Two months and no scale loss in weight. One week off diet cokes and I'm finally losing scale weight. Coincidence or not?

Down to 246.8 from 250.4 this week.

Two months and no scale loss in weight. One week off diet cokes and I'm finally losing scale weight. Coincidence or not?

Down to 246.8 from 250.4 this week. What are you drinking in place of it ?
I doubt very much that it would have inhibited fat loss but it could quite possibly make you retain water.

What are you drinking in place of it ?
I doubt very much that it would have inhibited fat loss but it could quite possibly make you retain water.

Water is all I drink now, but I was drinking a lot of water anyway.

Someone on here pointed to some articles on the Net about Diet Coke being evil, so I stopped drinking my 4-6 a day and now I'm losing.

Go figure.

PS

I'm very sensitive to chemicals in my food.

Yes Diet Coke is indeed EVIL
thats why i drink the real thing!
no pancy smancy suger free drinks
for me.

:)

Shahar.

Heretic. Diet Coke and all diet drinks RULE!:neener:

Seriously though, your weight drop could be from a drop in water weight due to increased water consumption, or it could be a zillion other things. IMHO, the hardest part about fat loss/muscle gain is that it is very difficult to have a "controlled" environment to quickly tell what works and what doesn't, beyond questions like "Is a Double Cheeseburger bad for me?":)

As a related note, I recently made it a point to drink at least a gallon of water a day and wow...it has really made a difference in the way I look. Didn't realize I was retaining that much water. I'm not trying to sell water intake as a "magic bullet", but it might be something to try for those who have never made a point about water intake before.

Aspartame in diet coke allegedly affects the hunger centres of the brain. Have you noticed any difference in the amount you've been eating?

Yes Diet Coke is indeed EVIL
thats why i drink the real thing!
no pancy smancy suger free drinks
for me.

:)

Shahar.


... and you somehow think that this is better? What do you think standard coke is made from? Sugar (processed and chemicalized in its own right) and other chemicals.

Sounds like you're damned anyways, with 41g of sugar to boot.

Hell, I drink diet everything, I buy 12 packs of diet root beer and 3 days later it's gone. It hasn't, in one way, stopped/hindered my fat loss. I think diet sodas are a godsend, those saved me from cheating so many times.

I know that diet sodas are zero calories and calories theory has to work due to the laws of thermodynamics, but when I look around, I see a lot of fat people drinking diet soda.

I used to drink diet sodas a lot. Coke Zero was my favorite. I finally stopped drinking them and I think it's helped me a lot in maintenence. I know that diet sodas shouldn't matter with weight loss or weight gain, but I'm just relaying my experience.

I have 3 ways of looking at it.

1. With diet sodas, I'm injesting SOMETHING. My body has to react to that something. Diet soda is completely useless to my body. If I don't drink it, it's not a bad thing.

2. Lots of overweight people drink diet sodas. So, why act like an overweight people? I think drink diet sodas sends a subconsciouss message to my brain that says, "well, you're not being super healthy right now, why not eat some more junk." If I drink some green tea, I'm acting like a healthy person, and that continues into my food choices. (I know that you can say that overweight people also breathe air, so I should quit that too, but let's be reasonable.)

3. Your body is a machine. If you give it healthy stuff, clean foods, it'll run better. If you throw other stuff at it, your body has to deal with that other stuff, which MIGHT make the machine not work as well. That's the theory behind "Eating Clean." Hell, you could get the same macros going to McDonald's, but we all know that it's not the same. So when in doubt, everyone here says to eat clean. Are diet sodas clean? Definetly not. Maybe they're not that bad, but no one would actually say that they're helping you.

Honestly, I'm not trying to convince anyone to give up diet sodas. I'm just saying that if it helped you (like it helped me), I say stick with it. I don't think it's hurting you and it seems like it might be helping you. Don't get attatched to dogmas. Try things on your own. Experiment a little. See what works for you. Because not everything works the same for every person.

I know that diet sodas are zero calories and calories theory has to work due to the laws of thermodynamics, but when I look around, I see a lot of fat people drinking diet soda.

I used to drink diet sodas a lot. Coke Zero was my favorite. I finally stopped drinking them and I think it's helped me a lot in maintenence. I know that diet sodas shouldn't matter with weight loss or weight gain, but I'm just relaying my experience.

I have 3 ways of looking at it.

1. With diet sodas, I'm injesting SOMETHING. My body has to react to that something. Diet soda is completely useless to my body. If I don't drink it, it's not a bad thing.

