I know it seems to be common place in rap, but another great talent has been lost. RIP Proof. :blank:

I know it seems to be common place in rap, but another great talent has been lost. RIP Proof. :blank: I don't feel bad for a guy who was murdered shortly after he shot somebody else in the head. :nono:

You shoot somebody, somebody will probably shoot you back.

Isn't there another thread on this somewhere?

I don't feel bad for a guy who was murdered shortly after he shot somebody else in the head. :nono:

:lol: and I agree.

I know it seems to be common place in rap, but another great talent has been lost. RIP Proof. :blank:
Maybe I'm just behind the times, but I listen to mostly hip-hop and I would'nt have known Proof if he walked into my gym holding a sign that said "I am Proof!"

Didn't know too much about his history, but from what I've heard on a lot of Eminem & D12's stuff, he was a gifted artist. Probably one of the better lyricists of the group.

I don't feel bad for a guy who was murdered shortly after he shot somebody else in the head. :nono:

You shoot somebody, somebody will probably shoot you back.

Isn't there another thread on this somewhere?

Amen.

One more thug that didn't understand the meaning of the word?

$0.02

Probably one of the better lyricists of the group.

Now that's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. A rap "artist" that is a lyricist. :confused:

Although the gender is different and the circumstance is different:

"When Keeping it Real goes Wrong!"

http://www.goyk.com/video.asp?path=2333

Not all that safe for work. Profanity!

Now that's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. A rap "artist" that is a lyricist. :confused:
When I read this post here is what I read: "I don't listen to rap." So why make a post in this thread at all?

Maybe I'm just behind the times, but I listen to mostly hip-hop and I would'nt have known Proof if he walked into my gym holding a sign that said "I am Proof!"

When I read this post here is what I read: "I don't listen to rap." So why make a post in this thread at all?

Pot, kettle, black. :rolleyes:

When I read this post here is what I read: "I don't listen to rap." So why make a post in this thread at all?

Pot, kettle, black. :rolleyes::lol: Yeah, maybe Lemonsong should be more humble. :D

:p

-Mike

Maybe I'm just cold and callous, but here's my thoughts on it.

Sure, its a tragedy that this man was shot and killed. But, it happens every day. Why is it that we only seem to care when its someone with "fame"? I bet I could go to 5 or 6 news sites, and get stories about at least 10 other people that were shot and killed. And, with the exception of family and friends, no one really cares.....:confused::nope:

Maybe I'm just cold and callous, but here's my thoughts on it.

Sure, its a tragedy that this man was shot and killed. But, it happens every day. Why is it that we only seem to care when its someone with "fame"? I bet I could go to 5 or 6 news sites, and get stories about at least 10 other people that were shot and killed. And, with the exception of family and friends, no one really cares.....:confused::nope:

Yup. Its silly.

When I read this post here is what I read: "I don't listen to rap." So why make a post in this thread at all?

Pot, kettle, black. :rolleyes:
I didn't come to this thread to post a "rap sucks" type of post. I don't know Proof's music personally, but I do dig on hip-hop and I was interested in the thoughts of others. Thats not calling the kettle black, that is posting in a thread on a topic I'm interested in.

I didn't come to this thread to post a "rap sucks" type of post. I don't know Proof's music personally, but I do dig on hip-hop and I was interested in the thoughts of others. Thats not calling the kettle black, that is posting in a thread on a topic I'm interested in.

Holy crap -- I agree with Lemonsong!!!! Not knowing who a certain rapper is (or in this case, was) is not the same as saying that a rapper is neither an artist nor a lyricist.

One statement simply means "I didn't know a particular artist's music," while the other shows a decidedly uniformed/ignorant point-of-view.

:confused:

One statement simply means "I didn't know a particular artist's music," while the other shows a decidedly uniformed/ignorant point-of-view. I'll disagree slightly. That first statement really should be "I don't listen to this genre of music." and both statements apply to the original question: "So why make a post in this thread at all?"

-Mike

I'll disagree slightly. That first statement really should be "I don't listen to this genre of music." and both statements apply to the original question: "So why make a post in this thread at all?"

-Mike

Lemon does listen rap though, just not "proof."

ahem:p

I'll disagree slightly. That first statement really should be "I don't listen to this genre of music." and both statements apply to the original question: "So why make a post in this thread at all?"

