I'm looking to use an ECA stack to burn the last bit of fat I need to get into single digit bf%. I have a little more to lose around the abdomen, lower back and love handle region. My question is: Does anyone feel depressed when they use Ephedra? Not sure if it's the ephedra but when I was using the ephreda based Ripped Fuel a while back, I felt constantly depressed.

Right now I'm using a green tea extract/caffeine stack that has brought me to the edge of my goal. Need that last push.

If you are 10% now I think you can hit 9% without the ECA personally, but of course the choice is yours. :)

I did not feel depressed on ECA. In fact my favorite brand-name stack was the original Ripped Fuel you're talking about, because the serving size was 2 capsules (20mg total, 10mg per capsule). I used to use only 1 capsule and I always felt good on it.

Hopefully others will chime in... :)

I used Ripped Fuel (and several others) back when E was in the mix, and if anything, I was the complete opposite of depressed. I wish Ripped Fuel was made the same now as it was a couple years back, it's just not the same w/o it.

If you are 10% now I think you can hit 9% without the ECA personally, but of course the choice is yours. :)

I did not feel depressed on ECA. In fact my favorite brand-name stack was the original Ripped Fuel you're talking about, because the serving size was 2 capsules (20mg total, 10mg per capsule). I used to use only 1 capsule and I always felt good on it.

Hopefully others will chime in... :)


Maybe I can get to 9% without using anything else and my goal is approx. 8% by June 20th which is my birthday (just over 6 weeks). I'm planning a beach/surf party (I live in Hawaii) on that weekend to celebrate, lol. I'd say I'm at 10 or 11% (more like 10%) right now and want to be SURE I get somewhat close to 8% if not less by that time. I don't want to take any chances. I have a 6 pack now, but it's blurry. I'm willing to go to moderate extremes to get there. I realize that cleaning up and being strict as hell on my diet will do the trick, but I've already cut out partying, except on the weekends, lol (don't drill me on it, some things will not change - such as FUN, WOMEN and FUN WITH WOMEN). I've also eliminated starch from my diet as well. My primary source of carbs come only from fruits and vegetables with rice here and there to support sustained excercise such as surfing for 2 hours. So yeah, I'm looking for "cheaters" way out. Any other supplement suggestions are welcome. I did order Lipo 6 because I've heard good things about it but I'll dump it if ECA works better and won't get me depressed.

First, I too feel the complete opposite of depressed while on an ECA stack. I feel great!!

Second, my birthday is also June 20th! Sweet!

Third, what the heck is it like to live in Hawaii?! Awesome man! Enjoy your party!!

I did order Lipo 6 because I've heard good things about it but I'll dump it if ECA works better and won't get me depressed.

I've taken Lipo 6 alone and am now taking Lipo 6 + Ephedrine + Asprin. The latter combo seems to be MUCH more effective. Neither the straight Lipo 6 or Stack made me depressed or irritable. Frankly, didn't feel much of anything from the Lipo 6 alone. Feel like I'm sucking pure oxygen with the Stack.

Low carbs makes me irritable. Low carbs makes me depressed as a motherf**ker.

M@

PS: Good to see ya again GraceGirl!

Low carbs makes me irritable.

Low carbs is like withdrawing from cigarettes.

Low carbs is like withdrawing from cigarettes.

The hair-trigger temper, absolutely, but none of the other nicotene withdrawal effects.

The mind-deadening, sit-in-a-dark-room-and-listen-to-The-Cure depression is unique in my experience.

M@

Right now I'm using a green tea extract/caffeine stack that has brought me to the edge of my goal. Need that last push.

Whats the correct mix for this stack? I bought standardized green tea extract 150mg/cap, and 200mg caffeine pills (No Doz) How many times per day?

I also have some Lipo 6 that I never finished because I didnt feel it was doing anything by itself. Is it worthwile to stack that with the tea and caffeine?

Thanks

Whats the correct mix for this stack? I bought standardized green tea extract 150mg/cap, and 200mg caffeine pills (No Doz) How many times per day?

I also have some Lipo 6 that I never finished because I didnt feel it was doing anything by itself. Is it worthwile to stack that with the tea and caffeine?

Thanks

Lipo 6, green tea extract and caffeine huh? Sounds good to me. Wish I'd ask about Lipo 6 before I bought it though. I take the green tea (one pill) and caffeine 200 mg. upon waking and in the afternoon I only take the caffeine for the alertness and energy boost. Works good for me, but I'm looking to really get that stubborn fat to exit my body. What about Lipo 6, green tea extract, ephedra and caffeine? Would that = death?

First, I too feel the complete opposite of depressed while on an ECA stack. I feel great!!

Second, my birthday is also June 20th! Sweet!

Third, what the heck is it like to live in Hawaii?! Awesome man! Enjoy your party!!


I think I'll purchase the E just to see if it helps and dump it if it makes me depressed. June 20th too huh? Maybe they swapped us out and you have my parents, no? Anyway, Hawaii is well... Hawaii!! Lot's of beaches and people who wear very little clothing all year around. So, gotta get to 8% soon.