2. Lots of overweight people drink diet sodas. So, why act like an overweight people? I think drink diet sodas sends a subconsciouss message to my brain that says, "well, you're not being super healthy right now, why not eat some more junk." If I drink some green tea, I'm acting like a healthy person, and that continues into my food choices. (I know that you can say that overweight people also breathe air, so I should quit that too, but let's be reasonable.)

3. Your body is a machine. If you give it healthy stuff, clean foods, it'll run better. If you throw other stuff at it, your body has to deal with that other stuff, which MIGHT make the machine not work as well. That's the theory behind "Eating Clean." Hell, you could get the same macros going to McDonald's, but we all know that it's not the same. So when in doubt, everyone here says to eat clean. Are diet sodas clean? Definetly not. Maybe they're not that bad, but no one would actually say that they're helping you.

Honestly, I'm not trying to convince anyone to give up diet sodas. I'm just saying that if it helped you (like it helped me), I say stick with it. I don't think it's hurting you and it seems like it might be helping you. Don't get attatched to dogmas. Try things on your own. Experiment a little. See what works for you. Because not everything works the same for every person.

Don't worry man, I'm not attached to any Dogmas, except those of the Catholic Church, but that is off-topic. :)

Anyway, as I said, I am in general very sensitive to chemicals in food. If I ate a snickers bar and a coke, I would quite possibly be physically sick in the bathroom an hour later.

All I know is that the scale would not move for two months and the one time I get rid of the diet soda, I'm losing. May be coincidence, but may not, and others on the Net have reported similiar experiences. Google it.

All I know is that the scale would not move for two months and the one time I get rid of the diet soda, I'm losing. May be coincidence, but may not, and others on the Net have reported similiar experiences. Google it.

Its doubtful its a coincidence :) and Im glad you stopped it and lost some weight as a result. Chuck that crap :tucool: You'll be happier and slimmer for it. Good luck :nod:

Two months and no scale loss in weight. One week off diet cokes and I'm finally losing scale weight. Coincidence or not?

Down to 246.8 from 250.4 this week.

Yes, me too. I accept is very helpfull for anxiety, but, recently I saw a research of diet coke and others cheating your body with insuline spikes and falses dopamine feedbacks. Same for aspartame.
If I find it at home computer I will post it.
Cheers.

I see a lot of fat people drinking diet soda.
That's because they just washed down a double cheeseburger o-rings and fries and somehow think there's something magical about diet soda helping them lose weight.

Aspartame has been known to create bloat and make some people hold water.

There's also some theory behind, artificial sweetners creating hunger because the brain was cheated from the impending insulin rush that never comes.

Another real bummer with long term aspartame use (I know there's some in the sugar free jello I use....oh well till I can come up with something better) is that it accumulates formaldehyde in the brain (http://home.howstuffworks.com/question536.htm) (low doses mind you but really, any formaldehyde buildup is bad). Formaldehyde is metabolized to formic acid which interferes with your mitochondria (you cells energy source), hence all the talk of chronic fatigue from aspartame. So really the less aspartame, the better. You don't have to squash it competely (it would be great if you could) but at least minimize it where possible.

Stevia is a very good substitute.

Water is all I drink now, but I was drinking a lot of water anyway.

Someone on here pointed to some articles on the Net about Diet Coke being evil, so I stopped drinking my 4-6 a day and now I'm losing.

Go figure.

PS

I'm very sensitive to chemicals in my food.


4 to 6 day , :spank:

.What do you think standard coke is made from? Sugar (processed and chemicalized in its own right) and other chemicals.
I dont know about Canada, but all the sodas in the US use High Fructose Corn Syrup (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2004/02/18/FDGS24VKMH1.DTL). ADM lobbys to keep the tariffs on sugar imports high enough (http://www.accidentalhedonist.com/index.php?cat=304) that HFCS is economicly the better choice.
Almost all nutritionists finger high fructose corn syrup consumption as a major culprit in the nation's obesity crisis. The inexpensive sweetener flooded the American food supply in the early 1980s, just about the time the nation's obesity rate started its unprecedented climb.
The body processes the fructose in high fructose corn syrup differently than it does old-fashioned cane or beet sugar, which in turn alters the way metabolic-regulating hormones function. It also forces the liver to kick more fat out into the bloodstream.
If you've ever had a Coke from Mexico or Europe it tastes WAY different.