-Mike
Wait, what? Which "first statement" did you mean here? I *do* listen to hip-hop and I have certainly listened to Eminem and D12...D12 is a larger group of guys, and I really don't know any of them by name...the style of hip-hop I listen to doesn't lean on the rap end but rather leans on the more semi-underground stuff like Atmosphere, Brother Ali, Talib Kweli, Common, etc. etc. etc.

If someone made a post about Country music, would it be acceptable for me make a post simply to scoff at the musical style just because I don't happen to listen to too much country?

MarkY didn't post in this thread to add anything to the conversation beyond: "Rappers aren't lyricists" If thats what he thinks, thats cool..he's wrong, but thats cool..make a seperate post entitled "I hate rap" if you want to..but this thread isn't the right place for those kind of comments.

MarkY see what you have done. I say you can say anything you want MarkY. Everyone of us is guilty of posting nonpertinant things and dragging threads down into the crapper and off topic so we cant chastise MarkY for doing it.

And its a known fact that country sucks. Its not open to debate people. Rap however does not unless you take the whole rap culture thing too far. Than you suck. Saying that it means I once did suck but not anymore. Audioslave however rocks.

Time for another disclaimer. My opinions also suck and what I have posted in here in opinion. I make to claim to them being fact I do do not want them to be interpret as such.

MarkY see what you have done. I say you can say anything you want MarkY. Everyone of us is guilty of posting nonpertinant things and dragging threads down into the crapper and off topic so we cant chastise MarkY for doing it.

Absolutely correct. Although his comment was absolutely retarded, he has the right to be wrong.

And its a known fact that country sucks. Its not open to debate people. Rap however does not unless you take the whole rap culture thing too far. Than you suck. Saying that it means I once did suck but not anymore. Audioslave however rocks.

2 words - Rascal Flatts. Otherwise, country sucks.

Time for another disclaimer. My opinions also suck and what I have posted in here in opinion. I make to claim to them being fact I do do not want them to be interpret as such.

Indeed they do. Keep up the good work. :tucool:

Absolutely correct. Although his comment was absolutely retarded, he has the right to be wrong.

And just how was my comment "retarded"? You might not agree with it, but it doesn't make it "retarded". Maybe I should have prefenced my comment with "in my opinion", however, most comments on these boards are opinions.

I've yet to hear one rap "artist" who I would call a lyrist. That is just MY OPINION. No need to for anyone to take it personal.

MarkY didn't post in this thread to add anything to the conversation beyond: "Rappers aren't lyricists" If thats what he thinks, thats cool..he's wrong, but thats cool..make a seperate post entitled "I hate rap" if you want to..but this thread isn't the right place for those kind of comments. My apologies. I didn't realize your first post saying you listen to mostly hip hop and never heard of this guy added so much to the conversation. :D But hey, whatever. I don't really care.

And besides... I like some country except for songs that uses the words tractor, honky-tonk, etc.

I've yet to hear one rap "artist" who I would call a lyrist. That is just MY OPINION. No need to for anyone to take it personal. What, in your opinion, is a lyrist then? Someone who writes only good songs?

It doesn't really matter how they sing, or how bad the song is, if they write the song, they're a lyricst. That includes rap music, no matter how much you dislike it.

-Mike

And just how was my comment "retarded"? You might not agree with it, but it doesn't make it "retarded". Maybe I should have prefenced my comment with "in my opinion", however, most comments on these boards are opinions.

I've yet to hear one rap "artist" who I would call a lyrist. That is just MY OPINION. No need to for anyone to take it personal.

It was "retarded", in my opinion, because so many rappers are incredible lyrists, despite your disagreement. Either way, I was just messing around. I know it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Sorry you took it the wrong way.

What, in your opinion, is a lyrist then? Someone who writes only good songs?

It doesn't really matter how they sing, or how bad the song is, if they write the song, they're a lyricst. That includes rap music, no matter how much you dislike it.

-Mike

Using your logic, I must be an author since I write in this forum. Or must I write a book to be an author? I suppose you're technically correct, someone who writes songs is a lyrist. Good or bad.

So if people think Proof was a great lyrist, that's fine by me. Whether I agree or not is irrelevent.

Using your logic, I must be an author since I write in this forum. Or must I write a book to be an author? I suppose you're technically correct, someone who writes songs is a lyrist. Good or bad. If you write a book/poem/article/message/etc, you're an author of that work. If you write a song, you're a lyricst. I don't understand how that logic is wrong. I really was curious though, but you didn't answer, what is a lyrist in your opinion?

-Mike

what is a lyrist in your opinion?