Lipo 6, green tea extract and caffeine huh? Sounds good to me. Wish I'd ask about Lipo 6 before I bought it though.

Tell me about it. I had three bottles and was taking six pills a day without noticing so much as a flared nostril.

I did feel the caffiene effect from it, though, so that's the second reason i kept it in my stack (first reason -- three f'ing bottles :P). I didn't know if the ephedrine was gonna pop me or not so I only ordered two weeks ($10) worth. It's pretty sweet, though, and doesn't have any side effects I'm uncomfortable with so I'll be ordering more soon.

Can't speak to keeping the green tea extract in the stack, never tried it. I was under the impression, though, that sustained vigorous physical activity was inadvisable while using ephedrine. Nothing to back that up but I thought that people dropping dead from long workouts on ephedra was what caused it to be yanked as a fatburner. May want to make sure your system's clear of it before those 2+ hour surfing sessions.

PS: I envy you your geographic location. :p

M@

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When I am on EC (I skip the Aspirin) I am more irritable, but not depressed by any means. I feel at least 2x as good after my workouts when using the stack as well.

I also alternate yohimbe/caff. with the EC stack when I am using it during a cut. Just like anything though the effectiveness of it wears off after a period of time so you cant use it constantly expecting the same effect.

I feel that the stacks do two things for me:

1. Provide maybe 10% greater fat loss...not a ton, but at times every bit helps

2. Most importantly they give me the boost to crunch out a workout that is several times more intense than normal and I think that is where the real benefit comes in.

Hi,
I'm currently using the R.I.P.P.E.D. System and really haven't read anything positive about it, but GNC has the 30 day return policy :) . My current goal is 12% short term, then down to 10%. But I don't want to lose muscle mass in the process. I've been using the Abs Diet meal plans online, and this has helped me drop from a high of 18% down to 13.2% as of today. I too want to lose that stubborn fat that is distributed between the ab muscles, waist area, lower back.

I'm moving to Hickam, Hawaii the first week of October and really looking forward to it. I'm glad to see some other JSF members that live there. Who knows, maybe we can have a JSF get together someday!

my goal is approx. 8% by June 20th which is my birthday

Second, my birthday is also June 20th! Sweet!

You guys need to quit stealing my birthday! :D

I'm willing to go to moderate extremes to get there. 7 hours cardio/week combining some running with ellipitcal or bike or swimming, continued heavy lifting, and reasonably restricted calories will do it for you. I'm doing that now and shedding fat like crazy on such an approach. My bf is about 9% now, which is the lowest it's been in years. I've incurred only subtle strength losses. I feel very healthy, since I'm allowed to eat a good bit of calories with this approach.

7 hours cardio/week combining some running with ellipitcal or bike or swimming, continued heavy lifting, and reasonably restricted calories will do it for you. I'm doing that now and shedding fat like crazy on such an approach. My bf is about 9% now, which is the lowest it's been in years. I've incurred only subtle strength losses. I feel very healthy, since I'm allowed to eat a good bit of calories with this approach.


ok, let me put it to you this way. I'm willing to go to moderate extremes supplementally (not a word?), not physically. I'm looking for that "cheatsheet" that'll put me over the top. 7 hours of cardio and some running? I want to rid my bf, not morph into Gilligan - if I do what you suggest, I'll burn off my bf and skin tissue as well and'll have to change my username to "beanpole". Dude, I don't have a long way to go - I just want to make sure I get there by June 20 which seems to be everyone's birthday. Thanks for your input though, I'll keep it in mind if the days get close and I'm not.

Tell me about it. I had three bottles and was taking six pills a day without noticing so much as a flared nostril.
M@

Lol, don't say that! Why the heck did that thing win "product of the year" on the bb.com site then? Bummer, I want my money back.

I know some fat loss supps put mood elevators in the pills to counter the downer you get from what ever it is they use.

So, it is entirely possible. But most of that is in your head. Try making a conscious effort to feel better and your natural mood elevators will kick in.

My question is: Does anyone feel depressed when they use Ephedra?

Ok, it's not quite the same question, but I've used high doses of epehdrine HCl and never once had depression or any unpleasant side-effects. If anything, my mood is improved, because of the enjoyment of feeling more lively.

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The Bronkaid will be illegal soon in the US so hurry and stock up.

awesome, so there ARE other hawaii people :D. where you live, oahu? i'm on the big island.

i've used ephedra before and what i've noticed is that i feel fine while i'm on it but as it starts to wear off, i start feeling really tired. so for me it wasn't so much depressed as tired.

That Bronkaid treats asthma, it is a mild steroid. I DO NOT suggest you go anywhere near that crap.

It will be illegal for a reason.

