatine will make you get huge or double your bench press in a month. It's not a miracle pill, nothing is.


Interesting approach. Why not have the oats+whey 1-1.5 hours before lifting, then the CEE/BCAA immediately preworkout? (In other words just flip those two "meals.") Just curious. :)
GTX,..
The reason I tend to do it this way is I'm usually very caught for time. Maybe I 'm off the mark on this, but I figured the Omega Cre-Ethyl Thunder is recomended to be taken on an empty stomach, so minutes bore, say 20-40, I will take that along with some of the BCAA drink as a pre workout sup. I continue with the BCAA during my workout, and then finish it afterwards. That I'm confident to be a good aproach. What might be off a bit is the oats and wey.

I mix up a small amount, say 1/8 -1/4 cup of oats, and a half scoop or so of wey powder, with a little water, and have that just before starting my workout. I do a little stretching, and then 10 minutes on the treadmill, at a pretty good clip to get a little sweat going, and by then evrything should be working.

Post workout, I have a wey drink, then finish the rest of my BCAA drink, while I do another 20 minutes on the treadmill.

If I was using a different type of creatine, I would take that right after lifting along with the wey,( I know some don't like to mix these ), and finish the BCAA's during cardio.

Thoughts? I'm always trying to learn,...

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I'd say if you are eating 20 minutes after taking it- you might be getting inthe way of the CE- just an educated guess.

GTX,..
The reason I tend to do it this way is I'm usually very caught for time. Maybe I 'm off the mark on this, but I figured the Omega Cre-Ethyl Thunder is recomended to be taken on an empty stomach, so minutes bore, say 20-40, I will take that along with some of the BCAA drink as a pre workout sup. I continue with the BCAA during my workout, and then finish it afterwards. That I'm confident to be a good aproach. What might be off a bit is the oats and wey.

I mix up a small amount, say 1/8 -1/4 cup of oats, and a half scoop or so of wey powder, with a little water, and have that just before starting my workout. I do a little stretching, and then 10 minutes on the treadmill, at a pretty good clip to get a little sweat going, and by then evrything should be working.

Post workout, I have a wey drink, then finish the rest of my BCAA drink, while I do another 20 minutes on the treadmill.

If I was using a different type of creatine, I would take that right after lifting along with the wey,( I know some don't like to mix these ), and finish the BCAA's during cardio.

Thoughts? I'm always trying to learn,...

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I'm no expert either but this makes more sense to me: 1-1.5 hours preworkout have your whey+oats, 10 minutes preworkout have CEE+BCAA.

Thanks guys,...This is the kind of info I am glad to hear from the guys that have been doing this way longer than I,...

It's a hard question to answer I guess, but I have been worried about lifting, in an almost fasted state, if I don't get even a little something in my stomach before my workout. I might be three hours or better without food most of the time when I get to lift. I don't think three hours is considered "fasted", and I have gone without eating shortly before, without any ill effects as far as I can tell.

I have only been doing the BCAA's for a short while now, but that seems to have made a big difference in my recovery. I was doing two days lifting, one day off, two days lifting, two days off, and it was killing me after the second day. That first day after was a killer. I felt beat all day long. I haven't had that now that I use the BCAA's,..I don'ty think it's all in my head either, as the way I would feel, was unmistakable,...

As far as the oats getting in the way of the creatine. I have been worried about that as well, not only figuring it could effect the uptake myself, but I have run acorss a number of others with the same concerns. Not only food, but taking other supliments at the same time as their creatine. I have found a definate two schools of thought about that,..Some just toss everything in their post workout drink, others separate, even if it's only by a few minutes,...What do you all think,...

Creatine alone?, or would the Wey hinder uptake enough to worry about it? I don't think the BCAA's would,..Thoughts?

Thanks a lot guys,...

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If I end up liking this stuff I'll buy your bottle from you

Let me know. It is just sitting on my pantry shelf. It is a completly full bottle minus the 8 capsules I took.

Here's my latest entry from my Thunder log.

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I augmented the dosage tonight before my chest workout with a sugar-free Red Bull and was Had a great workout. By the end of tri's/ end of the workout, I looked and felt like I had two bricks strapped to the back's of my arms. Seriously swole... Picked up a couple of "Man- you're coming along nicely comments". My arms felt seriously chunky tonight. Hammer curls especially were dense and tight with each squeeze really screaming. Even my forearms were pumped decently.

So having used only this and Cell Mass- I can't complain. Seems to be doing what it's supposed too. And definitely better than without any supplementation.
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I'd add that my chest was decently thick as well.

Here's my latest entry from my Thunder log.

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I augmented the dosage tonight before my chest workout with a sugar-free Red Bull and was Had a great workout. By the end of tri's/ end of the workout, I looked and felt like I had two bricks strapped to the back's of my arms. Seriously swole... Picked up a couple of "Man- you're coming along nicely comments". My arms felt seriously chunky tonight. Hammer curls especially were dense and tight with each squeeze really screaming. Even my forearms were pumped decently.

So having used only this and Cell Mass- I can't complain. Seems to be doing what it's supposed too. And definitely better than without any supplementation.
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I'd add that my chest was decently thick as well.


Hort,..

OH MAN!!! Sugar free Red Bull,...Ha!,.I had the exact same experience, only at the time, it was just the Red Bull,..I think the timing was just right or something, as that was one of the best workouts I have ever had,...

You might try it again, as when I did the results weren't the same,..I think the Moon was just right or something that day,..;)

I would guess the Red Bull and the Thunder was quite a jolt to your system. The Red Bull has caffeine in it doesn't it? I'm just not sure how much. I bet it's a good plenty though.

Today is biceps for me,..Should be a good workout. Nothing egts pumped like biceps!!!


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I tried it for the first time yesterday.. my chest is still a little pumped from that workout. Did my arm workout today but I think I took the pills too soon after eating cuz they didnt work as well as yesterday.
Tommorow I'll wait an hour and a half (I'm going to the gym before work this week) from when I down my morning oats and protein shake before I pop the pills and goto the gym.. see if that helps..

ps
yesterday when I would put away my weights my calfs even started to get a pump.. ahh