-Mike
someone that doesnt mumble all their lyrics.
i mean, ya, it sucks when people die... but i didnt think he was that great.
sure, he could rap fast, but i couldnt make out what he was saying half the time, so i never really got into his music.

bizzare(sp) cracks me up tho.

By definition a lyrist or a lyricist is a person who writes songs. Is the definition eschewed with rap and hip hop fans? I dont know.

By definition a lyrist or a lyricist is a person who writes songs. Is the definition eschewed with rap and hip hop fans? I dont know.
whats the difference between hiphop and rap again?
should there even be a difference?

whats the difference between hiphop and rap again?
should there even be a difference?Hip Hop is music, with rap you just get shot.

:D

EDIT: I always thought there was a difference, but I don't know now...

-Mike

whats the difference between hiphop and rap again?
should there even be a difference?

There are seperate genres. At least windows media player categorizes them that way. Who are we to argue with microsoft.

I always though Hip Hop to be more main stream but 50 is mainstream so my definition does not work.

There are seperate genres. At least windows media player categorizes them that way. Who are we to argue with microsoft.

I always though Hip Hop to be more main stream but 50 is mainstream so my definition does not work. Even the definition of hip hop on Definition.com says: 2. Rap music

-Mike

There are seperate genres. At least windows media player categorizes them that way. Who are we to argue with microsoft.

Careful, depending on what browser you are using, HE may be watching!

whats the difference between hiphop and rap again?
should there even be a difference?
I think at times the lines here are blurred, however hip-hop generally refers to a wider culture that includes rap, but not vice versa. Hip-hop consists of four elements: graffiti writing, djing, mcing, and break dancing (and occasionaly beatboxing will be considered the "fifth element").
In my opinion, rap is the type of music that you hear in the clubs. It is the danceable style of mcing/djing that is meant for parties...this includes 50Cent, DMX, 3-6Mafia, etc. I think that saying that rap and hip-hop are different "genres" is misleading, because in my opinion hip-hop isn't as strictly a genre as rap is...hip-hop b-boys often focus on more creative topics (often with social messages) and in many cases the audience/scene is the biggest distinguishing mark. While a b-boy would most likely play in a smaller venue (often all-ages clubs) that might include some of the other elements, a rapper is much more likely to play larger stadium-style concerts.

I think at times the lines here are blurred, however hip-hop generally refers to a wider culture that includes rap, but not vice versa. Hip-hop consists of four elements: graffiti writing, djing, mcing, and break dancing (and occasionaly beatboxing will be considered the "fifth element").
In my opinion, rap is the type of music that you hear in the clubs. It is the danceable style of mcing/djing that is meant for parties...this includes 50Cent, DMX, 3-6Mafia, etc. I think that saying that rap and hip-hop are different "genres" is misleading, because in my opinion hip-hop isn't as strictly a genre as rap is...hip-hop b-boys often focus on more creative topics (often with social messages) and in many cases the audience/scene is the biggest distinguishing mark. While a b-boy would most likely play in a smaller venue (often all-ages clubs) that might include some of the other elements, a rapper is much more likely to play larger stadium-style concerts.

Is this what they taught you in school? By your definition hip hop died before 1991. Lemon you take things very seriously as your answers usualy show.

Hip hop makes me want to dance. Example, the songs that get radio time by 50. Rap makes me want to punch you in the face. Example, Mobb Deep. wh0 is right as usual. There probably shouldnt be different genre as its all rap(like Lemon said) and it continually evolves.

Right now im listening to The Killers, Midnight Show.

I think at times the lines here are blurred, however hip-hop generally refers to a wider culture that includes rap, but not vice versa. Hip-hop consists of four elements: graffiti writing, djing, mcing, and break dancing (and occasionaly beatboxing will be considered the "fifth element").
In my opinion, rap is the type of music that you hear in the clubs. It is the danceable style of mcing/djing that is meant for parties...this includes 50Cent, DMX, 3-6Mafia, etc. I think that saying that rap and hip-hop are different "genres" is misleading, because in my opinion hip-hop isn't as strictly a genre as rap is...hip-hop b-boys often focus on more creative topics (often with social messages) and in many cases the audience/scene is the biggest distinguishing mark. While a b-boy would most likely play in a smaller venue (often all-ages clubs) that might include some of the other elements, a rapper is much more likely to play larger stadium-style concerts.

Cool Lemon!