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ok, let me put it to you this way. I'm willing to go to moderate extremes supplementally (not a word?), not physically. I'm looking for that "cheatsheet" that'll put me over the top. 7 hours of cardio and some running? I want to rid my bf, not morph into Gilligan - if I do what you suggest, I'll burn off my bf and skin tissue as well and'll have to change my username to "beanpole". Dude, I don't have a long way to go - I just want to make sure I get there by June 20 which seems to be everyone's birthday. Thanks for your input though, I'll keep it in mind if the days get close and I'm not.If you're going to come here looking for advice, don't on the other hand claim to know exactly what will happen if you start doing significant cardio. The catabolic effects of cardio are overblown and used by many to excuse indolence. I don't think Gilligan was benching 150% of his bodyweight, was he?

I don't think Gilligan was benching 150% of his bodyweight, was he?

Maybe he was. At 100 lbs. benching 150 isn't so far fetched.

BTW, I initially posted this on May 4th. It's May 26th today and I'm at my target bf% or very, very close. 8% by June 20 will be no problem. Thanks for the responses folks. FYI... I just stuck to the green tea extract and caffeine stack.

BTW, I initially posted this on May 4th. It's May 26th today and I'm at my target bf% or very, very close. 8% by June 20 will be no problem. Thanks for the responses folks. FYI... I just stuck to the green tea extract and caffeine stack.

CLA is getting some good reviews when combined with greeen tea extract. I haven't tried it yet but plan to.

If you're going to come here looking for advice, don't on the other hand claim to know exactly what will happen if you start doing significant cardio. The catabolic effects of cardio are overblown and used by many to excuse indolence. I don't think Gilligan was benching 150% of his bodyweight, was he?
Am I one of the lazy ones? :cry:

CLA is getting some good reviews when combined with greeen tea extract. I haven't tried it yet but plan to.


Boy... where? I've had zero luck with CLA with GT or anything else... and see more and more saying CLA in general isn't worth it.

John Berardi has been testing it on his clients and so have a few other professionals with promising results.

This is the product abs+ - it contains green tea catechins, not sure if there's much difference in the extract or not.

http://www.genuinehealth.com/english/pbn/index.php?id=2&section=20

JB wants to fine a safer alternative and he doesn't like stimulants and neither do i.

Am I one of the lazy ones? :cry:I doubt it, but I know some people are!BTW, I initially posted this on May 4th. It's May 26th today and I'm at my target bf% or very, very close. 8% by June 20 will be no problem.Great! There are always multiple ways to skin a cat.

That Bronkaid treats asthma, it is a mild steroid. I DO NOT suggest you go anywhere near that crap.

It will be illegal for a reason.

What info do you have to support these claims ?

What info do you have to support these claims ?


ephedrine is not a steroid, though it is used to treat asthma. probably a bit of confusion since most meds for asthma are corticosteroids

I'm surpised that no one else felt depressed after taking the ECA stack for the first time.

My friend tried it and gave up after the first day because it was so severe. I also felt the effects of depression when taking it in the begining but then very soon you get the expect opposite feeling, like you're on a high.

I've been using the ECA stack off and on for 8 months now and I love it! I order my caffeine and ephedine from the bodybuilding website and its a lot cheaper than buying bronkaid.

When I'm on (p)ECA I'm fine until the dose wears off. The physical/mental lows between doses can be pretty low. Not depression, just very tired and "blurry" at times. But no denying it wipes the fat away.

Am I one of the lazy ones? :cry:

:nod:

I no longer support the sentiments I expressed earlier in this thread. I don't believe my depressions were caused by low-carbs, rather I believe the ECA stack is responsible. It's not the stack itself. It's the withdrawal from it. As long as I'm taking it at the proper intervals, everything's fine. If I'm late, I start to get cranky. If I miss a couple of doses things really go downhill fast.

I believe in the energizing and lipolytic effects of ephedra/ephedrine HCL and feel the stack has increased my fat loss by around 10-15%. A worthwhile and noticeable amount.

Ephedrine HCL is the Drug Name for Ephedra. The FDA has prohibited Ephedra from being sold as a fat-loss supplement. It continues to endorse Ephedrine HCL as an effective OTC asthma treatment/bronchiodialator.

So how do you all come off of using the stack when your ready to stop,..?? I would guess after a long while of using it, it would be quite a shock to stop,...

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I have decided to try caffeine supplements (200mg) with my fish oil tabs. I must say, I was absolutely buzzing during my workout this morning, easily the best session I have ever had. No noticeable side effects either.

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:cry:

So how do you all come off of using the stack when your ready to stop,..?? I would guess after a long while of using it, it would be quite a shock to stop,...

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I just stopped. Plain and simple. :nod:

Of course, I stopped taking it in general. It doesn't feel natural to take it. I could just tell my body and mind felt different and I didn't particularly like it.

Caffeine is one thing. I think its great for pre workout and it really isn't anything different than having your cup of morning coffee. Caffeine doesn't give a weird chemical feeling where as I found E to give this type of feeling.

Caffeine seems to have worked very well and no visible downer at the moment. I don't usually drink tea or coffee so it porbably had a more potent effect than it would for people who have already built up resistance to it.

its a good idea to taper off of caffeine otherwise you can get nasty headaches