Why is it that everything we do to get in shape is actually counter productive to getting laid? First all the protein makes you fart ten times a day, then this :o

I guess the poor guy couldn't handle all that vasoconstriction. Does it get better if you take it regularly?

K I'm done venting.

Why is it that everything we do to get in shape is actually counter productive to getting laid? First all the protein makes you fart ten times a day, then this :o

I guess the poor guy couldn't handle all that vasoconstriction. Does it get better if you take it regularly?

K I'm done venting.

Now, what? What did I miss?

Why is it that everything we do to get in shape is actually counter productive to getting laid? First all the protein makes you fart ten times a day, then this :o

I guess the poor guy couldn't handle all that vasoconstriction. Does it get better if you take it regularly?

K I'm done venting.
Thats a well-known side effect of stimulants. I dont know if it effects everyone like that, however.

Do you really need ECA? Probably not.

I don't know why so many people buy supplements thinking it's going to make their progress that much faster. This is a life long journey you've committed yourself to, you don't need to be taking crap supplements thinking they're going to speed the process up. Learn to eat before you supplement. Even then I would never use any supplements other than protein, glutamine, creatine, multivitamins, and EFA's.

Believe me I've spent about a billion hours reading about practical nutrition so I know how to eat. Having the will power to actually do it is another story. E/C takes most of the pleasure out of eating and allows me use food purely as fuel. It's good for times when will power is lacking.

Believe me I've spent about a billion hours reading about practical nutrition so I know how to eat. Having the will power to actually do it is another story. E/C takes most of the pleasure out of eating and allows me use food purely as fuel. It's good for times when will power is lacking.So instead you take something that's giving you erectile dysfunction? Christ, man, listen to yourself! I agree 100% with the post above yours. You do not have a fatal illness or problem you're dealing with, so the only reason you're taking the ECA stack is to trim a few pounds extra off for vanity reasons and you think it's ok to undergo side effects like you've noticed? You know, you have to live with that body of yours for the rest of your life. When you get older you may really regret having done damage to it in earlier years, whether it's a busted liver from too much booze or a fugged up heart from sucking down ECA until the cows come home.

You need to master the will power issue you have because anything else is just a patch. To truly succeed in this game, you need to prove to yourself that you can do it supplement-free. That's why they're called supplements and not foundations. If you believe you lack the will power to lose weight successfully without ECA, all the ECA is doing is disguising the problem and giving a false sense of success.

I use E/C, but started after about 10 weeks of regular old dietary maintenence. Never had a problem with ED - ever, I don't fart because of the protein shakes I drink.....

Also, you might want to cycle the stuff. I do two weeks on, one week off, and every time I start back on it I instantly lose about 2 pounds. You body does build up a resistance to it.

But also, it does completely take the fun out of eating, which for me is a good thing because if I get the samew enjoyment out of a chicken breast, green beans, and broccoli that I get out of pizza it makes it that much easier. Even on my cheat days I dont really go overboard (maybe I'll have shrimp with butter or something). Either way, the effects of EC have been very positive with minimal side effects.

Train your willpower. Like anything else in diet and exercise, it needs working on too. I'd sooner have my member as a functional unit and keep my diet in check.

Why is it that everything we do to get in shape is actually counter productive to getting laid? First all the protein makes you fart ten times a day, then this :o

Ha, that's nothing - just wait till you see the effect "dextrose complexion" has on the ladies ;-)

I've had much success using an EC stack (many people drop the aspirin since its effects within the stack are small and there are some potential complications).

You MUST cycle it, although you'll get differing views as to how long it should be cycled. I've heard some say not to stay on it longer than a month at a time, some say as long as 8 weeks is perfectly ok. I generally do a month on and then a month off.

It does effect sexual function, but then again so does being on a strict low-calorie diet as well.

You don't NEED EC, but it's helpful. If you don't like the side effects, there are other stim-free fat-burning products available that work great. Sesamin is a great option. It's a lignan found in sesame oil that boosts fat oxidation. Scivation, Avant Labs, and a couple of other companies sell it. Works very well stacked with fish oil and maybe some CLA if it's within your budget. Designer Supplements' Melting Point is also quite good. I'm in the midst of a cycle right now. As with Sesamin, Melting Point directly boosts fat oxidation, although the mechanism is different with MP (they actually stack well together). LipidFX from Scivation is a somewhat weaker version of MP with an appetite suppressant included, so that's a good option if controlling cravings is a concern to you.

Anyways, my point is that you have options as far as cutting supplements go, so pick what you want (or don't) with side effects you can live with.:tu:

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You don't NEED EC, but it's helpful. If you don't like the side effects, there are other stim-free fat-burning products available that work great. Sesamin is a great option. It's a lignan found in sesame oil that boosts fat oxidation. Scivation, Avant Labs, and a couple of other companies sell it. Works very well stacked with fish oil and maybe some CLA if it's within your budget. Designer Supplements' Melting Point is also quite good. I'm in the midst of a cycle right now. As with Sesamin, Melting Point directly boosts fat oxidation, although the mechanism is different with MP (they actually stack well together). LipidFX from Scivation is a somewhat weaker version of MP with an appetite suppressant included, so that's a good option if controlling cravings is a concern to you.
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Thanks for the advice. I'm going with EC mainly for the price. Also, I get horrible indigestion from anything more than 1-2 g of fish oil a day, so I can't imagine what sesamin would do to me. They are both EFAs, right?

Ha, that's nothing - just wait till you see the effect "dextrose complexion" has on the ladies ;-)

What is dextrose complexion????:read:

regarding the cycling of ECA:

"One of the most common questions I see on the world wide web's new bodybuilding population involves the ECA stack and fat burning. Most likely through printed magazines or mass market bodybuilding sites aimed at beginner bodybuilders like Musclemag.com or Elite Fitness (two sites I now avoid completely) I find the theories of cycling ECA with some odd "cycling patterns". Some bodybuilders favor a two day on, two day off cycle; others say that receptor downgrade occurs after 2 weeks; and still other's quote longer times of 2 months. Well they're all wrong. Yes the notion that you have to cycle ECA or it's fat burning effects will dwindle to nothing are simply not true."

http://www.ironmag.com/archive/ironmag/2001_gw_insider08_eca_cycling.htm

What is dextrose complexion????:read:

Some people claim that large doses of dextrose trigger acne.