To tell you the truth, I've never really thought about it... I'm sure MTV or VH1 could put a clearer definition on it. :)
I probably would have thought that Hip-Hop would be the genre of music that is associated with the style and culture. Rap is merely the delivery of the words - more of a poetic, spoken word format. Rap would be prodominently in Hip-Hop, but not remain exclusively to it. Linkin Park, for example, contains a rap delivery in some of their many cool songs but they are not considered rap. Well that's just my take on it... :D

Anyone seen the commercial with the three white guys in cars listening to rap music. They are driving along rapping like tough guys until the boss calls then they get very proper. Well thats us.

Anyone seen the commercial with the three white guys in cars listening to rap music. They are driving along rapping like tough guys until the boss calls then they get very proper. Well thats us.

:lol:

What was the commercial for?

Is this what they taught you in school? By your definition hip hop died before 1991. Lemon you take things very seriously as your answers usualy show.

Talib Kweli, Guru, Common, Hi-Tek, Rahzel, Devin the Dude, Jean Gray, The Roots, Black Eyed-Peas, Cunninlinguists, Atmosphere, Soul Position, MF Doom...none of these are rap to me, are they to you? All are around currently...

You can say I take things very seriously, but the question was posed as to what the difference was and as an avid hip-hop fan I felt this post could use a good definition.

Anyone seen the commercial with the three white guys in cars listening to rap music. They are driving along rapping like tough guys until the boss calls then they get very proper. Well thats us.
Yah I saw that! Kinda like in Office Space, lol!

Talib Kweli, Guru, Common, Hi-Tek, Rahzel, Devin the Dude, Jean Gray, The Roots, Black Eyed-Peas, Cunninlinguists, Atmosphere, Soul Position, MF Doom...none of these are rap to me, are they to you? All are around currently...

Nope none are rap. As far as I know none other than the black eyed peas(mid nineties and pop) sell many records either. I dont even know who these people are. Other than The Roots and Guru but that is when he was with Gang Starr. This is not hip hop either. These are more of a fusion. Maybe its the whole East Coast rap vs. Indiana rap thing.

...and Guru but that is when he was with Gang Starr...

Ah! Gang Starr... Now THAT's something I hadn't heard in a LONG time... Just to Get a Rep, Who's Gonna Take the Weight... :tucool:

EDIT: Forgot about DWYCK Gang Starr feat. Nice & Smooth...

Nope none are rap. As far as I know none other than the black eyed peas(mid nineties and pop) sell many records either. I dont even know who these people are. Other than The Roots and Guru but that is when he was with Gang Starr. This is not hip hop either. These are more of a fusion. Maybe its the whole East Coast rap vs. Indiana rap thing.
No, none of those are rap. Tht was the point. They are hiphop that isn't circa-1991, by my definition.

I don't really think there is Indiana rap unfortunately, but Minnisota rap is by far my favorite!

You can say I take things very seriously

Why would we have to say it when you scream it from the rooftops in every post!???

:p

Anywho: I always associated hip hop as a lifestyle and rap as the lyrical music that came out of that lifestyle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop_culture

Nope none are rap. As far as I know none other than the black eyed peas(mid nineties and pop) sell many records either. I dont even know who these people are. Other than The Roots and Guru but that is when he was with Gang Starr. This is not hip hop either. These are more of a fusion.

:blank:

And of course, Hi-tek, Talib Kwali, Common and Guru, The Roots, etc. are 'rappers' and their music is 'rap.' Whether you and your buddies (or badgolfer or anyone else) chose to sub-define their style as "socially conscious" or crossover, or hip-soft or any other terms I've personally heard used, doesn't (IMO) matter.

Too bad there aren't many people of color on this board to chime in with their opinion on hip hop (that is if they even like hip hop). I'd be interested to hear and learn something:blank:

:nono: Careful!

I don't think you'd necessarily need to be a "person of color" as much as an avid aficionado...

i started hating Talib Kwali as soon as i heard him rapping on the radio and it turned out to be a commercial for the toyota matrix.
anyone else hear that commercial?

Too bad there aren't many people of color on this board to chime in with their opinion on hip hop (that is if they even like hip hop). I'd be interested to hear and learn something:blank:

:lol: ...:blank:

i started hating Talib Kwali as soon as i heard him rapping on the radio and it turned out to be a commercial for the toyota matrix.
anyone else hear that commercial?
Are you sure it wasn't Common? I've seen Common on TV commercials for some Lincoln car I think?

