I read in Men's Health Mag that some drink coffee prior to a workout. I know its a diuretic but if coupled with plenty of water (to stop de-hydration) is there any merit in this?

Has anyone tried it? I think the idea is that the caffiene gives you a temporary energy boost to increase performance.

Not tried it myself but its an interesting thought.

Hi there,

I have been drinking a cup of coffee (my only one of the day) before my workout for some months now and find that it gives me a little extra energy for my workouts.

Really what it was for me though is the fact that I love coffee but wanted to limit myself to one cup per day (cos of creatine supps) so I decided to have it pre-workout for the possible energy benefit.

I drink 3 - 6 litres of water a day and always drink water during my workouts so there is not much chance of dehydration.

limit myself to one cup per day (cos of creatine supps)


what's the connection here, Preach?

I have about 24oz of coffee w/ 2 oz of 2% milk after I drink my PWO shake. I'm usually driving to work drinking coffee. I work out as soon as I wake up and the thought of waiting for my coffee to brew would impead on the time spent at the gym.

I like my coffee, but I like my muscles better.:D

Hey there,

http://www.rugbycoach.com/nutrition/creatine.htm (near the bottom of the page)

http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/news/coff_creat.htm

http://www.travelsmart.net/article/101405/?PHPSESSID=b47e343541aa1223717ead8ab9f68eff (once again near the bottom of the page)

These are just a couple of the search results you will get when you google "creatine and coffee".

I do take what I read on the internet with a pinch of salt so I'm not very worried about it... I dont mind only having one cup a day and some days I do have more (mainly on the weekends).

But I made the decision to try creatine and if there is any validity to the research then I dont want to be the one to minimize its effects.

Please don't ask me to provide volumes of substantiating evidence.

"Caffeine ingestion taken in doses of 3 to 9 mg/kg has been shown in many studies to cause an increased flow of free fatty acids, spare glycogen, and increase performance. Caffeine use during exercise may stimulate oxygen uptake. The typical dose of caffeine used for an ergogenic effect is 5 mg/kg of bodyweight or about 350 mg of caffeine for a 154 lb athlete at least one hour before exercise. Some athletes experience gastrointestinal upset with high doses of caffeine and opt for less.
Endurance athletes have used caffeine recently as a means of preventing fatigue at the end of an endurance event.51 In one study by Cox on trained cyclists the benefit of 1.5 mg/kg of caffeine taken toward the end of an event was as potent as 6 mg/kg of caffeine taken prior. For those exercising for very long periods or performing ultra marathons, be sure to track total caffeine intake. A caffeine level over 11 mg/kg may cause a positive drug test for caffeine"

OK..Just a bit more. I had to actually read this a second time to note that it is not in defence of "coffee." I do think that the article may shed some additional light though. This may also help to understand the high caffeine amounts found in Pre W/O supplements. :D

Caffeine is so prevalent in modern society that its role as an ergogenic (performance enhancing) substance is sometimes overlooked. This article will look at how effective caffeine is as a sports supplement, how it affects the body and the ethical issues surrounding it’s continued use within the sports community. It has recently been removed from the World Anti-Doping Agency’s (WADA) list of banned substances and is only considered a controlled substance by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and the International Cycling Union (ICU). However, WADA is considering revising it’s decision after George Gregan, Australian Rugby Union Captain, admitted using caffeine before games and gaining a reported 7% performance increase. As we’ll see later, many factors mean that the limit for caffeine ingestion may not prevent athletes using it or gaining significant benefits from it in competition and training.

Caffeine can be found all around us, in products ranging from beverages to over-the-counter medications. It may well be the most widely used stimulant in the world today. So what exactly is it? The U.S National Library of Medicine lists it as a Central Nervous System stimulant that is also used in analgesics and respiratory system stimulants. It is part of a group called methylxanthines, drugs often used for respiratory illness due to their vasodilating effects.

However, caffeine is neither a typical nutrient nor is it essential for health; we can all survive without it! It is in fact a socially acceptable, legal drug consumed by all groups in society. So if it is non-essential for life, not produced naturally in the body and used globally for it’s stimulant properties, why is it still treated so liberally by sporting bodies?