There was some question about Gatorade on another thread, but I found this article (http://www.karinya.com/sportsdrinks.htm) that states:
Gatorade, unlike PowerAde, uses sucrose and glucose with glucose-fructose syrup. Sucrose is glucose plus fructose stuck together. Because the fructose in sucrose is bound up, it is much safer for your body. In fact, glucose is a normal body constituent and thus metabolized without problem. Energy production therefore, should be higher and more consistent.

And, unlike HFCS glucose does not shut down the liver- which is needed to cleanse the body and maintain it during and after heavy activity such as sports.

I agree that diet sodas are bad in many ways. Good job quitting them. :tucool:

I know that diet sodas are zero calories and calories theory has to work due to the laws of thermodynamics, but when I look around, I see a lot of fat people drinking diet soda.

You see a lot of people with big feet wearing big size shoes. Does that mean you think wearing big shoes causes big feet?

... and you somehow think that this is better? What do you think standard coke is made from? Sugar (processed and chemicalized in its own right) and other chemicals.

Sounds like you're damned anyways, with 41g of sugar to boot.

ever heard of sarcasam? :)

i do know its not exectly the most healthy beverage (to say the least) but i've decreased the amounts i drink considerably and try to combine it as my "energy" drink before workouts/cardio to make some usefull use of it.
would have been best without it i know
but i count it in my calories and doing fine with it.

Shahar.

I dont know about Canada, but all the sodas in the US use High Fructose Corn Syrup (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2004/02/18/FDGS24VKMH1.DTL).

Essentially none of the diet sodas in the US should use high fructose corn syrup, because high fructose corn syrup has a lot of calories.

I'm pretty sure there isn't any HFCS in Diet Coke.

ever heard of sarcasam? :)

i do know its not exectly the most healthy beverage (to say the least) but i've decreased the amounts i drink considerably and try to combine it as my "energy" drink before workouts/cardio to make some usefull use of it.
would have been best without it i know
but i count it in my calories and doing fine with it.

Shahar.

Emote it better next time. Sarcasm on the net doesn't usually work. :)



As for HFCS, the listed ingredients on a can of coke say "Liquid Sugar". I gave them the benefit of the doubt that it may not be HFCS, but I was pretty sure that it was.

That stuff is the devil.

Its all about moderation! Once in a while is ok...4-6 a day?! What were you thinking?

There are a few things that aren't fine even in moderation:

High Fructose Corn Syrup
Manufactured Trans Saturated Fats (yes, there are natural ones)
White Flour
Margarine


These are on the top of my list. However, I know not everyone agrees. I am a bit of a hardliner with these.

I noticed you said scale weight hasn't dropped? Have you been gaining a lot of LBM and losing fat or just holding steady for two months? Scale weight is a fickle thing that can jump up and down like a jackrabbit and really screw with you but if you're gone two months and haven't seen results it's possible you need to reevaluate what you're doing and maybe do a controled cut back of 100 calories a day until you start seeing some loss. It could just be water weight from the diet coke chemicals that you have released.

If you're staying at 250 and your body fat is dropping then ignore this! :)

Its all about moderation! Once in a while is ok...4-6 a day?! What were you thinking?

Addiction.

I noticed you said scale weight hasn't dropped? Have you been gaining a lot of LBM and losing fat or just holding steady for two months? Scale weight is a fickle thing that can jump up and down like a jackrabbit and really screw with you but if you're gone two months and haven't seen results it's possible you need to reevaluate what you're doing and maybe do a controled cut back of 100 calories a day until you start seeing some loss. It could just be water weight from the diet coke chemicals that you have released.

If you're staying at 250 and your body fat is dropping then ignore this! :)

I've gained a lot of muscle, but yes, I wasn't losing much fat.

i know that diet drinks and drinks with aspartame raise insulin levels which cause weight gain.... As diet coke contains aspartame it is quite possible you have high insulin levels...

i know that diet drinks and drinks with aspartame raise insulin levels which cause weight gain....

Well.... not really. The theory (read: not proven) is that it raises insulin levels which makes you hungry. Then you eat more. Then you get fat. However, even if your insulin levels are raised, if you dont eat then its not all that big a deal.

i know that diet drinks and drinks with aspartame raise insulin levels which cause weight gain....
Any evidence ?

I been pondering over this ?
if aspartame increases insulin why arnt people passing out ?
I have friends that grab a diet drink for breakfast 15 hours after their last meal. Insulin should drop their sugar levels. Is it just a case of it having only a small effect that can be compensated for by the liver ?

I have friends that grab a diet drink for breakfast 15 hours after their last meal.


Thats not good.