:nono: Careful!

I don't think you'd necessarily need to be a "person of color" as much as an avid aficionado...

Painting with a broad brush:

If I wanted to find out about NASCAR I'd ask someone from the south
If I wanted to find out about Sumo Wrestling I'd ask a Japanese person
If I wanted to find out about Horse Racing I'd ask a jockey
If I wanted to find out about what it was like to be a slut I'd ask Paris Hilton.
If I wanted to find out about Scotch, I'd ask a Scotsman
If I wanted to learn how to publish a porn magazine I'd ask Larry Flynt.
If I wanted to find out about Guinness I'd ask an Irish man


mostly!

:D

Painting with a broad brush:

If I wanted to find out about NASCAR I'd ask someone from the south
If I wanted to find out about Sumo Wrestling I'd ask a Japanese person
If I wanted to find out about Horse Racing I'd ask a jockey
If I wanted to find out about what it was like to be a slut I'd ask Paris Hilton.
If I wanted to find out about Scotch, I'd ask a Scotsman
If I wanted to learn how to publish a porn magazine I'd ask Larry Flynt.
If I wanted to find out about Guinness I'd ask an Irish man


mostly!

:D

:lol:

What if you wanted to find out about a Kahlua Black Russian?

Right we wouldnt ask this guy about playing the drums because he is black. Only white people plays drums. Isnt that correct Coachese. Maybe not the best example but I make my point.

http://www.mulhollandrecordsandmusic.com/ev_timadams.jpg

Here take that broad brush Coach and paint yourself into a corner. :D

:lol:

What if you wanted to find out about a Kahlua Black Russian?

Good question.

Right we wouldnt ask this guy about playing the drums because he is black. Only white people plays drums. Isnt that correct Coachese. Maybe not the best example but I make my point.

http://www.mulhollandrecordsandmusic.com/ev_timadams.jpg

Here take that broad brush Coach and paint yourself into a corner. :D

Please use YOUR brush to make YOU OWN points. I do not believe I brought up drumming. Or trumpet playing. Or skipping. Or holding my breath underwater.

BTW -- he can't clearly can't drum -- he wears glasses.

don't hate

Rascal Flatts has a very high level of talent! Same with Little Big Town, this past weekend I heard them perform the best national anthem I'd ever heard. Ever.


2 words - Rascal Flatts. Otherwise, country sucks.

Country is all right I just get sick of it if I listen to it too much. Good country is Kenny Chesney. Chamillionaire:tucool: and Paul Wall are what its all about. Hip Hop and Rap are very violent, profane, music which bothers me sometimes but I listen to it anyway.

As a fan of hip hop I've never heard of Proof either.

:nono: Careful!

I don't think you'd necessarily need to be a "person of color" as much as an avid aficionado...


You are absolutely right L.S.

I consider myself a fan of Hip Hop and I have never heard of this Proof guy.

Talib Kweli, Guru, Common, Hi-Tek, Rahzel, Devin the Dude, Jean Gray, The Roots, Black Eyed-Peas, Cunninlinguists, Atmosphere, Soul Position, MF Doom...none of these are rap to me, are they to you? All are around currently...

You can say I take things very seriously, but the question was posed as to what the difference was and as an avid hip-hop fan I felt this post could use a good definition.
None of those are to rap to me either. That's current hip-hop and cross-over stuff as far as I'm concerned.

What's funny is that I know who these guys are and I don't listen to ANY rap or hip-hop. My brother, on the other hand, breathes it.

None of those are to rap to me either. That's current hip-hop and cross-over stuff as far as I'm concerned.

What's funny is that I know who these guys are and I don't listen to ANY rap or hip-hop. My brother, on the other hand, breathes it.
Everyone missed sight of the fact that i was pointing to those people as current hip-hop rather than rap such as 50Cent or Chingy...

Everyone missed sight of the fact that i was pointing to those people as current hip-hop rather than rap such as 50Cent or Chingy...

I got it Lemon. I just dont really agree with your definition of hip hop anymore is all.

wait... did someone say Chingy?
time to close this thread.

wait... did someone say Chingy?
time to close this thread.

Chingy????? What happened to him anyway. I think he grabbed the cash and ran with it.

Chingy????? What happened to him anyway. I think he grabbed the cash and ran with it.
three major events happened to destroy his career:

a) anounced that he never needed ludakris to get where he is, so now everyone hates him.
b) tried to pick up a shemale at a public award show
c) his name is chingy