The answer to this may still be unclear at the end of this article, but hopefully it will shed some light on what exactly caffeine does and why and whether or not it works. It is important at this point that we remember we are considering caffeine in it’s role as a performance enhancing supplement rather than it’s role in cold medications or the everyday diet, although you could argue it functions as an ergogenic aid for many there as well.

How does it actually work?

The exact reason why caffeine is such a powerful ergogenic is difficult to pinpoint and is more likely due to several different interactions on the neural and metabolic pathways in the body. Costill et al originally attributed performance increases to a “glycogen sparing” effect, largely due to the increase in fatty acid metabolism that was observed with a general dose of caffeine (330mg). Later studies have investigated caffeine supplementation on a body weight basis, typically using between 3mg and 9mg per kg of body weight. Interestingly, a 70kg person would have to ingest around 9mg per kg of body weight to be over the IOC legal limit. Many studies have shown clear effects on performance at levels beneath this.

For this reason, caffeine was originally thought of as an ergogenic aid specific to endurance-based events, though recent studies have highlighted that it is not exclusive to this sort of event and can benefit shorter duration activities by reducing perceived exertion, lowering the pain response and increasing mean power output. These effects were seen in studies where the short duration of activity ruled out glycogen sparing as the method of performance increase. It is likely that the role of caffeine in adenosine receptor antagonism may be key in it’s role as an ergogenic aid. You are probably already familiar with Adenosine as a component of ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate). Without the phosphate, Adenosine itself functions as a neurotransmitter and has been revealed as a key messenger related to sleep; it plays an important part in regulating blood flow and inhibits the release of excitatory neurotransmitters such as Dopamine. Caffeine works directly on the receptors for Adenosine, blocking their action on the body. This is certainly likely to play a key part in caffeine’s ergogenic function, and it is now clear that glycogen sparing is not the sole (and may not be at all) mechanism by which caffeine can increase performance.

Isn’t it a diuretic?

A lot of the discussion surrounding caffeine is about the potentially deleterious effects on the body’s hydration levels. Caffeine and methlyxanthines are listed as having a diuretic effect, and caffeine itself is a potent diuretic. However, whether or not this also applies during exercise is unclear, with studies by Graham et al and Grandjean et al contradicting this. There does not appear to be any basis for the common concern that caffeine will dehydrate your athletes. These findings agree with studies by Falk and Wemple, neither of whom reported increased diuresis as a result of caffeine intake.

We should also remember that this is talking about caffeine - not coffee! When the two have been compared, it was found that the ergogenic effect of caffeine was largely lost when taken in as coffee. Therefore, we cannot extrapolate the ergogenic effects of caffeine to coffee as it would appear that the many thousands of compounds within coffee serve to negate this effect.

Perhaps one of the most insightful things to take from the study by Grandjean et al was the overall levels of dehydration across all subjects. Subjects in the study consumed an average of 1745mL, but 78% of them suffered a loss in body weight through dehydration. Taking this finding in the context of the relationship between fluid and disease* in the body, we might be well advised to promote more fluid intake in general for our athletes and our clients!

Of course, there are other side effects besides the purported diuretic effects. Caffeine can produce restlessness, headaches, insomnia, irritability, muscle twitching and arrythmias. These effects vary tremendously among individuals and are important to consider in a sports context where they might well contribute to an increase in anxiety prior to or during competition.

* Michaud and colleagues conducted a prospective study over 10 years and with 47,909 participants to examine the relationship between fluid intake and disease. They determined that participants consuming over 2391mL per day had a 49% lower incidence of bladder cancer than those consuming under 1398mL.

Ethical Concerns

Depending on your point of view, this is where things are a little less clear. It is well documented that benefits, often significant, can be gained from taking a caffeine supplement. It is also clear that these benefits are very evident at levels below doping regulations. However, the widespread use of caffeine in society makes the classification of it complex. Most of us would agree that taking a pure substance with no purpose other than to gain an advantage over competitors would be unethical. There may also be a deeper issue here, that acceptance of one performance-enhancing substance may lead to further abuse of banned substances. Does advocating caffeine use serve to facilitate the path to more dangerous substances? By not making caffeine a banned substance in competition, is the practice of “doping” in sport being condoned? Gregan’s comment’s sparked a debate into this, with several prominent figures showing their concern about the message that advocating substance use in sport can convey. Should a sports star who is a hero to many junior athletes promote using substances to increase performance? Or should he be commended for his honesty in highlighting its use? The effect of this is yet to be known and is surely difficult to determine, but surveys tell us that the desire to win in an athlete is powerful. Weinberg and Gould cite studies where 98% of athletes asked said they would take a performance-enhancing substance if they would win and not get caught. In another survey, the Canadian Centre for Drug Free Sport found that 27% of youths between 11-18 years old had used a caffeine-containing substance for the specific intent of enhancing performance. Are these youngsters therefore at higher risk of being exposed to more dangerous and damaging substances as a result of sports lenience on caffeine?

Conclusion

So the evidence for caffeine is clear: It is a proven and potent ergogenic substance, yet the exact reasons for this still remain somewhat equivocal. It would seem that caffeine exerts its effects through several different mediums, both peripherally and centrally on nerves and metabolism.

Though initially regarded as an aid to performance in endurance, recent studies have demonstrated an effect across a variety of performance protocols, including short burst activities. This in part appears due to a reduced perception of pain. This review only considered studies where full texts were available to try to provide a clear and accurate reflection of research.

Though it appears on several controlled substance lists, caffeine has been shown repeatedly to have powerful effects at levels well below the legal limit. And in 2002, Conway et al highlighted that urinary doping tests may not accurately reflect the dose or plasma levels of caffeine, as much can be dependant on individual sensitivity and the time and type of caffeine dose.

Concerns over dehydration during exercise may be unfounded as it seems that the effects of caffeine on a person at rest are not reflected during exercise. Blood pressure, for example, will be elevated at rest after caffeine, but this trend is not reflected during exercise.

So as an ergogenic aid, the research shows caffeine to be effective. It is relatively safe to use at levels that improve performance. It’s cheap, readily available and tolerated by most sport governing bodies. However, it is not without drawbacks, such as the long-term effects of supplementation, ethical issues and the need for increasing dosage as subjects become more tolerant. These issues, combined with individual sensitivity and side effects such as palpitations, nausea, dizziness, insomnia and tremors, continue to keep the debate controversial over caffeine’s role as an ergogenic aid.

Interesting stuff. Also interesting that the effects seem to be negated when it was ingested as coffee...

May go and get some caffeine supplements and give them a try. Every little helps...

It's a myth that caffeine is a significant diuretic insofar as it affects athletes, including endurance athletes, who obviously need to stay heavily hydrated.

Caffeine is now a fairly regular additive in gels, which are basically de-liquified gatorade (they come in tiny packets and are used all the time during marathons and Ironmans and what-not). Some recent studies have shown that the amount urinated out when one is on high vs low caffeine are not significantly different. Caffeine has been shown to make a person feel like they are putting out less effort at the same work-level, so it decreases perception of effort and can increase performance.

Prior to an endurance event, many people will take a few mg per kilo of their weight, which is a significant amount.

This was actually discussed at length about a year ago on this forum- I don't think I'll dig it up, for lack of time, but the gist of the studies used the equivalent amount of caffeine found in approx. 4 cups of coffee. And the effects were minimal.

As a personal side note, when I used creatine, I still drank tons of coffee. It didn't effect my health (that I know of), but who knows if it wasn't providing any benefit either. My coffee is far more important to me than a supplement.


Hey there,

http://www.rugbycoach.com/nutrition/creatine.htm (near the bottom of the page)

http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/news/coff_creat.htm

http://www.travelsmart.net/article/101405/?PHPSESSID=b47e343541aa1223717ead8ab9f68eff (once again near the bottom of the page)

These are just a couple of the search results you will get when you google "creatine and coffee".

I do take what I read on the internet with a pinch of salt so I'm not very worried about it... I dont mind only having one cup a day and some days I do have more (mainly on the weekends).

But I made the decision to try creatine and if there is any validity to the research then I dont want to be the one to minimize its effects.